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A Solemn CALL & WARNING to all Followers of Jesus Christ. We have very little time!

 
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You are promoting Lawlessness.

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work Lawlessness" Matt 7:21

This is the spirit of the Dragon/"Antichrist", he will HATE those that keep the commandments.

"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Rev 12:17
 Quoting: Tribe of Judah


No I'm not.
 Quoting: 1COR15:22


Yes you are. "Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? GOD FORBID."

Jesus came to save you from sin. If you choose to continue to transgress the principle's of God's kingdom, you are living lawlessness and you are trampling upon everything Jesus Christ sacrificed and did.

If you were a foreigner wanting to come a new country because you have learned great things about and fallen in love with the King of this nation, and knew that living in this new land would give you a better life, and the King of this government asked you personally, "Will you abide by the laws of morality which we have established in this kingdom, which will ensure your happiness?", if you say "No, I will not!", will this King allow you to enter into His kingdom? Of course He won't. And your denial of His request only proves that you never loved the King.

It is the exact same thing with JEHOVAH, the Creator of this Universe. Jesus gives you the ability to enter this new land through His blood and His grace. If you are professing to love the King, the Father, and Jesus, but desire to live according to your own laws, based on what YOU think is right, you are proving that you have never loved the King.

 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness


Do you choose to continue to trangress the law?
 Quoting: 1COR15:22


"Do you choose to look at only a few passages of Scripture rather than take everything God has said into consideration?"
The Truth About Thread: The FINAL EVENTS Of Bible Prophecy

"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." - Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

"While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's Word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light" (The Great Controversy, p. 527).

"Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain it, and that very fact shows that it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated." - Charles Spurgeon

"Jesuit Adam Weishaupt established the modern version of the Illuminati specifically to be a front organization behind which the Jesuits could hide. After being formally abolished by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, the Jesuits used the Illuminati and other organizations to carry out their operations. Thus, the front organizations would be blamed for the trouble caused by the Jesuits."
Bill Hughes (Author of The Secret Terrorists and The Enemy Unmasked)
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No I'm not.
 Quoting: 1COR15:22


Yes you are. "Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? GOD FORBID."

Jesus came to save you from sin. If you choose to continue to transgress the principle's of God's kingdom, you are living lawlessness and you are trampling upon everything Jesus Christ sacrificed and did.

If you were a foreigner wanting to come a new country because you have learned great things about and fallen in love with the King of this nation, and knew that living in this new land would give you a better life, and the King of this government asked you personally, "Will you abide by the laws of morality which we have established in this kingdom, which will ensure your happiness?", if you say "No, I will not!", will this King allow you to enter into His kingdom? Of course He won't. And your denial of His request only proves that you never loved the King.

It is the exact same thing with JEHOVAH, the Creator of this Universe. Jesus gives you the ability to enter this new land through His blood and His grace. If you are professing to love the King, the Father, and Jesus, but desire to live according to your own laws, based on what YOU think is right, you are proving that you have never loved the King.

 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness


Do you choose to continue to trangress the law?
 Quoting: 1COR15:22


"Do you choose to look at only a few passages of Scripture rather than take everything God has said into consideration?"
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Do you?
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repent = turn and believe ! john 3:16
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This reminds me of the many "tent revival" services I went to as a child that made me cry and become hysterical.

The very thought that I was already unworthy as a little child condemned me to a live time of feeling unworthy.

Even as a child I felt unworthy and as a pure innocent child

what chance in hell did I have to be saved?

Conscience and guilt are very powerful things not to be taken lightly.

I have always felt unworthy. Now will GOD save me?....as I have loved HIM and sought HIM all my life to cleanse my garment and make ready to see HIM coming in the clouds.

Church and tent revivals can really screw up your mind.

Will I ever be worthy?

Is there NOTHING I CAN DO TO BE CLEANER/////////PURER AND READY FOR THE LORD?
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u use religion to parade your sorry filthy ass , as if it were clean and righteous , u want to do gods work? get ur ass in the streets and help them without a home without food without clothes with out hope PERIOD until then you have done service only for your own ego in your little fucking circle jerk
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No one knows who you are making reference to? If you wipe off everything that was said prior and only assert your own thoughts, you are yelling into thin air? No offence, but your post is not directed towards anyone?
Come And Take It!
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This reminds me of the many "tent revival" services I went to as a child that made me cry and become hysterical.

The very thought that I was already unworthy as a little child condemned me to a live time of feeling unworthy.

Even as a child I felt unworthy and as a pure innocent child

what chance in hell did I have to be saved?

Conscience and guilt are very powerful things not to be taken lightly.

I have always felt unworthy. Now will GOD save me?....as I have loved HIM and sought HIM all my life to cleanse my garment and make ready to see HIM coming in the clouds.

Church and tent revivals can really screw up your mind.

Will I ever be worthy?

Is there NOTHING I CAN DO TO BE CLEANER/////////PURER AND READY FOR THE LORD?
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None of us are worthy! Lest anyman should boast. It is only through the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross that any of us will be deemed worthy. He took our punishment so we could receive forgiveness through His Grace and Mercy.
Come And Take It!
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Amen.
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Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;


Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

2Co 1:21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
2Co 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
 Quoting: 1COR15:22


Here, read this below, and prove me wrong. :)
(most people with this kind of gospel will only quote paul, because all the other authors, ESPECIALLY the Messiah, have a very different message than paul. James was the closest message to the Messiah's, quote his book more)

And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present. he saluted them and declared what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry. And when they heard, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of jewish people there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the jewish people which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise [their] children, neither to walk after the customs.
What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.

Acts 21:18-22

Here the LEADER JAMES of the Apostles (hint hint) was questioning if Paul was teaching against the Law. IF Paul WAS, why didn't he come out and rebuke them for following it? He does not refute them, but shows to all that he is following the Law by the act they ask him to fulfill.

SO Paul was either a coward teaching others to break the Law and saying he wasn't to the others, OR he wasn't teaching others to break the Law and WE misunderstood him.
 Quoting: Tribe of Judah


I won't say one way or another, but if the Messiah says The Law will never go away, I for one believe HIM, not Paul or my old pastors interpretation of him...
 Quoting: Tribe of Judah

 Quoting: Tribe of Judah


Shema Yisra'EL Yahuwah Eloheynu Yahuwah Echad

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith YHWH, I will put My Torah in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their ELOHIYM, and they shall be My people.

Do we then make void the Torah through faith? Let it never be, we Uphold the Torah.

YHWH is well pleased for His Righteousness' sake; He will magnify the Torah, and make it Honourable

Thy Righteousness is an Everlasting Righteousness, and Thy Torah is the Truth.

They that forsake the Torah praise the wicked: but such as keep the Torah contend with them.

As also in all (Paul's) epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable twist, as also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Think not that I am come to destroy the Torah, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to Pleroo.

Pleroo = cause to flourish, Abound, Fill to the Full

To the Torah and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Romans 3:31 Jeremiah 31:33/Hebrews 8:10 Isaiah 42:21 Psalms 119:142 Proverbs 28:4 2Pe 3:16 Isaiah 8:20
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u use religion to parade your sorry filthy ass , as if it were clean and righteous , u want to do gods work? get ur ass in the streets and help them without a home without food without clothes with out hope PERIOD until then you have done service only for your own ego in your little fucking circle jerk..

thats the way to the light you will never see your parade is of fools your ways mock-full how dare you tell people who shall be saved and who shall not ? you control nothing you have no understanding of the very book you say you read for years and years

if Jesus was around now he would be discussed
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Simple test to see if you are In-Christ.

If you are a child of God......you will develop a very great love for Christ. This will just happen.....without effort.....as you are now connected with God.....having the Holy Spirit within you.


Do you love Christ more than your father, mother, son, or daughter? Is He your First Love?



Jesus: "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me." (Mt 19: 37)
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It is nice to see the righteous still exist.
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No one knows who you are making reference to? If you wipe off everything that was said prior and only assert your own thoughts, you are yelling into thin air? No offence, but your post is not directed towards anyone?

DIRECTED ? ARE NOT ALL POST HERE UNDER THE TITLE OF THE THREAD ?
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This reminds me of the many "tent revival" services I went to as a child that made me cry and become hysterical.

The very thought that I was already unworthy as a little child condemned me to a live time of feeling unworthy.

Even as a child I felt unworthy and as a pure innocent child

what chance in hell did I have to be saved?

Conscience and guilt are very powerful things not to be taken lightly.

I have always felt unworthy. Now will GOD save me?....as I have loved HIM and sought HIM all my life to cleanse my garment and make ready to see HIM coming in the clouds.

Church and tent revivals can really screw up your mind.

Will I ever be worthy?

Is there NOTHING I CAN DO TO BE CLEANER/////////PURER AND READY FOR THE LORD?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1541144


None of us are worthy! Lest anyman should boast. It is only through the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross that any of us will be deemed worthy. He took our punishment so we could receive forgiveness through His Grace and Mercy.
 Quoting: saved


Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Jesus is the word
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Jesus is immortal, and he just took off.

Why leave? Just come back after to prove you are immortal, and everyone will believe, and that's the end of it.

Instead, there is all this perpetual turmoil, and personal suffering of trying to believe.

That's a pretty demented way to treat your creation.

Seriously. What a sick creator!

Cruel, and demented when it's not even necessary.

Can you not see this glaring reality screaming in your face?
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u use religion to parade your sorry filthy ass , as if it were clean and righteous , u want to do gods work? get ur ass in the streets and help them without a home without food without clothes with out hope PERIOD until then you have done service only for your own ego in your little fucking circle jerk..

thats the way to the light you will never see your parade is of fools your ways mock-full how dare you tell people who shall be saved and who shall not ? you control nothing you have no understanding of the very book you say you read for years and years

if Jesus was around now he would be discussed
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Jesus is around and he visits all of us, even you. The spirit of Jesus and God both visit people on a regular basis but you don't hear his voice because you don't have the right pathways in your mind. How sorry we are that you are closed off to God.

By the way, we christians don't sit in judgement of our fellow man, God does. This year the Kingdom of God will start and spread. The white horse rides. Everyone will have the chance to be saved but they need to repent and seek God.

Did you listen to this?

In the chosen, God finds love.
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I'll give you an honest opinion, about your post.

I think the surrendered life is real.

I also think the religion of Christianity we see today is a polluted mixture of two seeds. There is only "ONE" real church. Its is spiritual, and it is "THE ECKLESIA"...

First off let me say, I love the scriptures, I think they are from God, and are truth, this truth, is revealed by the author, and the author is to be known. The truth is within the text, explained by the same one who wrote it, if we interpret it; we end up with a private interpretation. The author is greater than the book, yet that doesn't diminish the book, or the truth that it contains.

Today many know the bible, but have never had God become real to them. Most people have never had God make himself known to them even through a beautiful sunset. To most God is just history, or he is way off in space somewhere. The importance is not in experiences, but instead experiencing God. I contend, you have to experienced God. Possibly he opens the scriptures to you, and makes them come alive; they became a "word" of God to you.

It would be like you and I having coffee everyday together, sharing life and all things included. We would age together and become deep friends. We may never have a spiritual experience, but we would definitely experience each other, as Moses experienced God at the tent, when Miriam and Aron spoke against Moses, and God spoke about how He and Moses were friends. Moses experienced God. God was experienced by everyone we read about in the OT and the NT.

You know the parable of the sower, the seeds sown by Jesus, and the seeds sown by the Devil. Those seeds manifest themselves for what they really are. These are people, could be religious, like the pharisees, who were called children of the devil by Jesus. They may be the nicest, sweetest people, but what seed are they of?

I fear that the so-called church, the large visible body that meets on the corner of every city in America is missing God. There are many within this so-called visible church (though fewer in number) that truly belong to Jesus, these are the invisible church. From my point of view, the visible church has sprung up not from experiencing God, but from its exposure to the bible "The Scriptures", but this is not necessarily so, of the invisible church "The Ecklesia".

For example most people throughout history couldn't read, we had no printing presses, and when printed most people couldn't afford the bible, this is seen during the dark ages, yet the ecklesia thrived. How? It wasn't because they had a bible; it was because God was real and made himself known to them. Possibly through someone who had a bible, but probably not.

Brother Lawrence / Laubach; in his book practicing the presence; makes the claim that God became real to him, by seeing a tree losing it leaves, knowing life would again come to the tree the following year.

Here forgive me.... Let me expound more and just be open, even though we don't know each other, possibly we can glean from one another as two who see the forest from different angles?

Could it be, that True and False Christianity...Are both produced by the Bible. Everything is about contrast (light, dark, evil, and good), or it's to express God's glory, and his many attributes...God even created evil for this purposes.

The contrast in Christianity is the true church, and the false church. The invisible ecklesia -vs- the large visible body of people in every church, on every corner. The wheat, and the chaff or tare. The good seed and the bad seed. The Pharisee, and Jesus, sheep and Goats, Light and darkness.

Today is a replay of the life of Jesus in his body singular (the one that died on the cross); now this body "His Body" is plural, many membered...The same prosecutions, torments, dying, will happen in us as it did in him. Now the Pharisees are the religious of today. True Christianity and false Christianity, is so close, to the real church, the real walk, the real life...So close that it could even fool the elect, if that were possible....

So how does God establish the tare, this large so-called church. Do we see it throughout time? Yes, and it all started with two trees. The tree of life, and the tree of knowledge. We see the essence of these two trees, in many forms. One is in the visible church, and the invisible church, the wheat and tare.

The large visible church exists and is sustained by the visible, tangible, written word (The Bible). They find themselves at home with the text, they can control it, they build laws, rules, religious rituals, and doctrines. By this same knowledge they also remove God, who is Spirit, out of their midst, issues of control, a form of religion, and rules, that denies the power thereof. There is no body ministry, led of God's Spirit.

Do you think this would all be obvious, and plainly visible, or only visible to us by discernment? It had to be hidden, even from those who were in the midst of it, or else they would not have participated. Both sides, real and false are hidden, even from themselves. If not hidden, you couldn't get anyone to participate in this plan of God.

I'm not against these people; most are genuine, nice, sweet people. But we are discussing truth here. Now God is revealing these things to us, and getting ready to reveal us to each other, to reveal the true church to herself, to reveal the false church to the true.

While most of the members of both groups are wonderful people and well intentioned, the visible false church, is still like the Pharisees of old. They search the scriptures daily, but won't come to Christ, that they might have life. In fact they were never destined to life, this is what the scriptures say, the body / the ecklesia / the invisible church has life, they were destined to life, from the beginning.

The true body, the ecklesia exist by "the word", they know a hidden walk, they know the masters voice. This has got to be the common denominator throughout time, since many could not read, and the few that could read, didn't have a copy of the bible. Yet the Ecklesia flourished, even in the dark ages, and in countries that never allowed sacred texts, like China, and Russia...

Today both flourish, and this thing called church, or churchianity, has said to all, we represent God. But they do not, and God is getting ready to show this world, his true church, the ecklesia....God's mercy, and the world demand such an event, to rid God, of the stain of falsehood. Whether that be TV preachers, or even all the pain caused to so many in the name of God by so-called Christianity, which was NOT Christianity, but instead, it was this false church the large, visible church, this system.

God is separating HIS people "The Ecclesia from this thing called church, "churchianity". He is building his kingdom, it is on the inside. That is what Jesus says.

There is no way for light and darkness to fellowship together and there is NO way all those people in all these churches are truly born again via an encounter with Christ. That encounter must take place...We must experience God.

So there is no way they can fellowship with you, or you with them, if you are part of that invisible "REAL" church, for what fellowship does light have with darkness. You might as well go to a Safeway store and try and "do church" with all the people there, it will not work.

Remember Jesus says "my sheep hear my voice", and man shall not live by bread alone, the word of the Lord came unto, peter rise and eat, ETC. You see what I mean? "The word of the Lord" via "The scriptures" can become a fresh word to you, but, we can not use the terms "The word" and "the bible" interchangeably.

The point I'm making is, there is a lot written in the bible about hearing, hardly anything about reading. Everything written in the bible was spoken before it was written. Genesis was spoken, and then written by Moses.

We must come to a common denominator, for people to receive Christ, to hear the message, or to experience Christianity, and it cannot be the bible, even though God has used the scriptures to do so on occasion. Still I love the scriptures, and they are true, they are God inspired. They have just been elevated to a position by this false church, where they have taken the place of God.

Also to express my point, do this: Every place in the scriptures where it says, "the word" or "the word came unto" replace every instance with "The bible"....It just will not make sense...

As far as people hearing "The word" vs studying "The scriptures" I see a big difference between the two. One is heard, one is read. Many can read, few can hear. One is always spoken, and one is written, but can be made alive to you, and become a spoken word. God also speaks apart from the scriptures, remember God spoke to Adam and Moses before there was a written bible.

Thus we have interchanged the two, elevating "The bible" above God, and the leading of the Spirit, and we have placed the bible above "The Word"...

I wonder, could we say that we love the scriptures, and that they are inspired, but God never meant for us to live by them, nor the Jewish people the Torah. But instead by the Spirit / the word / His breath...His words of promise, leading us into all truth?

We have two types of church. Those led by the Spirit, and those seeing and leaning only on "The book". I love the scriptures, and I have several bibles. BUT we must not elevate the bible above God, and I'm afraid that is what many churches (people) have done.

The "Word" and "The bible" are not one and the same...The common denominator throughout time Has been God reaching out to man, possibly by a sunset, or a person who was "LED" of the spirit to witnesses to you, or God speaks to you, but God has not, at all times used the bible. Of course there are times that the Spirit moves someone, through the use of Scripture, but that is not my point.

What do we say of the first 3000 years of man, until Moses wrote the Torah, where was God? He was doing what he has always done, personally interacting with man.

The faith we have is more than intellectual knowledge, it IS LIFE...Two trees were in the garden; today we face that same thing? "Knowledge" OR "Life"...
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I'll give you an honest opinion, about your post.

I think the surrendered life is real.

I also think the religion of Christianity we see today is a polluted mixture of two seeds. There is only "ONE" real church. Its is spiritual, and it is "THE ECKLESIA"...

First off let me say, I love the scriptures, I think they are from God, and are truth, this truth, is revealed by the author, and the author is to be known. The truth is within the text, explained by the same one who wrote it, if we interpret it; we end up with a private interpretation. The author is greater than the book, yet that doesn't diminish the book, or the truth that it contains.

Today many know the bible, but have never had God become real to them. Most people have never had God make himself known to them even through a beautiful sunset. To most God is just history, or he is way off in space somewhere. The importance is not in experiences, but instead experiencing God. I contend, you have to experienced God. Possibly he opens the scriptures to you, and makes them come alive; they became a "word" of God to you.

It would be like you and I having coffee everyday together, sharing life and all things included. We would age together and become deep friends. We may never have a spiritual experience, but we would definitely experience each other, as Moses experienced God at the tent, when Miriam and Aron spoke against Moses, and God spoke about how He and Moses were friends. Moses experienced God. God was experienced by everyone we read about in the OT and the NT.

You know the parable of the sower, the seeds sown by Jesus, and the seeds sown by the Devil. Those seeds manifest themselves for what they really are. These are people, could be religious, like the pharisees, who were called children of the devil by Jesus. They may be the nicest, sweetest people, but what seed are they of?

I fear that the so-called church, the large visible body that meets on the corner of every city in America is missing God. There are many within this so-called visible church (though fewer in number) that truly belong to Jesus, these are the invisible church. From my point of view, the visible church has sprung up not from experiencing God, but from its exposure to the bible "The Scriptures", but this is not necessarily so, of the invisible church "The Ecklesia".

For example most people throughout history couldn't read, we had no printing presses, and when printed most people couldn't afford the bible, this is seen during the dark ages, yet the ecklesia thrived. How? It wasn't because they had a bible; it was because God was real and made himself known to them. Possibly through someone who had a bible, but probably not.

Brother Lawrence / Laubach; in his book practicing the presence; makes the claim that God became real to him, by seeing a tree losing it leaves, knowing life would again come to the tree the following year.

Here forgive me.... Let me expound more and just be open, even though we don't know each other, possibly we can glean from one another as two who see the forest from different angles?

Could it be, that True and False Christianity...Are both produced by the Bible. Everything is about contrast (light, dark, evil, and good), or it's to express God's glory, and his many attributes...God even created evil for this purposes.

The contrast in Christianity is the true church, and the false church. The invisible ecklesia -vs- the large visible body of people in every church, on every corner. The wheat, and the chaff or tare. The good seed and the bad seed. The Pharisee, and Jesus, sheep and Goats, Light and darkness.

Today is a replay of the life of Jesus in his body singular (the one that died on the cross); now this body "His Body" is plural, many membered...The same prosecutions, torments, dying, will happen in us as it did in him. Now the Pharisees are the religious of today. True Christianity and false Christianity, is so close, to the real church, the real walk, the real life...So close that it could even fool the elect, if that were possible....

So how does God establish the tare, this large so-called church. Do we see it throughout time? Yes, and it all started with two trees. The tree of life, and the tree of knowledge. We see the essence of these two trees, in many forms. One is in the visible church, and the invisible church, the wheat and tare.

The large visible church exists and is sustained by the visible, tangible, written word (The Bible). They find themselves at home with the text, they can control it, they build laws, rules, religious rituals, and doctrines. By this same knowledge they also remove God, who is Spirit, out of their midst, issues of control, a form of religion, and rules, that denies the power thereof. There is no body ministry, led of God's Spirit.

Do you think this would all be obvious, and plainly visible, or only visible to us by discernment? It had to be hidden, even from those who were in the midst of it, or else they would not have participated. Both sides, real and false are hidden, even from themselves. If not hidden, you couldn't get anyone to participate in this plan of God.

I'm not against these people; most are genuine, nice, sweet people. But we are discussing truth here. Now God is revealing these things to us, and getting ready to reveal us to each other, to reveal the true church to herself, to reveal the false church to the true.

While most of the members of both groups are wonderful people and well intentioned, the visible false church, is still like the Pharisees of old. They search the scriptures daily, but won't come to Christ, that they might have life. In fact they were never destined to life, this is what the scriptures say, the body / the ecklesia / the invisible church has life, they were destined to life, from the beginning.

The true body, the ecklesia exist by "the word", they know a hidden walk, they know the masters voice. This has got to be the common denominator throughout time, since many could not read, and the few that could read, didn't have a copy of the bible. Yet the Ecklesia flourished, even in the dark ages, and in countries that never allowed sacred texts, like China, and Russia...

Today both flourish, and this thing called church, or churchianity, has said to all, we represent God. But they do not, and God is getting ready to show this world, his true church, the ecklesia....God's mercy, and the world demand such an event, to rid God, of the stain of falsehood. Whether that be TV preachers, or even all the pain caused to so many in the name of God by so-called Christianity, which was NOT Christianity, but instead, it was this false church the large, visible church, this system.

God is separating HIS people "The Ecclesia from this thing called church, "churchianity". He is building his kingdom, it is on the inside. That is what Jesus says.

There is no way for light and darkness to fellowship together and there is NO way all those people in all these churches are truly born again via an encounter with Christ. That encounter must take place...We must experience God.

So there is no way they can fellowship with you, or you with them, if you are part of that invisible "REAL" church, for what fellowship does light have with darkness. You might as well go to a Safeway store and try and "do church" with all the people there, it will not work.

Remember Jesus says "my sheep hear my voice", and man shall not live by bread alone, the word of the Lord came unto, peter rise and eat, ETC. You see what I mean? "The word of the Lord" via "The scriptures" can become a fresh word to you, but, we can not use the terms "The word" and "the bible" interchangeably.

The point I'm making is, there is a lot written in the bible about hearing, hardly anything about reading. Everything written in the bible was spoken before it was written. Genesis was spoken, and then written by Moses.

We must come to a common denominator, for people to receive Christ, to hear the message, or to experience Christianity, and it cannot be the bible, even though God has used the scriptures to do so on occasion. Still I love the scriptures, and they are true, they are God inspired. They have just been elevated to a position by this false church, where they have taken the place of God.

Also to express my point, do this: Every place in the scriptures where it says, "the word" or "the word came unto" replace every instance with "The bible"....It just will not make sense...

As far as people hearing "The word" vs studying "The scriptures" I see a big difference between the two. One is heard, one is read. Many can read, few can hear. One is always spoken, and one is written, but can be made alive to you, and become a spoken word. God also speaks apart from the scriptures, remember God spoke to Adam and Moses before there was a written bible.

Thus we have interchanged the two, elevating "The bible" above God, and the leading of the Spirit, and we have placed the bible above "The Word"...

I wonder, could we say that we love the scriptures, and that they are inspired, but God never meant for us to live by them, nor the Jewish people the Torah. But instead by the Spirit / the word / His breath...His words of promise, leading us into all truth?

We have two types of church. Those led by the Spirit, and those seeing and leaning only on "The book". I love the scriptures, and I have several bibles. BUT we must not elevate the bible above God, and I'm afraid that is what many churches (people) have done.

The "Word" and "The bible" are not one and the same...The common denominator throughout time Has been God reaching out to man, possibly by a sunset, or a person who was "LED" of the spirit to witnesses to you, or God speaks to you, but God has not, at all times used the bible. Of course there are times that the Spirit moves someone, through the use of Scripture, but that is not my point.

What do we say of the first 3000 years of man, until Moses wrote the Torah, where was God? He was doing what he has always done, personally interacting with man.

The faith we have is more than intellectual knowledge, it IS LIFE...Two trees were in the garden; today we face that same thing? "Knowledge" OR "Life"...
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Jesus is immortal, and he just took off.

Why leave? Just come back after to prove you are immortal, and everyone will believe, and that's the end of it.

Instead, there is all this perpetual turmoil, and personal suffering of trying to believe.

That's a pretty demented way to treat your creation.

Seriously. What a sick creator!

Cruel, and demented when it's not even necessary.

Can you not see this glaring reality screaming in your face?
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If loved truth more than yourself you would have read your Bible with an open heart and you would have found out WHY He had to leave, and what He is doing for us right now. What He is doing right now in heaven is the very reason your hateful self has remained alive for so long.

If you desired to know these truths, you would seek, and you would find. Though it's much easier and convenient to just scream out the hate which is in your heart, isn't it?
The Truth About Thread: The FINAL EVENTS Of Bible Prophecy

"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." - Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

"While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's Word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light" (The Great Controversy, p. 527).

"Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain it, and that very fact shows that it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated." - Charles Spurgeon

"Jesuit Adam Weishaupt established the modern version of the Illuminati specifically to be a front organization behind which the Jesuits could hide. After being formally abolished by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, the Jesuits used the Illuminati and other organizations to carry out their operations. Thus, the front organizations would be blamed for the trouble caused by the Jesuits."
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Jesus is immortal, and he just took off.

Why leave? Just come back after to prove you are immortal, and everyone will believe, and that's the end of it.

Instead, there is all this perpetual turmoil, and personal suffering of trying to believe.

That's a pretty demented way to treat your creation.

Seriously. What a sick creator!

Cruel, and demented when it's not even necessary.

Can you not see this glaring reality screaming in your face?
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There is a purpose for everything and nothing will be lost.

Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
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I would give this thread 5 stars, but how do you know the following:
Things will take place this year which will test the very heart of man.
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You speak as if you know it for fact.
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All my brothers and sisters, I plead with you to always remember this: "To the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to THIS word, if it because there is no light in them." Isaiah 8:20

Many will come to try to deceive you by false doctrines, ideas, and theories. As you see above, many are claiming that we are not to live according to what is written in the Bible. These are deceivers and false prophets, they are wolves in sheep's clothing!

The Holy Scriptures are the foundation of your faith.

Jesus Christ is the written Word.
Jesus Christ is the spoken Word.
Jesus Christ is the Word made flesh.


SOLA SCRIPTURA. The one guaranteed way to be deceived and forfeit your eternal life is to drift away from the unmovable truths of the Old and New Testament.
The Truth About Thread: The FINAL EVENTS Of Bible Prophecy

"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." - Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

"While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's Word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light" (The Great Controversy, p. 527).

"Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain it, and that very fact shows that it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated." - Charles Spurgeon

"Jesuit Adam Weishaupt established the modern version of the Illuminati specifically to be a front organization behind which the Jesuits could hide. After being formally abolished by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, the Jesuits used the Illuminati and other organizations to carry out their operations. Thus, the front organizations would be blamed for the trouble caused by the Jesuits."
Bill Hughes (Author of The Secret Terrorists and The Enemy Unmasked)
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BUT NOW THIS IS DIRECTED....

Simple test to see if you are In-Christ.

If you are a child of God......you will develop a very great love for Christ. This will just happen.....without effort.....as you are now connected with God.....having the Holy Spirit within you.


Do you love Christ more than your father, mother, son, or daughter? Is He your First Love?



Jesus: "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me." (Mt 19: 37

YOU ARE TOTALLY FALSE MY FRIEND YOU CANNOT SKIP AROUND TO FIND A PHRASE TO SATISFY WTF IS ON YOUR MIND YOU CAN SAY YOU LOVE CHRIST TILL THE DAY YOU DIE BUT YOU WILL BE TESTED KIND OF FUNNY HOW EVERYONE LOVES GOD AT THE TIME OF NEED OR WHEN EVERYTHING IS GOING GREAT ANSWER THE QUESTION .... DID GOD NOT TEST HIS OWN SON JESUS CHRIST ? WHO IS THE GUY GOD TOLD OFFER YOUR CHILD TO ME AS A SACRIFICE ? DID THESE FOLKS NOT SAY THE LOVE LOVE LOVE GOD ? WHY WOULD GOD LEAVE JESUS IN THE DESERT WITH NOTHING AND NO ONE TILL HE WAS NEAR DEATH HIS OWN SON THE FACT IS THIS YOU CANNOT TELL PEOPLE IF THEY ARE SAVED OR HOW THEY CAN BE SAVED I BELIEVE YOUR ARE OF SATAN WHEN YOU CARRY ON WITH THIS FORM OF WHAT YOU CALL SAVING TEACHING OR WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT PERHAPS A MINISTRY THE BIBLE IS MEANT TO BE READ WITHOUT YOUR IDEAS IF YOU WANT TO HELP PEOPLE LIKE I SAID GO THE THE STREET HELP THE CHILDREN WITHOUT ENUFF TO EAT HELP THE POOR HELP THE HOMELESS HELP THE WIDOWS GIVE YOUR TIME AND YOUR PRECIOUS SHIT DOLLARS FACE TO FACE SEEK THE ONES WHO ARE IN NEED RIGHT NOW AND STOP DOING SATINS WORK BY CREATING THIS BULLSHIT SAVIOR PLAN AND PREACHING THIS FOUL FOUL UNGODLY SHIT !
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I would give this thread 5 stars, but how do you know the following:
Things will take place this year which will test the very heart of man.
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You speak as if you know it for fact.
 Quoting: thekingofcosmania


I do.

Read the following and take it to heart. [link to formypeople.org]
The Truth About Thread: The FINAL EVENTS Of Bible Prophecy

"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." - Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

"While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's Word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light" (The Great Controversy, p. 527).

"Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain it, and that very fact shows that it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated." - Charles Spurgeon

"Jesuit Adam Weishaupt established the modern version of the Illuminati specifically to be a front organization behind which the Jesuits could hide. After being formally abolished by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, the Jesuits used the Illuminati and other organizations to carry out their operations. Thus, the front organizations would be blamed for the trouble caused by the Jesuits."
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The lord works in "mysterious" ways....

Um...no, that's not it at all.

Try deceptive, and cruel.

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Isa 25:8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
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Preach on Brother.

God Speed.
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IS OF SATAN WHERE IS A VOICE IN THE WILDERNESS WORKS ?

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THE LEAST OF US ?

BESIDES REWRITE BY WORDS OF THE PEOPLES FATHER ?

SHOW ME ONE CHILD YOU HELP WITH MATERIAL FACE TO FACE
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Be nice and stop shouting hate and lies. If you cannot be respectful I will be forced to ban you from my threads.

I am patient, but I do not tolerate purposeful hate and lie-mongering.

You need to take care of your own salvation. Do not worry about mine.

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The Truth About Thread: The FINAL EVENTS Of Bible Prophecy

"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." - Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

"While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's Word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light" (The Great Controversy, p. 527).

"Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain it, and that very fact shows that it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated." - Charles Spurgeon

"Jesuit Adam Weishaupt established the modern version of the Illuminati specifically to be a front organization behind which the Jesuits could hide. After being formally abolished by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, the Jesuits used the Illuminati and other organizations to carry out their operations. Thus, the front organizations would be blamed for the trouble caused by the Jesuits."
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What you are feeling is the 3rd seal of Revelation. It is a gift to God's children and a great many will repent before the jig is up in the 4th seal. Hallelujah !!

So if you are reading this. Stop complaining, turn to Christ, and start serving Him now while you still can. You need His mark on your forehead, not Babylon's. Because Babylon is going down and you don't want to be judged with it.
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The Catholic Church hides alot of things from the general public.

God exists.

Praise Jesus. My Savior.

May you all be saved in the end. God Speed.
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The lord works in "mysterious" ways....

Um...no, that's not it at all.

Try deceptive, and cruel.

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Isa 25:8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
 Quoting: 1COR15:22


Like I said make...everyone suffer unnecessarily.

April Fools!

Hey, Just kidding everybody, I'm real, sorry for all the mess.

Yours Truly,
God
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Never trust a preacher who gets paid to preach.

Angels are all around us.

Repent OP. A camel in thine eye.

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