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Serpent Seed Theory *Christians Only*

 
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Someone just PM'd me regarding this thread....I'm restricted from sending replies...

Suffice to say, "I dig."secretshf

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Someone just PM'd me regarding this thread....I'm restricted from sending replies...

Suffice to say, "I dig."secretshf
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^That's too bad.^

More images from vigeland park - oslo, norway:

Notice the "trees" near the fountain... how they represent people. Hmmm...


Interesting little french video discussing the oslo monolith connection:


Uploader's comment:

"Oslo Vigeland Park and its obelisk called the "Monolith", a strange mass of body
naked human crammed like a mass grave. What a horror. I definitely does
not those who see Art.

Especially since this park was strangely opened December 21, 1944 to 120 000
people. Recall that at the beginning of that year, the siege of Leningrad (St
Petersburg) expired prior to review of a million dead.

The line of interest here is in Mecca and Khaba, where the faithful
rotate. Passes through Jerusalem and continues to Oslo."
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How does all of this relate to the Ancients and there serpent symbol? you find serpent symbols and snakes all over the mayan city same thing with egypt. how does that fit in?
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nope......he was completely right.
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You and I will have to agree to disagree on the matter, then.
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I saw where LittleStar retracted his words, and I understand why. I also understand what prompted his inital response.... and his initial response was quite correct. It's a fine line......and only until one delves deep into the Hebraic meaning of the Word can you begin to understand how and where to draw the line......

Shalom.
 Quoting: Shamar


Thank you so very much. It is hard for me sometimes to express what I need to do. I do this better in person.
I truly have a reading and writing disability. The reason I put this out is not for someone to feel sorry for me.
I put this out in hopes that people see this will understand that God can take anyone He wants to, and open the Word them them even if they have handicap difficulties.
Our Lord is forever faithful to us. He does not leave out anyone.

I wrote an email to someone and I hope that person translates what I said and brings it here to glp.

The subject was, the man that beat Christ and the man that put the spear into the body of Christ.

Lets see if that person will come forward with that info.

blessings
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Hi Little Star! I didn't know you were on this thread, good to see you. Yes, you had written me telling me that the man who beat Yeshua and the soldier who pierced his side with the sword is in paradise, on the right side. They made it (You were witness as you saw them). God forgives and knows our hearts. Even people that were so cruel to him, as Yeshua was on the cross said, "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do."

There is one unforgiveable sin, that is if a person who is brought up before Satan to testify and refuses the Holy
Spirit. That is the one thing that is unforgiveable and condemns one. However, they know what they are doing, so they aren't innocent.

Have a great day Little Star. =)
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examples of this alien/angel techologoy:

astrology
divination
theater
cosmetics
dying fabrics in bright colors - (high fashion)
art of war
metalurgy and weapons making
pharmacology
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jewlery making and all precious stones as wellhf
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The DNA of the human race was altered with the watchers took human wives and produced offspring called Nephilim, the evil giants.

But, none of that had anything to do with Cain. I can't believe some of you guys fell for these total BS lies.

They were not twins, satan didn't have sex with eve, and there were no prior earth ages.

None of this is biblical at all, it's lies and deceptions.

At any rate, stay focused on Jesus because He is really the only one that matters and salvation is not based on this stuff but rather your heart condition.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


did you read the link provided to "theopenscroll" ? it's very compelling.......not easily dismissed.
 Quoting: Shamar


Don't need to, I"ve researched this stuff a year ago, and found it lacking.

I'd rather put my time into studying something of value. I"m reading the book of Daniel now. That's worth the time.
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That's cool! If you believe you have it all figured out, that's great! Personally, I don't believe there is a person on the planet that has it all figured out accurately, but that's just me.

I only mentioned the article because it presents VERY compelling evidence in support of the theory. It would be much more beneficial to all though, if someone disagreed with it to actually pull from it, and point out exactly WHY they disagreed with it.

The point is, is that there are TWO seeds. One of YHWH, and one of ha satan. How those seeds BECOME and how they manifest is the question. Is it purely spiritual? Is it through DNA? Is it both. I tend to think it is both.

Anyway, as I said before, I am not dogmatic on the matter of the "serpent seed theory". Actually the other day I read another perspective that was just as as interesting. And that is of the two nations that came from Rebekah's womb. The Edomites and the Israelites....two nations that have been at war since the beginning - in the womb, and remain so to this day.
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I think the two seeds differ through DNA. Hybrids are part human/angelic. But if you look at it like that, and God gives everyone a chance to recieve the Kingdom, then spiriutally they have the chance just like anybody else. The only one who is condemned right now is Satan. He's been already judged. As to the other fallen angels, just a guess, I believe they have condemned themselves by disobeying and following Satan.
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I just read a book by Patrick Heron called Nepheilim and the Pyramid of the Apocalypse. It pretty much blew mind away. It renewed my faith in God and my eyes were wide AWAKE. Many of the earth changes I beleive have to do with these things that are happening that he mentioned in this book. The Old Testament did not make as much sense to me UNTIL I read this book.
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did you read the link provided to "theopenscroll" ? it's very compelling.......not easily dismissed.
 Quoting: Shamar


Don't need to, I"ve researched this stuff a year ago, and found it lacking.

I'd rather put my time into studying something of value. I"m reading the book of Daniel now. That's worth the time.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


That's cool! If you believe you have it all figured out, that's great! Personally, I don't believe there is a person on the planet that has it all figured out accurately, but that's just me.

I only mentioned the article because it presents VERY compelling evidence in support of the theory. It would be much more beneficial to all though, if someone disagreed with it to actually pull from it, and point out exactly WHY they disagreed with it.

The point is, is that there are TWO seeds. One of YHWH, and one of ha satan. How those seeds BECOME and how they manifest is the question. Is it purely spiritual? Is it through DNA? Is it both. I tend to think it is both.

Anyway, as I said before, I am not dogmatic on the matter of the "serpent seed theory". Actually the other day I read another perspective that was just as as interesting. And that is of the two nations that came from Rebekah's womb. The Edomites and the Israelites....two nations that have been at war since the beginning - in the womb, and remain so to this day.
 Quoting: Shamar


I think the two seeds differ through DNA. Hybrids are part human/angelic. But if you look at it like that, and God gives everyone a chance to recieve the Kingdom, then spiriutally they have the chance just like anybody else. The only one who is condemned right now is Satan. He's been already judged. As to the other fallen angels, just a guess, I believe they have condemned themselves by disobeying and following Satan.
 Quoting: Kristine


Apparently, we get to judge them.....the angels that is.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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we know that there is a serpent seed race. Nephilim are the result of that seed.

but, there is a big difference btwn the Nephilim and Eve having sex with Satan.
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 Quoting: Dried Up Hag


Dear Shamar - I have a link to share with you....

[link to hallvworthington.com]
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Thank you .... I will take a look. What did you think of the link I shared with you?
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Still working through it.....
 Quoting: Shamar


I will get back on yours later this evening....Shalom!!


I have seen that site before, and I actually have really enjoyed it. I hadn’t seen this page before though…..

It isn’t that I think what is said is WRONG, but I don’t think it is completely right. Maybe a better way would be to say I don’t think it is complete.

Like traditional Christianity, it has a *Christian* spin to it. Let me show some things I disagree with.

For instance, they say "Think about it; you can read a passage today and read the same passage three months later and get a different meaning - that is not growth; rather that is your mind coming to a different conclusion without the Holy Spirit in either case showing you what it meant. The meaning changes as you change. That is not good. There is only one meaning, and it is written, no scripture is of private interpretation."

See below regarding receiving different understandings of one verse. Aside from that Read Timonthy again. That is the same error the Catholics make. If you read the verse, however, it says that no prophecy comes by private interpretation. That is not the same things as saying that we cannot understand the scriptures on our own, through Ruach haKodesh.

I think it is a huge mistake to differentiate between the word scripture and word. I would have to delve into the Hebraic meaning of each, which I can do if we get to that point.

Another example is this: This is the way Paul was taught, who said he was not taught by man, but through the direct revelation of Jesus Christ. David said he was taught by God himself, and the Lord's words to him were sweeter than honey; because David had been taught by the Lord himself, he had outstripped all his teachers.
Paul is not referring to the Torah here…..he is talking about the revelation of the Messiah. He knew Torah inside and out, and he quotes it throughout his letters…..showing how Torah is pointing to Messiah. He never, ever says that Torah is no longer necessary or needed. He proves this to those who accused him of saying so, by taking the Nazarite vow.

I am not going to say that the Ruach haKodesh doesn’t reveal YHWH and other things to us because certainly that is truth, he does! What I am saying is that YHWH HIMSELF is REVEALED THROUGH His Word…..it’s how we puny humans can learn WHO He is, WHAT He desires……We recognize Him through our spirit but we learn WHO He is through His word.

The article says: David learned by the Holy Spirit teaching him. That’s not quite accurate……or , it’s not quite complete. Have you read Psalm 119 lately?

Article says: Remember Paul? The New Testament didn't even exist; but Christ, from heaven, taught him everything, by his voice from his mouth and a message from his lips. Again, this is not quite accurate. If you read Paul’s letter you will see where he continually quotes from the Torah.

This quote: The Bible is not the Word of God. Is an outright lie.

One more for now (I can keep going if you like ! ) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: What scripture was being referred to here? There was no “NT” when this was written. He was referring to the Torah……

Anyway, what I am hoping for is that you can see how He revealed Himself throughout the written word in that link I shared with you.

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One more point I wanted to speak of. Torah speaks at different levels. The first level is the P’shat, which is the “plain sense of the text.” The second level is the Drash, which is the “principled level that leads to the homiletic, sermonizing, and what Hebrews refer to as the midrash.” When you consciously study the Scripture you are at the Drash level. The third level is the Remez, which is the “esoteric, hidden, or hint” level. This deals with hidden patterns, messages, and themes. The most dominant of these themes and messages is about the Messiah. The fourth level is the Sod (pronounced sode), which is the mysterious level. The “jots and tittles” Yeshua referred to are part of that level. [link to lionlamb.net]

It also applies to both physical and spiritual dimensions. Further, it often has dualistic prophetic messages..... For instance, when you read the book of Joshua (whose Hebraic name is the same as YSHWH's) and as you read of Joshua's leading, words, etc. you can SEE the same storyline as YSHWH's, only on a different level......

Well, shabbat shalom!

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Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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I just read a book by Patrick Heron called Nepheilim and the Pyramid of the Apocalypse. It pretty much blew mind away. It renewed my faith in God and my eyes were wide AWAKE. Many of the earth changes I beleive have to do with these things that are happening that he mentioned in this book. The Old Testament did not make as much sense to me UNTIL I read this book.
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I tried looking for that book on amazon but cant find it. can you link it plz? thank you.
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Satan is your brain.
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DUH...You need to change your name...I don't think you could possibly be a DUH?

OK after considering your request, I have decided to write YOU...HERE...

Many I'm sure will disagree, but that is OK.

I will start at the beginning of my transformation, that began 4 yrs ago after I was involved in a horrible physical event, which landed me in the hospital for 40 days.

Most of the right side of my face is gone, and my right pectoral was used, along with lower abdomen muscle to fill the hole in the right side of my face.

The doctors didn't think I would make it, as the hole was so big, and the cartroid (forgive the spelling)artery was weeping upon my arrival.

Why did this happen? Well I have always relied upon my body, I was a lifter since I was 12 yrs old, and naturally very strong, in fact until 4 yrs ago I could dead lift 430lbs for 10-12 reps. At my age that is a good amount of weight...And there are other reasons...

Anyway...I came home after 3 major surgeries, and one day while setting alone, recovering from my injury, I was sitting in the kitchen my eyes were drawn to the rain falling from the roof outside.

Somewhere on the inside, a dialog started. It went like this:

Do you notice each drop is different from the other? No. Well they are. Do you know you are different? Yes. I don't mean it that way! Yes you are different now physically, but that is not what I mean.

Do you remember yrs ago (1974) going to Shilo Christian Center. Yes. Do you remember what I spoke to you. Yes. I told you, that you were not like them, and you questioned me, by saying "God those are my brothers, of course we are the same" and I said "No! you are not the same".

You are worse, that is why I chose you. You are like the bowl of fruit, all the other pieces look good, you are rotten, and I chose to use you for my reasons. To hold you in my hand, and never take my eyes off of you. This why I have a tool, that will not steal my glory.

I plan everything. Nothing is left to chance. There is no free will. The garden and the fall were planed. Evil was created and planned. Remember the story of Samson, he wanted tat woman. He asked his father, and his parents objected. But right below that, in the next verse it says "But they didn't know that God had put that desire for that women in the heart of Samson, that God might find an opportunity against the Philistines, since their judgment was so harsh against the Israelites.

Never put anything above my grace and love for you. Not sin, temptation, failure, the bible, people, nothing. Yet don't fear failure, don't look to sin, yet at the same time count it as nothing. For sin is not the issue. I am the issue.

To be free from the power and penalty of sin, is a complete work of Christ. Do not fear it. Do not give it thought of reverence. The law of the Spirit is the better way, other than that, seek to offend no ones conscience...

I do not seek to sin...But if I do sin, I do...If I don't then I don't...What happens to the boogieman when you no longer jump when he comes around the corner and says boo! He looses his power. Thus temptation, and sin are something I am free from...

Do we somehow believe that Paul was knocked off his horse, blinded, his sight restored, and he was somehow fully matured? Did he not grow, as we do, in our walk with Christ?

Did Paul, not grow as Luther? (Wesley and Finney) I have doubts about...Still, should we think Paul at the end of his life, still believed what he held true at the beginning of his walk? (This does not include the places where Paul says, "this is from the Lord" or This was revealed to me by The Spirit".

Did Paul know his writings would end up in a book, someday, and that people would worship that book, allowing that book to take the place of the intimate leading of God's Spirit, which is REAL Christianity?

Do you remember the story in the NT where Priscilla, and Aquila Meet Apollos?

Now a jewish named Apollos, a native of Alexandria, arrived in Ephesus. He was an eloquent speaker, mighty in the scriptures.

although he knew only the baptism of John.

but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained the way of God to him more accurately.

OK this is a small start...Possibly write more later.












The reason for my statement to the other poster was to give reason why we should not enter into discussion if we are at odds on the subject.....for the purposes of avoiding contention. I find that when two ideas are so opposed between people, it is better to not discuss at all, then to try and hold a spitting contest.
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DUH...You need to change your name...I don't think you could possibly be a DUH?

OK after considering your request, I have decided to write YOU...HERE...

Many I'm sure will disagree, but that is OK.

I will start at the beginning of my transformation, that began 4 yrs ago after I was involved in a horrible physical event, which landed me in the hospital for 40 days.

Most of the right side of my face is gone, and my right pectoral was used, along with lower abdomen muscle to fill the hole in the right side of my face.

The doctors didn't think I would make it, as the hole was so big, and the cartroid (forgive the spelling)artery was weeping upon my arrival.

Why did this happen? Well I have always relied upon my body, I was a lifter since I was 12 yrs old, and naturally very strong, in fact until 4 yrs ago I could dead lift 430lbs for 10-12 reps. At my age that is a good amount of weight...And there are other reasons...

Anyway...I came home after 3 major surgeries, and one day while setting alone, recovering from my injury, I was sitting in the kitchen my eyes were drawn to the rain falling from the roof outside.

Somewhere on the inside, a dialog started. It went like this:

Do you notice each drop is different from the other? No. Well they are. Do you know you are different? Yes. I don't mean it that way! Yes you are different now physically, but that is not what I mean.

Do you remember yrs ago (1974) going to Shilo Christian Center. Yes. Do you remember what I spoke to you. Yes. I told you, that you were not like them, and you questioned me, by saying "God those are my brothers, of course we are the same" and I said "No! you are not the same".

You are worse, that is why I chose you. You are like the bowl of fruit, all the other pieces look good, you are rotten, and I chose to use you for my reasons. To hold you in my hand, and never take my eyes off of you. This why I have a tool, that will not steal my glory.

I plan everything. Nothing is left to chance. There is no free will. The garden and the fall were planed. Evil was created and planned. Remember the story of Samson, he wanted tat woman. He asked his father, and his parents objected. But right below that, in the next verse it says "But they didn't know that God had put that desire for that women in the heart of Samson, that God might find an opportunity against the Philistines, since their judgment was so harsh against the Israelites.

Never put anything above my grace and love for you. Not sin, temptation, failure, the bible, people, nothing. Yet don't fear failure, don't look to sin, yet at the same time count it as nothing. For sin is not the issue. I am the issue.

To be free from the power and penalty of sin, is a complete work of Christ. Do not fear it. Do not give it thought of reverence. The law of the Spirit is the better way, other than that, seek to offend no ones conscience...

I do not seek to sin...But if I do sin, I do...If I don't then I don't...What happens to the boogieman when you no longer jump when he comes around the corner and says boo! He looses his power. Thus temptation, and sin are something I am free from...

Do we somehow believe that Paul was knocked off his horse, blinded, his sight restored, and he was somehow fully matured? Did he not grow, as we do, in our walk with Christ?

Did Paul, not grow as Luther? (Wesley and Finney) I have doubts about...Still, should we think Paul at the end of his life, still believed what he held true at the beginning of his walk? (This does not include the places where Paul says, "this is from the Lord" or This was revealed to me by The Spirit".

Did Paul know his writings would end up in a book, someday, and that people would worship that book, allowing that book to take the place of the intimate leading of God's Spirit, which is REAL Christianity?

Do you remember the story in the NT where Priscilla, and Aquila Meet Apollos?

Now a jewish named Apollos, a native of Alexandria, arrived in Ephesus. He was an eloquent speaker, mighty in the scriptures.

although he knew only the baptism of John.

but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained the way of God to him more accurately.

OK this is a small start...Possibly write more later.












The reason for my statement to the other poster was to give reason why we should not enter into discussion if we are at odds on the subject.....for the purposes of avoiding contention. I find that when two ideas are so opposed between people, it is better to not discuss at all, then to try and hold a spitting contest.
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Wow, you have been through a lot and it's interesting how you were spoken to. God bless you
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Don't need to, I"ve researched this stuff a year ago, and found it lacking.

I'd rather put my time into studying something of value. I"m reading the book of Daniel now. That's worth the time.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


That's cool! If you believe you have it all figured out, that's great! Personally, I don't believe there is a person on the planet that has it all figured out accurately, but that's just me.

I only mentioned the article because it presents VERY compelling evidence in support of the theory. It would be much more beneficial to all though, if someone disagreed with it to actually pull from it, and point out exactly WHY they disagreed with it.

The point is, is that there are TWO seeds. One of YHWH, and one of ha satan. How those seeds BECOME and how they manifest is the question. Is it purely spiritual? Is it through DNA? Is it both. I tend to think it is both.

Anyway, as I said before, I am not dogmatic on the matter of the "serpent seed theory". Actually the other day I read another perspective that was just as as interesting. And that is of the two nations that came from Rebekah's womb. The Edomites and the Israelites....two nations that have been at war since the beginning - in the womb, and remain so to this day.
 Quoting: Shamar


I think the two seeds differ through DNA. Hybrids are part human/angelic. But if you look at it like that, and God gives everyone a chance to recieve the Kingdom, then spiriutally they have the chance just like anybody else. The only one who is condemned right now is Satan. He's been already judged. As to the other fallen angels, just a guess, I believe they have condemned themselves by disobeying and following Satan.
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Apparently, we get to judge them.....the angels that is.
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Yes the bible speaks about us judging the angels I believe at the Great White Throne Judgement.
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DUH...You need to change your name...I don't think you could possibly be a DUH?

OK after considering your request, I have decided to write YOU...HERE...

Many I'm sure will disagree, but that is OK.

I will start at the beginning of my transformation, that began 4 yrs ago after I was involved in a horrible physical event, which landed me in the hospital for 40 days.

Most of the right side of my face is gone, and my right pectoral was used, along with lower abdomen muscle to fill the hole in the right side of my face.

The doctors didn't think I would make it, as the hole was so big, and the cartroid (forgive the spelling)artery was weeping upon my arrival.

Why did this happen? Well I have always relied upon my body, I was a lifter since I was 12 yrs old, and naturally very strong, in fact until 4 yrs ago I could dead lift 430lbs for 10-12 reps. At my age that is a good amount of weight...And there are other reasons...

Anyway...I came home after 3 major surgeries, and one day while setting alone, recovering from my injury, I was sitting in the kitchen my eyes were drawn to the rain falling from the roof outside.

Somewhere on the inside, a dialog started. It went like this:

Do you notice each drop is different from the other? No. Well they are. Do you know you are different? Yes. I don't mean it that way! Yes you are different now physically, but that is not what I mean.

Do you remember yrs ago (1974) going to Shilo Christian Center. Yes. Do you remember what I spoke to you. Yes. I told you, that you were not like them, and you questioned me, by saying "God those are my brothers, of course we are the same" and I said "No! you are not the same".

You are worse, that is why I chose you. You are like the bowl of fruit, all the other pieces look good, you are rotten, and I chose to use you for my reasons. To hold you in my hand, and never take my eyes off of you. This why I have a tool, that will not steal my glory.

I plan everything. Nothing is left to chance. There is no free will. The garden and the fall were planed. Evil was created and planned. Remember the story of Samson, he wanted tat woman. He asked his father, and his parents objected. But right below that, in the next verse it says "But they didn't know that God had put that desire for that women in the heart of Samson, that God might find an opportunity against the Philistines, since their judgment was so harsh against the Israelites.

Never put anything above my grace and love for you. Not sin, temptation, failure, the bible, people, nothing. Yet don't fear failure, don't look to sin, yet at the same time count it as nothing. For sin is not the issue. I am the issue.

To be free from the power and penalty of sin, is a complete work of Christ. Do not fear it. Do not give it thought of reverence. The law of the Spirit is the better way, other than that, seek to offend no ones conscience...

I do not seek to sin...But if I do sin, I do...If I don't then I don't...What happens to the boogieman when you no longer jump when he comes around the corner and says boo! He looses his power. Thus temptation, and sin are something I am free from...

Do we somehow believe that Paul was knocked off his horse, blinded, his sight restored, and he was somehow fully matured? Did he not grow, as we do, in our walk with Christ?

Did Paul, not grow as Luther? (Wesley and Finney) I have doubts about...Still, should we think Paul at the end of his life, still believed what he held true at the beginning of his walk? (This does not include the places where Paul says, "this is from the Lord" or This was revealed to me by The Spirit".

Did Paul know his writings would end up in a book, someday, and that people would worship that book, allowing that book to take the place of the intimate leading of God's Spirit, which is REAL Christianity?

Do you remember the story in the NT where Priscilla, and Aquila Meet Apollos?

Now a jewish named Apollos, a native of Alexandria, arrived in Ephesus. He was an eloquent speaker, mighty in the scriptures.

although he knew only the baptism of John.

but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained the way of God to him more accurately.

OK this is a small start...Possibly write more later.












The reason for my statement to the other poster was to give reason why we should not enter into discussion if we are at odds on the subject.....for the purposes of avoiding contention. I find that when two ideas are so opposed between people, it is better to not discuss at all, then to try and hold a spitting contest.
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that is an awesome testimony, thank you for sharing!!!

Please don't misunderstand my posts to be dissing your experience....... on the contrary, my own spiritual experience is most unorthodox and is so bizarre that I wont put it out four public consumption.

The point of my own posts is that once we are awakened, we should walk the way our Master did......and there is only one way that we can know how to do that.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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Dear Shamar - I have a link to share with you....

[link to hallvworthington.com]
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Thank you .... I will take a look. What did you think of the link I shared with you?
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Still working through it.....
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I will get back on yours later this evening....Shalom!!
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I have seen that site before, and I actually have really enjoyed it. I hadn’t seen this page before though…..

It isn’t that I think what is said is WRONG, but I don’t think it is completely right. Maybe a better way would be to say I don’t think it is complete.

Like traditional Christianity, it has a *Christian* spin to it. Let me show some things I disagree with.

For instance, they say "Think about it; you can read a passage today and read the same passage three months later and get a different meaning - that is not growth; rather that is your mind coming to a different conclusion without the Holy Spirit in either case showing you what it meant. The meaning changes as you change. That is not good. There is only one meaning, and it is written, no scripture is of private interpretation."

See below regarding receiving different understandings of one verse. Aside from that Read Timonthy again. That is the same error the Catholics make. If you read the verse, however, it says that no prophecy comes by private interpretation. That is not the same things as saying that we cannot understand the scriptures on our own, through Ruach haKodesh.

I think it is a huge mistake to differentiate between the word scripture and word. I would have to delve into the Hebraic meaning of each, which I can do if we get to that point.

Another example is this: This is the way Paul was taught, who said he was not taught by man, but through the direct revelation of Jesus Christ. David said he was taught by God himself, and the Lord's words to him were sweeter than honey; because David had been taught by the Lord himself, he had outstripped all his teachers.
Paul is not referring to the Torah here…..he is talking about the revelation of the Messiah. He knew Torah inside and out, and he quotes it throughout his letters…..showing how Torah is pointing to Messiah. He never, ever says that Torah is no longer necessary or needed. He proves this to those who accused him of saying so, by taking the Nazarite vow.

I am not going to say that the Ruach haKodesh doesn’t reveal YHWH and other things to us because certainly that is truth, he does! What I am saying is that YHWH HIMSELF is REVEALED THROUGH His Word…..it’s how we puny humans can learn WHO He is, WHAT He desires……We recognize Him through our spirit but we learn WHO He is through His word.

The article says: David learned by the Holy Spirit teaching him. That’s not quite accurate……or , it’s not quite complete. Have you read Psalm 119 lately?

Article says: Remember Paul? The New Testament didn't even exist; but Christ, from heaven, taught him everything, by his voice from his mouth and a message from his lips. Again, this is not quite accurate. If you read Paul’s letter you will see where he continually quotes from the Torah.

This quote: The Bible is not the Word of God. Is an outright lie.

One more for now (I can keep going if you like ! ) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: What scripture was being referred to here? There was no “NT” when this was written. He was referring to the Torah……

Anyway, what I am hoping for is that you can see how He revealed Himself throughout the written word in that link I shared with you.

*

One more point I wanted to speak of. Torah speaks at different levels. The first level is the P’shat, which is the “plain sense of the text.” The second level is the Drash, which is the “principled level that leads to the homiletic, sermonizing, and what Hebrews refer to as the midrash.” When you consciously study the Scripture you are at the Drash level. The third level is the Remez, which is the “esoteric, hidden, or hint” level. This deals with hidden patterns, messages, and themes. The most dominant of these themes and messages is about the Messiah. The fourth level is the Sod (pronounced sode), which is the mysterious level. The “jots and tittles” Yeshua referred to are part of that level. [link to lionlamb.net]

It also applies to both physical and spiritual dimensions. Further, it often has dualistic prophetic messages..... For instance, when you read the book of Joshua (whose Hebraic name is the same as YSHWH's) and as you read of Joshua's leading, words, etc. you can SEE the same storyline as YSHWH's, only on a different level......

Well, shabbat shalom!


Shamar -

1.) The verse is "no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." 2Peter 1:20 kjv Which essentially means any scripture which is inspired.

2.) As far as where Paul got his teaching? Galatians 1:12 says "For I neither received it of man, nor was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."

3.) The bible is the Word of God? How can Jesus be THE Word of God, (as the scriptures state), and the scriptures be THE word of God? You would have to say that the bible was A Word of God and Jesus was ANOTHER Word of God. Then there is this verse, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye THINK ye have eternal life: and they are that which testify of me. And ye will not come to ME, that ye might have life." John 5:39-40 (allcaps mine).

4.) The point of the verse about all scripture being profitable for doctrine, reproof, etc., was putting scripture in its place. The Law, (Torah) is the schoolmaster until one has become competent at hearing the Spirit. "Wherefore the Law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith." Galatians 3:24, (keeping in mind that "faith comes by HEARING and hearing by THE WORD [Jesus] of God." (allcaps and bracketed words mine).

An AC two responses beneath your msg. to me said "Our brain is Satan." This is a lot closer to the truth than I ever knew before I was enlightened by Christ and called to a new purpose.

I'd studied scriptures for decades....taught scripture as well, (much to my horror and chagrin). Thought that by delving further and further into the old languages, I would unlock all knowledge and wisdom of God.

Talk about harrassing the headbone!!!! Just remembering makes me cringe with the threat of a headache.

Now, I've been shown The Way to receive from God directly. He tells me, (by His words and revelations), what He wants me to know about scripture. It is no longer an intellectual pursuit that I have to somehow get the information to fit into my brain in a way that I can rightly comprehend it.. He just begins to speak and illustrate for me what the scriptures are saying and I can just be what I really am - a sheep who needs to be led. All I have to do is "Be silent, all flesh, before the Lord." And "Be still and know that I am God." (meaning Him - not me.

I have the faithful obedience of Hall and Joan Worthington to thank for leading me to Him - and teaching me how to sit at His feet for learning.

I understand how you may disagree with this. I didn't enter into this to change your mind. Only to show you where I was coming from. Because it is apparent that we are too opposed in our understanding to be able to speak without causing problems - and I don't want to be contentious.

I've often enjoyed reading your responses in other threads - and I hope that we can remain respectfully engaged when we see each other in future threads.
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DUH...You need to change your name...I don't think you could possibly be a DUH?

OK after considering your request, I have decided to write YOU...HERE...

Many I'm sure will disagree, but that is OK.

I will start at the beginning of my transformation, that began 4 yrs ago after I was involved in a horrible physical event, which landed me in the hospital for 40 days.

Most of the right side of my face is gone, and my right pectoral was used, along with lower abdomen muscle to fill the hole in the right side of my face.

The doctors didn't think I would make it, as the hole was so big, and the cartroid (forgive the spelling)artery was weeping upon my arrival.

Why did this happen? Well I have always relied upon my body, I was a lifter since I was 12 yrs old, and naturally very strong, in fact until 4 yrs ago I could dead lift 430lbs for 10-12 reps. At my age that is a good amount of weight...And there are other reasons...

Anyway...I came home after 3 major surgeries, and one day while setting alone, recovering from my injury, I was sitting in the kitchen my eyes were drawn to the rain falling from the roof outside.

Somewhere on the inside, a dialog started. It went like this:

Do you notice each drop is different from the other? No. Well they are. Do you know you are different? Yes. I don't mean it that way! Yes you are different now physically, but that is not what I mean.

Do you remember yrs ago (1974) going to Shilo Christian Center. Yes. Do you remember what I spoke to you. Yes. I told you, that you were not like them, and you questioned me, by saying "God those are my brothers, of course we are the same" and I said "No! you are not the same".

You are worse, that is why I chose you. You are like the bowl of fruit, all the other pieces look good, you are rotten, and I chose to use you for my reasons. To hold you in my hand, and never take my eyes off of you. This why I have a tool, that will not steal my glory.

I plan everything. Nothing is left to chance. There is no free will. The garden and the fall were planed. Evil was created and planned. Remember the story of Samson, he wanted tat woman. He asked his father, and his parents objected. But right below that, in the next verse it says "But they didn't know that God had put that desire for that women in the heart of Samson, that God might find an opportunity against the Philistines, since their judgment was so harsh against the Israelites.

Never put anything above my grace and love for you. Not sin, temptation, failure, the bible, people, nothing. Yet don't fear failure, don't look to sin, yet at the same time count it as nothing. For sin is not the issue. I am the issue.

To be free from the power and penalty of sin, is a complete work of Christ. Do not fear it. Do not give it thought of reverence. The law of the Spirit is the better way, other than that, seek to offend no ones conscience...

I do not seek to sin...But if I do sin, I do...If I don't then I don't...What happens to the boogieman when you no longer jump when he comes around the corner and says boo! He looses his power. Thus temptation, and sin are something I am free from...

Do we somehow believe that Paul was knocked off his horse, blinded, his sight restored, and he was somehow fully matured? Did he not grow, as we do, in our walk with Christ?

Did Paul, not grow as Luther? (Wesley and Finney) I have doubts about...Still, should we think Paul at the end of his life, still believed what he held true at the beginning of his walk? (This does not include the places where Paul says, "this is from the Lord" or This was revealed to me by The Spirit".

Did Paul know his writings would end up in a book, someday, and that people would worship that book, allowing that book to take the place of the intimate leading of God's Spirit, which is REAL Christianity?

Do you remember the story in the NT where Priscilla, and Aquila Meet Apollos?

Now a jewish named Apollos, a native of Alexandria, arrived in Ephesus. He was an eloquent speaker, mighty in the scriptures.

although he knew only the baptism of John.

but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained the way of God to him more accurately.

OK this is a small start...Possibly write more later.


I'd love to read more. I think you've come to some amazing insights. Do you practice listening for Him, or does it just happen spontaneously for you?

You know, on the website I referred you to, Hall Worhtington says that most people have to go through some kind of trauma before they can be ready to see or believe. I think that must be because trauma breaks us. It offends us in some deeply primitive way and forces us to question all we thought was real or right. At least that's how it played itself out in me. Maybe it affords a break in the hold that Satan has over our minds for just long enough.

I think in scripture it talks about a period of three years in which Paul was instructed before he began his ministry. But I think the conversion experience outlined in scripture was pretty universal. It begins with a kind of baptism, and then a falling away of the scales from the eyes.

Is this similar to your experience?









The reason for my statement to the other poster was to give reason why we should not enter into discussion if we are at odds on the subject.....for the purposes of avoiding contention. I find that when two ideas are so opposed between people, it is better to not discuss at all, then to try and hold a spitting contest.
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it has been acting wonky for the past few days....

gaah
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it has been acting wonky for the past few days....

gaah
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Thanks...I was sure I had done something stupid to muck it up.........pick
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Thank You for the kind words.


DUH...You need to change your name...I don't think you could possibly be a DUH?

OK after considering your request, I have decided to write YOU...HERE...

Many I'm sure will disagree, but that is OK.

I will start at the beginning of my transformation, that began 4 yrs ago after I was involved in a horrible physical event, which landed me in the hospital for 40 days.

Most of the right side of my face is gone, and my right pectoral was used, along with lower abdomen muscle to fill the hole in the right side of my face.

The doctors didn't think I would make it, as the hole was so big, and the cartroid (forgive the spelling)artery was weeping upon my arrival.

Why did this happen? Well I have always relied upon my body, I was a lifter since I was 12 yrs old, and naturally very strong, in fact until 4 yrs ago I could dead lift 430lbs for 10-12 reps. At my age that is a good amount of weight...And there are other reasons...

Anyway...I came home after 3 major surgeries, and one day while setting alone, recovering from my injury, I was sitting in the kitchen my eyes were drawn to the rain falling from the roof outside.

Somewhere on the inside, a dialog started. It went like this:

Do you notice each drop is different from the other? No. Well they are. Do you know you are different? Yes. I don't mean it that way! Yes you are different now physically, but that is not what I mean.

Do you remember yrs ago (1974) going to Shilo Christian Center. Yes. Do you remember what I spoke to you. Yes. I told you, that you were not like them, and you questioned me, by saying "God those are my brothers, of course we are the same" and I said "No! you are not the same".

You are worse, that is why I chose you. You are like the bowl of fruit, all the other pieces look good, you are rotten, and I chose to use you for my reasons. To hold you in my hand, and never take my eyes off of you. This why I have a tool, that will not steal my glory.

I plan everything. Nothing is left to chance. There is no free will. The garden and the fall were planed. Evil was created and planned. Remember the story of Samson, he wanted tat woman. He asked his father, and his parents objected. But right below that, in the next verse it says "But they didn't know that God had put that desire for that women in the heart of Samson, that God might find an opportunity against the Philistines, since their judgment was so harsh against the Israelites.

Never put anything above my grace and love for you. Not sin, temptation, failure, the bible, people, nothing. Yet don't fear failure, don't look to sin, yet at the same time count it as nothing. For sin is not the issue. I am the issue.

To be free from the power and penalty of sin, is a complete work of Christ. Do not fear it. Do not give it thought of reverence. The law of the Spirit is the better way, other than that, seek to offend no ones conscience...

I do not seek to sin...But if I do sin, I do...If I don't then I don't...What happens to the boogieman when you no longer jump when he comes around the corner and says boo! He looses his power. Thus temptation, and sin are something I am free from...

Do we somehow believe that Paul was knocked off his horse, blinded, his sight restored, and he was somehow fully matured? Did he not grow, as we do, in our walk with Christ?

Did Paul, not grow as Luther? (Wesley and Finney) I have doubts about...Still, should we think Paul at the end of his life, still believed what he held true at the beginning of his walk? (This does not include the places where Paul says, "this is from the Lord" or This was revealed to me by The Spirit".

Did Paul know his writings would end up in a book, someday, and that people would worship that book, allowing that book to take the place of the intimate leading of God's Spirit, which is REAL Christianity?

Do you remember the story in the NT where Priscilla, and Aquila Meet Apollos?

Now a jewish named Apollos, a native of Alexandria, arrived in Ephesus. He was an eloquent speaker, mighty in the scriptures.

although he knew only the baptism of John.

but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained the way of God to him more accurately.

OK this is a small start...Possibly write more later.












The reason for my statement to the other poster was to give reason why we should not enter into discussion if we are at odds on the subject.....for the purposes of avoiding contention. I find that when two ideas are so opposed between people, it is better to not discuss at all, then to try and hold a spitting contest.
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Wow, you have been through a lot and it's interesting how you were spoken to. God bless you
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I'm am not offended and hopefully I didn't offend you...I can be brash at times...


DUH...You need to change your name...I don't think you could possibly be a DUH?

OK after considering your request, I have decided to write YOU...HERE...

Many I'm sure will disagree, but that is OK.

I will start at the beginning of my transformation, that began 4 yrs ago after I was involved in a horrible physical event, which landed me in the hospital for 40 days.

Most of the right side of my face is gone, and my right pectoral was used, along with lower abdomen muscle to fill the hole in the right side of my face.

The doctors didn't think I would make it, as the hole was so big, and the cartroid (forgive the spelling)artery was weeping upon my arrival.

Why did this happen? Well I have always relied upon my body, I was a lifter since I was 12 yrs old, and naturally very strong, in fact until 4 yrs ago I could dead lift 430lbs for 10-12 reps. At my age that is a good amount of weight...And there are other reasons...

Anyway...I came home after 3 major surgeries, and one day while setting alone, recovering from my injury, I was sitting in the kitchen my eyes were drawn to the rain falling from the roof outside.

Somewhere on the inside, a dialog started. It went like this:

Do you notice each drop is different from the other? No. Well they are. Do you know you are different? Yes. I don't mean it that way! Yes you are different now physically, but that is not what I mean.

Do you remember yrs ago (1974) going to Shilo Christian Center. Yes. Do you remember what I spoke to you. Yes. I told you, that you were not like them, and you questioned me, by saying "God those are my brothers, of course we are the same" and I said "No! you are not the same".

You are worse, that is why I chose you. You are like the bowl of fruit, all the other pieces look good, you are rotten, and I chose to use you for my reasons. To hold you in my hand, and never take my eyes off of you. This why I have a tool, that will not steal my glory.

I plan everything. Nothing is left to chance. There is no free will. The garden and the fall were planed. Evil was created and planned. Remember the story of Samson, he wanted tat woman. He asked his father, and his parents objected. But right below that, in the next verse it says "But they didn't know that God had put that desire for that women in the heart of Samson, that God might find an opportunity against the Philistines, since their judgment was so harsh against the Israelites.

Never put anything above my grace and love for you. Not sin, temptation, failure, the bible, people, nothing. Yet don't fear failure, don't look to sin, yet at the same time count it as nothing. For sin is not the issue. I am the issue.

To be free from the power and penalty of sin, is a complete work of Christ. Do not fear it. Do not give it thought of reverence. The law of the Spirit is the better way, other than that, seek to offend no ones conscience...

I do not seek to sin...But if I do sin, I do...If I don't then I don't...What happens to the boogieman when you no longer jump when he comes around the corner and says boo! He looses his power. Thus temptation, and sin are something I am free from...

Do we somehow believe that Paul was knocked off his horse, blinded, his sight restored, and he was somehow fully matured? Did he not grow, as we do, in our walk with Christ?

Did Paul, not grow as Luther? (Wesley and Finney) I have doubts about...Still, should we think Paul at the end of his life, still believed what he held true at the beginning of his walk? (This does not include the places where Paul says, "this is from the Lord" or This was revealed to me by The Spirit".

Did Paul know his writings would end up in a book, someday, and that people would worship that book, allowing that book to take the place of the intimate leading of God's Spirit, which is REAL Christianity?

Do you remember the story in the NT where Priscilla, and Aquila Meet Apollos?

Now a jewish named Apollos, a native of Alexandria, arrived in Ephesus. He was an eloquent speaker, mighty in the scriptures.

although he knew only the baptism of John.

but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained the way of God to him more accurately.

OK this is a small start...Possibly write more later.












The reason for my statement to the other poster was to give reason why we should not enter into discussion if we are at odds on the subject.....for the purposes of avoiding contention. I find that when two ideas are so opposed between people, it is better to not discuss at all, then to try and hold a spitting contest.
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that is an awesome testimony, thank you for sharing!!!

Please don't misunderstand my posts to be dissing your experience....... on the contrary, my own spiritual experience is most unorthodox and is so bizarre that I wont put it out four public consumption.

The point of my own posts is that once we are awakened, we should walk the way our Master did......and there is only one way that we can know how to do that.
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DUH...I have stepped out, so I might as well jump into the deep end...

Remember I type slowly, and with two fingers...SO i find it a chore to type...

But I also want to share some more things with you. I will...But let me start with something personal.

My encounter with Jesus started in 74, actually I felt him drawing me real strong in 1969-1970...

I was very curios about him starting at an early age, probably around 4-5 yrs old. I had experiences that were often scarey and supernatural when I was 4 onward.

This isn't the 1st time I have almost died. There were probably 4 or 5 other times.

The other one that stands out is when I was in junior high I think I was in 7th grade maybe 6th...

I was watching the girls cheer lead practice. The teacher made all the boys leave telling them to close the door....Remember these doors in school? They were solid wood, and had that small 3x8 inch high window.

Anyway she made all the boys leave except me, as long as I promised to be quite, and if I would close the curtains and the one window on the end of the class room that was still open.

You remember how they open and close right? They had a brass handle at the top, it turned clock wise to lock, the window closed as you pushed it away from you, and opened as you pulled it toward yourself.

Anyway, I try to close it and it will not move, so I push hard, and my hand slips off the frame, and my left hand goes through the window, cutting 4 tendon, the main artery, causing me to have 400 stitches...

I'll never forget the doctor...I don't know why...His name was Jack C Irwin...He was a friend of my mother, she was a nurse.

Anyway, here is the odd part when the glass breaks I am frightened that I am in trouble, at this time I don't know my arm is injured, until I turn around and my heart beats my blood flies across the room. All the girls let out a blood curdling scream, and move aside as the blood comes near them.

I stand real still, press my arm against my stomach, not because I knew what to do, but because I was terrified of blood.

Now this next part is strange...

I went to this school in Terrace Heights from the 4th to the 7th or 8th grade. I fell in love with Patty Smith at that school...I knew everyone, it was a small school, one janitor, 6 or 7 bus drivers. ETC...

All of a sudden these two huge guys run into the room, they are both blonde, they look like twins, they have towels in their hands.

They both run at me, wrap these towels around my arm, put one arm under my underarm, then their other hand they grab my wrist real tight, lift me from the ground and run me to the nurse...I never saw them again...











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OK this is a small start...Possibly write more later.


I'd love to read more. I think you've come to some amazing insights. Do you practice listening for Him, or does it just happen spontaneously for you?