Serpent Seed Theory *Christians Only*

I believe there are hybrids on the earth as a result of what happened in Genesis 6:1-4, but I'm not sure that I believe that Eve had sex with Satan and produced Cain. However, I could be wrong and not seeing it, but it hasn't rang true to my spirit, nor do I find scriptural truth to it anywhere.

How to explain this verse of Adam having knowingly taken the fruit from Eve and eaten of it if we are talking about Eve having sex with Satan? "And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat." I mean, weren't Adam and Eve already having sexual relations before this serpent event??? "And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed." <Genesis 2:25>. They were man and wife BEFORE the serpent/Eve/fruit event happened.

Also look up the instances of the word "fruit" in Genesis in a Strong's. In the instance of Eve eating of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, it has this Hebrew word: "p&#277;riy" <Genesis 3:6>

Then, if you read the account of Cain bringing the fruit to the Lord as an offering, it is also that same Hebrew word for fruit: "p&#277;riy" <Genesis 4:3>

So if we are to believe the Serpent Seed theory that the meaning of "fruit" in Eve's account means "sexual relations," then how does that correlate with the story of Cain bringing his fruit of the ground to the Lord?

Sorry, but the Hebrew word didn't translate because of the accent symbol. Here it is: periy

You're an idiot and obviously can't read and comprehend at the same time!

Easy, cain attempt to offer YHUH a human sacrifice.

well, who is Jesus?

scripture please........


Again - as I said....if you believe that scripture is the word of God, then you and I have no table to meet at.
I'm really not interested in playing games and trying to convert anyone to my way of thinking. I think that you and I are coming from two completely different schools.

Who is Jesus? He is the Light which lightens all men who are born into the world. He is the Christ - in me - the hope of glory.

Jesus is my Teacher. And, as He said....His sheep know His voice.



Yes - the kingdom is within. To enter the kingdom, one must go within. In the name of Jesus Christ. And then listen....listen....listen - and obey what you hear.

The sheep follow the voice of the Shepherd.



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How can I know you follow the same "Jesus" that I do? He is not subjective, you know. And your teaching espouses that He is.

If you don't mind, I'd like to share this link with you. I hope you read through it....i believe it will change how you look at Him, and how you view His eternal Word.

If it does not, then I have to believe there some serious forces at work over you and it then becomes a matter between you and the Most High Elohim...


[link to www.jhshumaker.info]

Last Edited by If You Only Knew on 01/12/2012 01:02 PM

I personally believe that the two seeds are inside each person....the firstborn, (Cain) represents us before we are born again, and unable to please God with our sacrifice. Also, it speaks to our sinful nature that Cain, in jealousy of the second-born, murdered him.

Scripture teaches that those who belong to the world will rise up and persecute those who belong to the Lord.

Abel represents the second-born, being born of the Spirit, whose sacrifice pleases the Lord.

Same story repeats itself in a way with the story of Esau and Jacob. Esau, (whose name means "hairy") represents the state of a human in the first birth. Esau sells his birthright for a bowl of stew, (representing the lust of the flesh). Jacob, (whose name means "one who supplants"), who listens to and obeys the instructions of his mother, proves that he will do anything to obtain the birthright for himself. Just as we are taught in the NT to overcome our flesh to obtain salvation.

Whether or not there is evidence that a physical bloodline actually exists, I couldn't say. But I think the spiritual aspect is an important consideration.

That's very interesting! I never thought of it like that.

Again - as I said....if you believe that scripture is the word of God, then you and I have no table to meet at.
I'm really not interested in playing games and trying to convert anyone to my way of thinking. I think that you and I are coming from two completely different schools.

Who is Jesus? He is the Light which lightens all men who are born into the world. He is the Christ - in me - the hope of glory.

Jesus is my Teacher. And, as He said....His sheep know His voice.



Yes - the kingdom is within. To enter the kingdom, one must go within. In the name of Jesus Christ. And then listen....listen....listen - and obey what you hear.

The sheep follow the voice of the Shepherd.



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How can I know you follow the same "Jesus" that I do? He is not subjective, you know. And your teaching espouses that He is.

If you don't mind, I'd like to share this link with you. I hope you read through it....i believe it will change how you look at Him, and how you view His eternal Word.

If it does not, then I have to believe there some serious forces at work over you and it then becomes a matter between you and the Most High Elohim...


[link to www.jhshumaker.info]


First of all, I am not teaching - merely describing my faith. I've not been appointed as anyone's teacher and so can only share what I think and feel along with everyone else.

Secondly - thanks for the link. I'll read through it and post back, if you'd like........

Shut the fuck up Ape, Your the only fucking idiot around here. Dont you have a fucking convenience store to go rob???? Or 10 ugly waste of space bastard kids to go take care of!!!!

jewish people are the Serpents Seed. They spun the book around to make themselves out to be the good guys, it's only obvious.

Actually this could very much be true also. People do think the jewish people are the good guys but I dont know anymore.

Again - as I said....if you believe that scripture is the word of God, then you and I have no table to meet at.
I'm really not interested in playing games and trying to convert anyone to my way of thinking. I think that you and I are coming from two completely different schools.

Who is Jesus? He is the Light which lightens all men who are born into the world. He is the Christ - in me - the hope of glory.

Jesus is my Teacher. And, as He said....His sheep know His voice.



Yes - the kingdom is within. To enter the kingdom, one must go within. In the name of Jesus Christ. And then listen....listen....listen - and obey what you hear.

The sheep follow the voice of the Shepherd.



** not sure what is up with the quote feature

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How can I know you follow the same "Jesus" that I do? He is not subjective, you know. And your teaching espouses that He is.

If you don't mind, I'd like to share this link with you. I hope you read through it....i believe it will change how you look at Him, and how you view His eternal Word.

If it does not, then I have to believe there some serious forces at work over you and it then becomes a matter between you and the Most High Elohim...


[link to www.jhshumaker.info]


BTW - What have I said to make you think I view Jesus as "subjective?"

Word.

OK I'll post it again... I love the bible, and read it frequently.

I hate abuses in the church system. I DO NOT support the weird rolling, barking, or any other strange manifestation.

Also these things do NOT subtract from my point of few. Trying to associate that with me, is a weak way of trying to invalidate my point.

So in a lot of ways we are saying the same thing. Yet in another way we are on opposite ends of a debate.

I am saying that WE must come to understand that the bible has not always existed, man has not always been able to read. The same is true today. Many could not and even now many can not read.

Jesus speaks of hearing, not reading.

The word was spoken before it was ever written. The disciples were illiterate men.

So who or what is it that reaches a mans heart, when they come to Christ? Jesus says "No man can come to me unless the father draws him"...This whole process is a spirit thing.

Many things in scripture are unclear. We know we don't have all of Paul's writings. Some things have to be looked at as if reading between the lines.

For EX: Paul speaks about "A MAN" (in reality himself), who saw things and heard things unlawful for man. And that he experienced visions 3 times of the third heaven. The result was a thorn in the flesh, to keep him from spiritual pride. I do not believe it was a physical ailment, I believe Paul struggled with a habitual sin, in his life. Thus he wrote of the conflict he had, in Romans 6-8. God's reply to Paul was "My grace is sufficient"




The true church thrived in the middle ages as families huddled around a well read dog eared illegal copy of often one book which was secretly shared amongst fellow believers.

The Spirit brings the Word ALIVE and leads us to God's interpretation. That is "hearing", isn't it? "Hearing" means to understand the Word through God's Spirit testifying with Our Spirit.

Bibles are passed around families in China today. When Jesus healed the deaf it wasn't so that they could physically hear the spoken Word, it meant the same thing as Him curing a blind person so that they could see.

So they could understand His Word. In His day, our NT was the spoken word. Today it is the written word.


Being led by the "Spirit" is the sole mantra of many churches. But with no foundation or even encouragement of scripture study, I'd venture to ask "whose Spirit" may they be following?

The spirit is causing many to drop and writhe in the aisle floors and join Christian militias. Is this the Spirit of God or something else?

We are only suffering thousands of denominations because people do not do as Jesus asked.

OK I'll post it again... I love the bible, and read it frequently.

I hate abuses in the church system. I DO NOT support the weird rolling, barking, or any other strange manifestation.

Also these things do NOT subtract from my point of few. Trying to associate that with me, is a weak way of trying to invalidate my point.

So in a lot of ways we are saying the same thing. Yet in another way we are on opposite ends of a debate.

I am saying that WE must come to understand that the bible has not always existed, man has not always been able to read. The same is true today. Many could not and even now many can not read.

Jesus speaks of hearing, not reading.

The word was spoken before it was ever written. The disciples were illiterate men.

So who or what is it that reaches a mans heart, when they come to Christ? Jesus says "No man can come to me unless the father draws him"...This whole process is a spirit thing.

Many things in scripture are unclear. We know we don't have all of Paul's writings. Some things have to be looked at as if reading between the lines.

For EX: Paul speaks about "A MAN" (in reality himself), who saw things and heard things unlawful for man. And that he experienced visions 3 times of the third heaven. The result was a thorn in the flesh, to keep him from spiritual pride. I do not believe it was a physical ailment, I believe Paul struggled with a habitual sin, in his life. Thus he wrote of the conflict he had, in Romans 6-8. God's reply to Paul was "My grace is sufficient"


All of this makes me think, Satan uses everything to deceive. He even uses the scriptures. Jesus says The sower soweth the word, he also says the devil sows seed.

Since sheep "HEAR" and others do not hear, how is their religion formed? I have an opinion...

First off let me say, I love the scriptures, I think they are from God, and are truth, this truth, is revealed by the author, and the author is to be known. The truth is within the text, explained by the same one who wrote it, if we interpret it; we end up with a private interpretation. The author is greater than the book, yet that doesn't diminish the book, or the truth that it contains.

Today many know the bible, but have never had God become real to them. Most people have never had God make himself known to them even through a beautiful sunset. To most God is just history, or he is way off in space somewhere. The importance is not in experiences, but instead experiencing God. I contend, you have to experienced God. Possibly he opens the scriptures to you, and makes them come alive; they became a "word" of God to you.

It would be like you and I having coffee everyday together, sharing life and all things included. We would age together and become deep friends. We may never have a spiritual experience, but we would definitely experience each other, as Moses experienced God at the tent, when Miriam and Aron spoke against Moses, and God spoke about how He and Moses were friends. Moses experienced God. God was experienced by everyone we read about in the OT and the NT.

You know the parable of the sower, the seeds sown by Jesus, and the seeds sown by the Devil. Those seeds manifest themselves for what they really are. These are people, could be religious, like the pharisees, who were called children of the devil by Jesus. They may be the nicest, sweetest people, but what seed are they of?

I fear that the so-called church, the large visible body that meets on the corner of every city in America is missing God. There are many within this so-called visible church (though fewer in number) that truly belong to Jesus, these are the invisible church. From my point of view, the visible church has sprung up not from experiencing God, but from its exposure to the bible "The Scriptures", but this is not necessarily so, of the invisible church "The Ecklesia".

For example most people throughout history couldn't read, we had no printing presses, and when printed most people couldn't afford the bible, this is seen during the dark ages, yet the ecklesia thrived. How? It wasn't because they had a bible; it was because God was real and made himself known to them. Possibly through someone who had a bible, but probably not.

Brother Lawrence / Laubach; in his book practicing the presence; makes the claim that God became real to him, by seeing a tree losing it leaves, knowing life would again come to the tree the following year.

Here forgive me.... Let me expound more and just be open, even though we don't know each other, possibly we can glean from one another as two who see the forest from different angles?

Could it be, that True and False Christianity...Are both produced by the Bible. Everything is about contrast (light, dark, evil, and good), or it's to express God's glory, and his many attributes...God even created evil for this purposes.

The contrast in Christianity is the true church, and the false church. The invisible ecklesia -vs- the large visible body of people in every church, on every corner. The wheat, and the chaff or tare. The good seed and the bad seed. The Pharisee, and Jesus, sheep and Goats, Light and darkness.

Today is a replay of the life of Jesus in his body singular (the one that died on the cross); now this body "His Body" is plural, many membered...The same prosecutions, torments, dying, will happen in us as it did in him. Now the Pharisees are the religious of today. True Christianity and false Christianity, is so close, to the real church, the real walk, the real life...So close that it could even fool the elect, if that were possible....

So how does God establish the tare, this large so-called church. Do we see it throughout time? Yes, and it all started with two trees. The tree of life, and the tree of knowledge. We see the essence of these two trees, in many forms. One is in the visible church, and the invisible church, the wheat and tare.

The large visible church exists and is sustained by the visible, tangible, written word (The Bible). They find themselves at home with the text, they can control it, they build laws, rules, religious rituals, and doctrines. By this same knowledge they also remove God, who is Spirit, out of their midst, issues of control, a form of religion, and rules, that denies the power thereof. There is no body ministry, led of God's Spirit.

Do you think this would all be obvious, and plainly visible, or only visible to us by discernment? It had to be hidden, even from those who were in the midst of it, or else they would not have participated. Both sides, real and false are hidden, even from themselves. If not hidden, you couldn't get anyone to participate in this plan of God.

I'm not against these people; most are genuine, nice, sweet people. But we are discussing truth here. Now God is revealing these things to us, and getting ready to reveal us to each other, to reveal the true church to herself, to reveal the false church to the true.

While most of the members of both groups are wonderful people and well intentioned, the visible false church, is still like the Pharisees of old. They search the scriptures daily, but won't come to Christ, that they might have life. In fact they were never destined to life, this is what the scriptures say, the body / the ecklesia / the invisible church has life, they were destined to life, from the beginning.

The true body, the ecklesia exist by "the word", they know a hidden walk, they know the masters voice. This has got to be the common denominator throughout time, since many could not read, and the few that could read, didn't have a copy of the bible. Yet the Ecklesia flourished, even in the dark ages, and in countries that never allowed sacred texts, like China, and Russia...

Today both flourish, and this thing called church, or churchianity, has said to all, we represent God. But they do not, and God is getting ready to show this world, his true church, the ecklesia....God's mercy, and the world demand such an event, to rid God, of the stain of falsehood. Whether that be TV preachers, or even all the pain caused to so many in the name of God by so-called Christianity, which was NOT Christianity, but instead, it was this false church the large, visible church, this system.

God is separating HIS people "The Ecclesia from this thing called church, "churchianity". He is building his kingdom, it is on the inside. That is what Jesus says.

There is no way for light and darkness to fellowship together and there is NO way all those people in all these churches are truly born again via an encounter with Christ. That encounter must take place...We must experience God.

So there is no way they can fellowship with you, or you with them, if you are part of that invisible "REAL" church, for what fellowship does light have with darkness. You might as well go to a Safeway store and try and "do church" with all the people there, it will not work.

Remember Jesus says "my sheep hear my voice", and man shall not live by bread alone, the word of the Lord came unto, peter rise and eat, ETC. You see what I mean? "The word of the Lord" via "The scriptures" can become a fresh word to you, but, we can not use the terms "The word" and "the bible" interchangeably.

The point I'm making is, there is a lot written in the bible about hearing, hardly anything about reading. Everything written in the bible was spoken before it was written. Genesis was spoken, and then written by Moses.

We must come to a common denominator, for people to receive Christ, to hear the message, or to experience Christianity, and it cannot be the bible, even though God has used the scriptures to do so on occasion. Still I love the scriptures, and they are true, they are God inspired. They have just been elevated to a position by this false church, where they have taken the place of God.

Also to express my point, do this: Every place in the scriptures where it says, "the word" or "the word came unto" replace every instance with "The bible"....It just will not make sense...

As far as people hearing "The word" vs studying "The scriptures" I see a big difference between the two. One is heard, one is read. Many can read, few can hear. One is always spoken, and one is written, but can be made alive to you, and become a spoken word. God also speaks apart from the scriptures, remember God spoke to Adam and Moses before there was a written bible.

Thus we have interchanged the two, elevating "The bible" above God, and the leading of the Spirit, and we have placed the bible above "The Word"...

I wonder, could we say that we love the scriptures, and that they are inspired, but God never meant for us to live by them, nor the Jewish people the Torah. But instead by the Spirit / the word / His breath...His words of promise, leading us into all truth?

We have two types of church. Those led by the Spirit, and those seeing and leaning only on "The book". I love the scriptures, and I have several bibles. BUT we must not elevate the bible above God, and I'm afraid that is what many churches (people) have done.

The "Word" and "The bible" are not one and the same...The common denominator throughout time Has been God reaching out to man, possibly by a sunset, or a person who was "LED" of the spirit to witnesses to you, or God speaks to you, but God has not, at all times used the bible. Of course there are times that the Spirit moves someone, through the use of Scripture, but that is not my point.

What do we say of the first 3000 years of man, until Moses wrote the Torah, where was God? He was doing what he has always done, personally interacting with man.

The faith we have is more than intellectual knowledge, it IS LIFE...Two trees were in the garden; today we face that same thing? "Knowledge" OR "Life"...

Not reading the whole thread, then making a statement.

Yes , Eth Ha Adam seed line did NOT get corrupted like the Naphal were trying to do in Gen. 6:2. and also Gen. 14:5.

So you are right in that issue.
And Yes, God made us with DNA and man now has caught up to that truth and we can see in the story in the manuscripts that the word "Curve" was being used which the word "rib" was placed in the King James bible.
And your words that they carry all DNA stains that created all races, is bogus and I have spoken to many who are in the field of this. Adam and Eve did not carry all DNA strains for all races. Not one person on this planet can prove what you said, not one. We can hear "theories about it, but theories are not fact."
And sorry, your mistaken.

The object of the seedline of Satan is to keep themselves hidden. Did not Cain tell God that if anyone would find him they would kill him? And it is not just the murder part either a murder revenge.

So God tells Cain, if anyone finds you they will themselves have problems.
So why? Why does God have to say that to Cain.
And if your thoughts are so correct, where did Cain get his wife, and mean there were years passed after Cain go his wife that Seth was born. Right?

So help us out , or should I even suggest a thing , since I know how old wine bottles work.
Funny too, the Word says that in the end the wise will know the season. And they do. The rest want to put you to sleep.

My bible tells of the latter day sealing, and it is a special even which keep them from falling into the trap of Satan and his tares.
Question for ya..

Before I turned my life over to the Lord, was I , you and anyone else a tare before I came to the Lord. And if you say yes, I know your a "MOODY" doctrine believer and I know what your defense will be in any debate. Been there and done that many times.

So tell us all how you see the "tares".

blessings for what it worth.

Do I feel a thread trashing coming on? Sniff Sniff! lol
blessings

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Romans 9:11 to 13.
Read that then comment on verse 13 for us.

How can God hate someone before they are placed in the womb unless they had done something to make God hate them in the first place.
I mean, come on folks, pre-destine is not reincarnation.

Many teach with supposition and do not know it. That is their thoughts.
My bible tells me this in Isaiah 29:13, 14 and pay attention to verse 15. A WOE is important when we read them in the bible.
What is the object and subject of those scriptures ?
Listening to men will get you into trouble.
Listening to the teachings of the Word brings you out of that trouble.

Paul tells us many can't get out of the milk. He tells us to get the meat. Well the meat is the whole bible.
Then we have people say' just salvation, that is it". Truth, but not the complete truth.
I tell people to study for themselves so they can trim their fat or limbs that holds them down, that is the traditions of mens church systems.

And always, those traditional church systems tells you to listen to them. They love to keep you ignorant of the Word.
And that is how the deception is working and why I continue to quote Amos 8:11. Christ did not take that verse away from us just because we got saved. He changed not one thing in hearing what I think He is telling me.

Those of us receiving the latter day sealing know why the 5 churches fall.
Lack of knowledge.

blessings

I really think this is cool how you've outlined this. Great post!!

Good, but go do a study on the word "EAT". NOt the Eat of glp either. lol

Eat is a Hebraism, and it throws people off because again the translators had to do their best.

Go to all scriptures that have the word eat in them. You will begin to understand that eat does not mean in all cases as "eating some fruit".

Good going tho, I like people who get into this.
One of the best things about you Thresh...
blessings

Nope you made a huge error.

Christ told us to learn the parable of the fig tree.
Then when you get to Jer. 23 you see two types of figs, good ones and bad ones.


I wonder who the bad ones are? lol

And there is more verse's in the bible that help us understand the fullness of the Word.
Again, Christ teaches on three levels.
If you read the Word with your flesh eye only, you
will miss many truths. (John 6:63)Read with that eye.

blessings

By your words, you cut off all the teachings of Christ and only use on thing to state your opinion.
Help me understand why I should listen to your words when Christ told me to listen, and read?

help me.
blessings

It's clearly written by their fruits you shall know them. Today the people of this world are the pre-adamic races, the adamites, the Israelites, and Yes the Serpent Seed Kenite's and a mixture of all of them too. Why do you think Indians are Hindu, Asians Buddhist, Arabs muslim, Blacks are Voodooists, and those are their Original Religions. White's are Israelites! If you dont wanna believe it too bad, cause it is true.

You all should keep in mind that regardless of whether your part of the serpent seed line or if your God's chosen people you can still lost salvation by sinning so far away and staying far away from God. Just because you know God doesnt mean you will be saved. Look at the israelites in the past. They knew God, but when they started sinning and thinking it was okay because they know the true what did God do with them? You can be born of the serpent seed line and still be looked upon in a higher regard to God than someone who is not depending on how you live your life.

With that being said, now.... If Eve had sex with Satan and if Eve was a white woman and if Cain is half serpent blood and half white due to eve then that must mean the serpent seed line is half white.

I believe the modern day jewish people of today who claim to be jewish people but are not (written in revelations) originally had nothing to do with the serpent seed line. Because of race mixing and its been thousands of years Im sure some of them have serpent blood in them but over all originally they had nothing to do with the serpent seed line I think they are being used and manipulated by the real serpent seed line, who have white blood and serpent blood in them.

jewish people being used and Manipulated???? You've got to be kidding me, they control and run everything. Since when is the person who is in control being manipulated? It works the other way around the one who runs things usually manipulates and controls. And the one under the control of others is usually manipulated.

If what your saying is true then that means the fake jewish people of today are related to whites, half white, because they came from eve who is a white woman. True or false?

If you are a christian, why are you giveing any time for this unbiblical theory anyway, Scripture Alone!! If its not in the Bible chuck it out, dont even waist your or my time their are far more important things to do....We are warned about this doughtfull ....in 1 timothy

Yes, the tribe of Dan kept mixing with Satan' seed line. It ticked God off. And when we read the Word that is why Dan is not mentioned in one place with the rest of the tribes,but in the millennium which you will see in the book of Ezekiel that they get their act together and stop playing with the serpents. Eze. 40 to the end is all about the millennium.
Read Rev. chapter 7 and count the tribes. Dan is missing in that latter day sealing.
Again, then in Ezekiel you see the tribe of Dan coming back into the vine!
blessings

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