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Re: Giants?
I think you are trying to say that the Nephilim were giants and referred to as those making it with the daughters of men? I don't agree with that. They may have been giants but Genesis is speaking of two different beings.

Genesis 6: says: That the sons of the nobles saw the daughters of man when they were beautifying themselves, and they took for themselves wives from whomever they chose.

Something kings tended to do in those days. There is also nothing there to indicate that these were giants...

 Quoting: Shalhevet



Except this:

1.Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Genesis 6:3-5 (in Context) Genesis 6 (Whole Chapter)
2.Numbers 13:33
And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Numbers 13:32-33 (in Context) Numbers 13 (Whole Chapter)
3.Deuteronomy 2:11
Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites called them Emims.
Deuteronomy 2:10-12 (in Context) Deuteronomy 2 (Whole Chapter)
4.Deuteronomy 2:20
(That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;
Deuteronomy 2:19-21 (in Context) Deuteronomy 2 (Whole Chapter)
5.Deuteronomy 3:11
For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
Deuteronomy 3:10-12 (in Context) Deuteronomy 3 (Whole Chapter)
6.Deuteronomy 3:13
And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.
Deuteronomy 3:12-14 (in Context) Deuteronomy 3 (Whole Chapter)
7.Joshua 12:4
And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which was of the remnant of the giants, that dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei,
Joshua 12:3-5 (in Context) Joshua 12 (Whole Chapter)
8.Joshua 13:12
All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out.
Joshua 13:11-13 (in Context) Joshua 13 (Whole Chapter)
9.Joshua 15:8
And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward:
Joshua 15:7-9 (in Context) Joshua 15 (Whole Chapter)
10.Joshua 17:15
And Joshua answered them, If thou be a great people, then get thee up to the wood country, and cut down for thyself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the giants, if mount Ephraim be too narrow for thee.
Joshua 17:14-16 (in Context) Joshua 17 (Whole Chapter)
11.Joshua 18:16
And the border came down to the end of the mountain that lieth before the valley of the son of Hinnom, and which is in the valley of the giants on the north, and descended to the valley of Hinnom, to the side of Jebusi on the south, and descended to Enrogel,
Joshua 18:15-17 (in Context) Joshua 18 (Whole Chapter)
12.2 Samuel 21:16
And Ishbibenob, which was of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose spear weighed three hundred shekels of brass in weight, he being girded with a new sword, thought to have slain David.
2 Samuel 21:15-17 (in Context) 2 Samuel 21 (Whole Chapter)
13.2 Samuel 21:18
And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant.
2 Samuel 21:17-19 (in Context) 2 Samuel 21 (Whole Chapter)
14.2 Samuel 21:20
And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.
2 Samuel 21:19-21 (in Context) 2 Samuel 21 (Whole Chapter)
15.2 Samuel 21:22
These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.
2 Samuel 21:21-22 (in Context) 2 Samuel 21 (Whole Chapter)
16.1 Chronicles 20:4
And it came to pass after this, that there arose war at Gezer with the Philistines; at which time Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Sippai, that was of the children of the giant: and they were subdued.
1 Chronicles 20:3-5 (in Context) 1 Chronicles 20 (Whole Chapter)
17.1 Chronicles 20:6
And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot and he also was the son of the giant.
1 Chronicles 20:5-7 (in Context) 1 Chronicles 20 (Whole Chapter)
18.1 Chronicles 20:8
These were born unto the giant in Gath; and they fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.
1 Chronicles 20:7-8 (in Context) 1 Chronicles 20 (Whole Chapter)
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Re: Giants?
I think you are trying to say that the Nephilim were giants and referred to as those making it with the daughters of men? I don't agree with that. They may have been giants but Genesis is speaking of two different beings.

Genesis 6: says: That the sons of the nobles saw the daughters of man when they were beautifying themselves, and they took for themselves wives from whomever they chose.

Something kings tended to do in those days. There is also nothing there to indicate that these were giants...

 Quoting: Shalhevet



Except this:

1.Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Genesis 6:3-5 (in Context) Genesis 6 (Whole Chapter)
2.Numbers 13:33
And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Numbers 13:32-33 (in Context) Numbers 13 (Whole Chapter)
3.Deuteronomy 2:11
Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites called them Emims.
Deuteronomy 2:10-12 (in Context) Deuteronomy 2 (Whole Chapter)
4.Deuteronomy 2:20
(That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;
Deuteronomy 2:19-21 (in Context) Deuteronomy 2 (Whole Chapter)
5.Deuteronomy 3:11
For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
Deuteronomy 3:10-12 (in Context) Deuteronomy 3 (Whole Chapter)
6.Deuteronomy 3:13
And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.
Deuteronomy 3:12-14 (in Context) Deuteronomy 3 (Whole Chapter)
7.Joshua 12:4
And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which was of the remnant of the giants, that dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei,
Joshua 12:3-5 (in Context) Joshua 12 (Whole Chapter)
8.Joshua 13:12
All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out.
Joshua 13:11-13 (in Context) Joshua 13 (Whole Chapter)
9.Joshua 15:8
And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward:
Joshua 15:7-9 (in Context) Joshua 15 (Whole Chapter)
10.Joshua 17:15
And Joshua answered them, If thou be a great people, then get thee up to the wood country, and cut down for thyself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the giants, if mount Ephraim be too narrow for thee.
Joshua 17:14-16 (in Context) Joshua 17 (Whole Chapter)
11.Joshua 18:16
And the border came down to the end of the mountain that lieth before the valley of the son of Hinnom, and which is in the valley of the giants on the north, and descended to the valley of Hinnom, to the side of Jebusi on the south, and descended to Enrogel,
Joshua 18:15-17 (in Context) Joshua 18 (Whole Chapter)
12.2 Samuel 21:16
And Ishbibenob, which was of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose spear weighed three hundred shekels of brass in weight, he being girded with a new sword, thought to have slain David.
2 Samuel 21:15-17 (in Context) 2 Samuel 21 (Whole Chapter)
13.2 Samuel 21:18
And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant.
2 Samuel 21:17-19 (in Context) 2 Samuel 21 (Whole Chapter)
14.2 Samuel 21:20
And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.
2 Samuel 21:19-21 (in Context) 2 Samuel 21 (Whole Chapter)
15.2 Samuel 21:22
These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.
2 Samuel 21:21-22 (in Context) 2 Samuel 21 (Whole Chapter)
16.1 Chronicles 20:4
And it came to pass after this, that there arose war at Gezer with the Philistines; at which time Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Sippai, that was of the children of the giant: and they were subdued.
1 Chronicles 20:3-5 (in Context) 1 Chronicles 20 (Whole Chapter)
17.1 Chronicles 20:6
And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot and he also was the son of the giant.
1 Chronicles 20:5-7 (in Context) 1 Chronicles 20 (Whole Chapter)
18.1 Chronicles 20:8
These were born unto the giant in Gath; and they fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.
1 Chronicles 20:7-8 (in Context) 1 Chronicles 20 (Whole Chapter)
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 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


thank you for sorting this out for me.
saves me time to look it up againhf
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Re: Giants?
The bible claims that giants roamed the earth. Some people claim to have dug up huge bones. Could be fake but what of a giant 4ft foot print in solid rock? If giants this size did exist 200 Million yrs. ago, then the dinosaurs aren't as big in ratio as we think they were. They would actually be pet size to this guy. The guy in this video is definitely winded, could be from climbing or he is super excited.

I'm thinking that it is fake. Anyone have the same thought? 1dunno1
 Quoting: Shalhevet


It amazes me that people are so stupid to believe there wasn't giants. If i told you 50 foot lizards used to walk the earth and you never knew of fossiles you would laugh at me!!!

Of course "there were giants in those days". Whats more, folk tale tell of giants and all folk tales have an element of truth. Jack and the beanstalk, giants from the skies, eat humans, fee fi fo fum.

You would have to be a closed mimded moron to not realize there were indeed giants.
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I think it would all depend on what your understanding of a giant is. 12-15ft. Ok maybe, but this guy is claiming a 4ft foot print. Is it possible? I'm asking for opinions. You can pull off photo shop and alter pictures on the net. Why hasn't anyone produced these giant bones for a TV documentary? Maybe they have and I just missed it.
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Re: Giants?
I think you are trying to say that the Nephilim were giants and referred to as those making it with the daughters of men? I don't agree with that. They may have been giants but Genesis is speaking of two different beings.

Genesis 6: says: That the sons of the nobles saw the daughters of man when they were beautifying themselves, and they took for themselves wives from whomever they chose.

Something kings tended to do in those days. There is also nothing there to indicate that these were giants...

 Quoting: Shalhevet



Except this:

1.Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Genesis 6:3-5 (in Context) Genesis 6 (Whole Chapter)
2.Numbers 13:33
And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Numbers 13:32-33 (in Context) Numbers 13 (Whole Chapter)
3.Deuteronomy 2:11
Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites called them Emims.
Deuteronomy 2:10-12 (in Context) Deuteronomy 2 (Whole Chapter)
4.Deuteronomy 2:20
(That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;
Deuteronomy 2:19-21 (in Context) Deuteronomy 2 (Whole Chapter)
5.Deuteronomy 3:11
For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
Deuteronomy 3:10-12 (in Context) Deuteronomy 3 (Whole Chapter)
6.Deuteronomy 3:13
And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.
Deuteronomy 3:12-14 (in Context) Deuteronomy 3 (Whole Chapter)
7.Joshua 12:4
And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which was of the remnant of the giants, that dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei,
Joshua 12:3-5 (in Context) Joshua 12 (Whole Chapter)
8.Joshua 13:12
All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out.
Joshua 13:11-13 (in Context) Joshua 13 (Whole Chapter)
9.Joshua 15:8
And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward:
Joshua 15:7-9 (in Context) Joshua 15 (Whole Chapter)
10.Joshua 17:15
And Joshua answered them, If thou be a great people, then get thee up to the wood country, and cut down for thyself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the giants, if mount Ephraim be too narrow for thee.
Joshua 17:14-16 (in Context) Joshua 17 (Whole Chapter)
11.Joshua 18:16
And the border came down to the end of the mountain that lieth before the valley of the son of Hinnom, and which is in the valley of the giants on the north, and descended to the valley of Hinnom, to the side of Jebusi on the south, and descended to Enrogel,
Joshua 18:15-17 (in Context) Joshua 18 (Whole Chapter)
12.2 Samuel 21:16
And Ishbibenob, which was of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose spear weighed three hundred shekels of brass in weight, he being girded with a new sword, thought to have slain David.
2 Samuel 21:15-17 (in Context) 2 Samuel 21 (Whole Chapter)
13.2 Samuel 21:18
And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant.
2 Samuel 21:17-19 (in Context) 2 Samuel 21 (Whole Chapter)
14.2 Samuel 21:20
And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.
2 Samuel 21:19-21 (in Context) 2 Samuel 21 (Whole Chapter)
15.2 Samuel 21:22
These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.
2 Samuel 21:21-22 (in Context) 2 Samuel 21 (Whole Chapter)
16.1 Chronicles 20:4
And it came to pass after this, that there arose war at Gezer with the Philistines; at which time Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Sippai, that was of the children of the giant: and they were subdued.
1 Chronicles 20:3-5 (in Context) 1 Chronicles 20 (Whole Chapter)
17.1 Chronicles 20:6
And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot and he also was the son of the giant.
1 Chronicles 20:5-7 (in Context) 1 Chronicles 20 (Whole Chapter)
18.1 Chronicles 20:8
These were born unto the giant in Gath; and they fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.
1 Chronicles 20:7-8 (in Context) 1 Chronicles 20 (Whole Chapter)
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Re-read my post. I said that there is no indication in the Bible (Tanach-Hebrew bible) that indicates that the Nephilim were giants and referred to as those making it with the daughters of men.

Gen.6:
1. And it came to pass when man commenced to multiply upon the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them.
2. That the sons of the nobles saw the daughters of man when they were beautifying themselves, and they took for themselves wives from whomever they chose.

4. The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of the nobles would come to the daughters of man, and they would bear for them; they are the mighty men, who were of old, the men of renown.

This sentence separates the Nephilim from the sons of the nobles. The sons of nobles were not Nephilim.

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Last Edited by Shalhevet on 01/20/2012 04:23 PM





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