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I honestly believe that hierarchical systems are much easier to explain then being based on scientific understanding and manipulation.

Alpha dominance in pack animals is something I see every day in the wild dogs I feed. They in turn keep the coyotes at bay. Dominance, which I have seen transferred 5 times, is conferred to not the strongest, but the most aggressive.

Peoples interactions are a little more persistent and fraught in psychodrama, but a good punch in the face usually captures some attention and makes points. Peer influences frown on this behaviour since we are a bureaucratic species and need to make illusory subsystems to keep the systemic transfers occuring. We also share exchange power for allowing others to transition to power.

The wise amongst us have solely created a system to keep the potential alphas at bay, by criminalizing their behaviour and creating complex rules which bore most to tears and undermine their tenacity.
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I honestly believe that hierarchical systems are much easier to explain then being based on scientific understanding and manipulation.

Alpha dominance in pack animals is something I see every day in the wild dogs I feed. They in turn keep the coyotes at bay. Dominance, which I have seen transferred 5 times, is conferred to not the strongest, but the most aggressive.

Peoples interactions are a little more persistent and fraught in psychodrama, but a good punch in the face usually captures some attention and makes points. Peer influences frown on this behaviour since we are a bureaucratic species and need to make illusory subsystems to keep the systemic transfers occuring. We also share exchange power for allowing others to transition to power.

The wise amongst us have solely created a system to keep the potential alphas at bay, by criminalizing their behaviour and creating complex rules which bore most to tears and undermine their tenacity.

Since we are a self serving species, oftentimes the most related and not most worthy are elevated to power. This undermines us and creates a more powerful enforcement class, which propagates itself. Females, seeking power to line the nest choose the illusory alphas and further enforce the system. Thank gods for the sexual chaos and need for females to bow to nature or we'd all be a bunch of chinless fucks. ;)
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I honestly believe that hierarchical systems are much easier to explain then being based on scientific understanding and manipulation.

Alpha dominance in pack animals is something I see every day in the wild dogs I feed. They in turn keep the coyotes at bay. Dominance, which I have seen transferred 5 times, is conferred to not the strongest, but the most aggressive.

Peoples interactions are a little more persistent and fraught in psychodrama, but a good punch in the face usually captures some attention and makes points. Peer influences frown on this behaviour since we are a bureaucratic species and need to make illusory subsystems to keep the systemic transfers occuring. We also share exchange power for allowing others to transition to power.

The wise amongst us have solely created a system to keep the potential alphas at bay, by criminalizing their behaviour and creating complex rules which bore most to tears and undermine their tenacity.

Since we are a self serving species, oftentimes the most related and not most worthy are elevated to power. This undermines us and creates a more powerful enforcement class, which propagates itself. Females, seeking power to line the nest choose the illusory alphas and further enforce the system. Thank gods for the sexual chaos and need for females to bow to nature or we'd all be a bunch of chinless fucks. ;)
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LoL....Always appreciate your input.
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Yes, females made us create this system. If it was up to us man, we would still just tell them to clean the cave a bit sometimes.
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Videos chew up my bandwidth quota too quickly

can anyone give me a brief summary

then I will tell you if it is true or not, because I know how
the Illuminati came to be, the last 2000 years of it anyway.
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Yes, females made us create this system. If it was up to us man, we would still just tell them to clean the cave a bit sometimes.
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Lol, no. remember what males truly worship; Our first gods were Goddesses and we worshiped their fertility as we worshiped our arable soil or animal spirits, if we were still hunters.
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Finally the tru... no. I watched half of the video... That was enough, pile of wank that it was.
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Liking the replies though :)
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I honestly believe that hierarchical systems are much easier to explain then being based on scientific understanding and manipulation.

Alpha dominance in pack animals is something I see every day in the wild dogs I feed. They in turn keep the coyotes at bay. Dominance, which I have seen transferred 5 times, is conferred to not the strongest, but the most aggressive.

Peoples interactions are a little more persistent and fraught in psychodrama, but a good punch in the face usually captures some attention and makes points. Peer influences frown on this behaviour since we are a bureaucratic species and need to make illusory subsystems to keep the systemic transfers occuring. We also share exchange power for allowing others to transition to power.

The wise amongst us have solely created a system to keep the potential alphas at bay, by criminalizing their behaviour and creating complex rules which bore most to tears and undermine their tenacity.

Since we are a self serving species, oftentimes the most related and not most worthy are elevated to power. This undermines us and creates a more powerful enforcement class, which propagates itself. Females, seeking power to line the nest choose the illusory alphas and further enforce the system. Thank gods for the sexual chaos and need for females to bow to nature or we'd all be a bunch of chinless fucks. ;)
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LoL....Always appreciate your input.
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Cheers, where I must defer to your point: Is the symbology of the Sun. The sun and shiny gold are omnipresent in crowns and symbolize the transference of divinely protecting fertility. I say protecting and not self serving. At some point the gold was taken literally.
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Liking the replies though :)
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Reptiles huh?

No summary needed, its bullshit!

Here goes, the Illuminati pretty well started as wandering mystics, it was first formalized as an order by Pythagoras, who learned & collated all the teachings of the mystics. I forget the actual nitty-gritty of it all, but thats it in a nutshell.

Not as exciting, but at least its the truth!
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Reptiles huh?

No summary needed, its bullshit!

Here goes, the Illuminati pretty well started as wandering mystics, it was first formalized as an order by Pythagoras, who learned & collated all the teachings of the mystics. I forget the actual nitty-gritty of it all, but thats it in a nutshell.

Not as exciting, but at least its the truth!
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Yes, they collected the first libraries. In fact the libraries of Alexandria were intellectual tax, as it was the main port of trade and all maps and documentation were copied.
What we are also getting at is the psychology which propagates it and everything else.
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Yes, they collected the first libraries. In fact the libraries of Alexandria were intellectual tax, as it was the main port of trade and all maps and documentation were copied.
What we are also getting at is the psychology which propagates it and everything else.
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I see, that sort of ties in to what I know.

as I posted, Pythagoras was the first official Grand Master, & part of how he learned of the mysteries were through his travels on his father's ship, in mystical-laden places such as Persia, ect. Wouldn't you have just LOVED to travel around the place on your fathers ship, absorbing the knowlege of the Middle-Eastern mystics rather than stuck in your classroom at school?

Don't believe the absolute CRAP about the Illumiati, the best way to fight your enemy(as in, the Illuminati) is to demonize them. The truth is finally getting out there
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The wise amongst us have solely created a system to keep the potential alphas at bay, by criminalizing their behaviour and creating complex rules which bore most to tears and undermine their tenacity.
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Terrible reading of history. The systems in place for alphas are designed by and for the benefit of the sub-culture of Masonry with homosexual, sloth, pedophile, and slavery supporting tendencies.
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Yes, they collected the first libraries. In fact the libraries of Alexandria were intellectual tax, as it was the main port of trade and all maps and documentation were copied.
What we are also getting at is the psychology which propagates it and everything else.
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I see, that sort of ties in to what I know.

as I posted, Pythagoras was the first official Grand Master, & part of how he learned of the mysteries were through his travels on his father's ship, in mystical-laden places such as Persia, ect. Wouldn't you have just LOVED to travel around the place on your fathers ship, absorbing the knowlege of the Middle-Eastern mystics rather than stuck in your classroom at school?

Don't believe the absolute CRAP about the Illumiati, the best way to fight your enemy(as in, the Illuminati) is to demonize them. The truth is finally getting out there
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


The Grecian and Egyptian mystery schools were just saving knowledge. Why fight what is the lifelong pursuit of gathering enlightenment, in the literal sense.

It is not the organizations that are bad; It is the bias of the structure of power that we have become beholden to.
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The wise amongst us have solely created a system to keep the potential alphas at bay, by criminalizing their behaviour and creating complex rules which bore most to tears and undermine their tenacity.
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Terrible reading of history. The systems in place for alphas are designed by and for the benefit of the sub-culture of Masonry with homosexual, sloth, pedophile, and slavery supporting tendencies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8516237


It's funny that you approportion the Idea of evil to what is essentially a culture of geeks gathering and catalyzing datum.

Organization only goes awry because of the tendencies of culture at large and the dominant philosophies of new acolytes.
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The wise amongst us have solely created a system to keep the potential alphas at bay, by criminalizing their behaviour and creating complex rules which bore most to tears and undermine their tenacity.
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Terrible reading of history. The systems in place for alphas are designed by and for the benefit of the sub-culture of Masonry with homosexual, sloth, pedophile, and slavery supporting tendencies.
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It's funny that you approportion the Idea of evil to what is essentially a culture of geeks gathering and catalyzing datum.

Organization only goes awry because of the tendencies of culture at large and the dominant philosophies of new acolytes.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Please tell me how a few control the many; The sustained energy needed to change the many would be monumental. Money has made it easier, as has television taken as bible fact, but the church of the roman is the only organization with tendrils enough to even touch this.
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This video is absolutley correct. Wise men discovered how to predict eclipses while the majority of the surroundingpopulace were hunter gatherers. This allowed them to exploit and control their fellow man. This same group became the royal blood li.es ordained by God once civilization and agriculture came around. This same conglomerate of families and secret so ities till this day have in their posession every secret that has been accomplished or discovered throughout history including but not limited to truth about Jesus atlantis Ufo tech elixir levitation regeneration how to access other dimensions etc.



They have kept control by creating problems and of course providing the solutions.
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The wise amongst us have solely created a system to keep the potential alphas at bay, by criminalizing their behaviour and creating complex rules which bore most to tears and undermine their tenacity.
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Terrible reading of history. The systems in place for alphas are designed by and for the benefit of the sub-culture of Masonry with homosexual, sloth, pedophile, and slavery supporting tendencies.
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It's funny that you approportion the Idea of evil to what is essentially a culture of geeks gathering and catalyzing datum.

Organization only goes awry because of the tendencies of culture at large and the dominant philosophies of new acolytes.
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As a Mason, shame on you for lying.
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The wise amongst us have solely created a system to keep the potential alphas at bay, by criminalizing their behaviour and creating complex rules which bore most to tears and undermine their tenacity.
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Terrible reading of history. The systems in place for alphas are designed by and for the benefit of the sub-culture of Masonry with homosexual, sloth, pedophile, and slavery supporting tendencies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8516237


It's funny that you approportion the Idea of evil to what is essentially a culture of geeks gathering and catalyzing datum.

Organization only goes awry because of the tendencies of culture at large and the dominant philosophies of new acolytes.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


As a Mason, shame on you for lying.
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I would never bother lying, too complicated to keep facts straight and it would eat up too much time. I didn't mention masons as being illuminists; that is your perception. I was born to these concepts and would never join any organization that would have me, to quote Mr Marx.
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Terrible reading of history. The systems in place for alphas are designed by and for the benefit of the sub-culture of Masonry with homosexual, sloth, pedophile, and slavery supporting tendencies.
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It's funny that you approportion the Idea of evil to what is essentially a culture of geeks gathering and catalyzing datum.

Organization only goes awry because of the tendencies of culture at large and the dominant philosophies of new acolytes.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


As a Mason, shame on you for lying.
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I would never bother lying, too complicated to keep facts straight and it would eat up too much time. I didn't mention masons as being illuminists; that is your perception. I was born to these concepts and would never join any organization that would have me, to quote Mr Marx.
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Ok, well maybe you will refrain from pretending to know what a several thousand year old organization is about that you haven't seen from the inside in the future then.
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It's funny that you approportion the Idea of evil to what is essentially a culture of geeks gathering and catalyzing datum.

Organization only goes awry because of the tendencies of culture at large and the dominant philosophies of new acolytes.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


As a Mason, shame on you for lying.
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I would never bother lying, too complicated to keep facts straight and it would eat up too much time. I didn't mention masons as being illuminists; that is your perception. I was born to these concepts and would never join any organization that would have me, to quote Mr Marx.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Ok, well maybe you will refrain from pretending to know what a several thousand year old organization is about that you haven't seen from the inside in the future then.
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Did you ever wonder why there were a surplus of Scottish mercenaries in Crotia during the civil unrest. Did you ever read the great books that the masons and such summarize?. Did you need to join an order to put your own house in Order. Again, I was born to these practices. My ancestry to Lysander has fought and died for them. So, please, put away your spoon fed tripe.

I hate politics. Logic and humility or plainly: fuck off.
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Was there ever a trace of the word "Illuminati" as a mystical society before the XVIIIth century?

Me think not.


Now don't get me wrong, there were mystery schools, gnostic sects, secret hermetic societies, lonely alchemists and Greek philosophers and there followers.

All influencing each others, all influenced by their predecessors, all leaving scriptures for their heirs to be inspired. But to believe there ever was ONE leading group, with one single hierarchy and one immutable teaching, that's wishful thinking.

Wise and enlightened people each adding their stone to the monument, sometimes disagreeing and fighting, sometimes sharing common belief and banding together for a few centuries, that I can believe.

But "Illuminati" as a continuous group from the Golden Age till today?

Ahahah, seriously? You guys.
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Was there ever a trace of the word "Illuminati" as a mystical society before the XVIIIth century?

Me think not.


Now don't get me wrong, there were mystery schools, gnostic sects, secret hermetic societies, lonely alchemists and Greek philosophers and there followers.

All influencing each others, all influenced by their predecessors, all leaving scriptures for their heirs to be inspired. But to believe there ever was ONE leading group, with one single hierarchy and one immutable teaching, that's wishful thinking.

Wise and enlightened people each adding their stone to the monument, sometimes disagreeing and fighting, sometimes sharing common belief and banding together for a few centuries, that I can believe.

But "Illuminati" as a continuous group from the Golden Age till today?

Ahahah, seriously? You guys.
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I wholeheartedly concur, but are you saying that there has been no continuation in knowledge? That is why I address matters that are oriented towards control mechanisms and Sects that were forced to occlude their knowledge i.e gnosticism, judaism and the like. The church romanus has historically destroyed any scriven texts and physically killed or intimidated whole populations, but their Ideas persist and yes it has been the academic geeks of many ilks that have perpetuated it.

This is why we have ages where discourse is open and then the geeks must flee and organize to protect that which the self perpetuating elite of forms ecclesiastical and secular have enforced, simply, to enforce uniformity to their bias.

So, ultimately, history dictates there was never a consistent need for consistent occlusion.
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Was there ever a trace of the word "Illuminati" as a mystical society before the XVIIIth century?

Me think not.


Now don't get me wrong, there were mystery schools, gnostic sects, secret hermetic societies, lonely alchemists and Greek philosophers and there followers.

All influencing each others, all influenced by their predecessors, all leaving scriptures for their heirs to be inspired. But to believe there ever was ONE leading group, with one single hierarchy and one immutable teaching, that's wishful thinking.

Wise and enlightened people each adding their stone to the monument, sometimes disagreeing and fighting, sometimes sharing common belief and banding together for a few centuries, that I can believe.

But "Illuminati" as a continuous group from the Golden Age till today?

Ahahah, seriously? You guys.
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Before that they were called SHINING ONES

They were tall with shining pale skin (with a luminese light) White/blonde hair. Blue Eyes.

They were Gods who came down to teach man.
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Was there ever a trace of the word "Illuminati" as a mystical society before the XVIIIth century?

Me think not.


Now don't get me wrong, there were mystery schools, gnostic sects, secret hermetic societies, lonely alchemists and Greek philosophers and there followers.

All influencing each others, all influenced by their predecessors, all leaving scriptures for their heirs to be inspired. But to believe there ever was ONE leading group, with one single hierarchy and one immutable teaching, that's wishful thinking.

Wise and enlightened people each adding their stone to the monument, sometimes disagreeing and fighting, sometimes sharing common belief and banding together for a few centuries, that I can believe.

But "Illuminati" as a continuous group from the Golden Age till today?

Ahahah, seriously? You guys.
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Before that they were called SHINING ONES

They were tall with shining pale skin (with a luminese light) White/blonde hair. Blue Eyes.

They were Gods who came down to teach man.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI


You're so full of disinfo. Blue eyes are predominately what is mainline masonry today, not illuminati. Scots / green eyes are traditional illuminati, ie, respecting the individual, prophecy, spreading the kingdom, etc.
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Was there ever a trace of the word "Illuminati" as a mystical society before the XVIIIth century?

Me think not.


Now don't get me wrong, there were mystery schools, gnostic sects, secret hermetic societies, lonely alchemists and Greek philosophers and there followers.

All influencing each others, all influenced by their predecessors, all leaving scriptures for their heirs to be inspired. But to believe there ever was ONE leading group, with one single hierarchy and one immutable teaching, that's wishful thinking.

Wise and enlightened people each adding their stone to the monument, sometimes disagreeing and fighting, sometimes sharing common belief and banding together for a few centuries, that I can believe.

But "Illuminati" as a continuous group from the Golden Age till today?

Ahahah, seriously? You guys.
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Before that they were called SHINING ONES

They were tall with shining pale skin (with a luminese light) White/blonde hair. Blue Eyes.

They were Gods who came down to teach man.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI


You're so full of disinfo. Blue eyes are predominately what is mainline masonry today, not illuminati. Scots / green eyes are traditional illuminati, ie, respecting the individual, prophecy, spreading the kingdom, etc.
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Green eyes are the mutation around meditteranean Celts stemming from migrations of the east and middle east. Solely, why I brought up the historical correlation between Scots and those in the Balkans.

These Ideas fused from Egyptian, Persian, Grecian and Indian subcontinent vedic and Celtic earth fertility practices.

Blue eyes stemmed from a migration north of the caucauses and found itself in the UK much later from Danish and Viking incursions.
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I wholeheartedly concur, but are you saying that there has been no continuation in knowledge?
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Yes, no continuation. Evolution.

Just like Nature evolves, so do ideas.

Any honest student of the ancient philosophies can only marvel at the similarity of the core teachings, and yet at the countless discrepancies and contradiction of some concepts.

So for me, there's only one Truth, and it is very simple (could be summarized in one sentence). Everything else is details and subject to personal bias.
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Was there ever a trace of the word "Illuminati" as a mystical society before the XVIIIth century?

Me think not.


Now don't get me wrong, there were mystery schools, gnostic sects, secret hermetic societies, lonely alchemists and Greek philosophers and there followers.

All influencing each others, all influenced by their predecessors, all leaving scriptures for their heirs to be inspired. But to believe there ever was ONE leading group, with one single hierarchy and one immutable teaching, that's wishful thinking.

Wise and enlightened people each adding their stone to the monument, sometimes disagreeing and fighting, sometimes sharing common belief and banding together for a few centuries, that I can believe.

But "Illuminati" as a continuous group from the Golden Age till today?

Ahahah, seriously? You guys.
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I wholeheartedly concur, but are you saying that there has been no continuation in knowledge? That is why I address matters that are oriented towards control mechanisms and Sects that were forced to occlude their knowledge i.e gnosticism, judaism and the like. The church romanus has historically destroyed any scriven texts and physically killed or intimidated whole populations, but their Ideas persist and yes it has been the academic geeks of many ilks that have perpetuated it.

This is why we have ages where discourse is open and then the geeks must flee and organize to protect that which the self perpetuating elite of forms ecclesiastical and secular have enforced, simply, to enforce uniformity to their bias.

So, ultimately, history dictates there was never a consistent need for constant occlusion.
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