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How the Illuminati Really Began.

 
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Attila the Hun: I thought that the War God had refused me a sign, but I was wrong. What better sign than an enemy prepared to fight? »

Attila the Hun: Trickery and deceit. That is the way of the Romans, not of the Huns.
Flavius Aetius: Yes, but which way rules the world? »

Attila the Hun: You Romans play with kings and nations as a child plays with toys.
Flavius Aetius: I go back to Rome soon. Come with me, and learn how the world is ruled. Find out if Rome really does play with nations as though they were toys. There is no-one like you in Rome, and no-one like me here. You and I can do great things together.
Attila the Hun: If we don't kill each other first. »

Bleda: Rua died without issue. I am the elder son of his brother, and so am rightfully king.
Attila the Hun: To what purpose? To fight in the service of Rome or some other nation?
Bleda: We will live as Huns have always lived. What else should we do?
Attila the Hun: We should rule the world! »

Flavius Aetius: (about Attila) "A few more like him, and Rome could conquer the world all over again." »

Flavius Aetius: Civilized men are easy to conquer, but civilization still belongs to the civilized, not the barbarians.
Attila the Hun: It belongs to whoever is strong enough to take it. »

Flavius Aetius: Let's make a bargain here and now, a treaty of peace between your people and mine.
Attila the Hun: I think that's the first sign of weakness I've seen you show." »

Honoria: Don't worry, he'll be out of them soon enough. »

Honoria: I say that if a woman can only have power through a man, then let it be with the most powerful man she can find. »

Placidia: Actius, you told me that if Attila attacked the West it would be on your head, do you begin to feel the WEIGHT? »

Young Attila: Kneel
Young Attila: Submit to me and live. »
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Attila the Hun: I thought that the War God had refused me a sign, but I was wrong. What better sign than an enemy prepared to fight? »

Attila the Hun: Trickery and deceit. That is the way of the Romans, not of the Huns.
Flavius Aetius: Yes, but which way rules the world? »

Attila the Hun: You Romans play with kings and nations as a child plays with toys.
Flavius Aetius: I go back to Rome soon. Come with me, and learn how the world is ruled. Find out if Rome really does play with nations as though they were toys. There is no-one like you in Rome, and no-one like me here. You and I can do great things together.
Attila the Hun: If we don't kill each other first. »

Bleda: Rua died without issue. I am the elder son of his brother, and so am rightfully king.
Attila the Hun: To what purpose? To fight in the service of Rome or some other nation?
Bleda: We will live as Huns have always lived. What else should we do?
Attila the Hun: We should rule the world! »

Flavius Aetius: (about Attila) "A few more like him, and Rome could conquer the world all over again." »

Flavius Aetius: Civilized men are easy to conquer, but civilization still belongs to the civilized, not the barbarians.
Attila the Hun: It belongs to whoever is strong enough to take it. »

Flavius Aetius: Let's make a bargain here and now, a treaty of peace between your people and mine.
Attila the Hun: I think that's the first sign of weakness I've seen you show." »

Honoria: Don't worry, he'll be out of them soon enough. »

Honoria: I say that if a woman can only have power through a man, then let it be with the most powerful man she can find. »

Placidia: Actius, you told me that if Attila attacked the West it would be on your head, do you begin to feel the WEIGHT? »

Young Attila: Kneel
Young Attila: Submit to me and live. »
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Attila shall be the next subject of Jung. As Freud shall counter with William T Sherman and Jesse James.

Lol, it's like a macabre version of bill and Teds Excellent Adventure.
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I suppose there is a difference between learning history and reliving it?
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I suppose there is a difference between learning history and reliving it?
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There is a vast gap. that's likely why we are cycling it over again.

Ghosts aren't free until their tales have been understood, not read.

Reincarnation or in my church reintardation.
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The fool card

The madman

The Beggar

Representative of zero.

Neutral charge and piercing the heart.

Inductive and deductive field.

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The heart of the modern city beats with commerce.
All souls are induced to this measure.
Distilled by the straight line purpose of roads.
No meandering of rivers.
Direct Intent.
All that cannot be weighed will be counted.
The pure heart has no weight
The pure heart no charge
The pure heart has no place
Meat is weighed
Slaves are counted
Roadways are slaughter chutes to the soul

Dis content

All contents are packed by weight not volume
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The dope and political constructs. Essential realms in the control construct.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Scythian war tents and their burnt cubes of cannabis

Delphic Oracles and their hashish encrusted walls

The madness of Salem Induced by the blighting of Ergot

Concious disconnect

Click

The Essenes and the Agaric

The Northern berserker and cubensis

Clash

The Skull and Crossbones and white china

Control
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Out of the clouds and into the dirt. Same processes, different perspectives. As on high, electrical charges coalesce, balance and dissipate. Instead of gases and static; we have mineral solids and more consistent fields.

Soil constituents play a large part in neutralizing or charging environments. Protons are acidic or acid. Electrons are bitter or alkaline. As hydrogen is a charged solvent, it plays a major factor in the metabolizing or catabolizing of soil constituents.

Plants, due to their inability to move, rely on the static nature of environment to fulfil their functions and have complex systems to neutralize their environment.

We as people, with the ability to move, are more beholden to choice or environment. If homeostasis is challenged by alka- or acidosis; We must rely on available foodstuffs to play a role in balancing neutral.

With the prevalence of meats, sugars and salts. A literal bipole war is being waged, not only with homeostatic function but with the field we generate superfluous to them.

The yin yan is indicative of the thin line of neutral and it's importance. The scattered or consistently recalibrating mind is the visual metaphor of strife. It also undermines intent and harmony on the basic level; As it is the doorway to stress and dissolution and the clamouring for external salvations.
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The will o wisp and the world wide orb phenomenon.


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As Kabta, the god of bricks is likely Nimrod and Geshtu'e is the body and blood that was torn and ripped and pressed into clay to have Enki create man; We have torn down and put up a huge informational substructure to support the pyramid of symbolic informational flow.

Nimrod being the repeating symbol of pride as man tries to elevate himself. Geshtu'e being the repeating of sacrifice to this elevation or potential thereof.

Three arch creator gods also find themselves inextricably woven into most symbolic constructs inherent in our mythologies.

Beyond this creational/informational edifice stand the two substructures which interweave with the plasmic sea of informational capacitance; The control structure and the goal.

The goal stands as obscured by the control structure as to almost infer them as twins or perhaps a binary structure locked in an eternal dance of gravitational intent.

The stated goal of all life is to survive and in the context of survival confer advantage. To confer advantage is to create ego/bias and control information flow.

Metaphysically, the ultimate goal is to decode control structures and to elevate oneself to a heaven/eden/paradise.
This again created a rift in cultural structures since an unknown outcome created an ambiguity of intentional paradigms.It also called forth cultural context to furnish an Ideal of ones ultimate paradise.

To the warrior society a final resting place of peace and harmony is as counterintuitive as a love cult having a heaven of discord and toil. This is the variable which became most exploited to create the control substructure. Likely, the reason that purely intellectual sects such as the gnostics divorced themselves of mass organizational structures and were ultimately destroyed by them. As need is as individual as the individual.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Just FYI, the gnostics have never went away. The Templars, Rosicrucians and Freemasons are living proof of this fact.

Idol1

In regards to your comment, "Metaphysically, the ultimate goal is to decode control structures and to elevate oneself to a heaven/eden/paradise."

Here are my thoughts:

Those of us who are spiritualists that are reincarnated as slaves into this materialistic society managed by a scientific, corporate and government dictatorship realize from day 1, that something ain't rite and one of our main goals if to become free from monetary and tax slavery. Hence, it is NOT in our "souls" to be slaves governed by tyrants, thieves and immoral bastards. This is why many of us good souls rebel and are called outlaws or men of sin when in fact we are most likely sons of God imprisoned in the same Babylon of a system that we helped create.

Bede 1

Just as my ancestor Moses had done, I will also try to lead my peoples out of slavery.

Our time has com

The Gnostics never went away, they just aligned with the Romans via the New Testament to create a one world order of unity and peace. Hence, the warrior society could not survive without the Gnostics and vice versa for they are now joined at the head for the divine goal of a heavenly homeland where ORDO rules and CHAO was just a means to justify these divine ends.

st john and the

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As Kabta, the god of bricks is likely Nimrod and Geshtu'e is the body and blood that was torn and ripped and pressed into clay to have Enki create man; We have torn down and put up a huge informational substructure to support the pyramid of symbolic informational flow.

Nimrod being the repeating symbol of pride as man tries to elevate himself. Geshtu'e being the repeating of sacrifice to this elevation or potential thereof.

Three arch creator gods also find themselves inextricably woven into most symbolic constructs inherent in our mythologies.

Beyond this creational/informational edifice stand the two substructures which interweave with the plasmic sea of informational capacitance; The control structure and the goal.

The goal stands as obscured by the control structure as to almost infer them as twins or perhaps a binary structure locked in an eternal dance of gravitational intent.

The stated goal of all life is to survive and in the context of survival confer advantage. To confer advantage is to create ego/bias and control information flow.

Metaphysically, the ultimate goal is to decode control structures and to elevate oneself to a heaven/eden/paradise.
This again created a rift in cultural structures since an unknown outcome created an ambiguity of intentional paradigms.It also called forth cultural context to furnish an Ideal of ones ultimate paradise.

To the warrior society a final resting place of peace and harmony is as counterintuitive as a love cult having a heaven of discord and toil. This is the variable which became most exploited to create the control substructure. Likely, the reason that purely intellectual sects such as the gnostics divorced themselves of mass organizational structures and were ultimately destroyed by them. As need is as individual as the individual.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Just FYI, the gnostics have never went away. The Templars, Rosicrucians and Freemasons are living proof of this fact.

Idol1

In regards to your comment, "Metaphysically, the ultimate goal is to decode control structures and to elevate oneself to a heaven/eden/paradise."

Here are my thoughts:

Those of us who are spiritualists that are reincarnated as slaves into this materialistic society managed by a scientific, corporate and government dictatorship realize from day 1, that something ain't rite and one of our main goals if to become free from monetary and tax slavery. Hence, it is NOT in our "souls" to be slaves governed by tyrants, thieves and immoral bastards. This is why many of us good souls rebel and are called outlaws or men of sin when in fact we are most likely sons of God imprisoned in the same Babylon of a system that we helped create.

:Bede 1:

Just as my ancestor Moses had done, I will also try to lead my peoples out of slavery.

:Our time has com:

The Gnostics never went away, they just aligned with the Romans via the New Testament to create a one world order of unity and peace. Hence, the warrior society could not survive without the Gnostics and vice versa for they are now joined at the head for the divine goal of a heavenly homeland where ORDO rules and CHAO was just a means to justify these divine ends.

:st john and the :
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


As Am I. I've said I was born to it and of it; not that I came to it or found agreement to it.

Forced conversions and intimidation caused many to occlude their beliefs. Those who were overt were slaughtered.

If it were't for these conversions, the number of Hebrews and Gnostics would be abundant indeed.

This was also the model that besieged the new world and the destruction of Native creeds of varying ilks and the call for self loathing.
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The Raven is to the Natives of America as Loki is to the Northern Europeans and the Fool to the Southern.
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As Kabta, the god of bricks is likely Nimrod and Geshtu'e is the body and blood that was torn and ripped and pressed into clay to have Enki create man; We have torn down and put up a huge informational substructure to support the pyramid of symbolic informational flow.

Nimrod being the repeating symbol of pride as man tries to elevate himself. Geshtu'e being the repeating of sacrifice to this elevation or potential thereof.

Three arch creator gods also find themselves inextricably woven into most symbolic constructs inherent in our mythologies.

Beyond this creational/informational edifice stand the two substructures which interweave with the plasmic sea of informational capacitance; The control structure and the goal.

The goal stands as obscured by the control structure as to almost infer them as twins or perhaps a binary structure locked in an eternal dance of gravitational intent.

The stated goal of all life is to survive and in the context of survival confer advantage. To confer advantage is to create ego/bias and control information flow.

Metaphysically, the ultimate goal is to decode control structures and to elevate oneself to a heaven/eden/paradise.
This again created a rift in cultural structures since an unknown outcome created an ambiguity of intentional paradigms.It also called forth cultural context to furnish an Ideal of ones ultimate paradise.

To the warrior society a final resting place of peace and harmony is as counterintuitive as a love cult having a heaven of discord and toil. This is the variable which became most exploited to create the control substructure. Likely, the reason that purely intellectual sects such as the gnostics divorced themselves of mass organizational structures and were ultimately destroyed by them. As need is as individual as the individual.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Just FYI, the gnostics have never went away. The Templars, Rosicrucians and Freemasons are living proof of this fact.

Idol1

In regards to your comment, "Metaphysically, the ultimate goal is to decode control structures and to elevate oneself to a heaven/eden/paradise."

Here are my thoughts:

Those of us who are spiritualists that are reincarnated as slaves into this materialistic society managed by a scientific, corporate and government dictatorship realize from day 1, that something ain't rite and one of our main goals if to become free from monetary and tax slavery. Hence, it is NOT in our "souls" to be slaves governed by tyrants, thieves and immoral bastards. This is why many of us good souls rebel and are called outlaws or men of sin when in fact we are most likely sons of God imprisoned in the same Babylon of a system that we helped create.

:Bede 1:

Just as my ancestor Moses had done, I will also try to lead my peoples out of slavery.

:Our time has com:

The Gnostics never went away, they just aligned with the Romans via the New Testament to create a one world order of unity and peace. Hence, the warrior society could not survive without the Gnostics and vice versa for they are now joined at the head for the divine goal of a heavenly homeland where ORDO rules and CHAO was just a means to justify these divine ends.

:st john and the :
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


As Am I. I've said I was born to it and of it; not that I came to it or found agreement to it.

Forced conversions and intimidation caused many to occlude their beliefs. Those who were overt were slaughtered.

If it were't for these conversions, the number of Hebrews and Gnostics would be abundant indeed.

This was also the model that besieged the new world and the destruction of Native creeds of varying ilks and the call for self loathing.

Always glad to have your thoughts, essentially the same opinion with a different semantic bent.

Cheers, As always.
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As Kabta, the god of bricks is likely Nimrod and Geshtu'e is the body and blood that was torn and ripped and pressed into clay to have Enki create man; We have torn down and put up a huge informational substructure to support the pyramid of symbolic informational flow.

Nimrod being the repeating symbol of pride as man tries to elevate himself. Geshtu'e being the repeating of sacrifice to this elevation or potential thereof.

Three arch creator gods also find themselves inextricably woven into most symbolic constructs inherent in our mythologies.

Beyond this creational/informational edifice stand the two substructures which interweave with the plasmic sea of informational capacitance; The control structure and the goal.

The goal stands as obscured by the control structure as to almost infer them as twins or perhaps a binary structure locked in an eternal dance of gravitational intent.

The stated goal of all life is to survive and in the context of survival confer advantage. To confer advantage is to create ego/bias and control information flow.

Metaphysically, the ultimate goal is to decode control structures and to elevate oneself to a heaven/eden/paradise.
This again created a rift in cultural structures since an unknown outcome created an ambiguity of intentional paradigms.It also called forth cultural context to furnish an Ideal of ones ultimate paradise.

To the warrior society a final resting place of peace and harmony is as counterintuitive as a love cult having a heaven of discord and toil. This is the variable which became most exploited to create the control substructure. Likely, the reason that purely intellectual sects such as the gnostics divorced themselves of mass organizational structures and were ultimately destroyed by them. As need is as individual as the individual.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Just FYI, the gnostics have never went away. The Templars, Rosicrucians and Freemasons are living proof of this fact.

Idol1

In regards to your comment, "Metaphysically, the ultimate goal is to decode control structures and to elevate oneself to a heaven/eden/paradise."

Here are my thoughts:

Those of us who are spiritualists that are reincarnated as slaves into this materialistic society managed by a scientific, corporate and government dictatorship realize from day 1, that something ain't rite and one of our main goals if to become free from monetary and tax slavery. Hence, it is NOT in our "souls" to be slaves governed by tyrants, thieves and immoral bastards. This is why many of us good souls rebel and are called outlaws or men of sin when in fact we are most likely sons of God imprisoned in the same Babylon of a system that we helped create.

Bede 1

Just as my ancestor Moses had done, I will also try to lead my peoples out of slavery.

Our time has com

The Gnostics never went away, they just aligned with the Romans via the New Testament to create a one world order of unity and peace. Hence, the warrior society could not survive without the Gnostics and vice versa for they are now joined at the head for the divine goal of a heavenly homeland where ORDO rules and CHAO was just a means to justify these divine ends.

st john and the
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


As Am I. I've said I was born to it and of it; not that I came to it or found agreement to it.

Forced conversions and intimidation caused many to occlude their beliefs. Those who were overt were slaughtered.

If it were't for these conversions, the number of Hebrews and Gnostics would be abundant indeed.

This was also the model that besieged the new world and the destruction of Native creeds of varying ilks and the call for self loathing.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


To conquer or to be conquered was the question that our Gnostic ancestors had posed amongst themselves for centuries.

Fortunately for us brothers living here today, some of our very wise gnostic ancestors (Culdees, Druids etc) chose it was best to "settle" under new legal rites via the New Testament with the warrior class (Romans) to join the Roman Rite and thus incorporating each other's Gods under the Universal Brotherhood now known as the Catholic Church for they knew that the peaceful ends justifies the warrior means for I have come to bring you not peace, but a sword our Lord Jesus had said.

It is true that many Gnostics refused to "settle" under the new Jesus of Christianity. Therefor they simply were not using common sense, but rather holding on to outdated Gnostic beliefs that were eventually shattered and or murdered by the Romans who went by the rule, "If you are not with us, you are against us."

My Gnostic ancestors chose the wise route of aligning or should I say "settling" with the warriors. To settle a dispute takes 2 parties or more. Hence, the warriors (Romans) in aligning themselves with the Gnostics by incorporating them into the empire as the priests, kings advisers and fathers of this age. Warriors and Gnostics adjoined via the Universal Church held together by one body to this day through a web of secret societies, orders and corporations that rule the world through CHAO so no one human can figure that which is really so easy to see when one was a witness in the building of the same said foundation born again to see the end via capping for the Temple is complete.

If the Gnostic brothers would have opened their eyes to the ends instead of holding on to outdated Gnostic means, the horrors of the conversions would have been much less and the ends could have been here many centuries ago. However, this same ends just took much longer than at first anticipated for "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

But I can safely say it is close, real close.

To that I say, "AMEN!"

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The endtimes are a great marketing ploy. Not since 1666 and the raging of the plague have the monolithic institutions of the earth seen a clamouring of the unwashed for salvation.

is it any wonder the wars on terrorism and drugs have amped up a notch to stop people from intellectually wandering far from the fold??

The counter reformation is never what you think it is.

Politically and strategically the Israeli's/Judaics have been put in a catch 22 situation and the hornets nest of radical Islam has been stirred accordingly.

Cui Bono?

Cue monty python skit: No one expects the inquisition.



 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


The end times are the whole reason for the game and why we are here.

Maybe it is the Holy Grail? LOL...



Tis why the brotherhood holds St John and his end time revelations are held such high esteem.

St  John the Bap

A one world order ruled by the wise ones who have earned the rite by laying the foundation stone

Beda First Stone

via winning the game that we now know as the 6th age in order to place the cap.

Our time has com
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As Am I. I've said I was born to it and of it; not that I came to it or found agreement to it.

Forced conversions and intimidation caused many to occlude their beliefs. Those who were overt were slaughtered.

If it were't for these conversions, the number of Hebrews and Gnostics would be abundant indeed.

This was also the model that besieged the new world and the destruction of Native creeds of varying ilks and the call for self loathing.
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


To conquer or to be conquered was the question that our Gnostic ancestors had posed amongst themselves for centuries.

Fortunately for us brothers living here today, some of our very wise gnostic ancestors (Culdees, Druids etc) chose it was best to "settle" under new legal rites via the New Testament with the warrior class (Romans) to join the Roman Rite and thus incorporating each other's Gods under the Universal Brotherhood now known as the Catholic Church for they knew that the peaceful ends justifies the warrior means for I have come to bring you not peace, but a sword our Lord Jesus had said.

It is true that many Gnostics refused to "settle" under the new Jesus of Christianity. Therefor they simply were not using common sense, but rather holding on to outdated Gnostic beliefs that were eventually shattered and or murdered by the Romans who went by the rule, "If you are not with us, you are against us."

My Gnostic ancestors chose the wise route of aligning or should I say "settling" with the warriors. To settle a dispute takes 2 parties or more. Hence, the warriors (Romans) in aligning themselves with the Gnostics by incorporating them into the empire as the priests, kings advisers and fathers of this age. Warriors and Gnostics adjoined via the Universal Church held together by one body to this day through a web of secret societies, orders and corporations that rule the world through CHAO so no one human can figure that which is really so easy to see when one was a witness in the building of the same said foundation born again to see the end via capping for the Temple is complete.

If the Gnostic brothers would have opened their eyes to the ends instead of holding on to outdated Gnostic means, the horrors of the conversions would have been much less and the ends could have been here many centuries ago. However, this same ends just took much longer than at first anticipated for "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

But I can safely say it is close, real close.

To that I say, "AMEN!"
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As you can guess; My antecedents were of the hardheaded variety. So much so that we persisted quite flagrantly and over the years were granted special dispensation and as of three years ago were granted all of our lands back through legal means.

I guess you might get a slightly truer understanding of why I am such a tedious bastard with a penchant for minutae. It has also bonded us inexorably to the common man and understanding of all our common histories.

It is important to remember that we ,as a species, were mostly nomadic and that bonded us to this earth. As we became civil; We lost our stewardship and union. As under Pax Romanum we could either take the route of artificial specialization that came with cities or be broken by the yoke of ostracism and perpetual aggression.

We chose the later and prospered. As you will often read me say: It is important that we maintain our individuality, even in agreement. Otherwise we choose a system not of us and manufacture our own slavery through complicity.

I would love to see the rise of organic learning which dynamically ascertains the needs of students rather than accepted dogma or hard bound social constructs.

This is likely why I posted the Attila quotes: to evince the point that we must leave space for the dynamism of the individual; which is bound, but seemingly misunderstood within the constitution and bill of rights.

As always, a pleasure

cheers

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Crazy, Sane, what does it mean? that you are for a system, against it? or perhaps you have apoplectic fits and jabber nonsense while doing straight arm robot dances?? Sanity requires a sane and balanced system that doesn't use media as an inducement to stupidity and an empty pocket book. Otherwise there is no basis for comparison. Sane is solely complicity and unquestioning servility and the opposite its antithesis.
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It depends on who you ask.
People function from so many different levels these days and it appears we all assume others have the same perspective we do until we really start developing conversations with others in a more deep and meaningful way. It's then we find out how abnormal we really are and take that first initial plunge into the question "how fucked up am I really?"

Start comparing our beliefs, understandings, likes, dislikes, and I guess somewhere along that process the WE, you know, the real US becomes more real.

The origin of our identity, soul, personality...whatever.
Seems to finally come out.

The am I crazy or is it just everyone else, seems to be a common question at that point.

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Very Interesting conversations in here. I am enjoying them.
 Quoting: DOOM-N-GLOOM


Was there ever a trace of the word "Illuminati" as a mystical society before the XVIIIth century?

Me think not.


Now don't get me wrong, there were mystery schools, gnostic sects, secret hermetic societies, lonely alchemists and Greek philosophers and there followers.

All influencing each others, all influenced by their predecessors, all leaving scriptures for their heirs to be inspired. But to believe there ever was ONE leading group, with one single hierarchy and one immutable teaching, that's wishful thinking.

Wise and enlightened people each adding their stone to the monument, sometimes disagreeing and fighting, sometimes sharing common belief and banding together for a few centuries, that I can believe.

But "Illuminati" as a continuous group from the Golden Age till today?

Ahahah, seriously? You guys.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8533197


Before that they were called SHINING ONES

They were tall with shining pale skin (with a luminese light) White/blonde hair. Blue Eyes.

They were Gods who came down to teach man.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI


Very Interesting conversations in here. I am enjoying them.
 Quoting: DOOM-N-GLOOM


Was there ever a trace of the word "Illuminati" as a mystical society before the XVIIIth century?

Me think not.


Now don't get me wrong, there were mystery schools, gnostic sects, secret hermetic societies, lonely alchemists and Greek philosophers and there followers.

All influencing each others, all influenced by their predecessors, all leaving scriptures for their heirs to be inspired. But to believe there ever was ONE leading group, with one single hierarchy and one immutable teaching, that's wishful thinking.

Wise and enlightened people each adding their stone to the monument, sometimes disagreeing and fighting, sometimes sharing common belief and banding together for a few centuries, that I can believe.

But "Illuminati" as a continuous group from the Golden Age till today?

Ahahah, seriously? You guys.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8533197


Before that they were called SHINING ONES

They were tall with shining pale skin (with a luminese light) White/blonde hair. Blue Eyes.

They were Gods who came down to teach man.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI


When you say GODS, do you really mean Aliens. 'Cause we no longer believe in GODS.GOD maybe.But not GODS
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Belgium, where are you?; I feel as we have lost one of our outer valence coating electrons and are lilting.
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Never far ;p

The GLP-ban bots are really a pain in the buttocks. This forum doesn't like me and it's been a long time I'm blacklisted though I don't really know what banned words trigger that.

Plus I've been trying something else on an other forum for the last days.

I'll catch up now and maybe punch you in the faces a few times because dang sometimes you're way too smart for me and my ego doesn't like when it can't get some of your posts (even if they might be random) :p
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Very Interesting conversations in here. I am enjoying them.
 Quoting: DOOM-N-GLOOM


Was there ever a trace of the word "Illuminati" as a mystical society before the XVIIIth century?

Me think not.


Now don't get me wrong, there were mystery schools, gnostic sects, secret hermetic societies, lonely alchemists and Greek philosophers and there followers.

All influencing each others, all influenced by their predecessors, all leaving scriptures for their heirs to be inspired. But to believe there ever was ONE leading group, with one single hierarchy and one immutable teaching, that's wishful thinking.

Wise and enlightened people each adding their stone to the monument, sometimes disagreeing and fighting, sometimes sharing common belief and banding together for a few centuries, that I can believe.

But "Illuminati" as a continuous group from the Golden Age till today?

Ahahah, seriously? You guys.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8533197


Before that they were called SHINING ONES

They were tall with shining pale skin (with a luminese light) White/blonde hair. Blue Eyes.

They were Gods who came down to teach man.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI


Very Interesting conversations in here. I am enjoying them.
 Quoting: DOOM-N-GLOOM


Was there ever a trace of the word "Illuminati" as a mystical society before the XVIIIth century?

Me think not.


Now don't get me wrong, there were mystery schools, gnostic sects, secret hermetic societies, lonely alchemists and Greek philosophers and there followers.

All influencing each others, all influenced by their predecessors, all leaving scriptures for their heirs to be inspired. But to believe there ever was ONE leading group, with one single hierarchy and one immutable teaching, that's wishful thinking.

Wise and enlightened people each adding their stone to the monument, sometimes disagreeing and fighting, sometimes sharing common belief and banding together for a few centuries, that I can believe.

But "Illuminati" as a continuous group from the Golden Age till today?

Ahahah, seriously? You guys.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8533197


Before that they were called SHINING ONES

They were tall with shining pale skin (with a luminese light) White/blonde hair. Blue Eyes.

They were Gods who came down to teach man.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI


When you say GODS, do you really mean Aliens. 'Cause we no longer believe in GODS.GOD maybe.But not GODS
 Quoting: cjsteele


Gods and sub gods are alive and well in the Americas. Voodoo is regularly practiced in the Caribbean and Mexico. Belief systems substantiate or rationalize what we do in life. Thus the imperfect bipolar god in the OT and the breaking of the poles into a Satan and God figure in the NT or present tense.

We also have Sufi and Ainu animist tradition and the practices of surviving coptics and gnostics; who point responsiblity moreso at the individual and not to a centralized organization or god figure.

Gods could be aliens as proposed by some of the Sumer Anu, Enlil and Enki spawning and destroying humanity from the form of Geshtu'e (body and blood transfiguration from clay by the destruction of the jesus type figure).

And I haven't even mentioned sub saharan Africa or Asia. Heck, I've even been remiss in any intimation of any of the multiple Native traditional practices.

Some attribute the pale ones and even my antecedents the Keltoi as being aliens.
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Belgium, where are you?; I feel as we have lost one of our outer valence coating electrons and are lilting.
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Never far ;p

The GLP-ban bots are really a pain in the buttocks. This forum doesn't like me and it's been a long time I'm blacklisted though I don't really know what banned words trigger that.

Plus I've been trying something else on an other forum for the last days.

I'll catch up now and maybe punch you in the faces a few times because dang sometimes you're way too smart for me and my ego doesn't like when it can't get some of your posts (even if they might be random) :p
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No worries, if I'm too smart for my pants just utilize them against me and slingshot me into the sun.

Good to see you back.
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It depends on who you ask.
People function from so many different levels these days and it appears we all assume others have the same perspective we do until we really start developing conversations with others in a more deep and meaningful way. It's then we find out how abnormal we really are and take that first initial plunge into the question "how fucked up am I really?"

Start comparing our beliefs, understandings, likes, dislikes, and I guess somewhere along that process the WE, you know, the real US becomes more real.

The origin of our identity, soul, personality...whatever.
Seems to finally come out.

The am I crazy or is it just everyone else, seems to be a common question at that point.

1dunno1
 Quoting: ArunaLuna


I get you; This is why I expanded this post into my personal blatherings imparted with the sage advice of others who reply to the train wreck known as I.

Essentially, I'm trying to use this precursor of 5d space to gather a consensus and create organic knowledge. I'm trying not to research anything and am working off of others cues to free associate a tangible, organic system outside the boundaries of bias. In essence leaving the fuzzy variables that create I or we as individuals the needed space to interface with knowledge.

Basically the mondo or question and answer.
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Cheers. Sveiks, Jivili, Prost, Cou Sec, Up yer bottom!
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Bottom is cul. Like in cul-sec, or rather ad fundum!

A fond!

But usually we just say "santé" :p
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thats most of the reason I think we are kept busy with make work projects and superflous media. Just so we forget the simple connections and make mania our motivator.
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You think we are? I thought it was a self-inflicted condition?

When I was a lazy-ass, the lazy-ass police did not came knocking on my door as far as I remember :-/
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thats most of the reason I think we are kept busy with make work projects and superflous media. Just so we forget the simple connections and make mania our motivator.
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You think we are? I thought it was a self-inflicted condition?

When I was a lazy-ass, the lazy-ass police did not came knocking on my door as far as I remember :-/
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7687082


Yes, there is some media we choose to engage. But, even the background noise in cities never lets your subconcious rest. Put on top on that the profusion of supposed conveniences and reinforced peer logic and you accept conditions as inevitable.

The proper definition would be: You have become enured/inured. And yes, strong minds may rise above, but, I do believe we have a responsibility to our fellow man as well.
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Cheers. Sveiks, Jivili, Prost, Cou Sec, Up yer bottom!
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Bottom is cul. Like in cul-sec, or rather ad fundum!

A fond!

But usually we just say "santé" :p
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LOL, thanks for the butt in and correction. You from Louisiana?
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