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Baltic Dry Index....COLLAPSING

 
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Baltic Dry Index....COLLAPSING
Check out the chart...

[link to www.bloomberg.com]

Not good folks.

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01/11/2012 07:30 PM
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Re: Baltic Dry Index....COLLAPSING
BDI is now where it was in August... and we were still here in August.

This thing is always taking a dive and nothing happens.
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01/11/2012 07:43 PM
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Looking at the 5y chart I agree with the above. However if it stays down then that could prove to be rather bad. Although if the cost savings are passed on to the consumers that could have benefits.

"The index provides "an assessment of the price of moving the major raw materials by sea. Taking in 26 shipping routes measured on a timecharter and voyage basis, the index covers Handymax, Panamax, and Capesize dry bulk carriers carrying a range of commodities including coal, iron ore and grain."
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01/11/2012 07:45 PM
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op where is the baltic?
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01/11/2012 07:45 PM
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BDItards...

Learn a thing: NOTHING happens while the BDI is over 900 points.

Only if it drops bellow 900 points you may start to be concerned. Otherwise, shut up and go to sleep.
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01/11/2012 07:50 PM
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BDItards...

Learn a thing: NOTHING happens while the BDI is over 900 points.

Only if it drops bellow 900 points you may start to be concerned. Otherwise, shut up and go to sleep.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8684292


Sounds like maybe you need a nap
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01/11/2012 07:58 PM
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Re: Baltic Dry Index....COLLAPSING
Hey guys, check this out:

[link to www.ship.gr]


The mark of the beast is everywhere...

The multi-year bottom of the Baltic Dry Index during this recession was on December 5, 2008, at 663 points.

Onde day before, on December 4, it closed at 666 points.

On December 8, 2008, it rebounded to 671 points, and never went lower than 666 again...

It was under 666 just for ONE DAY, and just 3 points.
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01/11/2012 08:02 PM
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Re: Baltic Dry Index....COLLAPSING
OP sees this as early signs of a "disruptions".
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01/11/2012 08:05 PM
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We should be looking at the other commodities not just Oil
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Re: Baltic Dry Index....COLLAPSING
OP sees this as early signs of a "disruptions".
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yes...

Keep an eye on it...it went down over 5% and 65 pts today alone...it could drop under 1000 pretty soon...and then it's time to really watch.

It is true that it has dipped like this and nothing happened...i remember watching it 1 year ago and then it went back up...this drop is more dramatic though.
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01/11/2012 08:13 PM
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OP sees this as early signs of a "disruptions".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1468385


yes...

Keep an eye on it...it went down over 5% and 65 pts today alone...it could drop under 1000 pretty soon...and then it's time to really watch.

It is true that it has dipped like this and nothing happened...i remember watching it 1 year ago and then it went back up...this drop is more dramatic though.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1707881


Nothing happened then because we didn't have Navel War prices to be worried about.
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01/11/2012 08:16 PM
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BDItards...

Learn a thing: NOTHING happens while the BDI is over 900 points.

Only if it drops bellow 900 points you may start to be concerned. Otherwise, shut up and go to sleep.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8684292


You are spot on!!!
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01/11/2012 08:22 PM
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just another lagging indicator... jus.sayin'....s226
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01/11/2012 08:25 PM
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Re: Baltic Dry Index....COLLAPSING
Check out the chart...

[link to www.bloomberg.com]

Not good folks.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1707881


compare the 1 yr table. for the same time last year, the current volume is down about 50% from last year.

doom folks.
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01/11/2012 08:25 PM
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Re: Baltic Dry Index....COLLAPSING
Move the chart to a 5 Year timeline.

That makes it absolutely clear that we've been in a worldwide depression for 3 years that hasn't gotten one bit better.
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01/11/2012 08:32 PM
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Re: Baltic Dry Index....COLLAPSING
Hey guys, check this out:

[link to www.ship.gr]


The mark of the beast is everywhere...

The multi-year bottom of the Baltic Dry Index during this recession was on December 5, 2008, at 663 points.

Onde day before, on December 4, it closed at 666 points.

On December 8, 2008, it rebounded to 671 points, and never went lower than 666 again...

It was under 666 just for ONE DAY, and just 3 points.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8684292


Good grief I never realised that. If I remember rightly the S&P 500 US stock index did the same thing. Closed at 666 during the GFC and never went lower.....it's extraordinary isn't it?

There has to be a message in there somewhere eh?

Bugsy says:

"I told you there is weird stuff going on mum"
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01/11/2012 08:33 PM
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just another lagging indicator... jus.sayin'....s226
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4383285


BDI is a leading indicator.It is a daily average of shipping costs for RAW materials(bulk cargo,not shipping container cargo).

Just and FYI
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01/11/2012 09:31 PM
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The BDI often drops in early winter ... so I wouldn't worry YET. IF it breaks BELOW the low for 2011, 1043, THEN I would start to worry since it would indicate a slowing economy (world ... NOT US).

Already Europe is showing signs of potentially falling into a recession ... which of course would both drive the index lower AND probably pull the rest of the industrialized world, ex China, with it. (which may be what is driving the index down at the moment)

China's economy is clearly in a "Bubble", one driven by real estate and huge UNeconomic infrastructure build outs. When the Chinese bubble bursts is anybody's guess, it could actually continue forward for several more years, or could burst later this spring. It all depends upon how the Chinese Government and Central Bank deal with their bubble. fwiw Copper imports into China, which is the second key industrial commodity after oil, are at peak - never before seen - levels, which indicates that NO serious slowdown is yet occuring in China.

The Baltic Dry Index, along with the LIBOR rate (London Interbank Lending Rate) are two of the key economic indicators that anyone doing modeling should pay attention to. One indicates REAL economic activity (along with the pricing of Copper), while the other indicates "stress" in the world's banking system.
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01/11/2012 09:57 PM
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Re: Baltic Dry Index....COLLAPSING
It represents the downturn in China.
An investment opportunity in the not too
distant future.
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01/12/2012 09:27 AM
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down almost 90 today...wow!
:martiallaw4:

“The bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision of what is before them, glory and danger alike, and yet notwithstanding, go out to meet it.”

Isaiah 43:2
When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and when you pass through the rivers, they will not sweep over you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned; the flames will not set you ablaze.

Ecclesiastes 12:14
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. ~9/11 Was An Inside Job!
Nickadeemus

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01/12/2012 09:37 AM
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down almost 90 today...wow!
 Quoting: MARTIAL LAW



Good to see you're alive. We were worried you had gone to the dark side. Effing good to see you man.

Nick®
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MARTIAL LAW

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01/12/2012 09:44 AM
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down almost 90 today...wow!
 Quoting: MARTIAL LAW



Good to see you're alive. We were worried you had gone to the dark side. Effing good to see you man.

Nick®
nickmubi
 Quoting: Nickadeemus


Haha! Dark side? NEVER...just took a little break!

cheers
:martiallaw4:

“The bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision of what is before them, glory and danger alike, and yet notwithstanding, go out to meet it.”

Isaiah 43:2
When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and when you pass through the rivers, they will not sweep over you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned; the flames will not set you ablaze.

Ecclesiastes 12:14
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. ~9/11 Was An Inside Job!
Nickadeemus

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01/12/2012 09:53 AM
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Re: Baltic Dry Index....COLLAPSING
down almost 90 today...wow!
 Quoting: MARTIAL LAW



Good to see you're alive. We were worried you had gone to the dark side. Effing good to see you man.

Nick®

 Quoting: Nickadeemus


Haha! Dark side? NEVER...just took a little break!

cheers
 Quoting: MARTIAL LAW


Smart man. Those are necessary every once in a while. There are so many special things around this world and so little time, "life" has to be more than just a screen. I just took a little hiatus myself. Of course, I almost ended up like Cane in Alien, but a break it was none-the-less. Salude brother and welcome back.

Nick®
cheers
Pure Life; Get it on...
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01/12/2012 09:54 AM

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Move the chart to a 5 Year timeline.

That makes it absolutely clear that we've been in a worldwide depression for 3 years that hasn't gotten one bit better.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6297881


It looks the the patient has gotten defib several times and is dying anyway.
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01/13/2012 08:17 PM
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It's getting close to the 1000 mark!! Next week will tell all...
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01/13/2012 08:29 PM
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Re: Baltic Dry Index....COLLAPSING
Hey guys, check this out:

[link to www.ship.gr]


The mark of the beast is everywhere...

The multi-year bottom of the Baltic Dry Index during this recession was on December 5, 2008, at 663 points.

Onde day before, on December 4, it closed at 666 points.

On December 8, 2008, it rebounded to 671 points, and never went lower than 666 again...

It was under 666 just for ONE DAY, and just 3 points.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8684292


It's just a number the only thing special is that it falls between 665 and 667.
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01/13/2012 09:01 PM
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Re: Baltic Dry Index....COLLAPSING
The BDI often drops in early winter ... so I wouldn't worry YET. IF it breaks BELOW the low for 2011, 1043, THEN I would start to worry since it would indicate a slowing economy (world ... NOT US).

Already Europe is showing signs of potentially falling into a recession ... which of course would both drive the index lower AND probably pull the rest of the industrialized world, ex China, with it. (which may be what is driving the index down at the moment)

China's economy is clearly in a "Bubble", one driven by real estate and huge UNeconomic infrastructure build outs. When the Chinese bubble bursts is anybody's guess, it could actually continue forward for several more years, or could burst later this spring. It all depends upon how the Chinese Government and Central Bank deal with their bubble. fwiw Copper imports into China, which is the second key industrial commodity after oil, are at peak - never before seen - levels, which indicates that NO serious slowdown is yet occuring in China.

The Baltic Dry Index, along with the LIBOR rate (London Interbank Lending Rate) are two of the key economic indicators that anyone doing modeling should pay attention to. One indicates REAL economic activity (along with the pricing of Copper), while the other indicates "stress" in the world's banking system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1459834


Well written. I've also read a lot of analysts who claim the BDI is very difficult to manipulate, that is manipulation from central authorities to paint a picture other that what is really happening.
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01/13/2012 09:24 PM
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bsflagIs someone going to post the Baltic Dry every day now. It usually gets posted every week and nothing happens, the economy is improving you retards. You losers should get jobs instead of trying to bring on doom.
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01/13/2012 09:30 PM
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Re: Baltic Dry Index....COLLAPSING
Check out the chart...

[link to www.bloomberg.com]

Not good folks.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1707881


Must go below 663 to indicate GREAT DEPRESSION IMMINENT.
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01/13/2012 09:41 PM
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massive head and shoulders pattern forming. Index will fall off the map in a year.

[link to investmenttools.com]
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01/13/2012 10:24 PM
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Holy crappolla!


[link to stockcharts.com]

good eyeball opie

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