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Notice commercial passenger planes flying very low since CHEMTRAILS?

 
enki2012
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Notice commercial passenger planes flying very low since CHEMTRAILS?
I've noticed jumbo jets flying extremely low over last few months since the Chem-trails have intensified. I'm sure a passenger plane who's turbine's are sucking in Barium & Alum. is not a good thing, possibly the reason for their low flying? Anyone else see planes lower then before lately?
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I've noticed jumbo jets flying extremely low over last few months since the Chem-trails have intensified. I'm sure a passenger plane who's turbine's are sucking in Barium & Alum. is not a good thing, possibly the reason for their low flying? Anyone else see planes lower then before lately?
 Quoting: enki2012


Isn't the "cruising altitude" usually 35,000 feet? The last 2 flights I was on 4 months ago were at 31,000 ft and 28,000 ft.

Not sure if that has to do with chemtrails or maybe just the aircraft type? Interesting though....
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Re: Notice commercial passenger planes flying very low since CHEMTRAILS?
I've noticed jumbo jets flying extremely low over last few months since the Chem-trails have intensified. I'm sure a passenger plane who's turbine's are sucking in Barium & Alum. is not a good thing, possibly the reason for their low flying? Anyone else see planes lower then before lately?
 Quoting: enki2012


Isn't the "cruising altitude" usually 35,000 feet? The last 2 flights I was on 4 months ago were at 31,000 ft and 28,000 ft.

Not sure if that has to do with chemtrails or maybe just the aircraft type? Interesting though....
 Quoting: jilly23810


Thanks... Where I'm at we've been seeing planes lower and lower & I'm wonder what those chemicals are doing to the planes engines/turbine's..
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Re: Notice commercial passenger planes flying very low since CHEMTRAILS?
I've noticed jumbo jets flying extremely low over last few months since the Chem-trails have intensified. I'm sure a passenger plane who's turbine's are sucking in Barium & Alum. is not a good thing, possibly the reason for their low flying? Anyone else see planes lower then before lately?
 Quoting: enki2012


Isn't the "cruising altitude" usually 35,000 feet? The last 2 flights I was on 4 months ago were at 31,000 ft and 28,000 ft.

Not sure if that has to do with chemtrails or maybe just the aircraft type? Interesting though....
 Quoting: jilly23810


Thanks... Where I'm at we've been seeing planes lower and lower & I'm wonder what those chemicals are doing to the planes engines/turbine's..
 Quoting: enki2012


Well, I live in Michigan and the planes that I was on were in route to Arizona. Usually for a trip like that, you are on a bigger plane that usually flies higher. You may be on to something!!!
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Re: Notice commercial passenger planes flying very low since CHEMTRAILS?
I've noticed jumbo jets flying extremely low over last few months since the Chem-trails have intensified. I'm sure a passenger plane who's turbine's are sucking in Barium & Alum. is not a good thing, possibly the reason for their low flying? Anyone else see planes lower then before lately?
 Quoting: enki2012


Isn't the "cruising altitude" usually 35,000 feet? The last 2 flights I was on 4 months ago were at 31,000 ft and 28,000 ft.

Not sure if that has to do with chemtrails or maybe just the aircraft type? Interesting though....
 Quoting: jilly23810
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Re: Notice commercial passenger planes flying very low since CHEMTRAILS?
I've noticed jumbo jets flying extremely low over last few months since the Chem-trails have intensified. I'm sure a passenger plane who's turbine's are sucking in Barium & Alum. is not a good thing, possibly the reason for their low flying? Anyone else see planes lower then before lately?
 Quoting: enki2012


It has to do with weather, type of aircraft and traffic.

For example, when a route at 34.000 gives you a 70 kts headwind while 29.000 feet gives you a 20 kts headwind, it is logical to choose the lower altitude.

Sometimes the higher airways are all taken so an aircraft must fly lower.

Large aircraft like the Boeing 747 are so heavy on departure they can't climb straight out to their cruising altitude. Instead they use a step climb. When they have burnt some fuel and are lighter, they can climb a bit higher.
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Re: Notice commercial passenger planes flying very low since CHEMTRAILS?
I live in a farming area, alot of farms & very quiet dark nights. But I have noticed that in the past 2 yrs planes that I normally see so high that I can't make out any detail are flying so freaken low, I can read the airline comapany and sometimes the tail #. I'm not close within 2 hrs from any airport so this is a cruising plane, not just taking off. I'm wondering if the increase solar activity has increased cabin radiation or if it is in fact the metals in the chemtrails are screwing up the engines. I easily see that happening.. I'm flying in 13days, I'll def. hit the captain up with that question.
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Re: Notice commercial passenger planes flying very low since CHEMTRAILS?
Isn't the "cruising altitude" usually 35,000 feet? The last 2 flights I was on 4 months ago were at 31,000 ft and 28,000 ft.

Not sure if that has to do with chemtrails or maybe just the aircraft type? Interesting though....
 Quoting: jilly23810


Can't have everyone at 35,000. Basically, eastbound flights are at odd flight levels, west bound are even. 1000 ft intervals. This provides vertical separation helping prevent head ons.

28,000 is a pretty common.

Was Air Force and worked in ATC (only shortly lol) then retrained to airfield management. Filed many flight plans
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Re: Notice commercial passenger planes flying very low since CHEMTRAILS?
I noticed this and I am an avid researcher into all things chemtrail related because they are getting worse by the second in my parts.

I found an article from a year or two ago that discussed changing regulations due to higher air traffic - you know how the media works - slowly integrating things into society - that's exactly what this article was doing.

I can tel lyou this - they are so loud and obviously lower around here. I never noticed them before - now I can see planes everywhere in the sky at all times. The only ones at significantly higher altitudes appear to be the chem planes.

I'm sure there are regular flights at high altitudes still, especially in mid flight - but there are far more flying lower than ever before.

I will try to find the article.
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yes they have been flying lower since 2008, and i lived in the same house for 7 yrs and never saw a plane, i live 30 mins away from the airport, they fly so low they almost touch my roof, shack my house and mypictures are crooked everyday and i have to straighten them out, the reason i believe is that they have electromagnetic waves that are hitting us laymans all over to keep us lathorigic, depressed, anxiety, anger, heart attaks, cancer, these electromagnetic waves are so dangers that you can't see them but they go through the air and are hitting us humans, the best way i describe it is like a gas leak you can't see it but it can kill you just like electronic magnetic waves, it has to be stoppe,
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Re: Notice commercial passenger planes flying very low since CHEMTRAILS?
They have been messing with our ionosphere and stratosphere ozone layers etc. etc. It's probably made the higher altitudes a lot more violent to navigate those large flying metal coffins.

Not to mention all the geoengineering taking place, unfriendly skies indeed. I remember Scott "Bug" talking about his post glacial rebound effect and discussing air travel will be very violent, his term was space quakes that can and will knock planes from the sky or make them drop many thousands of feet in seconds.

Needless to say I leave flying to the birds.
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Re: Notice commercial passenger planes flying very low since CHEMTRAILS?
They are not flying low because of chemtrails. It is the radiation from solar storms that forces them down, which seem to occure the same time chemtrails are pushed out.
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Re: Notice commercial passenger planes flying very low since CHEMTRAILS?
I definitely noticed an increase and so I came upon this trying to see if anyone else noticed.. Definitely a lot more.. I have live in same place for 28 years and I have never been able to see these jumbo passenger jets so well.. And heat them like this... And it's not like one a day or anything.. Its quite frequent... I also noticed the higher planes tend to be leaving trails..
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Re: Notice commercial passenger planes flying very low since CHEMTRAILS?
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I noticed this and I am an avid researcher into all things chemtrail related because they are getting worse by the second in my parts.

I found an article from a year or two ago that discussed changing regulations due to higher air traffic - you know
how the media works - slowly integrating things into society - that's exactly what this article was doing.

I can tell you this - they are so loud and obviously lower around here. I never noticed them before - now I can see planes everywhere in the sky at all times. The only ones at significantly higher altitudes appear to be the chem planes.

I'm sure there are regular flights at high altitudes still, especially in mid flight - but there are far more flying lower than ever before.

I will try to find the article.


My reply:
I've chosen your post to reply-at because your research-here sounds interesting to me. Since I've been noticing the low-flying planes and discovering the details of chemtrails, I've wondered if the two were related.
In my area, Western PA, at least since late 2013 commercial aircraft frequently fly so low that the image of the plane is about 2-1/2 times what it used to be and the airliners' roars sound as loud as military jets--;
The one article that I had read earlier about this said that the reason that airlines had begun doing this is that on sufficiently short flights, the extra climbing to reach the normal range of altitudes was no longer offset by the amount of fuel that would have been saved while at that shorter full-height cruising altitude. (The reason that they only "started" doing this "lately," was because back when fuel-prices were not as high, flying high enough not to upset people on the ground had remained feasible).
Although I could not find that article today, the Wikipedia article closest focused on this, "Flight Planning," 4.2 Fuel calculation considerations, the bulleted paragraph labelled, "Routes and Flight Levels--;"
reiterates this argument, to quote directly,
"Cruising at a higher flight level generally requires less fuel than at a lower flight level, but extra climb fuel may be needed to get up to the higher flight level (it is this extra climb fuel and the different fuel consumption rate which cause discontinuities)."
(The reader would assume that the term "discontinuities," might refer to flights on which the plane was not permitted to climb to a "typical commercial" height.)
Although I cannot find my original article on this, I remember certain "language," from within it that made me wonder if they were really sharing "all" the pertinent facts, or whether they weren't compromising "safety," with such low flight altitudes, which make them look like they might hit high buildings or the like.

As I said earlier, after I learned more about the Chemtrail phenomenon, I started to wonder whether there were any connection between that and these low-flying airliners. I hope that what I've provided here might provide you with any more useful clues, unless what you already know about this prompts you to "debunk" "this" information. Thank you.
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Re: Notice commercial passenger planes flying very low since CHEMTRAILS?
This is a little related, Federal Register posted notice of changes to 2 flight routes for commercial planes for the northeast today.
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Re: Notice commercial passenger planes flying very low since CHEMTRAILS?
OP make sure to get a doctors note for your p100 full face-mask you ought to wear for your flight if you do care for your health.
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Re: Notice commercial passenger planes flying very low since CHEMTRAILS?
In Galveston I saw a small passenger jet very, very low flying along the coast line going east. I thought it very strange.
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Re: Notice commercial passenger planes flying very low since CHEMTRAILS?
I've noticed jumbo jets flying extremely low over last few months since the Chem-trails have intensified. I'm sure a passenger plane who's turbine's are sucking in Barium & Alum. is not a good thing, possibly the reason for their low flying? Anyone else see planes lower then before lately?
 Quoting: enki2012


It has to do with weather, type of aircraft and traffic.

For example, when a route at 34.000 gives you a 70 kts headwind while 29.000 feet gives you a 20 kts headwind, it is logical to choose the lower altitude.

Sometimes the higher airways are all taken so an aircraft must fly lower.

Large aircraft like the Boeing 747 are so heavy on departure they can't climb straight out to their cruising altitude. Instead they use a step climb. When they have burnt some fuel and are lighter, they can climb a bit higher.
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These people aren't interested in your facts and knowledge!

They prefer the paranoid fantasy.
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"Hold my cat while I bring in my tomato plant. That chemtrail looks like an earthquake chemtrail"

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Re: Notice commercial passenger planes flying very low since CHEMTRAILS?
I am the head of the FAA (on holiday in lovely Ireland ATM), and I can tell you chem-trails are NOT real.

I repeat, NOT real.

And if you continue to spread vicious rumors, I will personally ring Santa, and you will all miss out on presents this year.

I am not kidding.

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