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Serpent Seed Theory *Christians Only*

 
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jewish people are the Serpents Seed. They spun the book around to make themselves out to be the good guys, it's only obvious.
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Close... the j e w s are a combination of edomites (the descendents of esau) and serpent seed. But not ALL of the serpent seed (kenites) are j e w s, most royals around the world are of the kenites. The kenites also mixed with pre-adamic peoples as well (land of NOD, yes it's a real place according to Scripture. Genesis 4:16). The kenites situation is very complex as they attemept to make themselves part of the fully human families of the world.
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The debate about the race of Adam is a completely pointless topic Adam would have been made up of the genetic material and his seed would have had all the genetic material of the races to come on earth and it would have remained that way up to Noah, as all the races of the earth would have to come from his seed. BTW what do serpent seeders say about the flood, how did Cain's seed survive? Also, If you hold the analogy and language usage that this idea is based out of then when God told Adam and Eve they could eat the fruit of any tree in the garden he was basically saying you can have sex with any of these???????
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Absolutely Not true! Adam and Eve who were a white couple. Would never have pruduced an Asian or black child. One of the laws in Genesis is Kind after kind.
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You are correct, this person made an error.

Even tho I post that the difference from the 6th day man and the 8th day man and how we see it in the manuscripts is a huge difference in the from this person has just said.

We can see who is really studying and who is not quite up to speed.
They have put their trust in some man, and not Christ.
Not being nasty here, but my Lord says "Stay focused on Him and His teachings."
I drum this into my students heads. Don't listen to any human, and that includes me, without checking out and validating what they teach.

That protects them from the morphing of the latter day church which Paul Said would happen which he called "falling away". And he tells us why. Lack of knowledge of the Word.

blessings
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"Then God said,"Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind" and it was so. God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind: and God saw that it was good.
Then God said, "Let us make make man in our image according to our likeness" - GE 1:24-28
The decree of kind after kind was applied to trees and beasts... kind refered to species... humans, regardless of race are of the same species... now I'm not saying god wanted us to bang other species (We don't need a manbearpig running around), however saying God wanted human races to be segregated is completely fallacious. Also, if you cut out the concept of Adam's loins carrying the genetic material of all to come, than how are we all related to original sin? The concept of original sin is that all humans were stained with sin because they were a part of Adam (in his loins as genetic material) when he committed the sin, henceforth to claim that you could possibly know Adam's race or to claim that it makes any type of difference whatsoever is absurd.
Regarding the response to my post that asked how I would explain Goliath w/ out the serpent seed theory... Genetic mutation or anomaly. Goliath's being a giant does not necessitate serpent seed theory.
Oh and no one has been able to address this concern, "Also, If you hold the analogy and language usage that this idea is based out of then when God told Adam and Eve they could eat the fruit of any tree in the garden he was basically saying you can have sex with any of these???????" I mean really from the interpretation you're using with this theory you're saying the garden of eden was a massive orgy wherein adam and eve could pork anything but "the tree of knowledge of good and evil".... do you hold this stance?
And regarding the flood being a "local" phenomenon "The water prevailed more and more upon the earth, so that all the high mountains everywhere under the heavens were covered The water prevailed 15 cubits higher and the mountains were covered" GE 7:19-21... you're claiming something quite odd if there were a flood that covered mountain tops that didn't cover the entire world...
I didn't come here to hate on this idea I was kind of hoping to learn something, but this has been quite ridiculous. What "manuscripts" would you recommend for me to read? If you say the Bible, which books? Is there a place online for one to read such texts as "The Book of Enoch"? Any help you serpent seeders can offer would be much appreciated.
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OK I'll post it again... I love the bible, and read it frequently.

I hate abuses in the church system. I DO NOT support the weird rolling, barking, or any other strange manifestation.

Also these things do NOT subtract from my point of few. Trying to associate that with me, is a weak way of trying to invalidate my point.


So in a lot of ways we are saying the same thing. Yet in another way we are on opposite ends of a debate.

I am saying that WE must come to understand that the bible has not always existed, man has not always been able to read. The same is true today. Many could not and even now many can not read.

Jesus speaks of hearing, not reading.

The word was spoken before it was ever written. The disciples were illiterate men.

So who or what is it that reaches a mans heart, when they come to Christ? Jesus says "No man can come to me unless the father draws him"...This whole process is a spirit thing.

Many things in scripture are unclear. We know we don't have all of Paul's writings. Some things have to be looked at as if reading between the lines.

For EX: Paul speaks about "A MAN" (in reality himself), who saw things and heard things unlawful for man. And that he experienced visions 3 times of the third heaven. The result was a thorn in the flesh, to keep him from spiritual pride. I do not believe it was a physical ailment, I believe Paul struggled with a habitual sin, in his life. Thus he wrote of the conflict he had, in Romans 6-8. God's reply to Paul was "My grace is sufficient"


All of this makes me think, Satan uses everything to deceive. He even uses the scriptures. Jesus says The sower soweth the word, he also says the devil sows seed.

Since sheep "HEAR" and others do not hear, how is their religion formed? I have an opinion...

First off let me say, I love the scriptures, I think they are from God, and are truth, this truth, is revealed by the author, and the author is to be known. The truth is within the text, explained by the same one who wrote it, if we interpret it; we end up with a private interpretation. The author is greater than the book, yet that doesn't diminish the book, or the truth that it contains.

Today many know the bible, but have never had God become real to them. Most people have never had God make himself known to them even through a beautiful sunset. To most God is just history, or he is way off in space somewhere. The importance is not in experiences, but instead experiencing God. I contend, you have to experienced God. Possibly he opens the scriptures to you, and makes them come alive; they became a "word" of God to you.

It would be like you and I having coffee everyday together, sharing life and all things included. We would age together and become deep friends. We may never have a spiritual experience, but we would definitely experience each other, as Moses experienced God at the tent, when Miriam and Aron spoke against Moses, and God spoke about how He and Moses were friends. Moses experienced God. God was experienced by everyone we read about in the OT and the NT.

You know the parable of the sower, the seeds sown by Jesus, and the seeds sown by the Devil. Those seeds manifest themselves for what they really are. These are people, could be religious, like the pharisees, who were called children of the devil by Jesus. They may be the nicest, sweetest people, but what seed are they of?

I fear that the so-called church, the large visible body that meets on the corner of every city in America is missing God. There are many within this so-called visible church (though fewer in number) that truly belong to Jesus, these are the invisible church. From my point of view, the visible church has sprung up not from experiencing God, but from its exposure to the bible "The Scriptures", but this is not necessarily so, of the invisible church "The Ecklesia".

For example most people throughout history couldn't read, we had no printing presses, and when printed most people couldn't afford the bible, this is seen during the dark ages, yet the ecklesia thrived. How? It wasn't because they had a bible; it was because God was real and made himself known to them. Possibly through someone who had a bible, but probably not.

Brother Lawrence / Laubach; in his book practicing the presence; makes the claim that God became real to him, by seeing a tree losing it leaves, knowing life would again come to the tree the following year.

Here forgive me.... Let me expound more and just be open, even though we don't know each other, possibly we can glean from one another as two who see the forest from different angles?

Could it be, that True and False Christianity...Are both produced by the Bible. Everything is about contrast (light, dark, evil, and good), or it's to express God's glory, and his many attributes...God even created evil for this purposes.

The contrast in Christianity is the true church, and the false church. The invisible ecklesia -vs- the large visible body of people in every church, on every corner. The wheat, and the chaff or tare. The good seed and the bad seed. The Pharisee, and Jesus, sheep and Goats, Light and darkness.

Today is a replay of the life of Jesus in his body singular (the one that died on the cross); now this body "His Body" is plural, many membered...The same prosecutions, torments, dying, will happen in us as it did in him. Now the Pharisees are the religious of today. True Christianity and false Christianity, is so close, to the real church, the real walk, the real life...So close that it could even fool the elect, if that were possible....

So how does God establish the tare, this large so-called church. Do we see it throughout time? Yes, and it all started with two trees. The tree of life, and the tree of knowledge. We see the essence of these two trees, in many forms. One is in the visible church, and the invisible church, the wheat and tare.

The large visible church exists and is sustained by the visible, tangible, written word (The Bible). They find themselves at home with the text, they can control it, they build laws, rules, religious rituals, and doctrines. By this same knowledge they also remove God, who is Spirit, out of their midst, issues of control, a form of religion, and rules, that denies the power thereof. There is no body ministry, led of God's Spirit.

Do you think this would all be obvious, and plainly visible, or only visible to us by discernment? It had to be hidden, even from those who were in the midst of it, or else they would not have participated. Both sides, real and false are hidden, even from themselves. If not hidden, you couldn't get anyone to participate in this plan of God.

I'm not against these people; most are genuine, nice, sweet people. But we are discussing truth here. Now God is revealing these things to us, and getting ready to reveal us to each other, to reveal the true church to herself, to reveal the false church to the true.

While most of the members of both groups are wonderful people and well intentioned, the visible false church, is still like the Pharisees of old. They search the scriptures daily, but won't come to Christ, that they might have life. In fact they were never destined to life, this is what the scriptures say, the body / the ecklesia / the invisible church has life, they were destined to life, from the beginning.

The true body, the ecklesia exist by "the word", they know a hidden walk, they know the masters voice. This has got to be the common denominator throughout time, since many could not read, and the few that could read, didn't have a copy of the bible. Yet the Ecklesia flourished, even in the dark ages, and in countries that never allowed sacred texts, like China, and Russia...

Today both flourish, and this thing called church, or churchianity, has said to all, we represent God. But they do not, and God is getting ready to show this world, his true church, the ecklesia....God's mercy, and the world demand such an event, to rid God, of the stain of falsehood. Whether that be TV preachers, or even all the pain caused to so many in the name of God by so-called Christianity, which was NOT Christianity, but instead, it was this false church the large, visible church, this system.

God is separating HIS people "The Ecclesia from this thing called church, "churchianity". He is building his kingdom, it is on the inside. That is what Jesus says.

There is no way for light and darkness to fellowship together and there is NO way all those people in all these churches are truly born again via an encounter with Christ. That encounter must take place...We must experience God.

So there is no way they can fellowship with you, or you with them, if you are part of that invisible "REAL" church, for what fellowship does light have with darkness. You might as well go to a Safeway store and try and "do church" with all the people there, it will not work.

Remember Jesus says "my sheep hear my voice", and man shall not live by bread alone, the word of the Lord came unto, peter rise and eat, ETC. You see what I mean? "The word of the Lord" via "The scriptures" can become a fresh word to you, but, we can not use the terms "The word" and "the bible" interchangeably.

The point I'm making is, there is a lot written in the bible about hearing, hardly anything about reading. Everything written in the bible was spoken before it was written. Genesis was spoken, and then written by Moses.

We must come to a common denominator, for people to receive Christ, to hear the message, or to experience Christianity, and it cannot be the bible, even though God has used the scriptures to do so on occasion. Still I love the scriptures, and they are true, they are God inspired. They have just been elevated to a position by this false church, where they have taken the place of God.

Also to express my point, do this: Every place in the scriptures where it says, "the word" or "the word came unto" replace every instance with "The bible"....It just will not make sense...

As far as people hearing "The word" vs studying "The scriptures" I see a big difference between the two. One is heard, one is read. Many can read, few can hear. One is always spoken, and one is written, but can be made alive to you, and become a spoken word. God also speaks apart from the scriptures, remember God spoke to Adam and Moses before there was a written bible.

Thus we have interchanged the two, elevating "The bible" above God, and the leading of the Spirit, and we have placed the bible above "The Word"...

I wonder, could we say that we love the scriptures, and that they are inspired, but God never meant for us to live by them, nor the Jewish people the Torah. But instead by the Spirit / the word / His breath...His words of promise, leading us into all truth?

We have two types of church. Those led by the Spirit, and those seeing and leaning only on "The book". I love the scriptures, and I have several bibles. BUT we must not elevate the bible above God, and I'm afraid that is what many churches (people) have done.

The "Word" and "The bible" are not one and the same...The common denominator throughout time Has been God reaching out to man, possibly by a sunset, or a person who was "LED" of the spirit to witnesses to you, or God speaks to you, but God has not, at all times used the bible. Of course there are times that the Spirit moves someone, through the use of Scripture, but that is not my point.

What do we say of the first 3000 years of man, until Moses wrote the Torah, where was God? He was doing what he has always done, personally interacting with man.

The faith we have is more than intellectual knowledge, it IS LIFE...Two trees were in the garden; today we face that same thing? "Knowledge" OR "Life"...
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One person in the scriptures who clearly illustrates your point is Job. He was not a jewish - he was not privy to the Torah, yet God called him His servant....Job exemplified the life completely surrendered to his Creator. And he clearly knew God personally - and God him, all without the benefit of the written word.
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Thank You...I enjoys your posts also...

I am way out there! I think even more so than you. Thus I reserve somethings to myself. I would like to share them, but fear many would misunderstand...

What you and I have shared about the word vs the scriptures is basic and easy to see, and look at the controversy this creates.

So what would happen if I described my freedom from temptation and sin, and the relationship it has in my life today compared to years ago?



OK I'll post it again... I love the bible, and read it frequently.

I hate abuses in the church system. I DO NOT support the weird rolling, barking, or any other strange manifestation.

Also these things do NOT subtract from my point of few. Trying to associate that with me, is a weak way of trying to invalidate my point.


So in a lot of ways we are saying the same thing. Yet in another way we are on opposite ends of a debate.

I am saying that WE must come to understand that the bible has not always existed, man has not always been able to read. The same is true today. Many could not and even now many can not read.

Jesus speaks of hearing, not reading.

The word was spoken before it was ever written. The disciples were illiterate men.

So who or what is it that reaches a mans heart, when they come to Christ? Jesus says "No man can come to me unless the father draws him"...This whole process is a spirit thing.

Many things in scripture are unclear. We know we don't have all of Paul's writings. Some things have to be looked at as if reading between the lines.

For EX: Paul speaks about "A MAN" (in reality himself), who saw things and heard things unlawful for man. And that he experienced visions 3 times of the third heaven. The result was a thorn in the flesh, to keep him from spiritual pride. I do not believe it was a physical ailment, I believe Paul struggled with a habitual sin, in his life. Thus he wrote of the conflict he had, in Romans 6-8. God's reply to Paul was "My grace is sufficient"


All of this makes me think, Satan uses everything to deceive. He even uses the scriptures. Jesus says The sower soweth the word, he also says the devil sows seed.

Since sheep "HEAR" and others do not hear, how is their religion formed? I have an opinion...

First off let me say, I love the scriptures, I think they are from God, and are truth, this truth, is revealed by the author, and the author is to be known. The truth is within the text, explained by the same one who wrote it, if we interpret it; we end up with a private interpretation. The author is greater than the book, yet that doesn't diminish the book, or the truth that it contains.

Today many know the bible, but have never had God become real to them. Most people have never had God make himself known to them even through a beautiful sunset. To most God is just history, or he is way off in space somewhere. The importance is not in experiences, but instead experiencing God. I contend, you have to experienced God. Possibly he opens the scriptures to you, and makes them come alive; they became a "word" of God to you.

It would be like you and I having coffee everyday together, sharing life and all things included. We would age together and become deep friends. We may never have a spiritual experience, but we would definitely experience each other, as Moses experienced God at the tent, when Miriam and Aron spoke against Moses, and God spoke about how He and Moses were friends. Moses experienced God. God was experienced by everyone we read about in the OT and the NT.

You know the parable of the sower, the seeds sown by Jesus, and the seeds sown by the Devil. Those seeds manifest themselves for what they really are. These are people, could be religious, like the pharisees, who were called children of the devil by Jesus. They may be the nicest, sweetest people, but what seed are they of?

I fear that the so-called church, the large visible body that meets on the corner of every city in America is missing God. There are many within this so-called visible church (though fewer in number) that truly belong to Jesus, these are the invisible church. From my point of view, the visible church has sprung up not from experiencing God, but from its exposure to the bible "The Scriptures", but this is not necessarily so, of the invisible church "The Ecklesia".

For example most people throughout history couldn't read, we had no printing presses, and when printed most people couldn't afford the bible, this is seen during the dark ages, yet the ecklesia thrived. How? It wasn't because they had a bible; it was because God was real and made himself known to them. Possibly through someone who had a bible, but probably not.

Brother Lawrence / Laubach; in his book practicing the presence; makes the claim that God became real to him, by seeing a tree losing it leaves, knowing life would again come to the tree the following year.

Here forgive me.... Let me expound more and just be open, even though we don't know each other, possibly we can glean from one another as two who see the forest from different angles?

Could it be, that True and False Christianity...Are both produced by the Bible. Everything is about contrast (light, dark, evil, and good), or it's to express God's glory, and his many attributes...God even created evil for this purposes.

The contrast in Christianity is the true church, and the false church. The invisible ecklesia -vs- the large visible body of people in every church, on every corner. The wheat, and the chaff or tare. The good seed and the bad seed. The Pharisee, and Jesus, sheep and Goats, Light and darkness.

Today is a replay of the life of Jesus in his body singular (the one that died on the cross); now this body "His Body" is plural, many membered...The same prosecutions, torments, dying, will happen in us as it did in him. Now the Pharisees are the religious of today. True Christianity and false Christianity, is so close, to the real church, the real walk, the real life...So close that it could even fool the elect, if that were possible....

So how does God establish the tare, this large so-called church. Do we see it throughout time? Yes, and it all started with two trees. The tree of life, and the tree of knowledge. We see the essence of these two trees, in many forms. One is in the visible church, and the invisible church, the wheat and tare.

The large visible church exists and is sustained by the visible, tangible, written word (The Bible). They find themselves at home with the text, they can control it, they build laws, rules, religious rituals, and doctrines. By this same knowledge they also remove God, who is Spirit, out of their midst, issues of control, a form of religion, and rules, that denies the power thereof. There is no body ministry, led of God's Spirit.

Do you think this would all be obvious, and plainly visible, or only visible to us by discernment? It had to be hidden, even from those who were in the midst of it, or else they would not have participated. Both sides, real and false are hidden, even from themselves. If not hidden, you couldn't get anyone to participate in this plan of God.

I'm not against these people; most are genuine, nice, sweet people. But we are discussing truth here. Now God is revealing these things to us, and getting ready to reveal us to each other, to reveal the true church to herself, to reveal the false church to the true.

While most of the members of both groups are wonderful people and well intentioned, the visible false church, is still like the Pharisees of old. They search the scriptures daily, but won't come to Christ, that they might have life. In fact they were never destined to life, this is what the scriptures say, the body / the ecklesia / the invisible church has life, they were destined to life, from the beginning.

The true body, the ecklesia exist by "the word", they know a hidden walk, they know the masters voice. This has got to be the common denominator throughout time, since many could not read, and the few that could read, didn't have a copy of the bible. Yet the Ecklesia flourished, even in the dark ages, and in countries that never allowed sacred texts, like China, and Russia...

Today both flourish, and this thing called church, or churchianity, has said to all, we represent God. But they do not, and God is getting ready to show this world, his true church, the ecklesia....God's mercy, and the world demand such an event, to rid God, of the stain of falsehood. Whether that be TV preachers, or even all the pain caused to so many in the name of God by so-called Christianity, which was NOT Christianity, but instead, it was this false church the large, visible church, this system.

God is separating HIS people "The Ecclesia from this thing called church, "churchianity". He is building his kingdom, it is on the inside. That is what Jesus says.

There is no way for light and darkness to fellowship together and there is NO way all those people in all these churches are truly born again via an encounter with Christ. That encounter must take place...We must experience God.

So there is no way they can fellowship with you, or you with them, if you are part of that invisible "REAL" church, for what fellowship does light have with darkness. You might as well go to a Safeway store and try and "do church" with all the people there, it will not work.

Remember Jesus says "my sheep hear my voice", and man shall not live by bread alone, the word of the Lord came unto, peter rise and eat, ETC. You see what I mean? "The word of the Lord" via "The scriptures" can become a fresh word to you, but, we can not use the terms "The word" and "the bible" interchangeably.

The point I'm making is, there is a lot written in the bible about hearing, hardly anything about reading. Everything written in the bible was spoken before it was written. Genesis was spoken, and then written by Moses.

We must come to a common denominator, for people to receive Christ, to hear the message, or to experience Christianity, and it cannot be the bible, even though God has used the scriptures to do so on occasion. Still I love the scriptures, and they are true, they are God inspired. They have just been elevated to a position by this false church, where they have taken the place of God.

Also to express my point, do this: Every place in the scriptures where it says, "the word" or "the word came unto" replace every instance with "The bible"....It just will not make sense...

As far as people hearing "The word" vs studying "The scriptures" I see a big difference between the two. One is heard, one is read. Many can read, few can hear. One is always spoken, and one is written, but can be made alive to you, and become a spoken word. God also speaks apart from the scriptures, remember God spoke to Adam and Moses before there was a written bible.

Thus we have interchanged the two, elevating "The bible" above God, and the leading of the Spirit, and we have placed the bible above "The Word"...

I wonder, could we say that we love the scriptures, and that they are inspired, but God never meant for us to live by them, nor the Jewish people the Torah. But instead by the Spirit / the word / His breath...His words of promise, leading us into all truth?

We have two types of church. Those led by the Spirit, and those seeing and leaning only on "The book". I love the scriptures, and I have several bibles. BUT we must not elevate the bible above God, and I'm afraid that is what many churches (people) have done.

The "Word" and "The bible" are not one and the same...The common denominator throughout time Has been God reaching out to man, possibly by a sunset, or a person who was "LED" of the spirit to witnesses to you, or God speaks to you, but God has not, at all times used the bible. Of course there are times that the Spirit moves someone, through the use of Scripture, but that is not my point.

What do we say of the first 3000 years of man, until Moses wrote the Torah, where was God? He was doing what he has always done, personally interacting with man.

The faith we have is more than intellectual knowledge, it IS LIFE...Two trees were in the garden; today we face that same thing? "Knowledge" OR "Life"...
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I really think this is cool how you've outlined this. Great post!!
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jewish people being used and Manipulated???? You've got to be kidding me, they control and run everything. Since when is the person who is in control being manipulated? It works the other way around the one who runs things usually manipulates and controls. And the one under the control of others is usually manipulated.
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If what your saying is true then that means the fake jewish people of today are related to whites, half white, because they came from eve who is a white woman. True or false?
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Yes this is definately true Cain was a half white man and I'm sure that jewish people have some white in them too. But I dont see what your point is anyways. Esau was full white and related to Jacob yet he has absolutely Nothing to do with white Israel despite being a full white man. It seems your looking for some way to blame white people and by claiming somebody is 5% white that white's are manipulating them is crazy. Ishmael was white too. You've got to be full white anywyays to even classify as a white person. Cain is a hybrid just like the nephilim decendants.
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I would love to help you...But my life in Christ has been very unusual, and full of failures, and extreme circumstances. These things have shaped me. You can't give your life experiences to another.

EX:
You and I go to see the Sistine chapel, in fact you are a professor at the local university, you know all about the painting and the man who painted it. You have spent countless hours pouring over every line, every brush stroke. You know more about Micheal Angelo than any man alive.

YET....We could not compare this to even one day, of the life of the painter himself. We couldn't begin to know that painting like the painter, as he struggled to make it perfect.

SOOOOO...How can I help? How about this...I will share my testimony, since I am the work of Christ, I'll share what he started to do in me many years ago OK?

His story/My story:

Below my testimony, are 4 dreams. I have dreams, most I don't remember, and the ones that I do remember are usually stupid. But these 4 were as if I were really there...


MY STORY:
I came from a violent home, (drugs, alcohol, gun shots, being chased with knives, people thrown through picture pane windows), in fact I was born three months early because my father kicked my mother in the stomach, I was born weighing two pounds nine ounces, this was DEC of 1956.

As early as 7yrs old, I was out on the streets till 3-4am, I was put in three orphanages... One night I remember, my father snuck into our house, he put a loaded pistol in my hand and told me too shoot my sisters and my mother, it was crazy. Through all of this, (which I wouldn't change), I came out a fairly normal kid, I was involved in sports and didn't do drugs, or drink. I thought I was a survivor, wanting only too make it through another day.

At age 16 (in 1974) I started too sense a need in my life, an emptiness that I couldn't explain. I knew I had too find God/Jesus, but who was HE? I had no idea where too find HIM, so I went to the local library to find books concerning world religions, God, and the occult. At the library I met an ex hippie (Gary Osborn) he saw my books and decided too share the message with me. Gary invited me to pray in the back of his V.W. so I did, I remember saying "God forgive me for my sins, and whatever you have for me I want it all".

Well at first nothing happened I expected, lightening or something. Gary said, "Just go home and praise God" I said, "What's that, mean" Gary said, "Just thank him" So I did just that.

The remaining is sacred to me, before I asked Jesus into my heart, I never heard voices, I never drank, and I never did drugs, but one week after meeting Jesus while in the middle of my last class (during high school) A voice, just as clear, as someone standing next too you, spoke, and as the voice spoke it said to me, "rod tell them about Jesus" I was surprised, but unafraid, I put my hand over my mouth, since I didn't want anyone too think I was talking too myself, I said (to whoever spoke too me) "I don't know what to say" the voice said "don't be afraid, I'll give you the words to say" To this day I don't remember my words, but I spoke too those kids about Jesus and salvation, their mouths just dropped open and then, class was over, I walked out of that room, feeling like I had never felt before.

The next day was Saturday; I slept in the living room on an old couch. When I woke it was early and I decided too turn on the TV, to watch my favorite cartoon, the roadrunner.

As I sat there watching the TV, I got up and looked outside, everything was so beautiful, (I never appreciated nature, I just wanted too make it thru another day). BUT now it was so pretty, I sat back down on the couch, and as I did I was somewhere else.

I was sitting at a long rough hewn table, to my right was God, the father, I couldn't see him, to my left was Satan, him I could see (he looked like a man only very big) then in front of me was Jesus, three bowls appear, filled with what looked like porridge. Now the father spoke and said Satan dismiss yourself, Satan stood and screamed, then vanished. Three bites were taken out of the bowl. Then all at once I was watching myself from a distance, walking with Jesus up a grassy pathway. Jesus was speaking to me but from a distance I couldn't hear him, I could see myself shaking my head (like I understand) then thru my eyes I saw the house where I had been sleeping.

I didn't know what had happened; I'd never experienced anything like that, but I knew two things, I had too find a pastor to talk too, and I KNEW GOD loved me and wanted something from me...my total surrender, my life totally under his control, every second, moment by moment, and I was consumed with this one desire, to live too PLEASE HIM. Let me give you an example: When a friend from school would come over and say, "Hey rod." "Let's go to a show" I'd say, "hold on." Then Id go in the bathroom and pray, "Lord should I go?" Sometimes the Lord would say "go", sometimes "no" At times He was silent, when this happened I would look inside, to my heart, (Spirit), (see Colossians 3:15) if I had peace I would go, If not, Id stay home.

As I practiced this new desire, (surrender), I noticed the voice of the Lord became more frequent and clearer, (John 10:27). It always had to agree with scripture. The word of the Lord will always agree with the true meaning and / or the true interpretation of scripture).

I new I needed to get a bible, I went to a bookstore and I got the largest family bible Id ever seen, with pictures and everything. I was so happy. That night the voice of the lord said, "Read Matthew 5." I had to look in the contents; I didn't know where Matthew was. When I found it and started too read, the words became a ("Word of the Lord to me") they just jumped off the page, they seemed to come alive, and they filled me, with hope, love and peace. Now I knew God loved me, and my sins were gone, I was forgiven...

As time passed I grew, sometimes Id walk into a busy office or building (like a D.O.L) and the Lord would say go sit by that guy, I would strike up a conversation, then say "you don't know me but I'm a Christian and God is going too share with me about your life" I don't mean simple things like "you have the flu" or "Headaches", but deep, personal things that others couldn't know or even guess. People would usually start to cry and ask "how did you know?" I'd say "I didn't but God knew".

One of the best lessons from the Lord concerning trusting Him happened like this; I was traveling from Philly to Atlantic city, I got on the road, and started to hitch a ride, (it wasn't illegal at that time) within one hour and twenty minuets I was in Atlantic city (which was a one hour drive!) I got 4 different rides, as I stepped into each vehicle I boldly proclaimed "Hi I'm a child of the King, and God's going to bless you for picking me up!" God gave me very personal details about each of those people and all but one came to Christ.

When I got to Atlantic City, God said "Rod, when you get to the prayer meeting tonight I want you to give all your money, to Johnnie Diaz". I said "Lord that's all I've got?" (About 300.00) God replied; "you take care of your brothers and sisters in the Lord and I'll take care of you." So upon arriving in Atlantic City, I secretly gave all my money to Johnnie, (this was to cover something for Johnnie that was very personal, so I know he didn't share this with anyone).

That night I asked myself "how am I going to get back to work, tomorrow? I didn't have a penny, not even enough for bus fare, and in my spirit I knew I wasn't to hitch hike, but instead the Lord wanted me on the bus. After sleeping that night and leaving the brothers house the next day, (where the meeting had been held), I started walking to the bus station. As I got closer and closer, I was imagining, "is the drivers going to just "know" he's suppose to let me ride for free?" But as I approached the depot, a brother named "Chicky" came out of his house and said "rod I think the Lord wants me to give this to you." It was exactly what I needed for bus fare!

This has been a short summary of my life, oh one more thing. Life didn't continue this way for me, I ruined that. I don't live surrendered moment by moment now, or my heart is hidden from me, I'm just not sure. Where does man find the will and desire to live such a life, or is it a gift as is repentance?

Should I confess the most difficult thing in my life with you? After all we are strangers! After living this way for sometime and seeing my life change, and having peace beyond comprehension, I disobeyed the lord after he spoke too me. I lived to obey him, it was my passion…I knew a man, he was a believer, and his name was Bob Chorney. Bob was like the father I never had. Bob is dead now, I loved him very much, and we forgave one another.

One day I went to visit Bob, we talked and prayed for a while then Bob said, "rod", "Paula is gone (Bob's wife). "Why don't you go to dinner with me"? Immediately the Lord spoke and said "rod don't go" I said Bobby I can't go. He said "oh rod go with me ". I said Bob I can't. I prayed back too the lord, in my mind saying "Lord it will be alright, you know I don't drink, I'll just eat something with Bob" The Lord didn't reply. So we went. All was well until a brother named Aggie Rodriguez, started to argue with Bob, I couldn't watch, so I started to leave, as I went outside Bob said "Rod if your going to walk you might as well walk all the way back too Washington, and don't come back" OH the pain. Well the next morning, Bob and Paula showed up, Bob said "rod forgive me I'm so sorry", the Lord spoke instantly and said "rod forgive him, go too him tell him it's ok and that you love him". I said "Lord I can't. I won't, it hurts too bad".

Soon I left for Washington. My life, outside of God's will, was torture. No peace, no answers, sin in total control.

Jean Nicholas Grou says, "God delights in two things, for a man too know God and too know himself." I now know what I'm capable of without him, living life for myself, Sinning, being rebellious. I want to recommend a couple books that I discovered a few years ago, the book is "Practicing the presence" BY Lawrence and Labach, there are two versions this one is best and includes Labach's testimony. "Hinds feet on High places" and "The breaking of the outer man for the release of the spirit" By Watchman Nee are very good also.

Now let me share some thoughts/opinions:

1).How do you describe this LIFE? As a Christian it's hard to do. As I recall moments in my own life, I think of times of stillness, in the midst of activity or in the quiet of night. The presence of His Spirit was there, sometimes speaking other times He was silent, yet the undeniable presence of His Spirit was so real. You couldn't describe it too anyone else, sometimes he was so near, almost physical, at other times He was, just felt, deep in your heart.

I could at times think, and He would answer. Sometimes the answer was spoken, and at other times it was a still small voice in my heart.

Sometimes I would see a person, and while looking at them, I knew about them.

I recall the passion to tell others about him at any given moment, looking for such an occasion never caring where I was, or who was near by.

Constantly His Love moved over me in waves and yet it abode, never departing. I would wake up in the middle of the night and He was there, like a mother hen.

I remember the love for others that was not my own. I remember feeling, and being, separate from the world yet still in its midst.

I recall not worrying about the kind of car I drove, or the condition of my clothes, knowing that He was fully aware of all these things.

I recall being invited out for dinner with brothers, and thinking (silently between myself and God), "Lord I don't have any money, but I'm hungry" and then someone would say "hey rod I'll buy ok?" Do you have days like this?

Do you remember days like this from your past? I believe this is something no one can take from us. This is why WE MUST EXPERIENCE GOD! Experiencing God is more important than the scriptures! You see if you experience HIM then, Bible revelation can be added to you. But if you don't experience HIM first then Bible knowledge is just a compilation of facts, they are true, but they don't have any place of reference, without HIM.

2).Most of my life, at least as far back as I can remember I've had a desire and love for God/Jesus. As I've grown older, I've seen many things in "Christendom", I've seen communes (come and go in failure). I've seen myself and other brothers walk in their own ways (you might call it backsliding), I've been hurt by supposed brothers in Christ, I've seen TV preachers act cocky, and ridiculous, I've seen people chase tithes and money, I've seen people in big churches (faithful tithers) go without help while in need, I've seen people chase their own kingdom and building programs. I've seen people pretend to prophecy, knowing they were not HEARING from HIM, (and in failure, excuse themselves by saying they were practicing), I've seen names in lights (but not Jesus name). I've seen people destroyed by the shepherding movement. I've seen men of god after devoting their lives to "the ministry" destroyed after a single mistake, instead of forgiven. On and on I could go... So does any of the above remind you of the book of acts or the first group of believers?

3).The first century church in the New Testament turned the world upside down in a short time NOT because of their words alone but because of the LIFE residing IN them. This was a spirit thing...NOT a mental thing, it wasn't an agreement with certain doctrines or creeds, it wasn't from arguing the scriptures, it wasn't from forming a new church or denomination, they had and were living LIFE like Jesus 24/7 every moment of each day, a life of submission, pleasing the father, a life defined by others as "seeing they had been with Jesus".

4). In the 1860's 1900's 1940's 1960's we saw the beginning of several moves of God upon people who were desperate to know HIM. They found the one they were seeking for.

Then shortly after in each time period, (even in the new testament) we see charlatans, hirelings move in among the sheep of God, these men who really don't know the master teach doctrines not from revelation via an intimate relationship. But from the minds of others who were also like themselves, who teach only from the tree of knowledge: From the mind of one man to the mind of another, thereby polluting the little sheep and convincing others, because the so-called doctrines of men are believed by the masses also. This is such a subtle thing that it can inhibit your walk, because you're not discipled but instead taught by men who have never had an intimate walk with God. So as believers we must know Him and find revelation that agrees with the scriptures, and or that changes our understanding of the scriptures.

5). A Christian historian tells a true story about a peasant in the 1600's living under the rule of the Catholic Church. The peasant is working the field and a cardinal and his procession go by, as they approach the cardinal speaks to the peasant, about a new edict from Rome. The cardinal quotes a verse of scripture; the peasant replies that the cardinal quoted the verse incorrectly. The cardinal says to the peasant "How would you know, being you are unlearned and illiterate?" The peasant replies: "because the spirit IN ME said you quoted it wrong"!

How true this is, if we only have the book and don't hear that still small voice on the inside, from the throne of our heart the center of HIS kingdom! Then I fear we miss the most important piece of intimacy, yet HIS Word and HIS scriptures work together, one a current guide for us THE NOW and the other, which can still speak but was spoken to another hundreds of years ago, serves as a foundation. But We live by breath, and the words that proceed from the mouth of God, "My sheep know my voice" "for those who are sons of God are led of the spirit of God"



Here is Dream #1:

I was on the head of a beast, in a large body of water (Like the ocean). It was night and the darkness was so real it could be felt. The clouds above were very thick and black. The beast was thrashing as if it wanted to throw me off. I was so afraid!
I was holding on as tight as I could. Then I looked up, and when I did, the clouds opened and rays of light came through the clouds, with the light came that voice that I had heard before and knew so well.

He said "Rod; if I'm ever to use you, I must break you"!
I woke, wet with sweat, shaking...Saying as I woke, "thank you, Lord you haven't forgotten me"

Here is Dream #2:

I am in a church; it is a large church, one that in reality I have never seen. This was a dream that was so real; it was as if I were really there.
In the dream I am cleaning the bathroom floor, on my hands and knees, with a small brush. I stand as a priest comes into the room. I start to speak to him, about spiritual things, he listens, and then I leave the restroom and enter the foyer.

I notice the large room is built in a round fashion and that the windows are also large. People are leaving to go outside. As I exit the building, an earthquake hits, I look up and the sky is doing this "warp 9 star trek" kind of thing. I look to my left and I notice a man is in his car, his head is bleeding, he is dead.

Everyone starts to rejoice, saying "yes that is the big one"! I yell "No". "There is another one coming, and it is much larger"

I start to run for my home, and as I cross a large open area, I reach what looks like a ditch. I jump, but instead of a ditch it a huge open area, a chasm, the ground thousands of feet below! I start to fall so fast, picking up speed as I fall. I yell out "Jesus save me" Something grabs me and lowers me to the ground gently...I start running again.

Here is Dream # 3.

I see a street sign, the name on the sign is Jordan Road. I am walking and then I get picked up by someone in a van. He asks were I'm going and I tell him a few miles ahead.

Then as we reach the destination, I thank him, and look to my right, there is a house in a field. The house is glowing and the light is emanating from the inside of the house, and is visible to me even from a distance.

I know the people within the house are waiting for me, and that I have been somewhere, doing HIS will / work, and that I traveled in a spiritual way, but arrived back in the van.

The love and light from the house are supernatural, the love I feel for them, and the love I perceive from them is not normal love.


Here is Dream # 4:

I am in a large room, with many people, I recognize one or two people, the room is full of people from many different places.

I am standing on a raised platform, that is approx 6-8 inches higher than the floor.

Then I know I am suppose to speak the following words; "Holy Spirit come"...

When I speak the words, God's presence comes very heavy, most fall down, some start to weep and convulse, others are crying for joy.






By your words, you cut off all the teachings of Christ and only use on thing to state your opinion.
Help me understand why I should listen to your words when Christ told me to listen, and read?

help me.
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Thank YOU..

People or church types just seem to never agree..

enough for one day....arrrg.... got to lighten up, going to go play some call of duty....




OK I'll post it again... I love the bible, and read it frequently.

I hate abuses in the church system. I DO NOT support the weird rolling, barking, or any other strange manifestation.

Also these things do NOT subtract from my point of few. Trying to associate that with me, is a weak way of trying to invalidate my point.


So in a lot of ways we are saying the same thing. Yet in another way we are on opposite ends of a debate.

I am saying that WE must come to understand that the bible has not always existed, man has not always been able to read. The same is true today. Many could not and even now many can not read.

Jesus speaks of hearing, not reading.

The word was spoken before it was ever written. The disciples were illiterate men.

So who or what is it that reaches a mans heart, when they come to Christ? Jesus says "No man can come to me unless the father draws him"...This whole process is a spirit thing.

Many things in scripture are unclear. We know we don't have all of Paul's writings. Some things have to be looked at as if reading between the lines.

For EX: Paul speaks about "A MAN" (in reality himself), who saw things and heard things unlawful for man. And that he experienced visions 3 times of the third heaven. The result was a thorn in the flesh, to keep him from spiritual pride. I do not believe it was a physical ailment, I believe Paul struggled with a habitual sin, in his life. Thus he wrote of the conflict he had, in Romans 6-8. God's reply to Paul was "My grace is sufficient"


All of this makes me think, Satan uses everything to deceive. He even uses the scriptures. Jesus says The sower soweth the word, he also says the devil sows seed.

Since sheep "HEAR" and others do not hear, how is their religion formed? I have an opinion...

First off let me say, I love the scriptures, I think they are from God, and are truth, this truth, is revealed by the author, and the author is to be known. The truth is within the text, explained by the same one who wrote it, if we interpret it; we end up with a private interpretation. The author is greater than the book, yet that doesn't diminish the book, or the truth that it contains.

Today many know the bible, but have never had God become real to them. Most people have never had God make himself known to them even through a beautiful sunset. To most God is just history, or he is way off in space somewhere. The importance is not in experiences, but instead experiencing God. I contend, you have to experienced God. Possibly he opens the scriptures to you, and makes them come alive; they became a "word" of God to you.

It would be like you and I having coffee everyday together, sharing life and all things included. We would age together and become deep friends. We may never have a spiritual experience, but we would definitely experience each other, as Moses experienced God at the tent, when Miriam and Aron spoke against Moses, and God spoke about how He and Moses were friends. Moses experienced God. God was experienced by everyone we read about in the OT and the NT.

You know the parable of the sower, the seeds sown by Jesus, and the seeds sown by the Devil. Those seeds manifest themselves for what they really are. These are people, could be religious, like the pharisees, who were called children of the devil by Jesus. They may be the nicest, sweetest people, but what seed are they of?

I fear that the so-called church, the large visible body that meets on the corner of every city in America is missing God. There are many within this so-called visible church (though fewer in number) that truly belong to Jesus, these are the invisible church. From my point of view, the visible church has sprung up not from experiencing God, but from its exposure to the bible "The Scriptures", but this is not necessarily so, of the invisible church "The Ecklesia".

For example most people throughout history couldn't read, we had no printing presses, and when printed most people couldn't afford the bible, this is seen during the dark ages, yet the ecklesia thrived. How? It wasn't because they had a bible; it was because God was real and made himself known to them. Possibly through someone who had a bible, but probably not.

Brother Lawrence / Laubach; in his book practicing the presence; makes the claim that God became real to him, by seeing a tree losing it leaves, knowing life would again come to the tree the following year.

Here forgive me.... Let me expound more and just be open, even though we don't know each other, possibly we can glean from one another as two who see the forest from different angles?

Could it be, that True and False Christianity...Are both produced by the Bible. Everything is about contrast (light, dark, evil, and good), or it's to express God's glory, and his many attributes...God even created evil for this purposes.

The contrast in Christianity is the true church, and the false church. The invisible ecklesia -vs- the large visible body of people in every church, on every corner. The wheat, and the chaff or tare. The good seed and the bad seed. The Pharisee, and Jesus, sheep and Goats, Light and darkness.

Today is a replay of the life of Jesus in his body singular (the one that died on the cross); now this body "His Body" is plural, many membered...The same prosecutions, torments, dying, will happen in us as it did in him. Now the Pharisees are the religious of today. True Christianity and false Christianity, is so close, to the real church, the real walk, the real life...So close that it could even fool the elect, if that were possible....

So how does God establish the tare, this large so-called church. Do we see it throughout time? Yes, and it all started with two trees. The tree of life, and the tree of knowledge. We see the essence of these two trees, in many forms. One is in the visible church, and the invisible church, the wheat and tare.

The large visible church exists and is sustained by the visible, tangible, written word (The Bible). They find themselves at home with the text, they can control it, they build laws, rules, religious rituals, and doctrines. By this same knowledge they also remove God, who is Spirit, out of their midst, issues of control, a form of religion, and rules, that denies the power thereof. There is no body ministry, led of God's Spirit.

Do you think this would all be obvious, and plainly visible, or only visible to us by discernment? It had to be hidden, even from those who were in the midst of it, or else they would not have participated. Both sides, real and false are hidden, even from themselves. If not hidden, you couldn't get anyone to participate in this plan of God.

I'm not against these people; most are genuine, nice, sweet people. But we are discussing truth here. Now God is revealing these things to us, and getting ready to reveal us to each other, to reveal the true church to herself, to reveal the false church to the true.

While most of the members of both groups are wonderful people and well intentioned, the visible false church, is still like the Pharisees of old. They search the scriptures daily, but won't come to Christ, that they might have life. In fact they were never destined to life, this is what the scriptures say, the body / the ecklesia / the invisible church has life, they were destined to life, from the beginning.

The true body, the ecklesia exist by "the word", they know a hidden walk, they know the masters voice. This has got to be the common denominator throughout time, since many could not read, and the few that could read, didn't have a copy of the bible. Yet the Ecklesia flourished, even in the dark ages, and in countries that never allowed sacred texts, like China, and Russia...

Today both flourish, and this thing called church, or churchianity, has said to all, we represent God. But they do not, and God is getting ready to show this world, his true church, the ecklesia....God's mercy, and the world demand such an event, to rid God, of the stain of falsehood. Whether that be TV preachers, or even all the pain caused to so many in the name of God by so-called Christianity, which was NOT Christianity, but instead, it was this false church the large, visible church, this system.

God is separating HIS people "The Ecclesia from this thing called church, "churchianity". He is building his kingdom, it is on the inside. That is what Jesus says.

There is no way for light and darkness to fellowship together and there is NO way all those people in all these churches are truly born again via an encounter with Christ. That encounter must take place...We must experience God.

So there is no way they can fellowship with you, or you with them, if you are part of that invisible "REAL" church, for what fellowship does light have with darkness. You might as well go to a Safeway store and try and "do church" with all the people there, it will not work.

Remember Jesus says "my sheep hear my voice", and man shall not live by bread alone, the word of the Lord came unto, peter rise and eat, ETC. You see what I mean? "The word of the Lord" via "The scriptures" can become a fresh word to you, but, we can not use the terms "The word" and "the bible" interchangeably.

The point I'm making is, there is a lot written in the bible about hearing, hardly anything about reading. Everything written in the bible was spoken before it was written. Genesis was spoken, and then written by Moses.

We must come to a common denominator, for people to receive Christ, to hear the message, or to experience Christianity, and it cannot be the bible, even though God has used the scriptures to do so on occasion. Still I love the scriptures, and they are true, they are God inspired. They have just been elevated to a position by this false church, where they have taken the place of God.

Also to express my point, do this: Every place in the scriptures where it says, "the word" or "the word came unto" replace every instance with "The bible"....It just will not make sense...

As far as people hearing "The word" vs studying "The scriptures" I see a big difference between the two. One is heard, one is read. Many can read, few can hear. One is always spoken, and one is written, but can be made alive to you, and become a spoken word. God also speaks apart from the scriptures, remember God spoke to Adam and Moses before there was a written bible.

Thus we have interchanged the two, elevating "The bible" above God, and the leading of the Spirit, and we have placed the bible above "The Word"...

I wonder, could we say that we love the scriptures, and that they are inspired, but God never meant for us to live by them, nor the Jewish people the Torah. But instead by the Spirit / the word / His breath...His words of promise, leading us into all truth?

We have two types of church. Those led by the Spirit, and those seeing and leaning only on "The book". I love the scriptures, and I have several bibles. BUT we must not elevate the bible above God, and I'm afraid that is what many churches (people) have done.

The "Word" and "The bible" are not one and the same...The common denominator throughout time Has been God reaching out to man, possibly by a sunset, or a person who was "LED" of the spirit to witnesses to you, or God speaks to you, but God has not, at all times used the bible. Of course there are times that the Spirit moves someone, through the use of Scripture, but that is not my point.

What do we say of the first 3000 years of man, until Moses wrote the Torah, where was God? He was doing what he has always done, personally interacting with man.

The faith we have is more than intellectual knowledge, it IS LIFE...Two trees were in the garden; today we face that same thing? "Knowledge" OR "Life"...
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One person in the scriptures who clearly illustrates your point is Job. He was not a jewish - he was not privy to the Torah, yet God called him His servant....Job exemplified the life completely surrendered to his Creator. And he clearly knew God personally - and God him, all without the benefit of the written word.
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I think that it could be very true, alot of scholars believe Satan was human and not a snake and fruit was just a symbol.


I am reading a book that is amazing!! Its called The Nephelium and Pyrimids of the Apocolopse by Patrick Heron .

OP you have to read this book I just read it and WOW were eyes opened!!


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jewish people being used and Manipulated???? You've got to be kidding me, they control and run everything. Since when is the person who is in control being manipulated? It works the other way around the one who runs things usually manipulates and controls. And the one under the control of others is usually manipulated.
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If what your saying is true then that means the fake jewish people of today are related to whites, half white, because they came from eve who is a white woman. True or false?
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Yes this is definately true Cain was a half white man and I'm sure that jewish people have some white in them too. But I dont see what your point is anyways. Esau was full white and related to Jacob yet he has absolutely Nothing to do with white Israel despite being a full white man. It seems your looking for some way to blame white people and by claiming somebody is 5% white that white's are manipulating them is crazy. Ishmael was white too. You've got to be full white anywyays to even classify as a white person. Cain is a hybrid just like the nephilim decendants.
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If Cain was half white and half serpent and his descendants are the fake jewish people, then that means these fake jewish people are related to you because you have the same mom. lol

The whites/serpent seed are manipulating the fake jewish people/khazars/ashkenazis. Just because you see the fake jewish people running the banks and the media doesnt mean its them running it. They are just the minions.

Who were the ones that infiltrated the scribes? Who were the ones who taught the khazars about the talmud? White/Serpent seed rabbis.
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Thank You...I enjoys your posts also...

I am way out there! I think even more so than you. Thus I reserve somethings to myself. I would like to share them, but fear many would misunderstand...

What you and I have shared about the word vs the scriptures is basic and easy to see, and look at the controversy this creates.

So what would happen if I described my freedom from temptation and sin, and the relationship it has in my life today compared to years ago?



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I am so out there that the only person I know who understands what I'm talking about is my husband..........I come from a very large, very non-denominational family who all think I've "gone down a concerning path."

I've had some experiences with regard to my walk that I don't talk about with anyone. It's difficult not to have others who understand things in the same way that you do. And so I feel compelled to keep mum about most of it as well.

What if you started a thread of your own? I know I am very interested in hearing of your experiences.

It would be interesting, (and heartening), to find out if there are any others on this site who may have had similar experiences, you know?

If you DO start a thread about it, let me know if you can. You can just respond to this I guess - I can't get pm's on this.

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jewish people being used and Manipulated???? You've got to be kidding me, they control and run everything. Since when is the person who is in control being manipulated? It works the other way around the one who runs things usually manipulates and controls. And the one under the control of others is usually manipulated.
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If what your saying is true then that means the fake jewish people of today are related to whites, half white, because they came from eve who is a white woman. True or false?
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Yes this is definately true Cain was a half white man and I'm sure that jewish people have some white in them too. But I dont see what your point is anyways. Esau was full white and related to Jacob yet he has absolutely Nothing to do with white Israel despite being a full white man. It seems your looking for some way to blame white people and by claiming somebody is 5% white that white's are manipulating them is crazy. Ishmael was white too. You've got to be full white anywyays to even classify as a white person. Cain is a hybrid just like the nephilim decendants.
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If Cain was half white and half serpent and his descendants are the fake jewish people, then that means these fake jewish people are related to you because you have the same mom. lol

The whites/serpent seed are manipulating the fake jewish people/khazars/ashkenazis. Just because you see the fake jewish people running the banks and the media doesnt mean its them running it. They are just the minions.

Who were the ones that infiltrated the scribes? Who were the ones who taught the khazars about the talmud? White/Serpent seed rabbis.
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Yes white's are distantly related to jewish people, I have never said white's are not related to jewish people or Cainaanites at all. I said white's are not related to blacks and Mongoloids who are pre adamic. The Sephardic jewish people taught the Khazars about Judaism. Sephardic jewish people are decendants of Esau and he race mixed so therefore his decendants are not white. The Serpent Seed was only half white. Being half white does not make one white. Why do you think Halley Berri and Obama are considered black despite being half white like Cain. So the Serpent Seed are not white because you have to be full white to classify as white anyways. If white's were in Control jewish people wouldn't be holding positions of power in the U.S.
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So to be short and simple being half white does not make you white. The Serpent seed line are mixed breeds therefore they are not white. jewish people are a very hybrid type people. Having white ancestry does not mean you are under the control of white's. What are you a 12 year old to think this? I guess you are out to prove that having white ancestry means you are being controlled by whites???? Hmmmm never heard a strange theory like this.
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So to be short and simple being half white does not make you white. The Serpent seed line are mixed breeds therefore they are not white. jewish people are a very hybrid type people. Having white ancestry does not mean you are under the control of white's. What are you a 12 year old to think this? I guess you are out to prove that having white ancestry means you are being controlled by whites???? Hmmmm never heard a strange theory like this.
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Khazars and sephardic jewish people are not the ones in control. Its white people who mixed with the serpent dna. Plain and simple. They are the ones who are controlling the fake jewish people.
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OK I'll post it again... I love the bible, and read it frequently.

I hate abuses in the church system. I DO NOT support the weird rolling, barking, or any other strange manifestation.

Also these things do NOT subtract from my point of few. Trying to associate that with me, is a weak way of trying to invalidate my point.


So in a lot of ways we are saying the same thing. Yet in another way we are on opposite ends of a debate.

I am saying that WE must come to understand that the bible has not always existed, man has not always been able to read. The same is true today. Many could not and even now many can not read.

Jesus speaks of hearing, not reading.

The word was spoken before it was ever written. The disciples were illiterate men.

So who or what is it that reaches a mans heart, when they come to Christ? Jesus says "No man can come to me unless the father draws him"...This whole process is a spirit thing.

Many things in scripture are unclear. We know we don't have all of Paul's writings. Some things have to be looked at as if reading between the lines.

For EX: Paul speaks about "A MAN" (in reality himself), who saw things and heard things unlawful for man. And that he experienced visions 3 times of the third heaven. The result was a thorn in the flesh, to keep him from spiritual pride. I do not believe it was a physical ailment, I believe Paul struggled with a habitual sin, in his life. Thus he wrote of the conflict he had, in Romans 6-8. God's reply to Paul was "My grace is sufficient"



The true church thrived in the middle ages as families huddled around a well read dog eared illegal copy of often one book which was secretly shared amongst fellow believers.

The Spirit brings the Word ALIVE and leads us to God's interpretation. That is "hearing", isn't it? "Hearing" means to understand the Word through God's Spirit testifying with Our Spirit.

Bibles are passed around families in China today. When Jesus healed the deaf it wasn't so that they could physically hear the spoken Word, it meant the same thing as Him curing a blind person so that they could see.

So they could understand His Word. In His day, our NT was the spoken word. Today it is the written word.


Being led by the "Spirit" is the sole mantra of many churches. But with no foundation or even encouragement of scripture study, I'd venture to ask "whose Spirit" may they be following?

The spirit is causing many to drop and writhe in the aisle floors and join Christian militias. Is this the Spirit of God or something else?

We are only suffering thousands of denominations because people do not do as Jesus asked.
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You raise many fine points….. I think the disconnect for me is that you have retained the traditional Christian teachings, even though you despise many of them -- recognizing “churchianity” being different from those who truly desire a relationship with YHWH.

There were a couple things you said that I disagree with. Not to nitpick or be quarrelsome, I think it is important to understand that not ALL the apostles were illiterate…….. Paul was VERY well schooled in the Torah…..he knew it like the back of his hand. Luke was a doctor, hardly illiterate.
You say YSHWH speaks of hearing, not reading. You’ll remember how when he was tempted by ha satan that each time he responded with “It is written….. “ You’ll also remember that as a child, He taught in the Temple from the scriptures…….So clearly, the written word WAS important to Him.
I think the problem is that traditional Christianity teaches salvation by grace……. ONLY. (I am speaking of reformed Protestantism). That concept allows for a myriad of misunderstandings and misapplications of the scriptures given to us…..the Torah. The NT is basically an explanation of Torah, how it pointed to Messiah, and what Messiah did to fulfill the prophecies. It isn’t until one understands the Torah, that one can even BEGIN to understand what Messiah did for us.
Old Hag mentioned Job as an example of one who heard His voice without the written Word, and certainly, our YAH being a merciful Elohim provides an avenue and a means to ALL who He calls. Our patriarchs did not have the written Word as we know it, and yet all were counted as righteous. Most likely the Truths were passed down orally from generation to generation from Adam and Eve on. The problem with an oral message is, it gets to be like the game “telephone.” Additionally, it is clear, mankind was not retaining the truths via the spiritual venue.
YHWH provides salvation for us on an individual basis, yes……but what He desires is a PEOPLE, a NATION to call His own. If we are all off in our own direction holding on to this picture of Messiah as a flower holding, peace-sign wielding hippy type YHWH’s Kingdom as He desires, will NEVER be established on this earth……This hippy type of Jesus is “subjective”……He is to each individual what that individual is looking for. I am NOT saying that he does not meet us where we are…..He absolutely DOES. But then, after that….. IF we are going to talk the talk, we must also walk the walk. And THAT is where Torah comes in. Be a LIGHT onto the nations…..SHOW them how YHWH cares for us….protects us and is ever merciful. PROVE the Torah by your life and your intimate knowledge of the Most High.


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Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

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Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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So to be short and simple being half white does not make you white. The Serpent seed line are mixed breeds therefore they are not white. jewish people are a very hybrid type people. Having white ancestry does not mean you are under the control of white's. What are you a 12 year old to think this? I guess you are out to prove that having white ancestry means you are being controlled by whites???? Hmmmm never heard a strange theory like this.
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Khazars and sephardic jewish people are not the ones in control. Its white people who mixed with the serpent dna. Plain and simple. They are the ones who are controlling the fake jewish people.
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Well if this is what you want to believe, You can believe this. I'm sure we would have more non jewish celebs if this were true. By the way all races mixed with the Serpent Seed it wasn't just white's. This explains why there are Black jewish people, Chinese jewish people and Indian jewish people.
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Not reading the whole thread, then making a statement.

Yes , Eth Ha Adam seed line did NOT get corrupted like the Naphal were trying to do in Gen. 6:2. and also Gen. 14:5.

So you are right in that issue.
And Yes, God made us with DNA and man now has caught up to that truth and we can see in the story in the manuscripts that the word "Curve" was being used which the word "rib" was placed in the King James bible.
And your words that they carry all DNA stains that created all races, is bogus and I have spoken to many who are in the field of this. Adam and Eve did not carry all DNA strains for all races. Not one person on this planet can prove what you said, not one. We can hear "theories about it, but theories are not fact."
And sorry, your mistaken.

The object of the seedline of Satan is to keep themselves hidden. Did not Cain tell God that if anyone would find him they would kill him? And it is not just the murder part either a murder revenge.

So God tells Cain, if anyone finds you they will themselves have problems.
So why? Why does God have to say that to Cain.
And if your thoughts are so correct, where did Cain get his wife, and mean there were years passed after Cain go his wife that Seth was born. Right?

So help us out , or should I even suggest a thing , since I know how old wine bottles work.
Funny too, the Word says that in the end the wise will know the season. And they do. The rest want to put you to sleep.

My bible tells of the latter day sealing, and it is a special even which keep them from falling into the trap of Satan and his tares.
Question for ya..

Before I turned my life over to the Lord, was I , you and anyone else a tare before I came to the Lord. And if you say yes, I know your a "MOODY" doctrine believer and I know what your defense will be in any debate. Been there and done that many times.

So tell us all how you see the "tares".

blessings for what it worth.

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Regarding the DNA theory, i did not mean to imply that they carried all DNA strains for all of humanity. I meant that they carried the DNA that holds the potential for all DNA in humanity. In other words, they are the first genetic set, but harbored everything needed for their descendants, which were passed down again and again. Adam lived to be over 900 years old. Thats a fantastic gene set if you ask me. The thing that divides the races is geography and gene combinations that ORIGINATED with Adam.

Regarding Cain and Satan ga-ga. Adam was 130 years old when Cain left the clan. Scripture tells us that Adam and Eve had many other children during that span of time. If you do the math, by the time Cain left, there could have been more than 5000 people in the area and surrounding. They are all from the same family, and would have serious bad feelings about Cain. Cain was worried about his OWN PEOPLE hurting him.

Regarding what you say here: " Before I turned my life over to the Lord, was I , you and anyone else a tare before I came to the Lord. And if you say yes, I know your a "MOODY" doctrine believer and I know what your defense will be in any debate. Been there and done that many times."

I have no idea what you are saying here. I have no idea who you were before you turned your life over to the Lord, and it has absolutely no bearing on anybody else's walk with God. Sounds strangely ego-centric, and quite frankly, a bit "out there." We do not judge who are the weeds, and who are not. Everyone is set apart special for God. He is the vine and we are the branches.

But, I digress, and ask you to clarify that statement in the hopes that I have misunderstood and so I can better grasp what you are asking me.

Listen bro, I am here to learn and expand my knowledge. I am here to take risks and think outside of the box. Nothing more, and nothing less.... well, maybe less sometimes.

This forum's purpose, for me anyway, is an arena for bouncing theories and ideas off of others in order to gain insights to many things.

I am a seminary student, first year. I have studied informally for 17 years with many teachers. I am way into this..... no really...
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go to jonathankleck.com. You are kind of close but not quite there everybody.
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How do you think Cain got his wife? And who do you think Cain was worried about killing him??? The pre adamic races of course!
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go to jonathankleck.com. You are kind of close but not quite there everybody.
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How do you think Cain got his wife? And who do you think Cain was worried about killing him??? The pre adamic races of course!
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He married his sister, Awan. There is no great mystery here.
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Also, Cain and Abel were not twins. Read the Book of Jubilees, it even specifies when they were each born.
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How do you think Cain got his wife? And who do you think Cain was worried about killing him??? The pre adamic races of course!
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wrong.
Adam is called the “first man” (1 Corinthians 15:45). This is inconsistent with the idea that God created men before Adam. Second, according to La Peyrère, the Gentiles were to live outside of the Garden of Eden while Adam enjoyed paradise (a privilege which came with the responsibility of obeying the Law of Paradise—not eating the forbidden fruit). Genesis 2:5-8, however, says quite plainly that before God created “the man whom He had formed,” the very same man which He placed in the garden, there were no men upon the earth to cultivate the ground. Third, God created Eve for Adam because he was alone, there was no one else like him around (“It is not good for the man to be alone… but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him” Genesis 2:18, 20). Fourth, Adam named his wife “Eve” “because she was the mother of all the living” (Genesis 3:20). The list goes on, but these passages should suffice to refute La Peyrère’s misinterpretation.

As for Cain’s fear of being lynched, his marriage to an unknown woman and the fact that he founded a city (Genesis 4:14-17), Adam was almost 130 years old by the time that Cain killed Abel (Adam had Seth, his next son after Abel’s death, when he was about 130 years old; Genesis 4:25; 5:3). And we know that Adam had sons and daughters (Genesis 5:3). At 130 he could have had grandkids and great-grandkids by the time that Cain killed Abel. Cain had plenty of family members to be afraid of after killing his brother.

Cain apparently married a family member (a necessity back then) at some point before Abel’s murder.

[[I don't think Cain married before Abel's murder, I personally think it was after to someone other than his sister (maybe a cousin). Cain had a twin sister, and Abel also had a twin sister. Cain was two or three years older than Abel. There is a pseudopigrapha that states that Seth married Abel's twin, but Cain was in love with her. He was sent away before Seth married her.]] Salt


It seems odd to us today, but incest wasn’t outlawed by God until the Law of Moses. It may have been around that time that generations of degenerative genetic mutations began to take a toll on our DNA. God outlawed incest for our protection. It became (and remains) dangerous for close relatives to procreate because of shared genetic defects which become expressed in their children causing severe deformities and other problems.

As for Cain founding a city, if he lived to be the average age back then, he probably lived to be about 900 years old. By the time he died, his family would have been a small city. If Cain had a child at the age of 30, and his child had a child at the age of 30 and so on, Cain could have produced 30 generations by the time he died (30 generations times 30 years each equals 900 years).

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Eve had to be created for Adam because No Pre Adamic Asian or Black woman would do. He needed a white woman, so Eve was created from his rib for him.
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The DNA of the human race was altered with the watchers took human wives and produced offspring called Nephilim, the evil giants.

But, none of that had anything to do with Cain. I can't believe some of you guys fell for these total BS lies.

They were not twins, satan didn't have sex with eve, and there were no prior earth ages.

None of this is biblical at all, it's lies and deceptions.

At any rate, stay focused on Jesus because He is really the only one that matters and salvation is not based on this stuff but rather your heart condition.
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Eve had to be created for Adam because No Pre Adamic Asian or Black woman would do. He needed a white woman, so Eve was created from his rib for him.
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there were NO other humans on earth. God said it was not good for ADAM TO BE ALONE. there were only animals and Adam on the earth when God made Eve.
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jewish people being used and Manipulated???? You've got to be kidding me, they control and run everything. Since when is the person who is in control being manipulated? It works the other way around the one who runs things usually manipulates and controls. And the one under the control of others is usually manipulated.
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If what your saying is true then that means the fake jewish people of today are related to whites, half white, because they came from eve who is a white woman. True or false?
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<snip for brevity & bs>
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If Cain was half white and half serpent and his descendants are the fake jewish people, then that means these fake jewish people are related to you because you have the same mom. lol

The whites/serpent seed are manipulating the fake jewish people/khazars/ashkenazis. Just because you see the fake jewish people running the banks and the media doesnt mean its them running it. They are just the minions.

Who were the ones that infiltrated the scribes? Who were the ones who taught the khazars about the talmud? White/Serpent seed rabbis.
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Eve had to be created for Adam because No Pre Adamic Asian or Black woman would do. He needed a white woman, so Eve was created from his rib for him.
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there were NO other humans on earth. God said it was not good for ADAM TO BE ALONE. there were only animals and Adam on the earth when God made Eve.
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Unfortunately, many here want to believe fancy stories and mysterious lies instead of believing what the Bible says.

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So to be short and simple being half white does not make you white. The Serpent seed line are mixed breeds therefore they are not white. jewish people are a very hybrid type people. Having white ancestry does not mean you are under the control of white's. What are you a 12 year old to think this? I guess you are out to prove that having white ancestry means you are being controlled by whites???? Hmmmm never heard a strange theory like this.
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Khazars and sephardic jewish people are not the ones in control. Its white people who mixed with the serpent dna. Plain and simple. They are the ones who are controlling the fake jewish people.
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Well if this is what you want to believe, You can believe this. I'm sure we would have more non jewish celebs if this were true. By the way all races mixed with the Serpent Seed it wasn't just white's. This explains why there are Black jewish people, Chinese jewish people and Indian jewish people.
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The reason why we see so many jewish celebs is because they are being used as a front to make people think the fake jewish people are in control. Black ops behind black ops behind black ops. There are still groups out there within the races, blacks, chinese, and indian as well as whites who do not have the serpent dna in them. Yes races did mix with that serpent dna but there are still some groups within those races who do not have the dna.

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