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How the Illuminati Really Began.

 
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Gentlemen please get along. Or at least respect all opinions. This thread has grown and its only an exchange of ideas, seeds of ideas, which have grown to make for a very interesting conversation, a conversation that i would respectfully ask we carry as if we were old friends having some wine around some rustic table.
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I agree.
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Well folks, time to be alone with my programming, building and progeny.

Cheers
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Sorry for not contributing. Busy at work.

Cheers
 Quoting: SickScent


Lol, Today, the lessons are pretentiousness and the need to work and play at other things sometimes.

The wife agrees with Knights templar and tells me I'm well intentioned ,but am like a musician that likes my music too much for some to comprehend.

Couple that with too much interaction with academics and Experts and it makes me tedious. She prefers when I used to drink too much and my debates ended with bruised male faces and hugs.
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You wife is wise and you should listen to her more.
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Upon rereading, we were making the same point. Organizations secret (hide) knowledge and create divisiveness. I just got a bit hopped up that my prose was being critiqued as was my person.

Cheers

Nuff said
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Sorry for not contributing. Busy at work.

Cheers
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Lol, Today, the lessons are pretentiousness and the need to work and play at other things sometimes.

The wife agrees with Knights templar and tells me I'm well intentioned ,but am like a musician that likes my music too much for some to comprehend.

Couple that with too much interaction with academics and Experts and it makes me tedious. She prefers when I used to drink too much and my debates ended with bruised male faces and hugs.
 Quoting: unCapt Carnuba


You wife is wise and you should listen to her more.
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


Upon rereading, we were making the same point. Organizations secret (hide) knowledge and create divisiveness. I just got a bit hopped up that my prose was being critiqued as was my person.

Cheers

Nuff said
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Cheers bro.
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I just went running with Metzner and Grof to regain my perspective.

I think i'll just summate what I've bantered so far for the sake of clarity and a marker to begin anew.

The original Idea of the Illuminati seems to have evolved into a question of the free flow of information and symbols of significance which are generated by an intellectual elite.

On the other side of this are the soldiers and enforcers of the system that represent technology used to control the people and keep them in check.

Above them and completing the pyramid are the Masters that control the flow of resources to either of these groups and consequently the flow that trickles to us: the great unwashed.

As with the Hegelian dialectic, The Master is also the servant of these two forces. As resources flow from one group to the other (The Lion or the Lamb); The common people see a limiting or opening of potential and a rise or fall in their civilization.

This interplay and shifting between the two is very connected to geopolitics and which Masters (Houses) are allowed the flow of given resources to redistribute.

A dearth of resources call for a limitation of intellectual resource and even potential disassembling and clampdown of information which furthers the cultural and economic freefall.

Organizations and cultures can maintain monolithic, information controlling institutions insofar as new challenges have not arisen that require the shifting of the status quo. Ergo Information flow, beyond the rote and cyclical maintenance need is kept to the highest levels instead of being disseminated.

This control structure also imposes itself on the Interracial, Intercultural exchanges given to DNA. As a culture remains propagandistic and closed to external information it calls for a closed racial profile paralell to the lack of new or free information flow.

Again, as information flows freely a monlithic, closed society is given to exchange and diversify until the ultimate swing in poles brings about an imposed control and crystalization of hierarchy.

This was broached in the flow of civilization and dominant cultural symbolism from Mesopotamia--Greece--Rome--England--America.

At this juncture we started to analyze the imagery and dominant cultural Ideals as mirrored and imposed on Religion, Economic and Cultural institutions.

To further the debate is to look at the inevitabilities of current situations and potential synthesis in the eschatological age.

Will it be a synthesis of fire or of reinvigorating a golden age through Union and the merging of the future by releasing the biases of the past.

My 5 cents.

23-17
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In basic terms: The fire of seeming chaos is acting as an intelligence to give us indication of the most important Ideas and symbols. The fingerprint and minor proof of a uniting principle, some will call god.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Just bumping for discussion
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Hail Eris?


For me: Chaos = the fertile ground waiting to be manifested through the causal seed.

Actually I wouldn't call it Chaos but Potential.

I don't believe in true Chaos. Chaos is Order not yet understood. It's a product of our limited brain which cannot encompass all causes and effects.
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this cannot be a static teaching, it is dynamic and needs the EYE without bias of personal gain which poisons.
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Glad to see I'm not the only one to think so :)

Old books are no match for the oral traditions and living masters (as long as they are alive and there's a continuity of course :) ).

Books are cool if you can't find a master, but otherwise, dynamic teaching is far superior.

e.g. Dzogchen teachings can be different for each individual and can awaken the students in surprisingly effective and pragmatic way. Here the objective is not the intellectualization of the prime condition of the mind, but it's direct experience through a constant dialog between the master and student.
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I just went running with Metzner and Grof to regain my perspective.

I think i'll just summate what I've bantered so far for the sake of clarity and a marker to begin anew.

The original Idea of the Illuminati seems to have evolved into a question of the free flow of information and symbols of significance which are generated by an intellectual elite.

On the other side of this are the soldiers and enforcers of the system that represent technology used to control the people and keep them in check.

Above them and completing the pyramid are the Masters that control the flow of resources to either of these groups and consequently the flow that trickles to us: the great unwashed.

 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


And outside of this picture, you've got the countless individuals who don't pretend to belong to one or the other group, who can change opinion at will, not because they don't believe in anything, but more because they enjoy to challenge their own beliefs and those of others.

At first glance it seems these trolls are just an obstacle on your path to Veritas, but maybe they act as catalysts too?

Who knows what role the jerks who dislike all dogmas and crumbling traditional systems are really playing? Yes the culture hero, the Trickster, the Fool is a jerk. He's here for your merriment, but maybe also for your growth.

To keep a healthy tree, sometimes you need to prune the old branches, even if it breaks your heart.
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this cannot be a static teaching, it is dynamic and needs the EYE without bias of personal gain which poisons.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Glad to see I'm not the only one to think so :)

Old books are no match for the oral traditions and living masters (as long as they are alive and there's a continuity of course :) ).

Books are cool if you can't find a master, but otherwise, dynamic teaching is far superior.

e.g. Dzogchen teachings can be different for each individual and can awaken the students in surprisingly effective and pragmatic way. Here the objective is not the intellectualization of the prime condition of the mind, but it's direct experience through a constant dialog between the master and student.
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Thank you for saying so much in so little. Dynamic teaching or the mondo as I know it, seems to allow the student to feel the organic nature of the subject matter, since it is gleaned from the teacher by ask then answer.
This allows the student to become aware when ready and incorporate a living body of information into awareness.

Rather than the opposite that emphasizes rote and recycle. I liken it to recieving a stillborn child.

Eris and the symbolism of discord or Discordia is definitely a strong impetus in the breakdown of monolithic informational structures.

Conversely or Inversely, Principa Mathematica was likened to
the recollection or principles of Accord or heck lets call it the accordian, cause mamas got a squeezebox and she has united all of our molecular chaos into a unified walking talking symbol of chaos. ;)

I think this hits upon the main theory we've been rehashing here: the unification of data and the rise in novel forms as we seemingly speed to the = sign of incidence, or the eschatological age.

We have postulated the reunification with the image of the inhalation of Brahma or the gathering of souls to root or source.

The question remains is there a uniting image/archetype that speaks to all without bias. Is there a chemical moment in the brain that transcends bias? Will there be a frequency that makes union of free will, A magical musical tone that unites an us and them?

We know universal natural law stems from motion and dynamism being impelled by an equal and opposite. It is conflict and discord characterized. That which will impede and stop this dynamism must almost destroy the electrochemical repulsion that keeps the poles separate.

Time for coffee and so more thunk.

Again, Thanks for the spark.

We are titans all.
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The Lion will lay down with the lamb. The Priests and the Profane held hands.

The second sun rose, a new dawn of prose. The 144,000 formed a band.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI



So the guy in the picture is supposed to represent something good. Bringing all together.


Disregard i just read your comment above.
 Quoting: DOOM-N-GLOOM


That too. He will unite all religions, and people do want to hear that. Nothing wrong with wanting unity.

Unfortunately it might not work out in the end, It will work out initially.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI



Well isnt that what the general populace views as the Anti-Christ someone that will bring everyone together but will eventually turn out to be evil.
 Quoting: DOOM-N-GLOOM



Meant to ask you this yesterday. Is he the one that might cause it to not work out in the end? If not, then he would not be the evil one, right? Maybe he would be perceived as 'evil', but in truth, he himself may not be, but would be set up to be by whoever is pulling the strings.

Also, is there really such a thing as an evil one and a 'holy' one?
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I just went running with Metzner and Grof to regain my perspective.

I think i'll just summate what I've bantered so far for the sake of clarity and a marker to begin anew.

The original Idea of the Illuminati seems to have evolved into a question of the free flow of information and symbols of significance which are generated by an intellectual elite.

On the other side of this are the soldiers and enforcers of the system that represent technology used to control the people and keep them in check.

Above them and completing the pyramid are the Masters that control the flow of resources to either of these groups and consequently the flow that trickles to us: the great unwashed.

As with the Hegelian dialectic, The Master is also the servant of these two forces. As resources flow from one group to the other (The Lion or the Lamb); The common people see a limiting or opening of potential and a rise or fall in their civilization.

This interplay and shifting between the two is very connected to geopolitics and which Masters (Houses) are allowed the flow of given resources to redistribute.

A dearth of resources call for a limitation of intellectual resource and even potential disassembling and clampdown of information which furthers the cultural and economic freefall.

Organizations and cultures can maintain monolithic, information controlling institutions insofar as new challenges have not arisen that require the shifting of the status quo. Ergo Information flow, beyond the rote and cyclical maintenance need is kept to the highest levels instead of being disseminated.

This control structure also imposes itself on the Interracial, Intercultural exchanges given to DNA. As a culture remains propagandistic and closed to external information it calls for a closed racial profile paralell to the lack of new or free information flow.

Again, as information flows freely a monlithic, closed society is given to exchange and diversify until the ultimate swing in poles brings about an imposed control and crystalization of hierarchy.

This was broached in the flow of civilization and dominant cultural symbolism from Mesopotamia--Greece--Rome--England--America.

At this juncture we started to analyze the imagery and dominant cultural Ideals as mirrored and imposed on Religion, Economic and Cultural institutions.

To further the debate is to look at the inevitabilities of current situations and potential synthesis in the eschatological age.

Will it be a synthesis of fire or of reinvigorating a golden age through Union and the merging of the future by releasing the biases of the past.

My 5 cents.

23-17
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


What is the manifestation time of inevitability? 1 generation? Will the eschatological age that results in the golden age be within a single lifetime?
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this cannot be a static teaching, it is dynamic and needs the EYE without bias of personal gain which poisons.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Glad to see I'm not the only one to think so :)

Old books are no match for the oral traditions and living masters (as long as they are alive and there's a continuity of course :) ).

Books are cool if you can't find a master, but otherwise, dynamic teaching is far superior.

e.g. Dzogchen teachings can be different for each individual and can awaken the students in surprisingly effective and pragmatic way. Here the objective is not the intellectualization of the prime condition of the mind, but it's direct experience through a constant dialog between the master and student.
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Thank you for saying so much in so little. Dynamic teaching or the mondo as I know it, seems to allow the student to feel the organic nature of the subject matter, since it is gleaned from the teacher by ask then answer.
This allows the student to become aware when ready and incorporate a living body of information into awareness.

Rather than the opposite that emphasizes rote and recycle. I liken it to recieving a stillborn child.

Eris and the symbolism of discord or Discordia is definitely a strong impetus in the breakdown of monolithic informational structures.

Conversely or Inversely, Principa Mathematica was likened to
the recollection or principles of Accord or heck lets call it the accordian, cause mamas got a squeezebox and she has united all of our molecular chaos into a unified walking talking symbol of chaos. ;)

I think this hits upon the main theory we've been rehashing here: the unification of data and the rise in novel forms as we seemingly speed to the = sign of incidence, or the eschatological age.

We have postulated the reunification with the image of the inhalation of Brahma or the gathering of souls to root or source.

The question remains is there a uniting image/archetype that speaks to all without bias. Is there a chemical moment in the brain that transcends bias? Will there be a frequency that makes union of free will, A magical musical tone that unites an us and them?

We know universal natural law stems from motion and dynamism being impelled by an equal and opposite. It is conflict and discord characterized. That which will impede and stop this dynamism must almost destroy the electrochemical repulsion that keeps the poles separate.

Time for coffee and so more thunk.

Again, Thanks for the spark.

We are titans all.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


I think there is. From information I have gathered and understood over the last 5 years or so, I would say definitely so. But, its simplicity becomes extremely complex once placed into the human condition. The human condition does not live in accordance with universal realities...science/religion/philosophy. We like to think we do by trying to understand the universe through science/religion/philosophy, but there are bottlenecks/biases/misinterpretations that are rampant in the entirety of the human condition. The need to cross pollinate and merge all human thought concepts turned constructs (science/religion/philosophy, etc) is a key component in transcending the current human condition, is it not?
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Glad to see I'm not the only one to think so :)

Old books are no match for the oral traditions and living masters (as long as they are alive and there's a continuity of course :) ).

Books are cool if you can't find a master, but otherwise, dynamic teaching is far superior.

e.g. Dzogchen teachings can be different for each individual and can awaken the students in surprisingly effective and pragmatic way. Here the objective is not the intellectualization of the prime condition of the mind, but it's direct experience through a constant dialog between the master and student.
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Thank you for saying so much in so little. Dynamic teaching or the mondo as I know it, seems to allow the student to feel the organic nature of the subject matter, since it is gleaned from the teacher by ask then answer.
This allows the student to become aware when ready and incorporate a living body of information into awareness.

Rather than the opposite that emphasizes rote and recycle. I liken it to recieving a stillborn child.

Eris and the symbolism of discord or Discordia is definitely a strong impetus in the breakdown of monolithic informational structures.

Conversely or Inversely, Principa Mathematica was likened to
the recollection or principles of Accord or heck lets call it the accordian, cause mamas got a squeezebox and she has united all of our molecular chaos into a unified walking talking symbol of chaos. ;)

I think this hits upon the main theory we've been rehashing here: the unification of data and the rise in novel forms as we seemingly speed to the = sign of incidence, or the eschatological age.

We have postulated the reunification with the image of the inhalation of Brahma or the gathering of souls to root or source.

The question remains is there a uniting image/archetype that speaks to all without bias. Is there a chemical moment in the brain that transcends bias? Will there be a frequency that makes union of free will, A magical musical tone that unites an us and them?

We know universal natural law stems from motion and dynamism being impelled by an equal and opposite. It is conflict and discord characterized. That which will impede and stop this dynamism must almost destroy the electrochemical repulsion that keeps the poles separate.

Time for coffee and so more thunk.

Again, Thanks for the spark.

We are titans all.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


I think there is. From information I have gathered and understood over the last 5 years or so, I would say definitely so. But, its simplicity becomes extremely complex once placed into the human condition. The human condition does not live in accordance with universal realities...science/religion/philosophy. We like to think we do by trying to understand the universe through science/religion/philosophy, but there are bottlenecks/biases/misinterpretations that are rampant in the entirety of the human condition. The need to cross pollinate and merge all human thought concepts turned constructs (science/religion/philosophy, etc) is a key component in transcending the current human condition, is it not?
 Quoting: SickScent


In my estimation, Yes, the transfigurative properties of resynthesis through chaos always leave indelible symbolic constructs. The explanations are different because of evaluative biases. But this fire of chaos burns away most and steels the most significant.

This is what I was talking about as the fingerprint of a Deus ex Machina.

IMO, the symbol of the burning heart

I understand the human condition, it was yesterdays personal lesson through my exchange with Knights Templar.
We can say the same thing and our egos will blind us.

That is why I summated my Idea of their perhaps being a symbol, a frequency, a transfigurative moment, perhaps generated by the fingerprint, the intelligent chaos. It is something we all unknowingly have an accord towards. It has no ego. it is the essence of a non biased, all loving god.

it transforms in spite of us.

Thank you for letting me bounce off of you in my convoluted, pretentious way. If anything is hard to grasp, just ask.
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What this has me thinking of is the rule of 7 and the particular tones the spheres emit and potential merges in tone that alter, especially in alignments with stellar and interstellar bodies.

Perhaps, it is the great Chronos churning a tune in the great galactic symphony?
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Glad to see I'm not the only one to think so :)

Old books are no match for the oral traditions and living masters (as long as they are alive and there's a continuity of course :) ).

Books are cool if you can't find a master, but otherwise, dynamic teaching is far superior.

e.g. Dzogchen teachings can be different for each individual and can awaken the students in surprisingly effective and pragmatic way. Here the objective is not the intellectualization of the prime condition of the mind, but it's direct experience through a constant dialog between the master and student.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8762928


Thank you for saying so much in so little. Dynamic teaching or the mondo as I know it, seems to allow the student to feel the organic nature of the subject matter, since it is gleaned from the teacher by ask then answer.
This allows the student to become aware when ready and incorporate a living body of information into awareness.

Rather than the opposite that emphasizes rote and recycle. I liken it to recieving a stillborn child.

Eris and the symbolism of discord or Discordia is definitely a strong impetus in the breakdown of monolithic informational structures.

Conversely or Inversely, Principa Mathematica was likened to
the recollection or principles of Accord or heck lets call it the accordian, cause mamas got a squeezebox and she has united all of our molecular chaos into a unified walking talking symbol of chaos. ;)

I think this hits upon the main theory we've been rehashing here: the unification of data and the rise in novel forms as we seemingly speed to the = sign of incidence, or the eschatological age.

We have postulated the reunification with the image of the inhalation of Brahma or the gathering of souls to root or source.

The question remains is there a uniting image/archetype that speaks to all without bias. Is there a chemical moment in the brain that transcends bias? Will there be a frequency that makes union of free will, A magical musical tone that unites an us and them?

We know universal natural law stems from motion and dynamism being impelled by an equal and opposite. It is conflict and discord characterized. That which will impede and stop this dynamism must almost destroy the electrochemical repulsion that keeps the poles separate.

Time for coffee and so more thunk.

Again, Thanks for the spark.

We are titans all.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


I think there is. From information I have gathered and understood over the last 5 years or so, I would say definitely so. But, its simplicity becomes extremely complex once placed into the human condition. The human condition does not live in accordance with universal realities...science/religion/philosophy. We like to think we do by trying to understand the universe through science/religion/philosophy, but there are bottlenecks/biases/misinterpretations that are rampant in the entirety of the human condition. The need to cross pollinate and merge all human thought concepts turned constructs (science/religion/philosophy, etc) is a key component in transcending the current human condition, is it not?
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In my estimation, Yes, the transfigurative properties of resynthesis through chaos always leave indelible symbolic constructs. The explanations are different because of evaluative biases. But this fire of chaos burns away most and steels the most significant.

This is what I was talking about as the fingerprint of a Deus ex Machina.

IMO, the symbol of the burning heart

I understand the human condition, it was yesterdays personal lesson through my exchange with Knights Templar.
We can say the same thing and our egos will blind us.

That is why I summated my Idea of their perhaps being a symbol, a frequency, a transfigurative moment, perhaps generated by the fingerprint, the intelligent chaos. It is something we all unknowingly have an accord towards. It has no ego. it is the essence of a non biased, all loving god.

it transforms in spite of us.

Thank you for letting me bounce off of you in my convoluted, pretentious way. If anything is hard to grasp, just ask.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


I have been asking, and I'll continue. Normally, instead of directly asking things, I will try and dissect your words, and put them in my own words, then ask you if I am on target. I get a LOT more out of the information if I do it that way.

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What this has me thinking of is the rule of 7 and the particular tones the spheres emit and potential merges in tone that alter, especially in alignments with stellar and interstellar bodies.

Perhaps, it is the great Chronos churning a tune in the great galactic symphony?
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


I was having a dialogue with another person on one of Aether's threads, concerning something very similar to what you are talking about.

This change in tune you talk about...well, this guy says it is going to be a shift in the Planck constant that will manifest the new symphony for those able to hear the song.
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The question remains is there a uniting image/archetype that speaks to all without bias. Is there a chemical moment in the brain that transcends bias? Will there be a frequency that makes union of free will, A magical musical tone that unites an us and them?

 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Most certainly. But even then, it would be useless if the receiver isn't ready to receive it.


That's why you have all those long and tedious initiations and meditations etc...

If we could open minds with just a word or a symbol, that would be too easy :)

It's not the destination that matters, it's the journey.


Furthermore, even if we could awaken all minds at once, time would continue it's work and people would die while new souls would be born.

And then you have to start all over again :)
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The question remains is there a uniting image/archetype that speaks to all without bias. Is there a chemical moment in the brain that transcends bias? Will there be a frequency that makes union of free will, A magical musical tone that unites an us and them?

 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Most certainly. But even then, it would be useless if the receiver isn't ready to receive it.


That's why you have all those long and tedious initiations and meditations etc...

If we could open minds with just a word or a symbol, that would be too easy :)

It's not the destination that matters, it's the journey.


Furthermore, even if we could awaken all minds at once, time would continue it's work and people would die while new souls would be born.

And then you have to start all over again :)
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Oh and if it's a "unique" uniting archetype, it isn't dynamic anymore? Or maybe I'm missing something here?
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The question remains is there a uniting image/archetype that speaks to all without bias. Is there a chemical moment in the brain that transcends bias? Will there be a frequency that makes union of free will, A magical musical tone that unites an us and them?

 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Most certainly. But even then, it would be useless if the receiver isn't ready to receive it.


That's why you have all those long and tedious initiations and meditations etc...

If we could open minds with just a word or a symbol, that would be too easy :)

It's not the destination that matters, it's the journey.


Furthermore, even if we could awaken all minds at once, time would continue it's work and people would die while new souls would be born.

And then you have to start all over again :)
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lol, Maybe it's why my hair grows like a UHF antenna, Maybe hairstyles are deeper than we think.

But, the We or I is something I personally am trying to get away from. A soft I or We would be preferable. My life has left me with hard spikes and rhinocerros skin.

Yes, true unbiased transmission to a new generation would truly be spectacular and exactly what I'm talking about. It would be the free flow of information. Perhaps, the clues to the garden are caught in the degeneration of archetypal symbolism.
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What this has me thinking of is the rule of 7 and the particular tones the spheres emit and potential merges in tone that alter, especially in alignments with stellar and interstellar bodies.

Perhaps, it is the great Chronos churning a tune in the great galactic symphony?
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I was having a dialogue with another person on one of Aether's threads, concerning something very similar to what you are talking about.

This change in tune you talk about...well, this guy says it is going to be a shift in the Planck constant that will manifest the new symphony for those able to hear the song.
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Fantastic, the Idea would be to affix a powerful peer influence in the mix to make sure the fringes of even the curious or skeptical would be induced to participate.
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Thread: Archetype Branching and Shattering Paradigms
It starts as an archetype and it branches, splitting into different myths, different foundational 'Truths', isolating itself from itself as concepts are crystalized...different laws, different ideas of what it likes...and dislikes. On and on...

We are all so bound by these concepts that have been handed down, that we bind those concepts into our reality. When we bind ourselves to concepts, over time, constructs are put into place to make those concepts a reality into our worldview. And when the concepts turned constructs take root, the favor of bondage is returned...over and over, building and building, strengthening the chains and burying them deeper and deeper, rooting them into further isolation...separating generations further from the original truth...the original archetype. Distortion manifests.

Maybe that is what freedom is all about. Open mindedness, Free Will, Faith in your own self. They allow us to cross the ravines set in place between the branches...between pathways. To have the courage and strength...and resolve to make it through the blind spots inherent in such shadows beneath the walls of the ravines. Faith in yourself to step off the path, and find new ones that others are traversing. Find others to explore with you...helping to leave the isolation behind...finding ways to make it back Home...with friends.
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I prefer the diversity of personal experiences of their own realisation. It's much more entertaining and a source of never ending amazement.

I think it would become boring if there was a simple method to open all people minds. Then it would become mandatory, a kind of new dogma, and resistance would grow as people will start questionning it, requesting freedom of belief.


On the other hand, I can only marvel at anecdotes like that of this Dzogchen master who helped a student reaching full realisation after insulting him and throwing rocks at him (rocks that conveniently landed on his blocked energy points) :D


It's with things like that that you can truly say that the Universe works in mysterious way. And I like that way :p
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The question remains is there a uniting image/archetype that speaks to all without bias. Is there a chemical moment in the brain that transcends bias? Will there be a frequency that makes union of free will, A magical musical tone that unites an us and them?

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Most certainly. But even then, it would be useless if the receiver isn't ready to receive it.


That's why you have all those long and tedious initiations and meditations etc...

If we could open minds with just a word or a symbol, that would be too easy :)

It's not the destination that matters, it's the journey.


Furthermore, even if we could awaken all minds at once, time would continue it's work and people would die while new souls would be born.

And then you have to start all over again :)
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Oh and if it's a "unique" uniting archetype, it isn't dynamic anymore? Or maybe I'm missing something here?
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This is why I ask for participation; I am not the answer man, solely the geek tinkering with the ether.

My take on this is the Idea and the true free flow. Everyone goes down the river at their own pace and not everyone turns into Kurtz, an absolute immolating god looking for his anti.

The bias or change, the veil is interpretation coloured as well, by to coin Freudian terms an ego and superego. But, that is where choice lies, a unifying form must set the first or primary. it is not biased as it is a first principle that magnetizes any and all.

Am I making any sense?

Dynamism and a dynamic universe have their antithesis in union: As one, without at least equal other, will not propel or allow movement, by all our natural law philosophick and otherwise.

This is why many/most holy books hold the Idea that God is seperate from his creation, except for the uniting principle. All subsequent layers are schismatic by the introduction of choice or random generation.

Thank you for inducing the strong visual constructs.
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I prefer the diversity of personal experiences of their own realisation. It's much more entertaining and a source of never ending amazement.

I think it would become boring if there was a simple method to open all people minds. Then it would become mandatory, a kind of new dogma, and resistance would grow as people will start questionning it, requesting freedom of belief.


On the other hand, I can only marvel at anecdotes like that of this Dzogchen master who helped a student reaching full realisation after insulting him and throwing rocks at him (rocks that conveniently landed on his blocked energy points) :D


It's with things like that that you can truly say that the Universe works in mysterious way. And I like that way :p
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Thank you for being AC and me not being able to discern or care for who or what you are specifically.
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Thread: Archetype Branching and Shattering Paradigms
It starts as an archetype and it branches, splitting into different myths, different foundational 'Truths', isolating itself from itself as concepts are crystalized...different laws, different ideas of what it likes...and dislikes. On and on...

We are all so bound by these concepts that have been handed down, that we bind those concepts into our reality. When we bind ourselves to concepts, over time, constructs are put into place to make those concepts a reality into our worldview. And when the concepts turned constructs take root, the favor of bondage is returned...over and over, building and building, strengthening the chains and burying them deeper and deeper, rooting them into further isolation...separating generations further from the original truth...the original archetype. Distortion manifests.

Maybe that is what freedom is all about. Open mindedness, Free Will, Faith in your own self. They allow us to cross the ravines set in place between the branches...between pathways. To have the courage and strength...and resolve to make it through the blind spots inherent in such shadows beneath the walls of the ravines. Faith in yourself to step off the path, and find new ones that others are traversing. Find others to explore with you...helping to leave the isolation behind...finding ways to make it back Home...with friends.
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Yes, In accordance to that which we feel about for like blind men in the dark. Another Thunderbolt in the darkness of the void moment. Where God creates paradox by seeing his own light. The first, all seeing eye, vomitting chaos. Conciousness.
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I prefer the diversity of personal experiences of their own realisation. It's much more entertaining and a source of never ending amazement.

I think it would become boring if there was a simple method to open all people minds. Then it would become mandatory, a kind of new dogma, and resistance would grow as people will start questionning it, requesting freedom of belief.


On the other hand, I can only marvel at anecdotes like that of this Dzogchen master who helped a student reaching full realisation after insulting him and throwing rocks at him (rocks that conveniently landed on his blocked energy points) :D


It's with things like that that you can truly say that the Universe works in mysterious way. And I like that way :p
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Thank you for being AC and me not being able to discern or care for who or what you are specifically.
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And thank you for giving me the opportunity to think about those topics :)

I'm AC but we talked earlier in the thread with me having a Belgian flag.


Oh, and I love your style.
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I prefer the diversity of personal experiences of their own realisation. It's much more entertaining and a source of never ending amazement.

I think it would become boring if there was a simple method to open all people minds. Then it would become mandatory, a kind of new dogma, and resistance would grow as people will start questionning it, requesting freedom of belief.


On the other hand, I can only marvel at anecdotes like that of this Dzogchen master who helped a student reaching full realisation after insulting him and throwing rocks at him (rocks that conveniently landed on his blocked energy points) :D


It's with things like that that you can truly say that the Universe works in mysterious way. And I like that way :p
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Thank you for being AC and me not being able to discern or care for who or what you are specifically.
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And thank you for giving me the opportunity to think about those topics :)

I'm AC but we talked earlier in the thread with me having a Belgian flag.


Oh, and I love your style.
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Cheers my brother from the etheric mother of internets intercessions. I look forward to comingling again and please occasionally attack the geek.
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Time for me to keep the non etheric beings happy and do some mundane things.

Thanks for the sprinkling of energy to accentuate my day.
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lol, Maybe it's why my hair grows like a UHF antenna, Maybe hairstyles are deeper than we think.

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I have this curious idea that comes back sometimes, that the central nervous system is actually some kind of antenna.

Nerves endings being antennas for the receptors our senses use, and our brain being the antenna for Consciousness.

Now, is it humans who ended up developping an antenna to catch the surrounding Consciousness, or is Consciousness that shaped nice vehicles for It to walk the Earth?

Or a bit of both?
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Free thinking; Other interesting ideas from Tibetan buddhism (Yeah I know it's my current source of inspiration, I'm reading the Bardo Thodol right now):

Brahma is among the common gods found in the Pali Canon. Brahma (in common with all other devas) is subject to change, final decline and death, just as are all other sentient beings in samsara (the plane of continual reincarnation and suffering). In fact there are several different Brahma worlds and several kinds of Brahmas in Buddhism, all of which however are just beings stuck in samsara for a long while. Sir Charles Eliot describes attitudes towards Brahma in early Buddhism as follows:

There comes a time when this world system passes away and then certain beings are reborn in the "World of Radiance" and remain there a long time. Sooner or later, the world system begins to evolve again and the palace of Brahma appears, but it is empty. Then some being whose time is up falls from the "World of Radiance" and comes to life in the palace and remains there alone. At last he wishes for company, and it so happens that other beings whose time is up fall from the "World of Radiance" and join him. And the first being thinks that he is Great Brahma, the Creator, because when he felt lonely and wished for companions other beings appeared. And the other beings accept this view. And at last one of Brahma’s retinue falls from that state and is born in the human world and, if he can remember his previous birth, he reflects that he is transitory but that Brahma still remains and from this he draws the erroneous conclusion that Brahma is eternal.

While in Hindu texts some of these gods and goddesses are considered embodiments of the Supreme Being. The Buddhist view was that all gods and goddesses were bound to samsara. The world of gods according to the Buddha presents a being with too many pleasures and distractions.





I don't know what to make of this. It's... thought-provoking :)

Other texts describe these gods and they bear a striking resemblance to our modern societies: when a god will soon die, the other gods feel embarassed and leave him to die alone, only to throw flowers from afar. These gods are bound to samsara so they can't understand their true spiritual nature, and basically suffer of the same thing as the average humans.
On the other hand the buddhist master knows the spiritual reality and will try to comfort the dying and guide him through his journey.

It is even said that the Buddha tried to correct these gods from their mistakes...
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A friday the 13th, sinister (left handed) thunk.

When Analyzing the parts of a system, it is easy to lose sight of the synergy of the dynamic moving body.

It is the handlebar of a bicycle, not implying the context of the whole, but dead function.

It is the serial killer: dissecting, looking for innocence lost, in ritual, misunderstood and misunderstanding.

Everyone sees the blood but not the mirrors of original light which burned into memory. The corrupting moment of misery and pain repeating.

My tears make my joy. I understand through my revulsion. shock.

Loss of the whole results in pornography; fascination for the parts without the synergy of the whole.

you are screwing a dead memory, long rotted.

you are drugging yourself without the realization that every experience is a catalyst.

It should be burned into memory, the smells, the thoughts, never needing to be repeated or you will be subject to the knowledge of loss.

No repetition. Growth

No bias, good or bad, it is, as you must struggle to see.

Are you the victim of Shivas vapors or Gods dream?

Understand the mutable by understanding the unchanging.

Welcome to my introduction. Paging Dr Benway: Someone is looking for William.

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