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How the Illuminati Really Began.

 
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Well, you like to keep it simple but your words make whatever you are trying to say confusing. I am pretty damn intelligent and your words are not simple, just FYI. I would suggest if you are really trying to make a point and not speak dutch when in a simple English forum such as the GLP that you try to use words that convey whatever it is you are saying in truly simple terms.
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Sorry, I write without edit and can only relate when I have eyes to look at to discern the level of understanding.

In essence, our primal data, DNA, gains power when it is interwoven and has the diversity to overcome obstacles environmental (drought, famine, comet impact) or artificially drawn by temporary powers (culture, university, nationality).

What that means is, without challenge, we don't need to intermingle races and dominant cultures arise. Once there is adversity as simple as mass movements of population due to stress (comet impact) we will throw out all bias of who we be fucking to survive. This leads to mutations. Dominant mutations will remain dominant as long as there is no new challenge for them to overcome. Then mutation or bitches banging whomever to get some cornbread or a nice place to sleep or strong physical body for their offspring kick in because biases and social mores are kicked to the curb.

Time to be getting my chil'uns some victuals.

Till time allows
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You said comet impact twice. Is that your worry?
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Nice sleuthing.
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Not in the least, most likely a glitch in my programming emphasizing redundancy to make a point.
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No worries, I'm still waiting for the bane that will obscure my words into electronic drizzle. But again, like unrecorded music, it will blare anew from the instrument that was forged to make it.
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It is somewhat of an 'Illuminati' site, so it was interesting that it is blocked.
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Heck, I'm part of he Illuminutti; the door is always open, as are the books and banter; And the coffee is flowing in abundance.

Cheers

May the farce be with you
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


I am coming to see that, I think. Just need to be pointed in directions, and go find/learn the books read, and the 'type' of banter that is made, to begin 'seeing' it.

I would say the last statement you made would be a fnord.
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I like that, looking at the meaning of life video, made me flash to the restaurant at the end of the universe; thinking I was having halibut time, but, fnord struck fjord and I thunk: Slarty Bartfarst!

No, fnord idiot!: A typographic representation of data used to mislead. the red herring, hmmmm, halibut time.

My sole meaning was the fin of approaching time and how it cut through the meaningless of maya/illusion and left at the core only unechoing proof of intelligence.

Welcome to my brain. I just saw I'm running through a 1 star review. Thank you for allowing me to disconnect from my ego.

I have an ego, but I'm trying hard to jackhammer it into submission.
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Just trying to pull more info out of ya, or confirm that is what you meant.
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I would say the last statement you made would be a fnord.
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That would make Illuminati discordians scratching
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Principia Discordia

I guess so. lol
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"Man Plans & Thinks And God laughs." -Yddish proverb.
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Only if what man does is fraught with ego; Otherwise he chortles with delight, thinking of the impending union, having had all of us human plinko chips line up colours into the 'answer' on an ethereal Go board.

Then according to all religions; He will inhale in awe to the tune of 'Come Together'.
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Just trying to pull more info out of ya, or confirm that is what you meant.
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No worries, You got it all in that head of yours.
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Cheers D&G, I return the programming day to you. Sorry for co opting your thread.
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Cheers D&G, I return the programming day to you. Sorry for co opting your thread.
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Cheers my friend, your co-opting is much appreciated.
My relationship with death hasnt changed......I am strongly against it.
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It is somewhat of an 'Illuminati' site, so it was interesting that it is blocked.
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Heck, I'm part of he Illuminutti; the door is always open, as are the books and banter; And the coffee is flowing in abundance.

Cheers

May the farce be with you
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


I am coming to see that, I think. Just need to be pointed in directions, and go find/learn the books read, and the 'type' of banter that is made, to begin 'seeing' it.

I would say the last statement you made would be a fnord.
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I like that, looking at the meaning of life video, made me flash to the restaurant at the end of the universe; thinking I was having halibut time, but, fnord struck fjord and I thunk: Slarty Bartfarst!

No, fnord idiot!: A typographic representation of data used to mislead. the red herring, hmmmm, halibut time.

My sole meaning was the fin of approaching time and how it cut through the meaningless of maya/illusion and left at the core only unechoing proof of intelligence.

Welcome to my brain. I just saw I'm running through a 1 star review. Thank you for allowing me to disconnect from my ego.

I have an ego, but I'm trying hard to jackhammer it into submission.
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hahaha! Awesome.
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Welcome back, I'm just finishing pouring my decanter of coffee into my left ear and shaking my head to mix it with the cream in my mouth.

Now there's a budumpump opening for the comedians.
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Nice information OP

NOW< how do we reverse the damage done?

I want to know solutions.

We can hammer around and around What happened and why BUT how do we

CHANGE IT

we need to change it back
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Welcome back, I'm just finishing pouring my decanter of coffee into my left ear and shaking my head to mix it with the cream in my mouth.

Now there's a budumpump opening for the comedians.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Good morning Dionysian.

I think your words triggered a process last night. Good stuff.

The following was about 25% of all that occurred last night.


Thread: HourGlass (Page 8)
January 11, 2012

Had a long night last night. Both good and bad. A ton of soul searching. Playing out many variances of situations while lucid. Nearly the entire night was 100% lucid.

Had dissected what it meant to 'see' different factions or groups, and what types of morality constituted their actions. Very, very difficult to explain properly. Basically, it came down to what I morally agree with, and what I don't agree with. Doing so can get very 'uncomfortable' as the scenarios are 100% lifelike...and they would be view as nightmarish, I suppose, to most everyone else.

So, there were aspects that I didn't agree with, and I tore it all down around me. The entire scenario...walls built around me, buildings containing constructs I didn't agree with, etc. I created pulses that came out as waves of force and crumbled the walls and buildings into dust. Over and over...starting as a pulse of force that would create cracks in the walls, to stronger pulses at the base that would tear it all down around me.

Then, they were ones that I agreed with, one in the shape of a small white tree that 'they' couldn't grow beyond the size of small child. I grew it into a vast white presence that overshadowed another building I disagreed with.

Some got mad at me. They were in my presence as medieval royalty. They tried to stop me. They couldn't effect me. I completely ignored them.

I feel cleansed.

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Nice information OP

NOW< how do we reverse the damage done?

I want to know solutions.

We can hammer around and around What happened and why BUT how do we

CHANGE IT

we need to change it back
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No need to change anything. Gravity and cultural evolution will play their respective roles; For the impatient, not quick enough, but the universe thinks geological time is but a second.

Personal evolution is equal to the rocks of monolithic control thinking being ground to sand by the waves of inevitability.
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Welcome back, I'm just finishing pouring my decanter of coffee into my left ear and shaking my head to mix it with the cream in my mouth.

Now there's a budumpump opening for the comedians.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Good morning Dionysian.

I think your words triggered a process last night. Good stuff.

The following was about 25% of all that occurred last night.


Thread: HourGlass (Page 8)
January 11, 2012

Had a long night last night. Both good and bad. A ton of soul searching. Playing out many variances of situations while lucid. Nearly the entire night was 100% lucid.

Had dissected what it meant to 'see' different factions or groups, and what types of morality constituted their actions. Very, very difficult to explain properly. Basically, it came down to what I morally agree with, and what I don't agree with. Doing so can get very 'uncomfortable' as the scenarios are 100% lifelike...and they would be view as nightmarish, I suppose, to most everyone else.

So, there were aspects that I didn't agree with, and I tore it all down around me. The entire scenario...walls built around me, buildings containing constructs I didn't agree with, etc. I created pulses that came out as waves of force and crumbled the walls and buildings into dust. Over and over...starting as a pulse of force that would create cracks in the walls, to stronger pulses at the base that would tear it all down around me.

Then, they were ones that I agreed with, one in the shape of a small white tree that 'they' couldn't grow beyond the size of small child. I grew it into a vast white presence that overshadowed another building I disagreed with.

Some got mad at me. They were in my presence as medieval royalty. They tried to stop me. They couldn't effect me. I completely ignored them.

I feel cleansed.

 Quoting: SickScent

 Quoting: SickScent


I wonder if the manifestation will quicken nowadays. It seems to be. I once figured that the manifestations into my physical self of this sort to was about 3-4 weeks out.
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Welcome back, I'm just finishing pouring my decanter of coffee into my left ear and shaking my head to mix it with the cream in my mouth.

Now there's a budumpump opening for the comedians.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Good morning Dionysian.

I think your words triggered a process last night. Good stuff.

The following was about 25% of all that occurred last night.


Thread: HourGlass (Page 8)
January 11, 2012

Had a long night last night. Both good and bad. A ton of soul searching. Playing out many variances of situations while lucid. Nearly the entire night was 100% lucid.

Had dissected what it meant to 'see' different factions or groups, and what types of morality constituted their actions. Very, very difficult to explain properly. Basically, it came down to what I morally agree with, and what I don't agree with. Doing so can get very 'uncomfortable' as the scenarios are 100% lifelike...and they would be view as nightmarish, I suppose, to most everyone else.

So, there were aspects that I didn't agree with, and I tore it all down around me. The entire scenario...walls built around me, buildings containing constructs I didn't agree with, etc. I created pulses that came out as waves of force and crumbled the walls and buildings into dust. Over and over...starting as a pulse of force that would create cracks in the walls, to stronger pulses at the base that would tear it all down around me.

Then, they were ones that I agreed with, one in the shape of a small white tree that 'they' couldn't grow beyond the size of small child. I grew it into a vast white presence that overshadowed another building I disagreed with.

Some got mad at me. They were in my presence as medieval royalty. They tried to stop me. They couldn't effect me. I completely ignored them.

I feel cleansed.

 Quoting: SickScent

 Quoting: SickScent


Correction: Our words and the multi sided ping pong we all indulged in. I also went out last night to listen to the coy wolves in the woods at my periphery. I like to meditate on noises on the country backroads. Rhythmic walking while trying to envision what is in play outside my immediate visual grasp lets images flicker in ones brain and cleanses the tedium of words.

It also becomes a metaphor of the future and what can be as we imagine the aural sculptures ( stranglers album) we chisel by the flow of the days indulgences.
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Welcome back, I'm just finishing pouring my decanter of coffee into my left ear and shaking my head to mix it with the cream in my mouth.

Now there's a budumpump opening for the comedians.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Good morning Dionysian.

I think your words triggered a process last night. Good stuff.

The following was about 25% of all that occurred last night.


Thread: HourGlass (Page 8)
January 11, 2012

Had a long night last night. Both good and bad. A ton of soul searching. Playing out many variances of situations while lucid. Nearly the entire night was 100% lucid.

Had dissected what it meant to 'see' different factions or groups, and what types of morality constituted their actions. Very, very difficult to explain properly. Basically, it came down to what I morally agree with, and what I don't agree with. Doing so can get very 'uncomfortable' as the scenarios are 100% lifelike...and they would be view as nightmarish, I suppose, to most everyone else.

So, there were aspects that I didn't agree with, and I tore it all down around me. The entire scenario...walls built around me, buildings containing constructs I didn't agree with, etc. I created pulses that came out as waves of force and crumbled the walls and buildings into dust. Over and over...starting as a pulse of force that would create cracks in the walls, to stronger pulses at the base that would tear it all down around me.

Then, they were ones that I agreed with, one in the shape of a small white tree that 'they' couldn't grow beyond the size of small child. I grew it into a vast white presence that overshadowed another building I disagreed with.

Some got mad at me. They were in my presence as medieval royalty. They tried to stop me. They couldn't effect me. I completely ignored them.

I feel cleansed.

 Quoting: SickScent

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Correction: Our words and the multi sided ping pong we all indulged in. I also went out last night to listen to the coy wolves in the woods at my periphery. I like to meditate on noises on the country backroads. Rhythmic walking while trying to envision what is in play outside my immediate visual grasp lets images flicker in ones brain and cleanses the tedium of words.

It also becomes a metaphor of the future and what can be as we imagine the aural sculptures ( stranglers album) we chisel by the flow of the days indulgences.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


I do the same, but in driving the backroads listening to loud music. Same exact 'feeling' as this, play outside my immediate visual grasp lets images flicker in ones brain and cleanses the tedium of words.
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Welcome back, I'm just finishing pouring my decanter of coffee into my left ear and shaking my head to mix it with the cream in my mouth.

Now there's a budumpump opening for the comedians.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Good morning Dionysian.

I think your words triggered a process last night. Good stuff.

The following was about 25% of all that occurred last night.


Thread: HourGlass (Page 8)
January 11, 2012

Had a long night last night. Both good and bad. A ton of soul searching. Playing out many variances of situations while lucid. Nearly the entire night was 100% lucid.

Had dissected what it meant to 'see' different factions or groups, and what types of morality constituted their actions. Very, very difficult to explain properly. Basically, it came down to what I morally agree with, and what I don't agree with. Doing so can get very 'uncomfortable' as the scenarios are 100% lifelike...and they would be view as nightmarish, I suppose, to most everyone else.

So, there were aspects that I didn't agree with, and I tore it all down around me. The entire scenario...walls built around me, buildings containing constructs I didn't agree with, etc. I created pulses that came out as waves of force and crumbled the walls and buildings into dust. Over and over...starting as a pulse of force that would create cracks in the walls, to stronger pulses at the base that would tear it all down around me.

Then, they were ones that I agreed with, one in the shape of a small white tree that 'they' couldn't grow beyond the size of small child. I grew it into a vast white presence that overshadowed another building I disagreed with.

Some got mad at me. They were in my presence as medieval royalty. They tried to stop me. They couldn't effect me. I completely ignored them.

I feel cleansed.

 Quoting: SickScent

 Quoting: SickScent


I wonder if the manifestation will quicken nowadays. It seems to be. I once figured that the manifestations into my physical self of this sort to was about 3-4 weeks out.
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In my personal experience, we all realize things when we are ready to. Essentially meaning, that external factors line up with internal dynamics/questions/subconcious flotsam and jetsam.

I'll liken to an osmotic membrane where nothing flows until the pressure is slightly greater then equal on one side; Then, BAM! , the ghosts of your imaginings find themselves alive on the material plane
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Welcome back, I'm just finishing pouring my decanter of coffee into my left ear and shaking my head to mix it with the cream in my mouth.

Now there's a budumpump opening for the comedians.
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Good morning Dionysian.

I think your words triggered a process last night. Good stuff.

The following was about 25% of all that occurred last night.


Thread: HourGlass (Page 8)
January 11, 2012

Had a long night last night. Both good and bad. A ton of soul searching. Playing out many variances of situations while lucid. Nearly the entire night was 100% lucid.

Had dissected what it meant to 'see' different factions or groups, and what types of morality constituted their actions. Very, very difficult to explain properly. Basically, it came down to what I morally agree with, and what I don't agree with. Doing so can get very 'uncomfortable' as the scenarios are 100% lifelike...and they would be view as nightmarish, I suppose, to most everyone else.

So, there were aspects that I didn't agree with, and I tore it all down around me. The entire scenario...walls built around me, buildings containing constructs I didn't agree with, etc. I created pulses that came out as waves of force and crumbled the walls and buildings into dust. Over and over...starting as a pulse of force that would create cracks in the walls, to stronger pulses at the base that would tear it all down around me.

Then, they were ones that I agreed with, one in the shape of a small white tree that 'they' couldn't grow beyond the size of small child. I grew it into a vast white presence that overshadowed another building I disagreed with.

Some got mad at me. They were in my presence as medieval royalty. They tried to stop me. They couldn't effect me. I completely ignored them.

I feel cleansed.

 Quoting: SickScent

 Quoting: SickScent


I wonder if the manifestation will quicken nowadays. It seems to be. I once figured that the manifestations into my physical self of this sort to was about 3-4 weeks out.
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In my personal experience, we all realize things when we are ready to. Essentially meaning, that external factors line up with internal dynamics/questions/subconcious flotsam and jetsam.

I'll liken to an osmotic membrane where nothing flows until the pressure is slightly greater then equal on one side; Then, BAM! , the ghosts of your imaginings find themselves alive on the material plane
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Yes, I completely understand that. I had an experience with ET that I manifested in the non-material on 3 different dates. Physical manifestation (actual ET visitation into the material) happened exactly 3 weeks later per date. At that point, I started trying to pin down if there was a ratio of time it took for non-material 'aspects' to manifest into physical 'life'.
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Sooooo, about those "illuminatis". What's your take on this, DF and SS?

I'm quite versed on those subjects so you can skip the details :)
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Sooooo, about those "illuminatis". What's your take on this, DF and SS?

I'm quite versed on those subjects so you can skip the details :)
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I'm not so versed. Well, maybe I am, but no inside or relevant information. Maybe I do, and just don't know it. Like ELVIS for example. But, even that, I do not know, I can only speculate.
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I do not know, I can only speculate.
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That's OK. Please do speculate. Maybe something will come out of this exchange eventually. You never know :)
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I do not know, I can only speculate.
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That's OK. Please do speculate. Maybe something will come out of this exchange eventually. You never know :)
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I always know, I just have to dredge it up out of the well of my mind, and organize it all into a cohesive hole before the bucket grows another leek!
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Like I already said, I beleive there always was bunches of wise and enlightened people all around earth, but I don't think they were and still are organized in some kind of secret organization.


I believe the Bavarian illuminati if they ever existed are an outgrow of the Rosicrucians and masons since they share the same political agenda and esoteric knowledge.



I believe 'Illuminatis' as a group existing for millenias is an old meme that existed among students of the mysteries (theosophists call them "great white brotherhood", sometimes they are Atlanteans or even "Aliens", people living in Agartha, ...) that was appropriated by conspiracy theorists to become the modern "Illuminatis" we now know (NWO, evil bankers, TPTB, etc...).
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Like I already said, I beleive there always was bunches of wise and enlightened people all around earth, but I don't think they were and still are organized in some kind of secret organization.


I believe the Bavarian illuminati if they ever existed are an outgrow of the Rosicrucians and masons since they share the same political agenda and esoteric knowledge.



I believe 'Illuminatis' as a group existing for millenias is an old meme that existed among students of the mysteries (theosophists call them "great white brotherhood", sometimes they are Atlanteans or even "Aliens", people living in Agartha, ...) that was appropriated by conspiracy theorists to become the modern "Illuminatis" we now know (NWO, evil bankers, TPTB, etc...).
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Didn't we address this? There is only a need for individuals/organizations to secret information while there is a culture of censorship and bias of a very authoritarian nature.

Whether there is a continuation of these organizations is a question for someone researching lineage. Whether they have been co-opted to create a culture of occlusion and control is a whole other question.
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I believe, very spiritual people do exist on earth (what christians call saints, hindus; mahatmas, or buddhists; boddhisatvas), but I don't believe they are organized outside of existing religious hierarchies.

I believe we are probably now in the first time in history (since radio and TV) where these people teachings can reach billions while they are alive, and where their knowledge and experience can be spread around the world in an accelerating fashion.

I believe Illuminatis have nothing to do with this. I beleive it's just the Omega point manifesting a bit more.
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There is only a need for individuals/organizations to secret information while there is a culture of censorship and bias of a very authoritarian nature.
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Egyptian priests and mystery schools traditionally hid their teachings while they had nothing and no one to worry about.

Why?
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Sooooo, about those "illuminatis". What's your take on this, DF and SS?

I'm quite versed on those subjects so you can skip the details :)
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I see it as a loosely knit amalgam of individuals with a common interest; Likened to a chess club or think tank.

A sinister bent is put on it to help perpetuate self censorship on what is taboo to a specific colour or stream of propaganda.
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I believe, very spiritual people do exist on earth (what christians call saints, hindus; mahatmas, or buddhists; boddhisatvas), but I don't believe they are organized outside of existing religious hierarchies.

I believe we are probably now in the first time in history (since radio and TV) where these people teachings can reach billions while they are alive, and where their knowledge and experience can be spread around the world in an accelerating fashion.

I believe Illuminatis have nothing to do with this. I beleive it's just the Omega point manifesting a bit more.
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My understanding is that they have something to do with everything. My understanding is that you would be surprised at the level of consciousness they work within. Surprised is probably not the correct word.
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There is only a need for individuals/organizations to secret information while there is a culture of censorship and bias of a very authoritarian nature.
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Egyptian priests and mystery schools traditionally hid their teachings while they had nothing and no one to worry about.

Why?
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Much the same reason that academics have created a culture and language to themselves. As have any professions that have an exclusionary policy to membership, meaning, you must hop their hoops to get accepted.

it indulges control and the source from that which you glean the handpicked information.
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Re: How the Illuminati Really Began.
Sooooo, about those "illuminatis". What's your take on this, DF and SS?

I'm quite versed on those subjects so you can skip the details :)
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I see it as a loosely knit amalgam of individuals with a common interest; Likened to a chess club or think tank.

A sinister bent is put on it to help perpetuate self censorship on what is taboo to a specific colour or stream of propaganda.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


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01/11/2012 11:03 AM
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Re: How the Illuminati Really Began.
Whether there is a continuation of these organizations is a question for someone researching lineage.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


But it's important since many people (even on this thread) claim to descend from them (the continuous Illuminati lineage). Now how convenient since we can't even prove the existence of this continuity.


Whether they have been co-opted to create a culture of occlusion and control is a whole other question.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


I don't believe "these" Illuminatis (worldwide control-freak secret socity) do exist. I see no proof of their existence.

All "proof" of the Illuminati can be traced back to an individual action or that of another group of interest (secret order, politicians, bankers, industries, etc...) not one group called "Illuminati"

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