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UPDATE: POLISH MILITARY PROSECUTOR SPEAKS AFTER SHOOTING HIMSELF AT NEWS CONFERENCE INTO PRESIDENTS PLANE CRASH DEATH

 
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It is not uncommon for military officers to carry a pistol with an empty chamber or even an empty gun. I could have been he drew his pistol and chambered the round because of something he saw or heard when he went into the room, to defend himself?

This could also explain the poorly placed kill shot, the mark getting a pistol into action could have been a serious problem for the whole set up, so the killer took a hurried shot because things did not go as planned.
 Quoting: hello 8515433


That is a somewhat plausible theory as well, that I failed to consider.
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Recorded shot


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8517996


OMG..... the window was wide open........... The KGB escaped!!!!
ASSASSINATION CONFIRMED!!!!
 Quoting: Sir Griffo


Yes, the window was wide open....though it is winter...hm?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8524401


How cold is it in Poland today ?
 Quoting: Lion of Judah

Well it depends where, actually it's same strange kind of weather as in US, unnaturally warm (normally it should be like -13, and we have sometime like 5 - 10 *) What is interesting a polish clairvoyant - Jackowski predicted such unnaturally worm weather back in September. As to the footage I think it wasn't live, I didn't read about whole event yet, but it seems like it was all set up. Look at the camera man in red, instead of help he's just garbing a camera to film this! It seems like hes an WSI agent (past communistic polish military intelligence which controls whole country in backstage)
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bullcrap he has just tried to kill himself , when they guy dont it front of camera in usa no one rushed or gave a shit either and i can tell you i have seen some one shot and i didnt act to shcoked either , its really really surreal ...

this guy obviously knows to much and couldnt handle the pressure of what he knew , its as simple as that
 Quoting: lostandfound


Maybe he did not want to one of the secret torture camps...or somebody did opress him...or he was a lier and he had ended his life by chance..
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Man from Poland, what are they saying? I understand only: let it be!
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He told all the reporters to leave because he needs a 5 minute or so break, than he shot himself.
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I speak Polish and I watched and listen to this video several times.

What is shocking is that one of the present people says:
Are we calling Ambulance OR NOT?

What, they seem not that shocked and they debate between each other if they should call an ambulance!!!!!!!!!!

They don't act like they are in shock!!!!!!

Many Polish people know that it was a sabotage, but the investigations by journalists are being suppressed.

I don't understand why he didn't openly said that he doesn't belive in the official story!!!

Very fishy indeed.
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dots, dots, too many dots! arg the fuging head hurts!
wake up.

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 Quoting: OmegaDelta



Why did the camera operator zoom and/or focus on the curtains?

Why would you do that? Did that person have a suspicion.

Was it a message to tptb?

etc.
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Also his behavior is very strange. He doesn't seem nervous or preparing to shoot himself, he seems relaxed when he asks for 5 minutes break.

The journalists who are present there are acting too calm for my taste.

Nobody is screaming or trying to help. Something is definitely wrong.
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is it possible that someone killed him and then got out?


also, regarding the crash video, did i hear gun shots?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1390471


here it is with english subtitles.


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People always think something's all true.

It's funny. All you have to do is say something nobody understands and they'll do practically anything you want them to.

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Re: UPDATE: POLISH MILITARY PROSECUTOR SPEAKS AFTER SHOOTING HIMSELF AT NEWS CONFERENCE INTO PRESIDENTS PLANE CRASH DEATH
CONSPIRACY AT IT'S BEST.....
 Quoting: Sir Griffo


:indeed:

The crash was an assassination... caught on video.



 Quoting: ScrumpTheTexan


Sorry but how the hell does that video prove this was an assassination.

Are you telling me the Assassins just happened to be in the place of the exact crash location at the right time? They could just be other people in the woods or locals who have come to have a look. If they were people who were responsible on site of the crash they would have killed the guy with the camera and got rid of the evidence.

Think about it.
 Quoting: coyles


His actions and expressions do not appear to be of a person who knows he will be dead by his own hand.
IMHO.
 Quoting: Macraider


I agree, I was thinking the same thing. Also, brief is a very sick person, I pray he gets some relief.
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That open window is very suspect...
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And he's still alive so his secrets live....
 Quoting: Sir Griffo


Right but now they can brand him "mentally ill" and either institutionalize him or use that diagnosis to discredit any "secrets" he may try to release. That was a standard Soviet technique.
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Defending A military investigation into air crash that killed the president....
Guys it gets no better than this.....
Pin please mods...
 Quoting: Sir Griffo


WOW! It certainly doesn't.
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Hey guys. Your suppositions are totally meaningless. The colonel opened the window himself, as he wanted to air the room. He actually says that in the video. It can also be heard on it. C'mon. You don't even understand what they are saying, and you are drawing conclusions.
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The more I think about it, the more the lack of shock among the witnesses makes sense. I'm not saying that this isn't an assassination, just to be to clear. What I am saying is that is likely that the reporters are not in on it.

When the reporters are looking at the body, they seem to be having an emotional response similar to as if they were watching something on TV. There is not much of a tendency to look away. Their facial expressions do not match that of let's say a normally functioning person (a human being in their natural setting - IE not in cubicle and in front of a TV). I think it is more likely, that they are desensitized from all the violence they encounter on the job and during their regular lives while watching their favorite action, horror movies filled with blood and gore and anything you can imagine. There is much evidence to back up what I'm saying. Search 'generation me' on google, 'psychology violence movies ''empathy and movies', 'end of empathy' to see what I am talking about.
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They have use of tech that freezes time. The recently released news story about the scientists discovering an invisibility cloak is a precursor to actual tech already in use. It's a small device worn on their person. They click the button and it freezes everything and everyone in the immediate space around them. They have at least a few minutes of being able to do anything they want and not be seen by anyone or any recording device.
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The guy probably told himself...

If I talk, it'll probably go to WW3... and my family will be killed...

But if I say nothing, I'm a traitor to Poland...

I have no choice, I have to kill myself...


RUSSIA KILLED THE POLISH GOVERNMENT. DUUUUUUUUUH.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8528129


This makes tons of sense IMHO, except for the open window ... that makes no sense.
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That does not look like a guy about to put a bullet into his own skull. It's very strange.

Nothing to see here, move along. Nothing strange. No, go back to business as usual...
Her lips were red, her looks were free,
Her locks were yellow as gold:
Her skin was as white as leprosy,
The Night-Mare LIFE-IN-DEATH was she,
Who thicks man's blood with cold.
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Hey guys. Your suppositions are totally meaningless. The colonel opened the window himself, as he wanted to air the room. He actually says that in the video. It can also be heard on it. C'mon. You don't even understand what they are saying, and you are drawing conclusions.
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Thank you for that.

Is it possible for you to translate the whole thing and put it here on GLP?

It would be much appreciated! hf
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Thread: Catastrophe of Polish plane 10.04.2010


This thread has a link to the "official report" on the crash. Great reading if your into conspiracy fiction.

& the link to the report:

[link to home.comcast.net]

Last Edited by Lemon on 01/09/2012 02:19 PM
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Tyranny Law #1:
"Any power that can be abused will be abused."

Tyranny Law #2:
"Abuse always expands to fill the limits of resistance to it."

Tyranny Law #3:
"If people don't resist the abuses of others, they will have no one to resist the abuses of themselves, and tyranny will prevail."
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Hey guys. Your suppositions are totally meaningless. The colonel opened the window himself, as he wanted to air the room. He actually says that in the video. It can also be heard on it. C'mon. You don't even understand what they are saying, and you are drawing conclusions.
 Quoting: Conspiracy killer 4864412


The guy probably told himself...

If I talk, it'll probably go to WW3... and my family will be killed...

But if I say nothing, I'm a traitor to Poland...

I have no choice, I have to kill myself...


RUSSIA KILLED THE POLISH GOVERNMENT. DUUUUUUUUUH.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8528129


This makes tons of sense IMHO, except for the open window ... that makes no sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1667343


Sorry - hadn't read this response yet.
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What I can see for a "fault" looking from one to the another video clip, is, that the prosecutor is once walking straight to the other room, in the other video he is walking to the door and after that he is walking to the another room....do you see it?
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What I can see for a "fault" looking from one to the another video clip, is, that the prosecutor is once walking straight to the other room, in the other video he is walking to the door and after that he is walking to the another room....do you see it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8524401


So, you have two different clips, and there was an arrangement between the press and the military? That is, why the prosecutor is not dead....
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Recorded shot


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8517996


am I the only one that wonders if indeed he shot himself? No one saw him do it, and look at that open window in the background..anyone could have popped in..gotten a shot out..then popped back out..
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Hey guys. Your suppositions are totally meaningless. The colonel opened the window himself, as he wanted to air the room. He actually says that in the video. It can also be heard on it. C'mon. You don't even understand what they are saying, and you are drawing conclusions.
 Quoting: Conspiracy killer 4864412



That's why they aren't taken seriously, those conspiracy "theorists"...lol, like you said, they don't understand the language spoken but already have all the answers, from NWO to Russian Mafia to UFO's...lol
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Thank you for that.

Is it possible for you to translate the whole thing and put it here on GLP?

It would be much appreciated! hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7193499


The whole press conference is irrelevant, as it regards a different case. Not the Smolensk crash, but some media leaks from the prosecutors office.

The prosecutor actually asks for a 5 minutes break, as he wants to air the room and have some fresh air He then asks everyone to leave the room and close the door. The guy in grey jacket seems to be a colleague of his, who would like to stay. He is however asked to leave the room as well. Some reporters ask whether they can leave their equipment - the conference was supposed to be continued, and reporters were supposed to ask questions after the break.

That's all. The colonel shot himself with his own licensed gun. I've just read in Polish media that he is now being operated and his injuries are not severe. He is probably going to leave hospital next Tuesday. The patron didn't even stuck in his head. It was merely a scratch, they say.
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Re: UPDATE: POLISH MILITARY PROSECUTOR SPEAKS AFTER SHOOTING HIMSELF AT NEWS CONFERENCE INTO PRESIDENTS PLANE CRASH DEATH
just in case nobody did it here yet
Let's put the whole thing in perspective

That plane with pres Kaczynski on board was on it's way to commemoration ceremonies in the Katyn Forest
In 1940 under orders of Joseph Stalin russian NKWD commissars - actually askhenazi j e w s performed a great ritualistic sacrifice there of over 4400 Polish officers and intellectuals

The downing of the plane and the new murders were a continuation of that ha-satanic khazar evil ritual

damned
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Regarding the ambulance: the reporter asked whether somebody had already called it or not. NOT: Whether to call it or not.
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The prosecutor actually asks for a 5 minutes break, as he wants to air the room and have some fresh air He then asks everyone to leave the room and close the door. The guy in grey jacket seems to be a colleague of his, who would like to stay. He is however asked to leave the room as well. Some reporters ask whether they can leave their equipment - the conference was supposed to be continued, and reporters were supposed to ask questions after the break.

That's all. The colonel shot himself with his own licensed gun. I've just read in Polish media that he is now being operated and his injuries are not severe. He is probably going to leave hospital next Tuesday. The patron didn't even stuck in his head. It was merely a scratch, they say.
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Thank you so much.

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