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How the Illuminati Really Began.

 
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I believe, very spiritual people do exist on earth (what christians call saints, hindus; mahatmas, or buddhists; boddhisatvas), but I don't believe they are organized outside of existing religious hierarchies.

I believe we are probably now in the first time in history (since radio and TV) where these people teachings can reach billions while they are alive, and where their knowledge and experience can be spread around the world in an accelerating fashion.

I believe Illuminatis have nothing to do with this. I beleive it's just the Omega point manifesting a bit more.
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My understanding is that they have something to do with everything. My understanding is that you would be surprised at the level of consciousness they work within. Surprised is probably not the correct word.
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Are you saying they are organized? That they meet on the astral planes for example?
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I believe, very spiritual people do exist on earth (what christians call saints, hindus; mahatmas, or buddhists; boddhisatvas), but I don't believe they are organized outside of existing religious hierarchies.

I believe we are probably now in the first time in history (since radio and TV) where these people teachings can reach billions while they are alive, and where their knowledge and experience can be spread around the world in an accelerating fashion.

I believe Illuminatis have nothing to do with this. I beleive it's just the Omega point manifesting a bit more.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


My understanding is that they have something to do with everything. My understanding is that you would be surprised at the level of consciousness they work within. Surprised is probably not the correct word.
 Quoting: SickScent


Are you saying they are organized? That they meet on the astral planes for example?
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They have a special technology to meet up. Its a technology
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There is only a need for individuals/organizations to secret information while there is a culture of censorship and bias of a very authoritarian nature.
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Egyptian priests and mystery schools traditionally hid their teachings while they had nothing and no one to worry about.

Why?
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Much the same reason that academics have created a culture and language to themselves. As have any professions that have an exclusionary policy to membership, meaning, you must hop their hoops to get accepted.

it indulges control and the source from that which you glean the handpicked information.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


So it means the threat of a censorship isn't the only reason for secrecy. Could be control too.
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I believe, very spiritual people do exist on earth (what christians call saints, hindus; mahatmas, or buddhists; boddhisatvas), but I don't believe they are organized outside of existing religious hierarchies.

I believe we are probably now in the first time in history (since radio and TV) where these people teachings can reach billions while they are alive, and where their knowledge and experience can be spread around the world in an accelerating fashion.

I believe Illuminatis have nothing to do with this. I beleive it's just the Omega point manifesting a bit more.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


My understanding is that they have something to do with everything. My understanding is that you would be surprised at the level of consciousness they work within. Surprised is probably not the correct word.
 Quoting: SickScent


Are you saying they are organized? That they meet on the astral planes for example?
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They have a spatial technology to meet up. Its a technology
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Fixed it for ya. lol
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There is only a need for individuals/organizations to secret information while there is a culture of censorship and bias of a very authoritarian nature.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Egyptian priests and mystery schools traditionally hid their teachings while they had nothing and no one to worry about.

Why?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


Much the same reason that academics have created a culture and language to themselves. As have any professions that have an exclusionary policy to membership, meaning, you must hop their hoops to get accepted.

it indulges control and the source from that which you glean the handpicked information.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


So it means the threat of a censorship isn't the only reason for secrecy. Could be control too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


Or caution. Don't want to give information to people that would abuse it, hurt others, or themselves with it. With great power, comes great responsibility. Fuck, our own politicians aren't even responsible enough with their power. Imagine some of the lowlifes in society...
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Whether there is a continuation of these organizations is a question for someone researching lineage.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


But it's important since many people (even on this thread) claim to descend from them (the continuous Illuminati lineage). Now how convenient since we can't even prove the existence of this continuity.


Whether they have been co-opted to create a culture of occlusion and control is a whole other question.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


I don't believe "these" Illuminatis (worldwide control-freak secret socity) do exist. I see no proof of their existence.

All "proof" of the Illuminati can be traced back to an individual action or that of another group of interest (secret order, politicians, bankers, industries, etc...) not one group called "Illuminati"
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Having not been tapped and gleaning my information from the knowledge of my religious and familial background; All I can say is that I always thought the Ideas people affixed to these organizations were common sense and extrapolated from the knowledge of history, philosophy and science.

It didn't even occur to me until later in life that there was any big deal to it. The problem has been and always will be those who wish to dam the flow of information to create their own resevoirs.
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They have a special technology to meet up. Its a technology
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Oh come on mister Meyer. Don't tease us like take :p

Please develop. You know it's meant to end up in the open eventually. :)
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Whether there is a continuation of these organizations is a question for someone researching lineage.
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But it's important since many people (even on this thread) claim to descend from them (the continuous Illuminati lineage). Now how convenient since we can't even prove the existence of this continuity.


Whether they have been co-opted to create a culture of occlusion and control is a whole other question.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


I don't believe "these" Illuminatis (worldwide control-freak secret socity) do exist. I see no proof of their existence.

All "proof" of the Illuminati can be traced back to an individual action or that of another group of interest (secret order, politicians, bankers, industries, etc...) not one group called "Illuminati"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


Having not been tapped and gleaning my information from the knowledge of my religious and familial background; All I can say is that I always thought the Ideas people affixed to these organizations were common sense and extrapolated from the knowledge of history, philosophy and science.

It didn't even occur to me until later in life that there was any big deal to it. The problem has been and always will be those who wish to damn the flow of information to create their own resevoirs.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


I believe you are right. The Illuminati are an Idea. Like, the Ideal secret and mystical society.

Many organizations do try to approach that Ideal, but it's still an Idea and it doesn't exist (yet?) IMHO
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They have a special technology to meet up. Its a technology
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Oh come on mister Meyer. Don't tease us like take :p

Please develop. You know it's meant to end up in the open eventually. :)
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Uh oh, you posted my legal name on GLP !

lol

Its ok..

At least Im not a Rothchild. lol

One of the techs is a inner ear technology.
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I believe, very spiritual people do exist on earth (what christians call saints, hindus; mahatmas, or buddhists; boddhisatvas), but I don't believe they are organized outside of existing religious hierarchies.

I believe we are probably now in the first time in history (since radio and TV) where these people teachings can reach billions while they are alive, and where their knowledge and experience can be spread around the world in an accelerating fashion.

I believe Illuminatis have nothing to do with this. I beleive it's just the Omega point manifesting a bit more.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


My understanding is that they have something to do with everything. My understanding is that you would be surprised at the level of consciousness they work within. Surprised is probably not the correct word.
 Quoting: SickScent


Are you saying they are organized? That they meet on the astral planes for example?
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They have a special technology to meet up. Its a technology
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI


Yes, we call it the internet. Here we exist as 2 dimensional typographic/Iconic representations of ourselves.

But seriously, what do you mean, with some order of specificity.
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Egyptian priests and mystery schools traditionally hid their teachings while they had nothing and no one to worry about.

Why?
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Much the same reason that academics have created a culture and language to themselves. As have any professions that have an exclusionary policy to membership, meaning, you must hop their hoops to get accepted.

it indulges control and the source from that which you glean the handpicked information.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


So it means the threat of a censorship isn't the only reason for secrecy. Could be control too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


Or caution. Don't want to give information to people that would abuse it, hurt others, or themselves with it. With great power, comes great responsibility. Fuck, our own politicians aren't even responsible enough with their power. Imagine some of the lowlifes in society...
 Quoting: SickScent


But there we disagree, It was never to be that they had power, but capacity to serve. The failing was ours for believing freedom was a given.
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One of the techs is a inner ear technology.
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How long has this tech been around?
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My understanding is that they have something to do with everything. My understanding is that you would be surprised at the level of consciousness they work within. Surprised is probably not the correct word.
 Quoting: SickScent


Are you saying they are organized? That they meet on the astral planes for example?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


They have a spatial technology to meet up. Its a technology
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI


Fixed it for ya. lol
 Quoting: SickScent


Were all Pythagorean propositionists ! and 47ths problemists of Euclid. =)

moshpit
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Uh oh, you posted my legal name on GLP !

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Really? It just chose a very generic yiddish name, knowing your interest in the Kabbalah and all. I believe it also means "doctor of the Talmud".


I guess I'm was very lucky ;)
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Uh oh, you posted my legal name on GLP !

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Really? It just chose a very generic yiddish name, knowing your interest in the Kabbalah and all. I believe it also means "doctor of the Talmud".


I guess I'm was very lucky ;)
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I take it we're not talking about Billy Meyer?
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Uh oh, you posted my legal name on GLP !

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Really? It just chose a very generic yiddish name, knowing your interest in the Kabbalah and all. I believe it also means "doctor of the Talmud".


I guess I'm was very lucky ;)
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I take it we're not talking about Billy Meyer?
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Doesn't start with a B...
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Uh oh, you posted my legal name on GLP !

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Really? It just chose a very generic yiddish name, knowing your interest in the Kabbalah and all. I believe it also means "doctor of the Talmud".


I guess I'm was very lucky ;)
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I take it we're not talking about Billy Meyer?
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Doesn't start with a B...
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Furthermore, how old would the guy be today? :)

I like his pics, though.
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Much the same reason that academics have created a culture and language to themselves. As have any professions that have an exclusionary policy to membership, meaning, you must hop their hoops to get accepted.

it indulges control and the source from that which you glean the handpicked information.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


So it means the threat of a censorship isn't the only reason for secrecy. Could be control too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


Or caution. Don't want to give information to people that would abuse it, hurt others, or themselves with it. With great power, comes great responsibility. Fuck, our own politicians aren't even responsible enough with their power. Imagine some of the lowlifes in society...
 Quoting: SickScent


But there we disagree, It was never to be that they had power, but capacity to serve. The failing was ours for believing freedom was a given.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


I think we have a gap in our communication. I'm trying to find it real quick.

The failing comes from the politicians...my thought when I express this is per this immediate time, not the past creation of the concept to have 'politicians' serve the people.

Ahh, I see now.

You are stating it as a failure to foresee what problem would arise.

I am stating that the failure comes from the people taking advantage of their positions.

What a completely fascinating disconnect. On so many levels. I find that anything I try and say concerning this is disconnected from the reality of what you say. It is as if I am on the bottom, looking up, and the organizational structures in plain sight block my view before I am able to see YOU.
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Uh oh, you posted my legal name on GLP !

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Really? It just chose a very generic yiddish name, knowing your interest in the Kabbalah and all. I believe it also means "doctor of the Talmud".


I guess I'm was very lucky ;)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


I take it we're not talking about Billy Meyer?
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Doesn't start with a B...
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William Meyer?

chuckle
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William Meyer?

chuckle
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Stephanie :D
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William Meyer?

chuckle
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Stephanie :D
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1rof1

Sorry, Mr. Meyers, but that was unexpectantly funny.
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So it means the threat of a censorship isn't the only reason for secrecy. Could be control too.
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Or caution. Don't want to give information to people that would abuse it, hurt others, or themselves with it. With great power, comes great responsibility. Fuck, our own politicians aren't even responsible enough with their power. Imagine some of the lowlifes in society...
 Quoting: SickScent


But there we disagree, It was never to be that they had power, but capacity to serve. The failing was ours for believing freedom was a given.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


I think we have a gap in our communication. I'm trying to find it real quick.

The failing comes from the politicians...my thought when I express this is per this immediate time, not the past creation of the concept to have 'politicians' serve the people.

Ahh, I see now.

You are stating it as a failure to foresee what problem would arise.

I am stating that the failure comes from the people taking advantage of their positions.

What a completely fascinating disconnect. On so many levels. I find that anything I try and say concerning this is disconnected from the reality of what you say. It is as if I am on the bottom, looking up, and the organizational structures in plain sight block my view before I am able to see YOU.
 Quoting: SickScent


And that my friend is the essence of magic and control mechanisms at once. Hiding the apparent in plain sight. Psychology and the flow of time renders moot that which is just percieved to belong. It becomes a black box and a default mechanism, requiring no thought. Seeing it once again is learning to see once again.
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Uh oh, you posted my legal name on GLP !

 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI


Really? It just chose a very generic yiddish name, knowing your interest in the Kabbalah and all. I believe it also means "doctor of the Talmud".


I guess I'm was very lucky ;)
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? How did you do that?cool2 What chose?


Yes/Ja, thats my family, from Germany. One of our Family Crests is Argo the Ship. And weve always been very religious. Some here know the histories of the dynasties and bloodlines.
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Or caution. Don't want to give information to people that would abuse it, hurt others, or themselves with it. With great power, comes great responsibility. Fuck, our own politicians aren't even responsible enough with their power. Imagine some of the lowlifes in society...
 Quoting: SickScent


But there we disagree, It was never to be that they had power, but capacity to serve. The failing was ours for believing freedom was a given.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


I think we have a gap in our communication. I'm trying to find it real quick.

The failing comes from the politicians...my thought when I express this is per this immediate time, not the past creation of the concept to have 'politicians' serve the people.

Ahh, I see now.

You are stating it as a failure to foresee what problem would arise.

I am stating that the failure comes from the people taking advantage of their positions.

What a completely fascinating disconnect. On so many levels. I find that anything I try and say concerning this is disconnected from the reality of what you say. It is as if I am on the bottom, looking up, and the organizational structures in plain sight block my view before I am able to see YOU.
 Quoting: SickScent


And that my friend is the essence of magic and control mechanisms at once. Hiding the apparent in plain sight. Psychology and the flow of time renders moot that which is just percieved to belong. It becomes a black box and a default mechanism, requiring no thought. Seeing it once again is learning to see once again.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


I love this shit, because I can somehow visualize these concepts in my mind. The above came with a feeling that I can put into a structured image, and SEE what the disconnect looks like!
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Here's a McLuhanism to munch on: On the internet, We are discarnate. Everywhere and nowhere at once. It forces us to create a new paradigm and new paths to either an old comfortable world or a brave new one.
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Or caution. Don't want to give information to people that would abuse it, hurt others, or themselves with it. With great power, comes great responsibility. Fuck, our own politicians aren't even responsible enough with their power. Imagine some of the lowlifes in society...
 Quoting: SickScent


But there we disagree, It was never to be that they had power, but capacity to serve. The failing was ours for believing freedom was a given.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


I think we have a gap in our communication. I'm trying to find it real quick.

The failing comes from the politicians...my thought when I express this is per this immediate time, not the past creation of the concept to have 'politicians' serve the people.

Ahh, I see now.

You are stating it as a failure to foresee what problem would arise.

I am stating that the failure comes from the people taking advantage of their positions.

What a completely fascinating disconnect. On so many levels. I find that anything I try and say concerning this is disconnected from the reality of what you say. It is as if I am on the bottom, looking up, and the organizational structures in plain sight block my view before I am able to see YOU.
 Quoting: SickScent


And that my friend is the essence of magic and control mechanisms at once. Hiding the apparent in plain sight. Psychology and the flow of time renders moot that which is just percieved to belong. It becomes a black box and a default mechanism, requiring no thought. Seeing it once again is learning to see once again.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


That...that is the point of disconnect that was invisible to me a minute before, and visible to me now. cool
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Uh oh, you posted my legal name on GLP !

 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI


Really? It just chose a very generic yiddish name, knowing your interest in the Kabbalah and all. I believe it also means "doctor of the Talmud".


I guess I'm was very lucky ;)
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? How did you do that?cool2 What chose?


Yes/Ja, thats my family, from Germany. One of our Family Crests is Argo the Ship. And weve always been very religious. Some here know the histories of the dynasties and bloodlines.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI


Kidding ;) When you accept to become popular, you also accept to lose anonymity :p
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William Meyer?

chuckle
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Stephanie :D
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1rof1

Sorry, Mr. Meyers, but that was unexpectantly funny.
 Quoting: SickScent


lol !

Yeah, I bought one of her rubber bracelets cause it said New Moon

As a full moon baby Im fascinated doing all my magick work during new moons.

Does full moon make me more the werewolf than vampire, lol
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Here's a McLuhanism to munch on: On the internet, We are discarnate. Everywhere and nowhere at once. It forces us to create a new paradigm and new paths to either an old comfortable world or a brave new one.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Yes. I once said that interacting through the internet like we do nowadays, we are able to converse thought to thought. And, places like GLP, we are not only doing it thought to thought, but thought to thought to thought to thought to thought all at a pace that in 'standard' history has never been done before. Not even close.

The magnitude of being able to communicate at nearly light speed, our inner thoughts to others across the globe, is truly miraculous...and now we think of it as commonplace.
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Uh oh, you posted my legal name on GLP !

 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI


Really? It just chose a very generic yiddish name, knowing your interest in the Kabbalah and all. I believe it also means "doctor of the Talmud".


I guess I'm was very lucky ;)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


? How did you do that?cool2 What chose?


Yes/Ja, thats my family, from Germany. One of our Family Crests is Argo the Ship. And weve always been very religious. Some here know the histories of the dynasties and bloodlines.
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Kidding ;) When you accept to become popular, you also accept to lose anonymity :p
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Gosh, Not sure if Im ready for that, lol. Many of my birth natals predestined me for privacy and being protective of myself and my own.

Of course if the times are changing then more of us can move forward into the public eye.

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