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Serpent Seed Theory *Christians Only*

 
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I can see how my post can come off as trolling but its not. The Serpent Seed theory says that the kenites who are the decendants of Cain (Who is the product of Eve and Satan having intercourse)are the ones who control the world through the 4 hidden dynasties of Satan, government, education, religion, and finance. The theory says they (kenites) are the ones who are working to set up a one world system. The serpent seed theory says Cain is Abels twin but hes not from Adam's blood but of Satans. Im not trolling, look it up. Serpent Seed and Kenite.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8603756


Yes, and you forgot what the manuscripts say about Cain and Abel.

Cain and Abel were twins, but they were separated by water sacks.

Cain was quite large, and Abel was smaller.

You very close to the truth, and yet far away...

And the Kenites do rule the World today.

They are the "fake jewish people", the bad fig.
Ah, the parable of the fig tree is coming alive on glp.

blessings
 Quoting: Little Star


How am I far off? Im just saying Adam had sex with the serpent who in rev 20:2 documents that its satan.
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I am sorry, I guess I did not express myself correctly. Some of the people who have emailed me because of my teachings know why I struggle with the English language.
And my friend, I know your sealed with the truth.

I will back away, my thoughts were too much and I should of not said anything.
I will not explain that. Forgive me.
And you're doing a good job.

blessings
 Quoting: Little Star


Oh its no biggie. I think your doing a much better job than me in explaining the whole thing. When I made the thread that did come to mind but I held back. You were right, I should have told them.
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This is worth taking a look at...

[link to www.amazon.com]

red_heart
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That book debunks itself in the product description.

Product Description -
There are many false doctrines that are taught by some that profess to be Christians, but very few are as dangerous as the Serpent Seed Theory. The theory teaches that Cain was really the son of Lucifer even though the Bible clearly states the opposite. At the heart of this Satanic doctrine is usually the lie that the jewish people in Israel today are really the seed of Satan. This is the same doctrine that Hitler used to justify the slaughter of millions of innocent people.

The parable of the fig tree proves the Serpent seed theory to be true.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2942726


What a bunch of junk.

You fully don't listen to Christ teachings.

Why am I being so stern with what you said?

Because people will always use some man and what they have done as their source of reference.
For an example if I got into a debate about the "rapture", I can point to 2 Thess. 2:1 telling us about our gathering back to Christ. And the timing is giving in 6 verse's there.
Yet the pre-trib believers believe differently. Why?

So, just making out out right statement about how you're walk in the Word and what you believe is to be true, just might be wrong.

And that statement goes for me too! And it goes for all of us!

My bible tells me to study, yet there are some that say we can throw away the bible and run with the spirit. What spirit?

I hope you got my point. If not, put it on a shelf. Thanks for your info, but I am sure I can quote others too, like Bullingers work and many other scholars.
But are they correct?
Bullinger would blow most of us out of the water with his teachings. And guess what, many good students have found out he made mistakes. Why?
Cuz he did not know what the future brought. If he could of seen the future and as good as he was, he would of changed some of his wording.
I walk with many top students. Some of us get together not to debate, but to dig out the truth because of the grand deception.
My bible tells me not to put my trust in some man.
My bible tells me to put all my trust in the LORD.
That is my number one teacher.

And my words mean nothing either.
We all work out our own salvation. (I Hope you all know where I pulled that from )
blessings
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All of this makes me think, how Satan uses everything to deceive. He even uses the scriptures. Jesus says The sower soweth the word, he also says the devil sows seed.

Since sheep "HEAR" and others do not hear, how is their religion formed? I have an opinion...

First off let me say, I love the scriptures, I think they are from God, and are truth, this truth, is revealed by the author, and the author is to be known. The truth is within the text, explained by the same one who wrote it, if we interpret it; we end up with a private interpretation. The author is greater than the book, yet that doesn't diminish the book, or the truth that it contains.

Today many know the bible, but have never had God become real to them. Most people have never had God make himself known to them even through a beautiful sunset. To most God is just history, or he is way off in space somewhere. The importance is not in experiences, but instead experiencing God. I contend, you have to experienced God. Possibly he opens the scriptures to you, and makes them come alive; they became a "word" of God to you.

It would be like you and I having coffee everyday together, sharing life and all things included. We would age together and become deep friends. We may never have a spiritual experience, but we would definitely experience each other, as Moses experienced God at the tent, when Miriam and Aron spoke against Moses, and God spoke about how He and Moses were friends. Moses experienced God. God was experienced by everyone we read about in the OT and the NT.

You know the parable of the sower, the seeds sown by Jesus, and the seeds sown by the Devil. Those seeds manifest themselves for what they really are. These are people, could be religious, like the pharisees, who were called children of the devil by Jesus. They may be the nicest, sweetest people, but what seed are they of?

I fear that the so-called church, the large visible body that meets on the corner of every city in America is missing God. There are many within this so-called visible church (though fewer in number) that truly belong to Jesus, these are the invisible church. From my point of view, the visible church has sprung up not from experiencing God, but from its exposure to the bible "The Scriptures", but this is not necessarily so, of the invisible church "The Ecklesia".

For example most people throughout history couldn't read, we had no printing presses, and when printed most people couldn't afford the bible, this is seen during the dark ages, yet the ecklesia thrived. How? It wasn't because they had a bible; it was because God was real and made himself known to them. Possibly through someone who had a bible, but probably not.

Brother Lawrence / Laubach; in his book practicing the presence; makes the claim that God became real to him, by seeing a tree losing it leaves, knowing life would again come to the tree the following year.

Here forgive me.... Let me expound more and just be open, even though we don't know each other, possibly we can glean from one another as two who see the forest from different angles?

Could it be, that True and False Christianity...Are both produced by the Bible. Everything is about contrast (light, dark, evil, and good), or it's to express God's glory, and his many attributes...God even created evil for this purposes.

The contrast in Christianity is the true church, and the false church. The invisible ecklesia -vs- the large visible body of people in every church, on every corner. The wheat, and the chaff or tare. The good seed and the bad seed. The Pharisee, and Jesus, sheep and Goats, Light and darkness.

Today is a replay of the life of Jesus in his body singular (the one that died on the cross); now this body "His Body" is plural, many membered...The same prosecutions, torments, dying, will happen in us as it did in him. Now the Pharisees are the religious of today. True Christianity and false Christianity, is so close, to the real church, the real walk, the real life...So close that it could even fool the elect, if that were possible....

So how does God establish the tare, this large so-called church. Do we see it throughout time? Yes, and it all started with two trees. The tree of life, and the tree of knowledge. We see the essence of these two trees, in many forms. One is in the visible church, and the invisible church, the wheat and tare.

The large visible church exists and is sustained by the visible, tangible, written word (The Bible). They find themselves at home with the text, they can control it, they build laws, rules, religious rituals, and doctrines. By this same knowledge they also remove God, who is Spirit, out of their midst, issues of control, a form of religion, and rules, that denies the power thereof. There is no body ministry, led of God's Spirit.

Do you think this would all be obvious, and plainly visible, or only visible to us by discernment? It had to be hidden, even from those who were in the midst of it, or else they would not have participated. Both sides, real and false are hidden, even from themselves. If not hidden, you couldn't get anyone to participate in this plan of God.

I'm not against these people; most are genuine, nice, sweet people. But we are discussing truth here. Now God is revealing these things to us, and getting ready to reveal us to each other, to reveal the true church to herself, to reveal the false church to the true.

While most of the members of both groups are wonderful people and well intentioned, the visible false church, is still like the Pharisees of old. They search the scriptures daily, but won't come to Christ, that they might have life. In fact they were never destined to life, this is what the scriptures say, the body / the ecklesia / the invisible church has life, they were destined to life, from the beginning.

The true body, the ecklesia exist by "the word", they know a hidden walk, they know the masters voice. This has got to be the common denominator throughout time, since many could not read, and the few that could read, didn't have a copy of the bible. Yet the Ecklesia flourished, even in the dark ages, and in countries that never allowed sacred texts, like China, and Russia...

Today both flourish, and this thing called church, or churchianity, has said to all, we represent God. But they do not, and God is getting ready to show this world, his true church, the ecklesia....God's mercy, and the world demand such an event, to rid God, of the stain of falsehood. Whether that be TV preachers, or even all the pain caused to so many in the name of God by so-called Christianity, which was NOT Christianity, but instead, it was this false church the large, visible church, this system.

God is separating HIS people "The Ecclesia from this thing called church, "churchianity". He is building his kingdom, it is on the inside. That is what Jesus says.

There is no way for light and darkness to fellowship together and there is NO way all those people in all these churches are truly born again via an encounter with Christ. That encounter must take place...We must experience God.

So there is no way they can fellowship with you, or you with them, if you are part of that invisible "REAL" church, for what fellowship does light have with darkness. You might as well go to a Safeway store and try and "do church" with all the people there, it will not work.

Remember Jesus says "my sheep hear my voice", and man shall not live by bread alone, the word of the Lord came unto, peter rise and eat, ETC. You see what I mean? "The word of the Lord" via "The scriptures" can become a fresh word to you, but, we can not use the terms "The word" and "the bible" interchangeably.

The point I'm making is, there is a lot written in the bible about hearing, hardly anything about reading. Everything written in the bible was spoken before it was written. Genesis was spoken, and then written by Moses.

We must come to a common denominator, for people to receive Christ, to hear the message, or to experience Christianity, and it cannot be the bible, even though God has used the scriptures to do so on occasion. Still I love the scriptures, and they are true, they are God inspired. They have just been elevated to a position by this false church, where they have taken the place of God.

Also to express my point, do this: Every place in the scriptures where it says, "the word" or "the word came unto" replace every instance with "The bible"....It just will not make sense...

As far as people hearing "The word" vs studying "The scriptures" I see a big difference between the two. One is heard, one is read. Many can read, few can hear. One is always spoken, and one is written, but can be made alive to you, and become a spoken word. God also speaks apart from the scriptures, remember God spoke to Adam and Moses before there was a written bible.

Thus we have interchanged the two, elevating "The bible" above God, and the leading of the Spirit, and we have placed the bible above "The Word"...

I wonder, could we say that we love the scriptures, and that they are inspired, but God never meant for us to live by them, nor the Jewish people the Torah. But instead by the Spirit / the word / His breath...His words of promise, leading us into all truth?

We have two types of church. Those led by the Spirit, and those seeing and leaning only on "The book". I love the scriptures, and I have several bibles. BUT we must not elevate the bible above God, and I'm afraid that is what many churches (people) have done.

The "Word" and "The bible" are not one and the same...The common denominator throughout time Has been God reaching out to man, possibly by a sunset, or a person who was "LED" of the spirit to witnesses to you, or God speaks to you, but God has not, at all times used the bible. Of course there are times that the Spirit moves someone, through the use of Scripture, but that is not my point.

What do we say of the first 3000 years of man, until Moses wrote the Torah, where was God? He was doing what he has always done, personally interacting with man.

The faith we have is more than intellectual knowledge, it IS LIFE...Two trees were in the garden; today we face that same thing? "Knowledge" OR "Life"...
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I am sorry, I have to say this, and I love you very much in the Lord.
YOu were quite long and I know your doctrine well. But as a student in the Word, I find many many mistakes in your format.

Funny thing too about some of you stuff, Christ dying on the cross said something. What was that?
Many pastors teach Christ was weak on the cross. And that ticks me off, big time.

Your words are the same words that have been used on me by many churches. They teach everything that you just did.

And all through the bible we see the children of God falling. And why? They got the Tora given? Because they did just what you told us to do.

That is "JUST BELIEVE" and don't learn the Word...

Do you know how many people have been hurt by your doctrine you just shared with us?
I am victim of that doctrine. They tell me to Love the Lord, walk in the spirit and never open the Word.

That is why there is so much confusion in churches.

You gave me an opportunity to tell people, this.

NO, listen to Christ because on His dying breath, HE WAS TEACHING SCRIPTURE. To keep us in Gods Word.

But, hey, if you think you can walk your life without the Word locked and loaded, I am sure Satan would love to try you...
I am not being nasty. I am proving something to you.

When the real Holy Spirit hits a person, they are moved.
My Holy Spirit that I am listen says this to me...

"If anyone comes up to you and gives you a message from God and they CAN'T VERIFY IT IN THE WORD, they are liars and workers of the devil.."

That, is what I teach, because the grand deception is that bad. And because many refuse the Word, Satan uses them to tell others not to learn the truth.
I just spoke today about how a pastor out east had used 8 woman as sex slaves with several of that area's pastors.

This thing got out of hand. The wife came home crying with the two pastors that just had sex with her. And her husband took a base ball bat to those two pastors and that is how it got into court.
How could these so called men of God do such a thing and how can they get away with it?

Answer: Cuz he kept the congregation ignorant of what is WRITTEN.

IT is written, have you not read, my Lord Jesus says to me.

blessings
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I think you misunderstood what this poster was saying completely.
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I am not making an excuse, but do to my health issue, I had to take a pain pill.
And being dyslexic makes it hard for me at time.
And you are 100% correct, I blew it on that persons postings.
I hope that person reads this, I feel bad about it.
Darn my health. Or God help me. lol

Thanks for helping me.
God bless you
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Little Star, do you believe Satans seed line are automatically damned to hell? I dont, they can go to heaven if they accept Jesus and love God. How does one show that they love God? By obeying his commandments. I also believe that even if a person isnt from Satans seed line they can be damned by swaying away from the word. So ultimately, its about loving God and no one regardless of which line they came from is immune to being damned.
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YES, a Kenite can be saved by the blood of Christ. His blood can save anyone, even the seed line of Satan.

I have to go, and I don't want to leave. OP, thanks for this thread. I hope many get their eyes opened, because the enemy it really hurting this earth and all of Gods children are paying for what these monsters are doing.

How I come to that conclusion is because of the knowledge of Zec. 13, 8 and 9.
To have one third of this or that, we need something that tells about that subject.
We are in the second earth age. Think about this. Many of you know this. For the rest, Sela.

God bless all.
I am book marking this, I will be back tomorrow.

Hey, for what it is worth. Blessings to all.

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All of this makes me think, how Satan uses everything to deceive. He even uses the scriptures. Jesus says The sower soweth the word, he also says the devil sows seed.

Since sheep "HEAR" and others do not hear, how is their religion formed? I have an opinion...

First off let me say, I love the scriptures, I think they are from God, and are truth, this truth, is revealed by the author, and the author is to be known. The truth is within the text, explained by the same one who wrote it, if we interpret it; we end up with a private interpretation. The author is greater than the book, yet that doesn't diminish the book, or the truth that it contains.

Today many know the bible, but have never had God become real to them. Most people have never had God make himself known to them even through a beautiful sunset. To most God is just history, or he is way off in space somewhere. The importance is not in experiences, but instead experiencing God. I contend, you have to experienced God. Possibly he opens the scriptures to you, and makes them come alive; they became a "word" of God to you.

It would be like you and I having coffee everyday together, sharing life and all things included. We would age together and become deep friends. We may never have a spiritual experience, but we would definitely experience each other, as Moses experienced God at the tent, when Miriam and Aron spoke against Moses, and God spoke about how He and Moses were friends. Moses experienced God. God was experienced by everyone we read about in the OT and the NT.

You know the parable of the sower, the seeds sown by Jesus, and the seeds sown by the Devil. Those seeds manifest themselves for what they really are. These are people, could be religious, like the pharisees, who were called children of the devil by Jesus. They may be the nicest, sweetest people, but what seed are they of?

I fear that the so-called church, the large visible body that meets on the corner of every city in America is missing God. There are many within this so-called visible church (though fewer in number) that truly belong to Jesus, these are the invisible church. From my point of view, the visible church has sprung up not from experiencing God, but from its exposure to the bible "The Scriptures", but this is not necessarily so, of the invisible church "The Ecklesia".

For example most people throughout history couldn't read, we had no printing presses, and when printed most people couldn't afford the bible, this is seen during the dark ages, yet the ecklesia thrived. How? It wasn't because they had a bible; it was because God was real and made himself known to them. Possibly through someone who had a bible, but probably not.

Brother Lawrence / Laubach; in his book practicing the presence; makes the claim that God became real to him, by seeing a tree losing it leaves, knowing life would again come to the tree the following year.

Here forgive me.... Let me expound more and just be open, even though we don't know each other, possibly we can glean from one another as two who see the forest from different angles?

Could it be, that True and False Christianity...Are both produced by the Bible. Everything is about contrast (light, dark, evil, and good), or it's to express God's glory, and his many attributes...God even created evil for this purposes.

The contrast in Christianity is the true church, and the false church. The invisible ecklesia -vs- the large visible body of people in every church, on every corner. The wheat, and the chaff or tare. The good seed and the bad seed. The Pharisee, and Jesus, sheep and Goats, Light and darkness.

Today is a replay of the life of Jesus in his body singular (the one that died on the cross); now this body "His Body" is plural, many membered...The same prosecutions, torments, dying, will happen in us as it did in him. Now the Pharisees are the religious of today. True Christianity and false Christianity, is so close, to the real church, the real walk, the real life...So close that it could even fool the elect, if that were possible....

So how does God establish the tare, this large so-called church. Do we see it throughout time? Yes, and it all started with two trees. The tree of life, and the tree of knowledge. We see the essence of these two trees, in many forms. One is in the visible church, and the invisible church, the wheat and tare.

The large visible church exists and is sustained by the visible, tangible, written word (The Bible). They find themselves at home with the text, they can control it, they build laws, rules, religious rituals, and doctrines. By this same knowledge they also remove God, who is Spirit, out of their midst, issues of control, a form of religion, and rules, that denies the power thereof. There is no body ministry, led of God's Spirit.

Do you think this would all be obvious, and plainly visible, or only visible to us by discernment? It had to be hidden, even from those who were in the midst of it, or else they would not have participated. Both sides, real and false are hidden, even from themselves. If not hidden, you couldn't get anyone to participate in this plan of God.

I'm not against these people; most are genuine, nice, sweet people. But we are discussing truth here. Now God is revealing these things to us, and getting ready to reveal us to each other, to reveal the true church to herself, to reveal the false church to the true.

While most of the members of both groups are wonderful people and well intentioned, the visible false church, is still like the Pharisees of old. They search the scriptures daily, but won't come to Christ, that they might have life. In fact they were never destined to life, this is what the scriptures say, the body / the ecklesia / the invisible church has life, they were destined to life, from the beginning.

The true body, the ecklesia exist by "the word", they know a hidden walk, they know the masters voice. This has got to be the common denominator throughout time, since many could not read, and the few that could read, didn't have a copy of the bible. Yet the Ecklesia flourished, even in the dark ages, and in countries that never allowed sacred texts, like China, and Russia...

Today both flourish, and this thing called church, or churchianity, has said to all, we represent God. But they do not, and God is getting ready to show this world, his true church, the ecklesia....God's mercy, and the world demand such an event, to rid God, of the stain of falsehood. Whether that be TV preachers, or even all the pain caused to so many in the name of God by so-called Christianity, which was NOT Christianity, but instead, it was this false church the large, visible church, this system.

God is separating HIS people "The Ecclesia from this thing called church, "churchianity". He is building his kingdom, it is on the inside. That is what Jesus says.

There is no way for light and darkness to fellowship together and there is NO way all those people in all these churches are truly born again via an encounter with Christ. That encounter must take place...We must experience God.

So there is no way they can fellowship with you, or you with them, if you are part of that invisible "REAL" church, for what fellowship does light have with darkness. You might as well go to a Safeway store and try and "do church" with all the people there, it will not work.

Remember Jesus says "my sheep hear my voice", and man shall not live by bread alone, the word of the Lord came unto, peter rise and eat, ETC. You see what I mean? "The word of the Lord" via "The scriptures" can become a fresh word to you, but, we can not use the terms "The word" and "the bible" interchangeably.

The point I'm making is, there is a lot written in the bible about hearing, hardly anything about reading. Everything written in the bible was spoken before it was written. Genesis was spoken, and then written by Moses.

We must come to a common denominator, for people to receive Christ, to hear the message, or to experience Christianity, and it cannot be the bible, even though God has used the scriptures to do so on occasion. Still I love the scriptures, and they are true, they are God inspired. They have just been elevated to a position by this false church, where they have taken the place of God.

Also to express my point, do this: Every place in the scriptures where it says, "the word" or "the word came unto" replace every instance with "The bible"....It just will not make sense...

As far as people hearing "The word" vs studying "The scriptures" I see a big difference between the two. One is heard, one is read. Many can read, few can hear. One is always spoken, and one is written, but can be made alive to you, and become a spoken word. God also speaks apart from the scriptures, remember God spoke to Adam and Moses before there was a written bible.

Thus we have interchanged the two, elevating "The bible" above God, and the leading of the Spirit, and we have placed the bible above "The Word"...

I wonder, could we say that we love the scriptures, and that they are inspired, but God never meant for us to live by them, nor the Jewish people the Torah. But instead by the Spirit / the word / His breath...His words of promise, leading us into all truth?

We have two types of church. Those led by the Spirit, and those seeing and leaning only on "The book". I love the scriptures, and I have several bibles. BUT we must not elevate the bible above God, and I'm afraid that is what many churches (people) have done.

The "Word" and "The bible" are not one and the same...The common denominator throughout time Has been God reaching out to man, possibly by a sunset, or a person who was "LED" of the spirit to witnesses to you, or God speaks to you, but God has not, at all times used the bible. Of course there are times that the Spirit moves someone, through the use of Scripture, but that is not my point.

What do we say of the first 3000 years of man, until Moses wrote the Torah, where was God? He was doing what he has always done, personally interacting with man.

The faith we have is more than intellectual knowledge, it IS LIFE...Two trees were in the garden; today we face that same thing? "Knowledge" OR "Life"...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8407446


I am sorry, I have to say this, and I love you very much in the Lord.
YOu were quite long and I know your doctrine well. But as a student in the Word, I find many many mistakes in your format.

Funny thing too about some of you stuff, Christ dying on the cross said something. What was that?
Many pastors teach Christ was weak on the cross. And that ticks me off, big time.

Your words are the same words that have been used on me by many churches. They teach everything that you just did.

And all through the bible we see the children of God falling. And why? They got the Tora given? Because they did just what you told us to do.

That is "JUST BELIEVE" and don't learn the Word...

Do you know how many people have been hurt by your doctrine you just shared with us?
I am victim of that doctrine. They tell me to Love the Lord, walk in the spirit and never open the Word.

That is why there is so much confusion in churches.

You gave me an opportunity to tell people, this.

NO, listen to Christ because on His dying breath, HE WAS TEACHING SCRIPTURE. To keep us in Gods Word.

But, hey, if you think you can walk your life without the Word locked and loaded, I am sure Satan would love to try you...
I am not being nasty. I am proving something to you.

When the real Holy Spirit hits a person, they are moved.
My Holy Spirit that I am listen says this to me...

"If anyone comes up to you and gives you a message from God and they CAN'T VERIFY IT IN THE WORD, they are liars and workers of the devil.."

That, is what I teach, because the grand deception is that bad. And because many refuse the Word, Satan uses them to tell others not to learn the truth.
I just spoke today about how a pastor out east had used 8 woman as sex slaves with several of that area's pastors.

This thing got out of hand. The wife came home crying with the two pastors that just had sex with her. And her husband took a base ball bat to those two pastors and that is how it got into court.
How could these so called men of God do such a thing and how can they get away with it?

Answer: Cuz he kept the congregation ignorant of what is WRITTEN.

IT is written, have you not read, my Lord Jesus says to me.

blessings
 Quoting: Little Star


I think you misunderstood what this poster was saying completely.
 Quoting: Dried Up Hag


nope......he was completely right.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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All of this makes me think, how Satan uses everything to deceive. He even uses the scriptures. Jesus says The sower soweth the word, he also says the devil sows seed.

Since sheep "HEAR" and others do not hear, how is their religion formed? I have an opinion...

First off let me say, I love the scriptures, I think they are from God, and are truth, this truth, is revealed by the author, and the author is to be known. The truth is within the text, explained by the same one who wrote it, if we interpret it; we end up with a private interpretation. The author is greater than the book, yet that doesn't diminish the book, or the truth that it contains.

Today many know the bible, but have never had God become real to them. Most people have never had God make himself known to them even through a beautiful sunset. To most God is just history, or he is way off in space somewhere. The importance is not in experiences, but instead experiencing God. I contend, you have to experienced God. Possibly he opens the scriptures to you, and makes them come alive; they became a "word" of God to you.

It would be like you and I having coffee everyday together, sharing life and all things included. We would age together and become deep friends. We may never have a spiritual experience, but we would definitely experience each other, as Moses experienced God at the tent, when Miriam and Aron spoke against Moses, and God spoke about how He and Moses were friends. Moses experienced God. God was experienced by everyone we read about in the OT and the NT.

You know the parable of the sower, the seeds sown by Jesus, and the seeds sown by the Devil. Those seeds manifest themselves for what they really are. These are people, could be religious, like the pharisees, who were called children of the devil by Jesus. They may be the nicest, sweetest people, but what seed are they of?

I fear that the so-called church, the large visible body that meets on the corner of every city in America is missing God. There are many within this so-called visible church (though fewer in number) that truly belong to Jesus, these are the invisible church. From my point of view, the visible church has sprung up not from experiencing God, but from its exposure to the bible "The Scriptures", but this is not necessarily so, of the invisible church "The Ecklesia".

For example most people throughout history couldn't read, we had no printing presses, and when printed most people couldn't afford the bible, this is seen during the dark ages, yet the ecklesia thrived. How? It wasn't because they had a bible; it was because God was real and made himself known to them. Possibly through someone who had a bible, but probably not.

Brother Lawrence / Laubach; in his book practicing the presence; makes the claim that God became real to him, by seeing a tree losing it leaves, knowing life would again come to the tree the following year.

Here forgive me.... Let me expound more and just be open, even though we don't know each other, possibly we can glean from one another as two who see the forest from different angles?

Could it be, that True and False Christianity...Are both produced by the Bible. Everything is about contrast (light, dark, evil, and good), or it's to express God's glory, and his many attributes...God even created evil for this purposes.

The contrast in Christianity is the true church, and the false church. The invisible ecklesia -vs- the large visible body of people in every church, on every corner. The wheat, and the chaff or tare. The good seed and the bad seed. The Pharisee, and Jesus, sheep and Goats, Light and darkness.

Today is a replay of the life of Jesus in his body singular (the one that died on the cross); now this body "His Body" is plural, many membered...The same prosecutions, torments, dying, will happen in us as it did in him. Now the Pharisees are the religious of today. True Christianity and false Christianity, is so close, to the real church, the real walk, the real life...So close that it could even fool the elect, if that were possible....

So how does God establish the tare, this large so-called church. Do we see it throughout time? Yes, and it all started with two trees. The tree of life, and the tree of knowledge. We see the essence of these two trees, in many forms. One is in the visible church, and the invisible church, the wheat and tare.

The large visible church exists and is sustained by the visible, tangible, written word (The Bible). They find themselves at home with the text, they can control it, they build laws, rules, religious rituals, and doctrines. By this same knowledge they also remove God, who is Spirit, out of their midst, issues of control, a form of religion, and rules, that denies the power thereof. There is no body ministry, led of God's Spirit.

Do you think this would all be obvious, and plainly visible, or only visible to us by discernment? It had to be hidden, even from those who were in the midst of it, or else they would not have participated. Both sides, real and false are hidden, even from themselves. If not hidden, you couldn't get anyone to participate in this plan of God.

I'm not against these people; most are genuine, nice, sweet people. But we are discussing truth here. Now God is revealing these things to us, and getting ready to reveal us to each other, to reveal the true church to herself, to reveal the false church to the true.

While most of the members of both groups are wonderful people and well intentioned, the visible false church, is still like the Pharisees of old. They search the scriptures daily, but won't come to Christ, that they might have life. In fact they were never destined to life, this is what the scriptures say, the body / the ecklesia / the invisible church has life, they were destined to life, from the beginning.

The true body, the ecklesia exist by "the word", they know a hidden walk, they know the masters voice. This has got to be the common denominator throughout time, since many could not read, and the few that could read, didn't have a copy of the bible. Yet the Ecklesia flourished, even in the dark ages, and in countries that never allowed sacred texts, like China, and Russia...

Today both flourish, and this thing called church, or churchianity, has said to all, we represent God. But they do not, and God is getting ready to show this world, his true church, the ecklesia....God's mercy, and the world demand such an event, to rid God, of the stain of falsehood. Whether that be TV preachers, or even all the pain caused to so many in the name of God by so-called Christianity, which was NOT Christianity, but instead, it was this false church the large, visible church, this system.

God is separating HIS people "The Ecclesia from this thing called church, "churchianity". He is building his kingdom, it is on the inside. That is what Jesus says.

There is no way for light and darkness to fellowship together and there is NO way all those people in all these churches are truly born again via an encounter with Christ. That encounter must take place...We must experience God.

So there is no way they can fellowship with you, or you with them, if you are part of that invisible "REAL" church, for what fellowship does light have with darkness. You might as well go to a Safeway store and try and "do church" with all the people there, it will not work.

Remember Jesus says "my sheep hear my voice", and man shall not live by bread alone, the word of the Lord came unto, peter rise and eat, ETC. You see what I mean? "The word of the Lord" via "The scriptures" can become a fresh word to you, but, we can not use the terms "The word" and "the bible" interchangeably.

The point I'm making is, there is a lot written in the bible about hearing, hardly anything about reading. Everything written in the bible was spoken before it was written. Genesis was spoken, and then written by Moses.

We must come to a common denominator, for people to receive Christ, to hear the message, or to experience Christianity, and it cannot be the bible, even though God has used the scriptures to do so on occasion. Still I love the scriptures, and they are true, they are God inspired. They have just been elevated to a position by this false church, where they have taken the place of God.

Also to express my point, do this: Every place in the scriptures where it says, "the word" or "the word came unto" replace every instance with "The bible"....It just will not make sense...

As far as people hearing "The word" vs studying "The scriptures" I see a big difference between the two. One is heard, one is read. Many can read, few can hear. One is always spoken, and one is written, but can be made alive to you, and become a spoken word. God also speaks apart from the scriptures, remember God spoke to Adam and Moses before there was a written bible.

Thus we have interchanged the two, elevating "The bible" above God, and the leading of the Spirit, and we have placed the bible above "The Word"...

I wonder, could we say that we love the scriptures, and that they are inspired, but God never meant for us to live by them, nor the Jewish people the Torah. But instead by the Spirit / the word / His breath...His words of promise, leading us into all truth?

We have two types of church. Those led by the Spirit, and those seeing and leaning only on "The book". I love the scriptures, and I have several bibles. BUT we must not elevate the bible above God, and I'm afraid that is what many churches (people) have done.

The "Word" and "The bible" are not one and the same...The common denominator throughout time Has been God reaching out to man, possibly by a sunset, or a person who was "LED" of the spirit to witnesses to you, or God speaks to you, but God has not, at all times used the bible. Of course there are times that the Spirit moves someone, through the use of Scripture, but that is not my point.

What do we say of the first 3000 years of man, until Moses wrote the Torah, where was God? He was doing what he has always done, personally interacting with man.

The faith we have is more than intellectual knowledge, it IS LIFE...Two trees were in the garden; today we face that same thing? "Knowledge" OR "Life"...
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I am sorry, I have to say this, and I love you very much in the Lord.
YOu were quite long and I know your doctrine well. But as a student in the Word, I find many many mistakes in your format.

Funny thing too about some of you stuff, Christ dying on the cross said something. What was that?
Many pastors teach Christ was weak on the cross. And that ticks me off, big time.

Your words are the same words that have been used on me by many churches. They teach everything that you just did.

And all through the bible we see the children of God falling. And why? They got the Tora given? Because they did just what you told us to do.

That is "JUST BELIEVE" and don't learn the Word...

Do you know how many people have been hurt by your doctrine you just shared with us?
I am victim of that doctrine. They tell me to Love the Lord, walk in the spirit and never open the Word.

That is why there is so much confusion in churches.

You gave me an opportunity to tell people, this.

NO, listen to Christ because on His dying breath, HE WAS TEACHING SCRIPTURE. To keep us in Gods Word.

But, hey, if you think you can walk your life without the Word locked and loaded, I am sure Satan would love to try you...
I am not being nasty. I am proving something to you.

When the real Holy Spirit hits a person, they are moved.
My Holy Spirit that I am listen says this to me...

"If anyone comes up to you and gives you a message from God and they CAN'T VERIFY IT IN THE WORD, they are liars and workers of the devil.."

That, is what I teach, because the grand deception is that bad. And because many refuse the Word, Satan uses them to tell others not to learn the truth.
I just spoke today about how a pastor out east had used 8 woman as sex slaves with several of that area's pastors.

This thing got out of hand. The wife came home crying with the two pastors that just had sex with her. And her husband took a base ball bat to those two pastors and that is how it got into court.
How could these so called men of God do such a thing and how can they get away with it?

Answer: Cuz he kept the congregation ignorant of what is WRITTEN.

IT is written, have you not read, my Lord Jesus says to me.

blessings
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I think you misunderstood what this poster was saying completely.
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nope......he was completely right.
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You and I will have to agree to disagree on the matter, then.
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I am sorry, I have to say this, and I love you very much in the Lord.
YOu were quite long and I know your doctrine well. But as a student in the Word, I find many many mistakes in your format.

Funny thing too about some of you stuff, Christ dying on the cross said something. What was that?
Many pastors teach Christ was weak on the cross. And that ticks me off, big time.

Your words are the same words that have been used on me by many churches. They teach everything that you just did.

And all through the bible we see the children of God falling. And why? They got the Tora given? Because they did just what you told us to do.

That is "JUST BELIEVE" and don't learn the Word...

Do you know how many people have been hurt by your doctrine you just shared with us?
I am victim of that doctrine. They tell me to Love the Lord, walk in the spirit and never open the Word.

That is why there is so much confusion in churches.

You gave me an opportunity to tell people, this.

NO, listen to Christ because on His dying breath, HE WAS TEACHING SCRIPTURE. To keep us in Gods Word.

But, hey, if you think you can walk your life without the Word locked and loaded, I am sure Satan would love to try you...
I am not being nasty. I am proving something to you.

When the real Holy Spirit hits a person, they are moved.
My Holy Spirit that I am listen says this to me...

"If anyone comes up to you and gives you a message from God and they CAN'T VERIFY IT IN THE WORD, they are liars and workers of the devil.."

That, is what I teach, because the grand deception is that bad. And because many refuse the Word, Satan uses them to tell others not to learn the truth.
I just spoke today about how a pastor out east had used 8 woman as sex slaves with several of that area's pastors.

This thing got out of hand. The wife came home crying with the two pastors that just had sex with her. And her husband took a base ball bat to those two pastors and that is how it got into court.
How could these so called men of God do such a thing and how can they get away with it?

Answer: Cuz he kept the congregation ignorant of what is WRITTEN.

IT is written, have you not read, my Lord Jesus says to me.

blessings
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I think you misunderstood what this poster was saying completely.
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nope......he was completely right.
 Quoting: Shamar


You and I will have to agree to disagree on the matter, then.
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I saw where LittleStar retracted his words, and I understand why. I also understand what prompted his inital response.... and his initial response was quite correct. It's a fine line......and only until one delves deep into the Hebraic meaning of the Word can you begin to understand how and where to draw the line......

Shalom.
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this forum attracts some very sick individuals. seek help.
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You are a psychoanalyst's wet dream, OP.
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I think you misunderstood what this poster was saying completely.
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nope......he was completely right.
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You and I will have to agree to disagree on the matter, then.
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I saw where LittleStar retracted his words, and I understand why. I also understand what prompted his inital response.... and his initial response was quite correct. It's a fine line......and only until one delves deep into the Hebraic meaning of the Word can you begin to understand how and where to draw the line......

Shalom.
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Again - I respectfully disagree.
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this forum attracts some very sick individuals. seek help.
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So you're sayin Eve did not have sex with the Serpent?
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nope......he was completely right.
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You and I will have to agree to disagree on the matter, then.
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I saw where LittleStar retracted his words, and I understand why. I also understand what prompted his inital response.... and his initial response was quite correct. It's a fine line......and only until one delves deep into the Hebraic meaning of the Word can you begin to understand how and where to draw the line......

Shalom.
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Again - I respectfully disagree.
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That's fine......np. If you are open for discussion though, I am happy to do so. If you are set in your beliefs then we disagree....... shalom.
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Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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You and I will have to agree to disagree on the matter, then.
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I saw where LittleStar retracted his words, and I understand why. I also understand what prompted his inital response.... and his initial response was quite correct. It's a fine line......and only until one delves deep into the Hebraic meaning of the Word can you begin to understand how and where to draw the line......

Shalom.
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Again - I respectfully disagree.
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That's fine......np. If you are open for discussion though, I am happy to do so. If you are set in your beliefs then we disagree....... shalom.
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I'm always open for discussion....I just don't want to be drawn into contention.
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I saw where LittleStar retracted his words, and I understand why. I also understand what prompted his inital response.... and his initial response was quite correct. It's a fine line......and only until one delves deep into the Hebraic meaning of the Word can you begin to understand how and where to draw the line......

Shalom.
 Quoting: Shamar


Again - I respectfully disagree.
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e
That's fine......np. If you are open for discussion though, I am happy to do so. If you are set in your beliefs then we disagree....... shalom.
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I'm always open for discussion....I just don't want to be drawn into contention.
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I just looked at that link you posted and it claims that the jewish people in Israel are the true jewish people sorry but I dont buy that part.
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Again - I respectfully disagree.
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That's fine......np. If you are open for discussion though, I am happy to do so. If you are set in your beliefs then we disagree....... shalom.
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I'm always open for discussion....I just don't want to be drawn into contention.
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I just looked at that link you posted and it claims that the jewish people in Israel are the true jewish people sorry but I dont buy that part.
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Ok.
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since when does glp provide 'private' sites to christians only?if i want to have my say here,,bad luck i can
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That's fine......np. If you are open for discussion though, I am happy to do so. If you are set in your beliefs then we disagree....... shalom.
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I'm always open for discussion....I just don't want to be drawn into contention.
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I just looked at that link you posted and it claims that the jewish people in Israel are the true jewish people sorry but I dont buy that part.
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Ok.
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So do you agree that they are or not?
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I'm always open for discussion....I just don't want to be drawn into contention.
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I just looked at that link you posted and it claims that the jewish people in Israel are the true jewish people sorry but I dont buy that part.
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Ok.
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So do you agree that they are or not?
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I haven't a clue, nor do I care. The things that are taught to me and shown to me have only to do with myself and scripture. I'm not an apostle at this time of my life, so I don't yet possess all the "secret things of God," as Paul described in the NT.
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since when does glp provide 'private' sites to christians only?if i want to have my say here,,bad luck i can
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I made it a christian only because i assumed only christians would be interested. If you have something to say about the serpent seed and eve having sex with the serpent then feel free to comment.
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I dislike contention also.....so, where do we disagree? I think at the point of interpreting what is YHWH's Word, what it means and how seriously we should take it.

What say you?

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Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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not sure where the rest of my quote went......this is directed to dried up hag......wait, is that ME ??
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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The scriptures are the scriptures, to me. Brilliant and excellent and very accurate.

However - for me, the scriptures are not as life-giving as the teachings of Jesus.

And as long as you believe that scripture is God's word, and I believe that Jesus is God's word, then I can't see any common ground for us to meet on.
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well, who is Jesus?

scripture please........

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Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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Again - as I said....if you believe that scripture is the word of God, then you and I have no table to meet at.

I'm really not interested in playing games and trying to convert anyone to my way of thinking. I think that you and I are coming from two completely different schools.

Who is Jesus? He is the Light which lightens all men who are born into the world. He is the Christ - in me - the hope of glory.

Jesus is my Teacher. And, as He said....His sheep know His voice.
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The foundation of the Serpent Seed theory is the belief that Eve had sex with Satan and that Satan. Now, if Eve had sex with Satan then that means Adam had sex with Satan too because he took part of what Eve took part in. So if Adam had sex with Satan then that means the white man was the only man to have homosexual sex with Satan.

Adam was white because "his is the Hebrew word for "man". It could be ultimately derived from Hebrew אדם ('adam) meaning "to be red" To be red says it all... Only the white man turns red with his skin.

Again, if Adam had sex with Satan then that means the white man was only man known to have homosexual sex with Satan. Do those of you who believe in the Serpent seed agree?
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no wrong white man is white
native american indians
are red skinned
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except for this quote: if you believe that scripture is the word of God, then you and I have no table to meet at.we definitely part here...........

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friend, seriously, I am NOT playing games..... You are right in your answers but where do your answers come from? who is your Jesus and where does he come from?

You must know there are many Christs.... and Jesus is NOT HIS name. So how can I know that you and I speak of the same Elohim?

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I know of only one true way of salvation and that is through Jesus Christ. My answers come from the time I spend with the Shepherd, listening to His words, seeing the things He wants me to see. And EVERYTHING He shows me lines up perfectly with the revealed scriptures. I sit at no others' feet who call themselves christ.

And if we were talking of the same Christ, then your spirit would recognize me as a sister. But it doesn't. So, I guess you have the answer.
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I am sorry you said it too. For it shows you TOTALLY misunderstood me, and didn't read what I wrote carefully...PLUS I NEVER SAID "JUST BELIEVE" and don't learn the Word...Do you know how many people have been hurt by your doctrine you just shared with us?
I am victim of that doctrine. They tell me to Love the Lord, walk in the spirit and never open the Word".


But here read this again OK:

I am not splitting hairs, we have created confusion by not seeing the difference between the scriptures and the word.

Jesus speaks exclusively of hearing not reading (sheep, voice, led, follow, ETC...

What do we do with those who could not read:

This would include the disciples, and the first century church, when their was no bible except the torah, and the prophets, which even IF they could read, people didn't possess. Then we have the dark ages, and those prior to the printing press (because of illiteracy, and the price of the printed text they also had no bible).

The common denominator, for all these saints and even the prophets of the OT is "THE WORD" "The spoken word"...It's all they had...

The spoken word is judged by us, in that it can never disagree with "GODS INTERPRETATION or REVELATION" of the written text. NT and OT...

Yet this agreement is based upon the proper interpretation. Rather God's interpretation is the only correct interpretation.

But for you to obtain this proper interpretation, it requires Leading / Communion / Fellowship / Hearing the word, as spoken to us by the Spirit...(Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God).

Your private interpretation of the meaning of the text, just will not do! So as Christians do we have revelation of the scriptures? Do we hear His voice, are we His sheep?

What if we go back into a period of time when persecution prohibits us from having the scriptures? What happens then to YOUR Christianity?

How did the Ecklesia thrive in the dark ages? How about in China, Russia? All this thriving "WITHOUT A BOOK"...

Who would you rather be, one who thrived without the book as we see in the first century, dark ages, China, Russia, prior to the printing press, indicating a REAL personal relationship...Or one who could only thrive as long as they possessed the book!







I am sorry, I have to say this, and I love you very much in the Lord.
YOu were quite long and I know your doctrine well. But as a student in the Word, I find many many mistakes in your format.

Funny thing too about some of you stuff, Christ dying on the cross said something. What was that?
Many pastors teach Christ was weak on the cross. And that ticks me off, big time.

Your words are the same words that have been used on me by many churches. They teach everything that you just did.

And all through the bible we see the children of God falling. And why? They got the Tora given? Because they did just what you told us to do.

That is "JUST BELIEVE" and don't learn the Word...

Do you know how many people have been hurt by your doctrine you just shared with us?
I am victim of that doctrine. They tell me to Love the Lord, walk in the spirit and never open the Word.

That is why there is so much confusion in churches.

You gave me an opportunity to tell people, this.

NO, listen to Christ because on His dying breath, HE WAS TEACHING SCRIPTURE. To keep us in Gods Word.

But, hey, if you think you can walk your life without the Word locked and loaded, I am sure Satan would love to try you...
I am not being nasty. I am proving something to you.

When the real Holy Spirit hits a person, they are moved.
My Holy Spirit that I am listen says this to me...

"If anyone comes up to you and gives you a message from God and they CAN'T VERIFY IT IN THE WORD, they are liars and workers of the devil.."

That, is what I teach, because the grand deception is that bad. And because many refuse the Word, Satan uses them to tell others not to learn the truth.
I just spoke today about how a pastor out east had used 8 woman as sex slaves with several of that area's pastors.

This thing got out of hand. The wife came home crying with the two pastors that just had sex with her. And her husband took a base ball bat to those two pastors and that is how it got into court.
How could these so called men of God do such a thing and how can they get away with it?

Answer: Cuz he kept the congregation ignorant of what is WRITTEN.

IT is written, have you not read, my Lord Jesus says to me.

blessings
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I Agree there is a BIG difference between the two... And I also agree "The kingdom is within, it is on the inside.



What say you?


The scriptures are the scriptures, to me. Brilliant and excellent and very accurate.

However - for me, the scriptures are not as life-giving as the teachings of Jesus.

And as long as you believe that scripture is God's word, and I believe that Jesus is God's word, then I can't see any common ground for us to meet on.

well, who is Jesus?

scripture please........


Again - as I said....if you believe that scripture is the word of God, then you and I have no table to meet at.

I'm really not interested in playing games and trying to convert anyone to my way of thinking. I think that you and I are coming from two completely different schools.

Who is Jesus? He is the Light which lightens all men who are born into the world. He is the Christ - in me - the hope of glory.

Jesus is my Teacher. And, as He said....His sheep know His voice.
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Below my testimony, are 4 dreams. I have dreams, most I don't remember, and the ones that I do remember are usually stupid. But these 4 were as if I were really there...I would love to know what you think they mean.


MY STORY:
I came from a violent home, (drugs, alcohol, gun shots, being chased with knives, people thrown through picture pane windows), in fact I was born three months early because my father kicked my mother in the stomach, I was born weighing two pounds nine ounces, this was DEC of 1956.

As early as 7yrs old, I was out on the streets till 3-4am, I was put in three orphanages... One night I remember, my father snuck into our house, he put a loaded pistol in my hand and told me too shoot my sisters and my mother, it was crazy. Through all of this, (which I wouldn't change), I came out a fairly normal kid, I was involved in sports and didn't do drugs, or drink. I thought I was a survivor, wanting only too make it through another day.

At age 16 (in 1974) I started too sense a need in my life, an emptiness that I couldn't explain. I knew I had too find God/Jesus, but who was HE? I had no idea where too find HIM, so I went to the local library to find books concerning world religions, God, and the occult. At the library I met an ex hippie (Gary Osborn) he saw my books and decided too share the message with me. Gary invited me to pray in the back of his V.W. so I did, I remember saying "God forgive me for my sins, and whatever you have for me I want it all".

Well at first nothing happened I expected, lightening or something. Gary said, "Just go home and praise God" I said, "What's that, mean" Gary said, "Just thank him" So I did just that.

The remaining is sacred to me, before I asked Jesus into my heart, I never heard voices, I never drank, and I never did drugs, but one week after meeting Jesus while in the middle of my last class (during high school) A voice, just as clear, as someone standing next too you, spoke, and as the voice spoke it said to me, "rod tell them about Jesus" I was surprised, but unafraid, I put my hand over my mouth, since I didn't want anyone too think I was talking too myself, I said (to whoever spoke too me) "I don't know what to say" the voice said "don't be afraid, I'll give you the words to say" To this day I don't remember my words, but I spoke too those kids about Jesus and salvation, their mouths just dropped open and then, class was over, I walked out of that room, feeling like I had never felt before.

The next day was Saturday; I slept in the living room on an old couch. When I woke it was early and I decided too turn on the TV, to watch my favorite cartoon, the roadrunner.

As I sat there watching the TV, I got up and looked outside, everything was so beautiful, (I never appreciated nature, I just wanted too make it thru another day). BUT now it was so pretty, I sat back down on the couch, and as I did I was somewhere else.

I was sitting at a long rough hewn table, to my right was God, the father, I couldn't see him, to my left was Satan, him I could see (he looked like a man only very big) then in front of me was Jesus, three bowls appear, filled with what looked like porridge. Now the father spoke and said Satan dismiss yourself, Satan stood and screamed, then vanished. Three bites were taken out of the bowl. Then all at once I was watching myself from a distance, walking with Jesus up a grassy pathway. Jesus was speaking to me but from a distance I couldn't hear him, I could see myself shaking my head (like I understand) then thru my eyes I saw the house where I had been sleeping.

I didn't know what had happened; I'd never experienced anything like that, but I knew two things, I had too find a pastor to talk too, and I KNEW GOD loved me and wanted something from me...my total surrender, my life totally under his control, every second, moment by moment, and I was consumed with this one desire, to live too PLEASE HIM. Let me give you an example: When a friend from school would come over and say, "Hey rod." "Let's go to a show" I'd say, "hold on." Then Id go in the bathroom and pray, "Lord should I go?" Sometimes the Lord would say "go", sometimes "no" At times He was silent, when this happened I would look inside, to my heart, (Spirit), (see Colossians 3:15) if I had peace I would go, If not, Id stay home.

As I practiced this new desire, (surrender), I noticed the voice of the Lord became more frequent and clearer, (John 10:27). It always had to agree with scripture. The word of the Lord will always agree with the true meaning and / or the true interpretation of scripture).

I new I needed to get a bible, I went to a bookstore and I got the largest family bible Id ever seen, with pictures and everything. I was so happy. That night the voice of the lord said, "Read Matthew 5." I had to look in the contents; I didn't know where Matthew was. When I found it and started too read, the words became a ("Word of the Lord to me") they just jumped off the page, they seemed to come alive, and they filled me, with hope, love and peace. Now I knew God loved me, and my sins were gone, I was forgiven...

As time passed I grew, sometimes Id walk into a busy office or building (like a D.O.L) and the Lord would say go sit by that guy, I would strike up a conversation, then say "you don't know me but I'm a Christian and God is going too share with me about your life" I don't mean simple things like "you have the flu" or "Headaches", but deep, personal things that others couldn't know or even guess. People would usually start to cry and ask "how did you know?" I'd say "I didn't but God knew".

One of the best lessons from the Lord concerning trusting Him happened like this; I was traveling from Philly to Atlantic city, I got on the road, and started to hitch a ride, (it wasn't illegal at that time) within one hour and twenty minuets I was in Atlantic city (which was a one hour drive!) I got 4 different rides, as I stepped into each vehicle I boldly proclaimed "Hi I'm a child of the King, and God's going to bless you for picking me up!" God gave me very personal details about each of those people and all but one came to Christ.

When I got to Atlantic City, God said "Rod, when you get to the prayer meeting tonight I want you to give all your money, to Johnnie Diaz". I said "Lord that's all I've got?" (About 300.00) God replied; "you take care of your brothers and sisters in the Lord and I'll take care of you." So upon arriving in Atlantic City, I secretly gave all my money to Johnnie, (this was to cover something for Johnnie that was very personal, so I know he didn't share this with anyone).

That night I asked myself "how am I going to get back to work, tomorrow? I didn't have a penny, not even enough for bus fare, and in my spirit I knew I wasn't to hitch hike, but instead the Lord wanted me on the bus. After sleeping that night and leaving the brothers house the next day, (where the meeting had been held), I started walking to the bus station. As I got closer and closer, I was imagining, "is the drivers going to just "know" he's suppose to let me ride for free?" But as I approached the depot, a brother named "Chicky" came out of his house and said "rod I think the Lord wants me to give this to you." It was exactly what I needed for bus fare!

This has been a short summary of my life, oh one more thing. Life didn't continue this way for me, I ruined that. I don't live surrendered moment by moment now, or my heart is hidden from me, I'm just not sure. Where does man find the will and desire to live such a life, or is it a gift as is repentance?

Should I confess the most difficult thing in my life with you? After all we are strangers! After living this way for sometime and seeing my life change, and having peace beyond comprehension, I disobeyed the lord after he spoke too me. I lived to obey him, it was my passion…I knew a man, he was a believer, and his name was Bob Chorney. Bob was like the father I never had. Bob is dead now, I loved him very much, and we forgave one another.

One day I went to visit Bob, we talked and prayed for a while then Bob said, "rod", "Paula is gone (Bob's wife). "Why don't you go to dinner with me"? Immediately the Lord spoke and said "rod don't go" I said Bobby I can't go. He said "oh rod go with me ". I said Bob I can't. I prayed back too the lord, in my mind saying "Lord it will be alright, you know I don't drink, I'll just eat something with Bob" The Lord didn't reply. So we went. All was well until a brother named Aggie Rodriguez, started to argue with Bob, I couldn't watch, so I started to leave, as I went outside Bob said "Rod if your going to walk you might as well walk all the way back too Washington, and don't come back" OH the pain. Well the next morning, Bob and Paula showed up, Bob said "rod forgive me I'm so sorry", the Lord spoke instantly and said "rod forgive him, go too him tell him it's ok and that you love him". I said "Lord I can't. I won't, it hurts too bad".

Soon I left for Washington. My life, outside of God's will, was torture. No peace, no answers, sin in total control.

Jean Nicholas Grou says, "God delights in two things, for a man too know God and too know himself." I now know what I'm capable of without him, living life for myself, Sinning, being rebellious. I want to recommend a couple books that I discovered a few years ago, the book is "Practicing the presence" BY Lawrence and Labach, there are two versions this one is best and includes Labach's testimony. "Hinds feet on High places" and "The breaking of the outer man for the release of the spirit" By Watchman Nee are very good also.

Now let me share some thoughts/opinions:

1).How do you describe this LIFE? As a Christian it's hard to do. As I recall moments in my own life, I think of times of stillness, in the midst of activity or in the quiet of night. The presence of His Spirit was there, sometimes speaking other times He was silent, yet the undeniable presence of His Spirit was so real. You couldn't describe it too anyone else, sometimes he was so near, almost physical, at other times He was, just felt, deep in your heart.

I could at times think, and He would answer. Sometimes the answer was spoken, and at other times it was a still small voice in my heart.

Sometimes I would see a person, and while looking at them, I knew about them.

I recall the passion to tell others about him at any given moment, looking for such an occasion never caring where I was, or who was near by.

Constantly His Love moved over me in waves and yet it abode, never departing. I would wake up in the middle of the night and He was there, like a mother hen.

I remember the love for others that was not my own. I remember feeling, and being, separate from the world yet still in its midst.

I recall not worrying about the kind of car I drove, or the condition of my clothes, knowing that He was fully aware of all these things.

I recall being invited out for dinner with brothers, and thinking (silently between myself and God), "Lord I don't have any money, but I'm hungry" and then someone would say "hey rod I'll buy ok?" Do you have days like this?

Do you remember days like this from your past? I believe this is something no one can take from us. This is why WE MUST EXPERIENCE GOD! Experiencing God is more important than the scriptures! You see if you experience HIM then, Bible revelation can be added to you. But if you don't experience HIM first then Bible knowledge is just a compilation of facts, they are true, but they don't have any place of reference, without HIM.

2).Most of my life, at least as far back as I can remember I've had a desire and love for God/Jesus. As I've grown older, I've seen many things in "Christendom", I've seen communes (come and go in failure). I've seen myself and other brothers walk in their own ways (you might call it backsliding), I've been hurt by supposed brothers in Christ, I've seen TV preachers act cocky, and ridiculous, I've seen people chase tithes and money, I've seen people in big churches (faithful tithers) go without help while in need, I've seen people chase their own kingdom and building programs. I've seen people pretend to prophecy, knowing they were not HEARING from HIM, (and in failure, excuse themselves by saying they were practicing), I've seen names in lights (but not Jesus name). I've seen people destroyed by the shepherding movement. I've seen men of god after devoting their lives to "the ministry" destroyed after a single mistake, instead of forgiven. On and on I could go... So does any of the above remind you of the book of acts or the first group of believers?

3).The first century church in the New Testament turned the world upside down in a short time NOT because of their words alone but because of the LIFE residing IN them. This was a spirit thing...NOT a mental thing, it wasn't an agreement with certain doctrines or creeds, it wasn't from arguing the scriptures, it wasn't from forming a new church or denomination, they had and were living LIFE like Jesus 24/7 every moment of each day, a life of submission, pleasing the father, a life defined by others as "seeing they had been with Jesus".

4). In the 1860's 1900's 1940's 1960's we saw the beginning of several moves of God upon people who were desperate to know HIM. They found the one they were seeking for.

Then shortly after in each time period, (even in the new testament) we see charlatans, hirelings move in among the sheep of God, these men who really don't know the master teach doctrines not from revelation via an intimate relationship. But from the minds of others who were also like themselves, who teach only from the tree of knowledge: From the mind of one man to the mind of another, thereby polluting the little sheep and convincing others, because the so-called doctrines of men are believed by the masses also. This is such a subtle thing that it can inhibit your walk, because you're not discipled but instead taught by men who have never had an intimate walk with God. So as believers we must know Him and find revelation that agrees with the scriptures, and or that changes our understanding of the scriptures.

5). A Christian historian tells a true story about a peasant in the 1600's living under the rule of the Catholic Church. The peasant is working the field and a cardinal and his procession go by, as they approach the cardinal speaks to the peasant, about a new edict from Rome. The cardinal quotes a verse of scripture; the peasant replies that the cardinal quoted the verse incorrectly. The cardinal says to the peasant "How would you know, being you are unlearned and illiterate?" The peasant replies: "because the spirit IN ME said you quoted it wrong"!

How true this is, if we only have the book and don't hear that still small voice on the inside, from the throne of our heart the center of HIS kingdom! Then I fear we miss the most important piece of intimacy, yet HIS Word and HIS scriptures work together, one a current guide for us THE NOW and the other, which can still speak but was spoken to another hundreds of years ago, serves as a foundation. But We live by breath, and the words that proceed from the mouth of God, "My sheep know my voice" "for those who are sons of God are led of the spirit of God"



Here is Dream #1:

I was on the head of a beast, in a large body of water (Like the ocean). It was night and the darkness was so real it could be felt. The clouds above were very thick and black. The beast was thrashing as if it wanted to throw me off. I was so afraid!
I was holding on as tight as I could. Then I looked up, and when I did, the clouds opened and rays of light came through the clouds, with the light came that voice that I had heard before and knew so well.

He said "Rod; if I'm ever to use you, I must break you"!
I woke, wet with sweat, shaking...Saying as I woke, "thank you, Lord you haven't forgotten me"

Here is Dream #2:

I am in a church; it is a large church, one that in reality I have never seen. This was a dream that was so real; it was as if I were really there.
In the dream I am cleaning the bathroom floor, on my hands and knees, with a small brush. I stand as a priest comes into the room. I start to speak to him, about spiritual things, he listens, and then I leave the restroom and enter the foyer.

I notice the large room is built in a round fashion and that the windows are also large. People are leaving to go outside. As I exit the building, an earthquake hits, I look up and the sky is doing this "warp 9 star trek" kind of thing. I look to my left and I notice a man is in his car, his head is bleeding, he is dead.

Everyone starts to rejoice, saying "yes that is the big one"! I yell "No". "There is another one coming, and it is much larger"

I start to run for my home, and as I cross a large open area, I reach what looks like a ditch. I jump, but instead of a ditch it a huge open area, a chasm, the ground thousands of feet below! I start to fall so fast, picking up speed as I fall. I yell out "Jesus save me" Something grabs me and lowers me to the ground gently...I start running again.

Here is Dream # 3.

I see a street sign, the name on the sign is Jordan Road. I am walking and then I get picked up by someone in a van. He asks were I'm going and I tell him a few miles ahead.

Then as we reach the destination, I thank him, and look to my right, there is a house in a field. The house is glowing and the light is emanating from the inside of the house, and is visible to me even from a distance.

I know the people within the house are waiting for me, and that I have been somewhere, doing HIS will / work, and that I traveled in a spiritual way, but arrived back in the van.

The love and light from the house are supernatural, the love I feel for them, and the love I perceive from them is not normal love.


Here is Dream # 4:

I am in a large room, with many people, I recognize one or two people, the room is full of people from many different places.

I am standing on a raised platform, that is approx 6-8 inches higher than the floor.

Then I know I am suppose to speak the following words; "Holy Spirit come"...

When I speak the words, God's presence comes very heavy, most fall down, some start to weep and convulse, others are crying for joy.

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