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How the Illuminati Really Began.

 
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Was there ever a trace of the word "Illuminati" as a mystical society before the XVIIIth century?

Me think not.


Now don't get me wrong, there were mystery schools, gnostic sects, secret hermetic societies, lonely alchemists and Greek philosophers and there followers.

All influencing each others, all influenced by their predecessors, all leaving scriptures for their heirs to be inspired. But to believe there ever was ONE leading group, with one single hierarchy and one immutable teaching, that's wishful thinking.

Wise and enlightened people each adding their stone to the monument, sometimes disagreeing and fighting, sometimes sharing common belief and banding together for a few centuries, that I can believe.

But "Illuminati" as a continuous group from the Golden Age till today?

Ahahah, seriously? You guys.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8533197


Before that they were called SHINING ONES

They were tall with shining pale skin (with a luminese light) White/blonde hair. Blue Eyes.

They were Gods who came down to teach man.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI


You're so full of disinfo. Blue eyes are predominately what is mainline masonry today, not illuminati. Scots / green eyes are traditional illuminati, ie, respecting the individual, prophecy, spreading the kingdom, etc.
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Green eyes are the mutation around meditteranean Celts stemming from migrations of the east and middle east. Solely, why I brought up the historical correlation between Scots and those in the Balkans.

These Ideas fused from Egyptian, Persian, Grecian and Indian subcontinent vedic and Celtic earth fertility practices.

Blue eyes stemmed from a migration north of the caucauses and found itself in the UK much later from Danish and Viking incursions.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Correct, but they are predominately in the northern parts of the British isles these days (Scotland / Ireland). Large concentrated population in northwest India / Afghanistan that are direct descendants of the messiah too.
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Wasn't it the wanderer, Pythagoras, that accumulated ancient traditions knowledge and secrets from the 'higher-ups' in a variety of cultures...then went back and started a secret 'school' to teach others what he cumulatively learned by combining all the many secret teachings?
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I wholeheartedly concur, but are you saying that there has been no continuation in knowledge?
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Yes, no continuation. Evolution.

Just like Nature evolves, so do ideas.

Any honest student of the ancient philosophies can only marvel at the similarity of the core teachings, and yet at the countless discrepancies and contradiction of some concepts.

So for me, there's only one Truth, and it is very simple (could be summarized in one sentence). Everything else is details and subject to personal bias.
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I semantically disagree. Otherwise it would be the Ideas and not the prosaic dressing around them which would change. There cannot solely be one truth since all natural laws dictate oppositional dichotomies to create a dynamic universe.

It's the nature of the material plane. It is simply the waves that test the mettle of the rocks and create the diaspora of the sand. For the heat to eventually fuse them back to the beginning.

Did I mention it was hard to hold a coherent Idea while 3 sons sing different songs.

There can only be one while the universe is stopped to sleep perchance to dream while god inhales.
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Correct, but they are predominately in the northern parts of the British isles these days (Scotland / Ireland). Large concentrated population in northwest India / Afghanistan that are direct descendants of the messiah too.
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I hate it when people mix up mysticism, millenarism and racism. Hopefully it's only very typical to a certain part of the world, resulting from the cultural craddle you can find there.
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Wasn't it the wanderer, Pythagoras, that accumulated ancient traditions knowledge and secrets from the 'higher-ups' in a variety of cultures...then went back and started a secret 'school' to teach others what he cumulatively learned by combining all the many secret teachings?
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The Ten Degrees of the Illuminati were based on the planetary initiations and the Pythagorean system, yes.
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Correct, but they are predominately in the northern parts of the British isles these days (Scotland / Ireland). Large concentrated population in northwest India / Afghanistan that are direct descendants of the messiah too.
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I hate it when people mix up mysticism, millenarism and racism. Hopefully it's only very typical to a certain part of the world, resulting from the cultural craddle you can find there.
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Funny, I just mentioned that whole potpourri of peoples fusing and melding in the Balkans. How can there be any racism when the truth is apparent. But, their was a schism that ran over and under the caucauses.
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I wholeheartedly concur, but are you saying that there has been no continuation in knowledge?
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Yes, no continuation. Evolution.

Just like Nature evolves, so do ideas.

Any honest student of the ancient philosophies can only marvel at the similarity of the core teachings, and yet at the countless discrepancies and contradiction of some concepts.

So for me, there's only one Truth, and it is very simple (could be summarized in one sentence). Everything else is details and subject to personal bias.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8533197


I semantically disagree. Otherwise it would be the Ideas and not the prosaic dressing around them which would change. There cannot solely be one truth since all natural laws dictate oppositional dichotomies to create a dynamic universe.

It's the nature of the material plane. It is simply the waves that test the mettle of the rocks and create the diaspora of the sand. For the heat to eventually fuse them back to the beginning.

Did I mention it was hard to hold a coherent Idea while 3 sons sing different songs.

There can only be one while the universe is stopped to sleep perchance to dream while god inhales.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


You write very poetic, Profound.

The new motto of the Illuminati has been : WE ARE ONE.
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Wasn't it the wanderer, Pythagoras, that accumulated ancient traditions knowledge and secrets from the 'higher-ups' in a variety of cultures...then went back and started a secret 'school' to teach others what he cumulatively learned by combining all the many secret teachings?
 Quoting: SickScent


The Ten Degrees of the Illuminati were based on the planetary initiations and the Pythagorean system, yes.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI


Good. I am trying to filter the information I get. Seems most is spot on.
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Correct, but they are predominately in the northern parts of the British isles these days (Scotland / Ireland). Large concentrated population in northwest India / Afghanistan that are direct descendants of the messiah too.
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I hate it when people mix up mysticism, millenarism and racism. Hopefully it's only very typical to a certain part of the world, resulting from the cultural craddle you can find there.
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A Belgian would think that since they aren't even from a real country, can't form a government, and are on the verge of being absorbed into neighboring states. History is full of competing cultures, just reality. Has nothing to do with racism.
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Correct, but they are predominately in the northern parts of the British isles these days (Scotland / Ireland). Large concentrated population in northwest India / Afghanistan that are direct descendants of the messiah too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6532041


I hate it when people mix up mysticism, millenarism and racism. Hopefully it's only very typical to a certain part of the world, resulting from the cultural craddle you can find there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8533197


A Belgian would think that since they aren't even from a real country, can't form a government, and are on the verge of being absorbed into neighboring states. History is full of competing cultures, just reality. Has nothing to do with racism.
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:moe:
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I wholeheartedly concur, but are you saying that there has been no continuation in knowledge?
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Yes, no continuation. Evolution.

Just like Nature evolves, so do ideas.

Any honest student of the ancient philosophies can only marvel at the similarity of the core teachings, and yet at the countless discrepancies and contradiction of some concepts.

So for me, there's only one Truth, and it is very simple (could be summarized in one sentence). Everything else is details and subject to personal bias.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8533197


I semantically disagree. Otherwise it would be the Ideas and not the prosaic dressing around them which would change. There cannot solely be one truth since all natural laws dictate oppositional dichotomies to create a dynamic universe.

It's the nature of the material plane. It is simply the waves that test the mettle of the rocks.

There can only be one while the universe is stopped to sleep perchance to dream while god inhales.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus



And yet, the "natural laws" can be considered as immutable truths too.

The reason why there's one unchanging esoteric knowledge as opposed to changing exoteric knowledge, is that this esoteric knowledge originates from the natural and metaphysical laws governing mankind.

The "prosaic dressing" on the other hand is changing with the cultural environment of the moment.


Furthermore, you seem to further prove my point, if truth is always changing, no secret society like the so-called "Illuminati" could have survived up to tdoay?
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Correct, but they are predominately in the northern parts of the British isles these days (Scotland / Ireland). Large concentrated population in northwest India / Afghanistan that are direct descendants of the messiah too.
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I hate it when people mix up mysticism, millenarism and racism. Hopefully it's only very typical to a certain part of the world, resulting from the cultural craddle you can find there.
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A Belgian would think that since they aren't even from a real country, can't form a government, and are on the verge of being absorbed into neighboring states. History is full of competing cultures, just reality. Has nothing to do with racism.
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Who needs a government anyway? :p You?

"on the verge of being absorbed into neighboring states" ahaha, are we now?
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I wholeheartedly concur, but are you saying that there has been no continuation in knowledge?
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Yes, no continuation. Evolution.

Just like Nature evolves, so do ideas.

Any honest student of the ancient philosophies can only marvel at the similarity of the core teachings, and yet at the countless discrepancies and contradiction of some concepts.

So for me, there's only one Truth, and it is very simple (could be summarized in one sentence). Everything else is details and subject to personal bias.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8533197


I semantically disagree. Otherwise it would be the Ideas and not the prosaic dressing around them which would change. There cannot solely be one truth since all natural laws dictate oppositional dichotomies to create a dynamic universe.

It's the nature of the material plane. It is simply the waves that test the mettle of the rocks and create the diaspora of the sand. For the heat to eventually fuse them back to the beginning.

Did I mention it was hard to hold a coherent Idea while 3 sons sing different songs.

There can only be one while the universe is stopped to sleep perchance to dream while god inhales.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


You write very poetic, Profound.

The new motto of the Illuminati has been : WE ARE ONE.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI


Cheers, I try to demystify that which I was taught as a child and explain that we are truly of the worthiness and ability to see evident truth.

The company of surfers and self described rockstars has led to the proclivities of using florid language, even when trying to logically tie together all the strings.

Besides I do find the seven sounds of music and seven dominant colours of art to be the easiest way to reach people.
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History is full of competing cultures, just reality. Has nothing to do with racism.
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Eye color has nothing to do with cultures.
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The new motto of the Illuminati has been : WE ARE ONE.
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Hi buddy, may I ask you this:

Since when?

Why changing motto?
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Yes, no continuation. Evolution.

Just like Nature evolves, so do ideas.

Any honest student of the ancient philosophies can only marvel at the similarity of the core teachings, and yet at the countless discrepancies and contradiction of some concepts.

So for me, there's only one Truth, and it is very simple (could be summarized in one sentence). Everything else is details and subject to personal bias.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8533197


I semantically disagree. Otherwise it would be the Ideas and not the prosaic dressing around them which would change. There cannot solely be one truth since all natural laws dictate oppositional dichotomies to create a dynamic universe.

It's the nature of the material plane. It is simply the waves that test the mettle of the rocks and create the diaspora of the sand. For the heat to eventually fuse them back to the beginning.

Did I mention it was hard to hold a coherent Idea while 3 sons sing different songs.

There can only be one while the universe is stopped to sleep perchance to dream while god inhales.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


You write very poetic, Profound.

The new motto of the Illuminati has been : WE ARE ONE.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI


Cheers, I try to demystify that which I was taught as a child and explain that we are truly of the worthiness and ability to see evident truth.

The company of surfers and self described rockstars has led to the proclivities of using florid language, even when trying to logically tie together all the strings.

Besides I do find the seven sounds of music and seven dominant colours of art to be the easiest way to reach people.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Yeah...us surfers kick ass.
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I semantically disagree. Otherwise it would be the Ideas and not the prosaic dressing around them which would change. There cannot solely be one truth since all natural laws dictate oppositional dichotomies to create a dynamic universe.

It's the nature of the material plane. It is simply the waves that test the mettle of the rocks.

There can only be one while the universe is stopped to sleep perchance to dream while god inhales.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus




I get your point now :)

I was meaning ideas (what you call prosaic dressing) evolve. But Ideas (metaphysical archetype) don't.

So I have to agree with you now that this has been semantically precised.
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History is full of competing cultures, just reality. Has nothing to do with racism.
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Eye color has nothing to do with cultures.
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It has every thing to do with tracing, understanding and demystifying. It is just a clue and a pattern to see how and why we moved and evolved. Culture is just a construct of language. Language impedes or allows our art. Art flowers that which is hard to percieve and sets fires that break down the monolithic Idiomatic chastisment of culture and causes the new form.

Let the waves roll onto the beach.
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I love it when I try to post some link, and GLP won't allow it.

Especially certain links.
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I semantically disagree. Otherwise it would be the Ideas and not the prosaic dressing around them which would change. There cannot solely be one truth since all natural laws dictate oppositional dichotomies to create a dynamic universe.

It's the nature of the material plane. It is simply the waves that test the mettle of the rocks.

There can only be one while the universe is stopped to sleep perchance to dream while god inhales.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus




I get your point now :)

I was meaning ideas (what you call prosaic dressing) evolve. But Ideas (metaphysical archetype) don't.

So I have to agree with you now that this has been semantically precised.
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No worries, You have me in a freeflow jam. It's why I say I hate lies and ego. They obstruct flow. Let me jam, let me feel the tip of the wave and it lets all my ideas coalesce into a fluid form. Until the kids have a shit explosion in their diapers. Then I am papa. but, The flow goes on. That's also why I am a stickler for logic and cut myself with that razor often. But the fires will reunite.
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History is full of competing cultures, just reality. Has nothing to do with racism.
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Eye color has nothing to do with cultures.
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It has every thing to do with tracing, understanding and demystifying. It is just a clue and a pattern to see how and why we moved and evolved. Culture is just a construct of language. Language impedes or allows our art. Art flowers that which is hard to percieve and sets fires that break down the monolithic Idiomatic chastisment of culture and causes the new form.

Let the waves roll onto the beach.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Are you actually backing up such bullshit:

"Blue eyes are predominately what is mainline masonry today, not illuminati. Scots / green eyes are traditional illuminati, ie, respecting the individual, prophecy, spreading the kingdom, etc."

Also "direct descendant of the Messiah".


Because THAT is what I cannot agree with. "Green eyes respecting the individuals..." What kind of crap is that?
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I love it when I try to post some link, and GLP won't allow it.

Especially certain links.
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No worries, I'm still waiting for the bane that will obscure my words into electronic drizzle. But again, like unrecorded music, it will blare anew from the instrument that was forged to make it.
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History is full of competing cultures, just reality. Has nothing to do with racism.
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Eye color has nothing to do with cultures.
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It has every thing to do with tracing, understanding and demystifying. It is just a clue and a pattern to see how and why we moved and evolved. Culture is just a construct of language. Language impedes or allows our art. Art flowers that which is hard to percieve and sets fires that break down the monolithic Idiomatic chastisment of culture and causes the new form.

Let the waves roll onto the beach.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Are you actually backing up such bullshit:

"Blue eyes are predominately what is mainline masonry today, not illuminati. Scots / green eyes are traditional illuminati, ie, respecting the individual, prophecy, spreading the kingdom, etc."

Also "direct descendant of the Messiah".


Because THAT is what I cannot agree with. "Green eyes respecting the individuals..." What kind of crap is that?
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Lol, I'm not on either side of the issue. I have no vested interest. I simply said that the prevalent meditteranean mutation due to the influx of southern caucauses peoples were green. Blue eyes were predominantly on the north side of the caucauses and came down when the circle was complete. If that makes no sense, i'm typing with one hand and grabbing pickle jars from fridge raiders with the other. So please, be specific.

I also made reference to Scots and the war in the balkans and the connection of Celtic peoples.
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The new motto of the Illuminati has been : WE ARE ONE.
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So are you guys like, buddhists, now?

:)
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Eye color has nothing to do with cultures.
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It has every thing to do with tracing, understanding and demystifying. It is just a clue and a pattern to see how and why we moved and evolved. Culture is just a construct of language. Language impedes or allows our art. Art flowers that which is hard to percieve and sets fires that break down the monolithic Idiomatic chastisment of culture and causes the new form.

Let the waves roll onto the beach.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Are you actually backing up such bullshit:

"Blue eyes are predominately what is mainline masonry today, not illuminati. Scots / green eyes are traditional illuminati, ie, respecting the individual, prophecy, spreading the kingdom, etc."

Also "direct descendant of the Messiah".


Because THAT is what I cannot agree with. "Green eyes respecting the individuals..." What kind of crap is that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8533197


Lol, I'm not on either side of the issue. I have no vested interest. I simply said that the prevalent meditteranean mutation due to the influx of southern caucauses peoples were green. Blue eyes were predominantly on the north side of the caucauses and came down when the circle was complete. If that makes no sense, i'm typing with one hand and grabbing pickle jars from fridge raiders with the other. So please, be specific.

I also made reference to Scots and the war in the balkans and the connection of Celtic peoples.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


time to go play lego star wars with the kids. I think we have already agreed on my semantic terminology and I never exclude people(s); As to do so would be to disclude myself.
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Lol, I'm not on either side of the issue. I have no vested interest. I simply said that the prevalent meditteranean mutation due to the influx of southern caucauses peoples were green. Blue eyes were predominantly on the north side of the caucauses and came down when the circle was complete. If that makes no sense, i'm typing with one hand and grabbing pickle jars from fridge raiders with the other. So please, be specific.

I also made reference to Scots and the war in the balkans and the connection of Celtic peoples.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Nevermind, this shit isn't interesting. I prefer the other things you posted :)

Please proceed with your flow and don't mind this little escapade. :p
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I love it when I try to post some link, and GLP won't allow it.

Especially certain links.
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No worries, I'm still waiting for the bane that will obscure my words into electronic drizzle. But again, like unrecorded music, it will blare anew from the instrument that was forged to make it.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


It is somewhat of an 'Illuminati' site, so it was interesting that it is blocked.
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The new motto of the Illuminati has been : WE ARE ONE.
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So are you guys like, buddhists, now?

:)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8533197


Address specifically please; I have no Idea who's who. I don't claim to be superman and can only vest a small percentage of my faculties to bickering.

And black, red or yellow hat?

White or black Magic?
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It has every thing to do with tracing, understanding and demystifying. It is just a clue and a pattern to see how and why we moved and evolved. Culture is just a construct of language. Language impedes or allows our art. Art flowers that which is hard to percieve and sets fires that break down the monolithic Idiomatic chastisment of culture and causes the new form.

Let the waves roll onto the beach.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Are you actually backing up such bullshit:

"Blue eyes are predominately what is mainline masonry today, not illuminati. Scots / green eyes are traditional illuminati, ie, respecting the individual, prophecy, spreading the kingdom, etc."

Also "direct descendant of the Messiah".


Because THAT is what I cannot agree with. "Green eyes respecting the individuals..." What kind of crap is that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8533197


Lol, I'm not on either side of the issue. I have no vested interest. I simply said that the prevalent meditteranean mutation due to the influx of southern caucauses peoples were green. Blue eyes were predominantly on the north side of the caucauses and came down when the circle was complete. If that makes no sense, i'm typing with one hand and grabbing pickle jars from fridge raiders with the other. So please, be specific.

I also made reference to Scots and the war in the balkans and the connection of Celtic peoples.
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time to go play lego star wars with the kids. I think we have already agreed on my semantic terminology and I never exclude people(s); As to do so would be to disclude myself.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Which legos Star Wars character will you be?

Me, I'm Hans Solo. :kickass:
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I love it when I try to post some link, and GLP won't allow it.

Especially certain links.
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No worries, I'm still waiting for the bane that will obscure my words into electronic drizzle. But again, like unrecorded music, it will blare anew from the instrument that was forged to make it.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


It is somewhat of an 'Illuminati' site, so it was interesting that it is blocked.
 Quoting: SickScent


Heck, I'm part of he Illuminutti; the door is always open, as are the books and banter; And the coffee is flowing in abundance.

Cheers

May the farce be with you

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