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The FINAL EVENTS Of Bible Prophecy

 
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god bless, OP, this info will be helpful for the coming days ahead...

I know where my cave is located, luckily my parents are the only others,
who know of the location...
has been buried for thousands of years...until now..
one day i can thank the neighbors for digging it up...

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Very good post. God bless you.
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God bless you too friend! hf
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"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." - Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

"While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's Word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light" (The Great Controversy, p. 527).

"Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain it, and that very fact shows that it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated." - Charles Spurgeon

"Jesuit Adam Weishaupt established the modern version of the Illuminati specifically to be a front organization behind which the Jesuits could hide. After being formally abolished by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, the Jesuits used the Illuminati and other organizations to carry out their operations. Thus, the front organizations would be blamed for the trouble caused by the Jesuits."
Bill Hughes (Author of The Secret Terrorists and The Enemy Unmasked)
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god bless, OP, this info will be helpful for the coming days ahead...

I know where my cave is located, luckily my parents are the only others,
who know of the location...
has been buried for thousands of years...until now..
one day i can thank the neighbors for digging it up...
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My pleasure. I hope it is a blessing to some and hopefully they will remember some of it when certain things begin to happen.

A cave, eh? You live in a mountainous area? If you're faithful it may be useful in the near future. :D
The Truth About Thread: The FINAL EVENTS Of Bible Prophecy

"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." - Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

"While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's Word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light" (The Great Controversy, p. 527).

"Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain it, and that very fact shows that it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated." - Charles Spurgeon

"Jesuit Adam Weishaupt established the modern version of the Illuminati specifically to be a front organization behind which the Jesuits could hide. After being formally abolished by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, the Jesuits used the Illuminati and other organizations to carry out their operations. Thus, the front organizations would be blamed for the trouble caused by the Jesuits."
Bill Hughes (Author of The Secret Terrorists and The Enemy Unmasked)
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Voice so in essence parts 3 and 4, the so called savior will appear and will proclaim to be Jesus. But the first appearance of the so called 2nd coming will be false, it is satan. We must hold fast eyes towards the sky awaiting for the true savior to arrive. Meaning that the 1st sign of this is false and really the true savior will be the 2nd showing. Is this correct?
 Quoting: DOOM-N-GLOOM


I think you will find the following most fascinating.

Apollo Illuminaughty, an open New Ager and Luciferian on this forum, made a deceitful thread not too long ago claiming that the pentagram is not an occult symbol. I rebuked him for it and he made a startling reply regarding the hexagram and the coming 'false christ'.

He said,

A VOICE, the whopper will come when the one bearing the Hex, Star of David steps in, cause he will be a demon in human form, Muahahahahhaha !

He will be a man for all people and UNITE all faiths
 Quoting: Apollo


Interesting isn't it? The more knowledgeable Luciferians know what will happen when Satan presents himself to the world as Jesus Christ returned. They won't speak of it openly, but sometimes they can't help but boast upon the deception which is to come. Except for the times when they let themselves slip, they will always attempt to garb the lies they present with a veneer of Christian words. Be wary of them.

Here's the post on the actual thread. Thread: SO YOU THINK THE PENTAGRAM IS EVIL ???? Venus Transit TONIGHT ! (Page 4)
 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness




Yea well Apollo is more evil than satan ...have to always be aware of the traps.
My relationship with death hasnt changed......I am strongly against it.
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All anyone needs to do is watch the elections of today. Each and every candidate except Ron Paul is either a cultist or wanting to rule this world based on biblical interpreted rules.

God wants you to chose him not because of laws but based upon belief. This is the calling of Ron Paul, you choose - leave it up to the states, this way you can move to a state that follows your beliefs. It is not the government which goes beyond this mortal moment, it is you and your beliefs.

I cannot vote for any of the candidates other than Ron Paul, to vote any other is to embrace the same doctrine that got us here in the first place. Romney is a mormon, Neut is an adulter and believes he has done nothing wrong, Santorum is just crazy and the list goes on...

thing on those things watching this video, Ron Paul cannot deliver us but he will help us recognize our responsibilities. As God allows us free will, this is our free will, use it wisely.
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Voice so in essence parts 3 and 4, the so called savior will appear and will proclaim to be Jesus. But the first appearance of the so called 2nd coming will be false, it is satan. We must hold fast eyes towards the sky awaiting for the true savior to arrive. Meaning that the 1st sign of this is false and really the true savior will be the 2nd showing. Is this correct?
 Quoting: DOOM-N-GLOOM


I think you will find the following most fascinating.

Apollo Illuminaughty, an open New Ager and Luciferian on this forum, made a deceitful thread not too long ago claiming that the pentagram is not an occult symbol. I rebuked him for it and he made a startling reply regarding the hexagram and the coming 'false christ'.

He said,

A VOICE, the whopper will come when the one bearing the Hex, Star of David steps in, cause he will be a demon in human form, Muahahahahhaha !

He will be a man for all people and UNITE all faiths
 Quoting: Apollo


Interesting isn't it? The more knowledgeable Luciferians know what will happen when Satan presents himself to the world as Jesus Christ returned. They won't speak of it openly, but sometimes they can't help but boast upon the deception which is to come. Except for the times when they let themselves slip, they will always attempt to garb the lies they present with a veneer of Christian words. Be wary of them.

Here's the post on the actual thread. Thread: SO YOU THINK THE PENTAGRAM IS EVIL ???? Venus Transit TONIGHT ! (Page 4)
 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness




Yea well Apollo is more evil than satan ...have to always be aware of the traps.
 Quoting: DOOM-N-GLOOM


That doesn't sound like the real AI to me.
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wake up.. this video puts the next interesting part to what might be in store...
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Awesome op. Read the whole thing on my break at work, gunna watch the video hopefully tonight.

It really is beautiful and heartlifting to think of what will come after all the tribulations...

Here's my dilemma...I often feel that going through the tribulation will be the only way I can truly prove to God that I am worthy of eternal life. Yes, I love Him and I try to follow His laws with all my might, but there are things I do knowingly and purposely that are sinful. I know proverbs says something about sinning and knowing you're sinning but continually doing it will lead to death.

Now, when everything starts changing, this may be weird, but I want to be part of the group who sticks out out to the end because I feel that I need to prove myself through my actions and to be there for my friends and family who don't know God...I suppose it is all in God's will as to what happens to each of us...

Thanks again op!!!! God Bless
 Quoting: Eazy D


I understand what you are saying and feeling. But first, let us remember that "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." None of us have been or ever will be worthy of gaining eternal life and entrance into heaven and the new earth. The only reason we have the gift of salvation is because of Jesus Christ and His precious blood. It is nothing we did, but everything He did that allows us to be "partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust", and thus be granted immortality. I believe you already understand this.

I also understand your great desire to prove your faith genuine, to prove that you truly love your God and Savior. I have the same desire. :D This desire to follow in the footsteps of Jesus and live a holy life comes from the change and transformation which the Almighty has already begun in you. You are heading in the right direction. No one who truly loves God will be satisfied or desire to be stuck in a 'sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, etc' cycle. The purpose of Prince Immanuel coming to this earth was NOT to save man IN sin but to save us FROM the power of sin. The very fact that you are seeing your sinful condition every day and that it is your hearts burden to not remain in it, is the very evidence that the Holy Spirit has begun to write the Perfect Law of God upon your mind and heart. It is evidence that you have entered the 'war of self', where the 'new you' ferociously battles the 'old you', which seeks to take control of your inner self every chance that it gets.

The old self, with its sinful desires and character, will continue to try to come back and rule in your heart and mind every day. In order to gain victory, each morning and night, we must ask the Father in prayer to crucify the old self and empty us of him. We must ask the Father to create us anew in His likeness, to give us a new heart and mind, and fill us with the Holy Spirit that He may write His commandments, laws, and principles of righteousness in us. As the old self dies daily, Jesus will then live in us through His Holy Spirit, changing and transforming us "from glory to glory". As we ponder the awesomeness of Jesus Christ, His sacrifice on our behalf, His Soon Coming in clouds of glory; as we commune with the LORD in prayer each hour; as we diligently study and search the Bible for truth as for hidden treasure, we will become alight with the character of Jesus. He will shine through us and we will become as beacons of light in a dark sinful world. When we reflect on every thought we think, every word we say, every deed we do, and seek to bring it into alignment with a 'Thus Saith the LORD', we will become living representatives of the God who has saved us. Yea, we will become a living testament and evidence that Jesus did do what the Word of God says He did, and in so doing we will naturally lead others to the foot of the cross and the path of righteousness.

The more we allow this to happen, the less we will think of ourselves. Those who are truly living a holy life through Jesus Christ will never think themselves sinless or better than anyone else. Their every word, thought, and action may be an undeniable reflection of what Jesus would do, but the more they behold Christ in His beauty and glory, the greater the contrast will they see between His spotless perfection and their own defects and imperfections. Thus, as we are continually changed from glory to glory, we will grow more and more meek, while Jesus will be the exaltation of our lives, day by day.

Victory over all sin, over self, and over all temptation IS possible. We are given the command, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Matthew 5:48. To do this we must remedy all defects of our characters through the daily death to self, the old nature which seeks to come back every chance it gets, and through the inworking power of the Holy Spirit. As Paul, we must "die daily", and be created a new through God's power daily. It is a constant war and a battle that we are in. Faith, patience, and endurance is what we must have now. We will constantly be tempted to return to all that is filth, unholy, and unpure. In order for this victory to be real and consistent in our lives, we must give no room for Satan to work, no room for him to tempt us. The mind must be filled with the themes of salvation, of Scripture, of prophecy, of seeking to save the lost sheep for which Christ died. Just as the heart and mind must be cleansed of all that would lead us to temptation and sin, so the physical home/house must also be cleansed of all sources of temptation. We will never have victory over self an sin while we allow things to remain in our homes and lives which God Himself would not keep in the Sanctuary of Heaven above.

Complete and total victory over sin is the greatest way to prove to our God, and to the unfallen universe which is watching this sin-stricken planet with utmost interest, that Jesus Christ did not die for us in vain, but that our faith is a living reality, preparing us to live in the courts above and the new earth. To all who choose to put away all sin, in every form, the Spirit of God will be granted without measure, giving them the victory, day by day.

Only those who do this will be found among that small company described as the 144,000, who will give the Final Warning of God to a dying world, and who will be translated into immortality without seeing death. To those who choose to do this the promise is given, "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." Revelation 3:21.

hf
 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness


Wow, thank you for that reply. It was a lot to take in, but it makes perfect sense to me.

I am a relatively new believer, and the more my faith increases the more I feel sick to my stomach about my earthly actions and addictions. It really made sense to me how we continue to get meeker as we grow in the Lord.

Every day truly is a battler, and I find it hard to consciously talk to God as much as possible; I find myself getting distracted--even while I am in middle of prayer.

But thank you, my friend, I will heed your advice and continue my growth in the Lord!! Great insight from you :)
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I think you will find the following most fascinating.

Apollo Illuminaughty, an open New Ager and Luciferian on this forum, made a deceitful thread not too long ago claiming that the pentagram is not an occult symbol. I rebuked him for it and he made a startling reply regarding the hexagram and the coming 'false christ'.

He said,

A VOICE, the whopper will come when the one bearing the Hex, Star of David steps in, cause he will be a demon in human form, Muahahahahhaha !

He will be a man for all people and UNITE all faiths
 Quoting: Apollo


Interesting isn't it? The more knowledgeable Luciferians know what will happen when Satan presents himself to the world as Jesus Christ returned. They won't speak of it openly, but sometimes they can't help but boast upon the deception which is to come. Except for the times when they let themselves slip, they will always attempt to garb the lies they present with a veneer of Christian words. Be wary of them.

 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness


This is where pastor Doug has added to scripture making a prediction. We can not use prophecy to predict the future, other than the Second Coming which was told us without any symbolism.

The entire "Satan coming as Christ" claim has been creeping in and based on no Bible. When pressed for Bible they turn to "Satan can appear as an angel of light". But this is not telling us Satan comes to do this. This is actually metaphorical about Rome's false "christianity". We are to test all doctrine with the Bible to see if it is of God or from Satan who comes as an angel of light.

Pastor Doug presents a great deal of truth about the millennium in the video, just omit the section about any predicted coming deceiver. That deceiver came long ago and sits in Rome.

The Millennium
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also another short video series here..
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watched the whole video and its not for me but thank you for posting it.

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I think you will find the following most fascinating.

Apollo Illuminaughty, an open New Ager and Luciferian on this forum, made a deceitful thread not too long ago claiming that the pentagram is not an occult symbol. I rebuked him for it and he made a startling reply regarding the hexagram and the coming 'false christ'.

He said,

A VOICE, the whopper will come when the one bearing the Hex, Star of David steps in, cause he will be a demon in human form, Muahahahahhaha !

He will be a man for all people and UNITE all faiths
 Quoting: Apollo


Interesting isn't it? The more knowledgeable Luciferians know what will happen when Satan presents himself to the world as Jesus Christ returned. They won't speak of it openly, but sometimes they can't help but boast upon the deception which is to come. Except for the times when they let themselves slip, they will always attempt to garb the lies they present with a veneer of Christian words. Be wary of them.

 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness


This is where pastor Doug has added to scripture making a prediction. We can not use prophecy to predict the future, other than the Second Coming which was told us without any symbolism.

The entire "Satan coming as Christ" claim has been creeping in and based on no Bible. When pressed for Bible they turn to "Satan can appear as an angel of light". But this is not telling us Satan comes to do this. This is actually metaphorical about Rome's false "christianity". We are to test all doctrine with the Bible to see if it is of God or from Satan who comes as an angel of light.

Pastor Doug presents a great deal of truth about the millennium in the video, just omit the section about any predicted coming deceiver. That deceiver came long ago and sits in Rome.
 Quoting: Sg 946732


The Bible is clear on the fact that Lucifer will attempt to personate Jesus Christ and counterfeit the Second Coming. It is vividly described in the First Seal of Revelation 6. It will be an overwhelming deception.

You don't have to believe this. Just please remember this warning for the future that you may recall it when this grand deception takes place.
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"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." - Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

"While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's Word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light" (The Great Controversy, p. 527).

"Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain it, and that very fact shows that it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated." - Charles Spurgeon

"Jesuit Adam Weishaupt established the modern version of the Illuminati specifically to be a front organization behind which the Jesuits could hide. After being formally abolished by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, the Jesuits used the Illuminati and other organizations to carry out their operations. Thus, the front organizations would be blamed for the trouble caused by the Jesuits."
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Awesome op. Read the whole thing on my break at work, gunna watch the video hopefully tonight.

It really is beautiful and heartlifting to think of what will come after all the tribulations...

Here's my dilemma...I often feel that going through the tribulation will be the only way I can truly prove to God that I am worthy of eternal life. Yes, I love Him and I try to follow His laws with all my might, but there are things I do knowingly and purposely that are sinful. I know proverbs says something about sinning and knowing you're sinning but continually doing it will lead to death.

Now, when everything starts changing, this may be weird, but I want to be part of the group who sticks out out to the end because I feel that I need to prove myself through my actions and to be there for my friends and family who don't know God...I suppose it is all in God's will as to what happens to each of us...

Thanks again op!!!! God Bless
 Quoting: Eazy D


I understand what you are saying and feeling. But first, let us remember that "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." None of us have been or ever will be worthy of gaining eternal life and entrance into heaven and the new earth. The only reason we have the gift of salvation is because of Jesus Christ and His precious blood. It is nothing we did, but everything He did that allows us to be "partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust", and thus be granted immortality. I believe you already understand this.

I also understand your great desire to prove your faith genuine, to prove that you truly love your God and Savior. I have the same desire. :D This desire to follow in the footsteps of Jesus and live a holy life comes from the change and transformation which the Almighty has already begun in you. You are heading in the right direction. No one who truly loves God will be satisfied or desire to be stuck in a 'sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, etc' cycle. The purpose of Prince Immanuel coming to this earth was NOT to save man IN sin but to save us FROM the power of sin. The very fact that you are seeing your sinful condition every day and that it is your hearts burden to not remain in it, is the very evidence that the Holy Spirit has begun to write the Perfect Law of God upon your mind and heart. It is evidence that you have entered the 'war of self', where the 'new you' ferociously battles the 'old you', which seeks to take control of your inner self every chance that it gets.

The old self, with its sinful desires and character, will continue to try to come back and rule in your heart and mind every day. In order to gain victory, each morning and night, we must ask the Father in prayer to crucify the old self and empty us of him. We must ask the Father to create us anew in His likeness, to give us a new heart and mind, and fill us with the Holy Spirit that He may write His commandments, laws, and principles of righteousness in us. As the old self dies daily, Jesus will then live in us through His Holy Spirit, changing and transforming us "from glory to glory". As we ponder the awesomeness of Jesus Christ, His sacrifice on our behalf, His Soon Coming in clouds of glory; as we commune with the LORD in prayer each hour; as we diligently study and search the Bible for truth as for hidden treasure, we will become alight with the character of Jesus. He will shine through us and we will become as beacons of light in a dark sinful world. When we reflect on every thought we think, every word we say, every deed we do, and seek to bring it into alignment with a 'Thus Saith the LORD', we will become living representatives of the God who has saved us. Yea, we will become a living testament and evidence that Jesus did do what the Word of God says He did, and in so doing we will naturally lead others to the foot of the cross and the path of righteousness.

The more we allow this to happen, the less we will think of ourselves. Those who are truly living a holy life through Jesus Christ will never think themselves sinless or better than anyone else. Their every word, thought, and action may be an undeniable reflection of what Jesus would do, but the more they behold Christ in His beauty and glory, the greater the contrast will they see between His spotless perfection and their own defects and imperfections. Thus, as we are continually changed from glory to glory, we will grow more and more meek, while Jesus will be the exaltation of our lives, day by day.

Victory over all sin, over self, and over all temptation IS possible. We are given the command, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Matthew 5:48. To do this we must remedy all defects of our characters through the daily death to self, the old nature which seeks to come back every chance it gets, and through the inworking power of the Holy Spirit. As Paul, we must "die daily", and be created a new through God's power daily. It is a constant war and a battle that we are in. Faith, patience, and endurance is what we must have now. We will constantly be tempted to return to all that is filth, unholy, and unpure. In order for this victory to be real and consistent in our lives, we must give no room for Satan to work, no room for him to tempt us. The mind must be filled with the themes of salvation, of Scripture, of prophecy, of seeking to save the lost sheep for which Christ died. Just as the heart and mind must be cleansed of all that would lead us to temptation and sin, so the physical home/house must also be cleansed of all sources of temptation. We will never have victory over self an sin while we allow things to remain in our homes and lives which God Himself would not keep in the Sanctuary of Heaven above.

Complete and total victory over sin is the greatest way to prove to our God, and to the unfallen universe which is watching this sin-stricken planet with utmost interest, that Jesus Christ did not die for us in vain, but that our faith is a living reality, preparing us to live in the courts above and the new earth. To all who choose to put away all sin, in every form, the Spirit of God will be granted without measure, giving them the victory, day by day.

Only those who do this will be found among that small company described as the 144,000, who will give the Final Warning of God to a dying world, and who will be translated into immortality without seeing death. To those who choose to do this the promise is given, "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." Revelation 3:21.

hf
 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness


Wow, thank you for that reply. It was a lot to take in, but it makes perfect sense to me.

I am a relatively new believer, and the more my faith increases the more I feel sick to my stomach about my earthly actions and addictions. It really made sense to me how we continue to get meeker as we grow in the Lord.

Every day truly is a battler, and I find it hard to consciously talk to God as much as possible; I find myself getting distracted--even while I am in middle of prayer.

But thank you, my friend, I will heed your advice and continue my growth in the Lord!! Great insight from you :)
 Quoting: Eazy D


My pleasure. :)

I believe the key to winning the battle is in constantly filling the command center of the being, the mind, with the thoughts and themes of salvation and righteousness. Let your mind turn to Jesus Christ, to His sacrifice and love, to Scripture, to the truths of the Bible, to prophecy in light of current events, to the promise and wonders of the world to come, and to your growing desire to be in love with God and be in constant communion with Him. Every sinful act, habit, or word takes root in the mind. Satan can only succeed in making you fall if he can achieve making a 'landfall on the shores of your mind' with his thoughts and temptations.

At all times, something or someone will be ruling in your mind, whether righteousness or sin, whether the Great I AM or sinful self. If the mind is filled with the thoughts of God, nothing else, no matter how powerful, will be able to enter, thus ensuring your victory over sin and self as long as He remains inside. This will in essence cause you live in "heavenly places", by faith, while still on this earth. It is just like Peter walking on water; the moment he took his mind and eyes off Christ and let his attention focus on the perplexities of this earth(the roaring waves), he sank. I always say, "Keep your mind and eyes focused upward, for where they are there your heart and life will be also".

Consciously train your mind to return back to these thoughts and themes of righteousness, putting on the "helmet of salvation". Make this a daily, hourly habit. Remember that it is much like riding a bike for the first time. The first number of times you will fail, but the more you practice, the more you exercise the powers of the mind and train them to ponder God, the more natural it will become to you, and the more easily you will be able to brush off the assaults of Lucifer. When you get into a healthy habit of doing this at all times throughout the day, you won't become distracted in prayer or in worship, and you will have gained a most important victory which will cause your countenance to shine with the love and character of God. hf


If you read this, I was curious if you would indulge me in answering a genuine question I have for you... What do you consider/understand to be the purpose of prayer?

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The Truth About Thread: The FINAL EVENTS Of Bible Prophecy

"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." - Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

"While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's Word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light" (The Great Controversy, p. 527).

"Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain it, and that very fact shows that it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated." - Charles Spurgeon

"Jesuit Adam Weishaupt established the modern version of the Illuminati specifically to be a front organization behind which the Jesuits could hide. After being formally abolished by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, the Jesuits used the Illuminati and other organizations to carry out their operations. Thus, the front organizations would be blamed for the trouble caused by the Jesuits."
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Awesome op. Read the whole thing on my break at work, gunna watch the video hopefully tonight.

It really is beautiful and heartlifting to think of what will come after all the tribulations...

Here's my dilemma...I often feel that going through the tribulation will be the only way I can truly prove to God that I am worthy of eternal life. Yes, I love Him and I try to follow His laws with all my might, but there are things I do knowingly and purposely that are sinful. I know proverbs says something about sinning and knowing you're sinning but continually doing it will lead to death.

Now, when everything starts changing, this may be weird, but I want to be part of the group who sticks out out to the end because I feel that I need to prove myself through my actions and to be there for my friends and family who don't know God...I suppose it is all in God's will as to what happens to each of us...

Thanks again op!!!! God Bless
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I understand what you are saying and feeling. But first, let us remember that "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." None of us have been or ever will be worthy of gaining eternal life and entrance into heaven and the new earth. The only reason we have the gift of salvation is because of Jesus Christ and His precious blood. It is nothing we did, but everything He did that allows us to be "partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust", and thus be granted immortality. I believe you already understand this.

I also understand your great desire to prove your faith genuine, to prove that you truly love your God and Savior. I have the same desire. :D This desire to follow in the footsteps of Jesus and live a holy life comes from the change and transformation which the Almighty has already begun in you. You are heading in the right direction. No one who truly loves God will be satisfied or desire to be stuck in a 'sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, etc' cycle. The purpose of Prince Immanuel coming to this earth was NOT to save man IN sin but to save us FROM the power of sin. The very fact that you are seeing your sinful condition every day and that it is your hearts burden to not remain in it, is the very evidence that the Holy Spirit has begun to write the Perfect Law of God upon your mind and heart. It is evidence that you have entered the 'war of self', where the 'new you' ferociously battles the 'old you', which seeks to take control of your inner self every chance that it gets.

The old self, with its sinful desires and character, will continue to try to come back and rule in your heart and mind every day. In order to gain victory, each morning and night, we must ask the Father in prayer to crucify the old self and empty us of him. We must ask the Father to create us anew in His likeness, to give us a new heart and mind, and fill us with the Holy Spirit that He may write His commandments, laws, and principles of righteousness in us. As the old self dies daily, Jesus will then live in us through His Holy Spirit, changing and transforming us "from glory to glory". As we ponder the awesomeness of Jesus Christ, His sacrifice on our behalf, His Soon Coming in clouds of glory; as we commune with the LORD in prayer each hour; as we diligently study and search the Bible for truth as for hidden treasure, we will become alight with the character of Jesus. He will shine through us and we will become as beacons of light in a dark sinful world. When we reflect on every thought we think, every word we say, every deed we do, and seek to bring it into alignment with a 'Thus Saith the LORD', we will become living representatives of the God who has saved us. Yea, we will become a living testament and evidence that Jesus did do what the Word of God says He did, and in so doing we will naturally lead others to the foot of the cross and the path of righteousness.

The more we allow this to happen, the less we will think of ourselves. Those who are truly living a holy life through Jesus Christ will never think themselves sinless or better than anyone else. Their every word, thought, and action may be an undeniable reflection of what Jesus would do, but the more they behold Christ in His beauty and glory, the greater the contrast will they see between His spotless perfection and their own defects and imperfections. Thus, as we are continually changed from glory to glory, we will grow more and more meek, while Jesus will be the exaltation of our lives, day by day.

Victory over all sin, over self, and over all temptation IS possible. We are given the command, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Matthew 5:48. To do this we must remedy all defects of our characters through the daily death to self, the old nature which seeks to come back every chance it gets, and through the inworking power of the Holy Spirit. As Paul, we must "die daily", and be created a new through God's power daily. It is a constant war and a battle that we are in. Faith, patience, and endurance is what we must have now. We will constantly be tempted to return to all that is filth, unholy, and unpure. In order for this victory to be real and consistent in our lives, we must give no room for Satan to work, no room for him to tempt us. The mind must be filled with the themes of salvation, of Scripture, of prophecy, of seeking to save the lost sheep for which Christ died. Just as the heart and mind must be cleansed of all that would lead us to temptation and sin, so the physical home/house must also be cleansed of all sources of temptation. We will never have victory over self an sin while we allow things to remain in our homes and lives which God Himself would not keep in the Sanctuary of Heaven above.

Complete and total victory over sin is the greatest way to prove to our God, and to the unfallen universe which is watching this sin-stricken planet with utmost interest, that Jesus Christ did not die for us in vain, but that our faith is a living reality, preparing us to live in the courts above and the new earth. To all who choose to put away all sin, in every form, the Spirit of God will be granted without measure, giving them the victory, day by day.

Only those who do this will be found among that small company described as the 144,000, who will give the Final Warning of God to a dying world, and who will be translated into immortality without seeing death. To those who choose to do this the promise is given, "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." Revelation 3:21.

hf
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Wow, thank you for that reply. It was a lot to take in, but it makes perfect sense to me.

I am a relatively new believer, and the more my faith increases the more I feel sick to my stomach about my earthly actions and addictions. It really made sense to me how we continue to get meeker as we grow in the Lord.

Every day truly is a battler, and I find it hard to consciously talk to God as much as possible; I find myself getting distracted--even while I am in middle of prayer.

But thank you, my friend, I will heed your advice and continue my growth in the Lord!! Great insight from you :)
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My pleasure. :)

I believe the key to winning the battle is in constantly filling the command center of the being, the mind, with the thoughts and themes of salvation and righteousness. Let your mind turn to Jesus Christ, to His sacrifice and love, to Scripture, to the truths of the Bible, to prophecy in light of current events, to the promise and wonders of the world to come, and to your growing desire to be in love with God and be in constant communion with Him. Every sinful act, habit, or word takes root in the mind. Satan can only succeed in making you fall if he can achieve making a 'landfall on the shores of your mind' with his thoughts and temptations.

At all times, something or someone will be ruling in your mind, whether righteousness or sin, whether the Great I AM or sinful self. If the mind is filled with the thoughts of God, nothing else, no matter how powerful, will be able to enter, thus ensuring your victory over sin and self as long as He remains inside. This will in essence cause you live in "heavenly places", by faith, while still on this earth. It is just like Peter walking on water; the moment he took his mind and eyes off Christ and let his attention focus on the perplexities of this earth(the roaring waves), he sank. I always say, "Keep your mind and eyes focused upward, for where they are there your heart and life will be also".

Consciously train your mind to return back to these thoughts and themes of righteousness, putting on the "helmet of salvation". Make this a daily, hourly habit. Remember that it is much like riding a bike for the first time. The first number of times you will fail, but the more you practice, the more you exercise the powers of the mind and train them to ponder God, the more natural it will become to you, and the more easily you will be able to brush off the assaults of Lucifer. When you get into a healthy habit of doing this at all times throughout the day, you won't become distracted in prayer or in worship, and you will have gained a most important victory which will cause your countenance to shine with the love and character of God. hf


If you read this, I was curious if you would indulge me in answering a genuine question I have for you... What do you consider/understand to be the purpose of prayer?
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That last paragraph makes perfect sense. And that is where it's hardest for me. To turn my mind from the sinful nature and put on the helmet of salvation. I have an addictive personality; and when I approach something that I know is a sin I always think of God, and I feel shame. Yet, I continue with the sin. Even with all the love I have for God, it is a constant struggle. But I understand we all go through this.

Now the purpose of prayer, for me at least, is to clear my mind and to feel peace of mind and soul. I don't think that praying "God fix this for me!!!" ever works. Prayer is a sort of motivation, to get yourself to make the step of change, and THEN God shows Himself and fixes a problem or helps you discover Truth. That's the main purpose for me at least.

I also believe that prayer is a miraculous thing when people are truly using it for the potential of God. I saw a documentary called 'Finger of God' and that is basically what I'm talking about. Miracles should be an every day occurrence, but they are clouded by negative news in this dead world.

Prayer is a sort of 'evil filter' that forces yourself to look inside your heart and even find things out about yourself. I will admit, I do NOT pray enough....I don't pray every day--it is sooo hard for me to get that habit--but when I do pray, I end up praying for like 30 minute straight...always when I am alone or in my car, or looking at the stars at night. Prayer is a challenge, and I will also admit, I have never NOT even once, prayed with another person face to face.

But hey, we all got our problems we are dealing with, lol.

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This is where pastor Doug has added to scripture making a prediction. We can not use prophecy to predict the future, other than the Second Coming which was told us without any symbolism.

The entire "Satan coming as Christ" claim has been creeping in and based on no Bible. When pressed for Bible they turn to "Satan can appear as an angel of light". But this is not telling us Satan comes to do this. This is actually metaphorical about Rome's false "christianity". We are to test all doctrine with the Bible to see if it is of God or from Satan who comes as an angel of light.

Pastor Doug presents a great deal of truth about the millennium in the video, just omit the section about any predicted coming deceiver. That deceiver came long ago and sits in Rome.
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The Bible is clear on the fact that Lucifer will attempt to personate Jesus Christ and counterfeit the Second Coming. It is vividly described in the First Seal of Revelation 6. It will be an overwhelming deception.

You don't have to believe this. Just please remember this warning for the future that you may recall it when this grand deception takes place.
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Voice, there are several problems with this.

First, the horsemen rode long ago. The white horse was the church soon after the cross. The black horse was corruption of the church while the pale horse was the middle ages. You can ask pastor Doug about this, he will confirm.

Rev 6
[link to www.revelationbibleprophecy.org]

Second, the notion the seven seals or horsemen are still future comes from futurism not historicism -- pastor Doug's school. Futurist focus on a coming antichrist instead of Rome.

A little distraction here and there and the entire message is lost. This is why we must stick true to the word and not invent a prediction.

Muhammad came. Joe Smith came. Another came to found the Nation of Islam. Maitreya may or may not come. These are just false religions. The one professing to be "christian" is in Rome and has been for some time.

Error has crept in pastor Doug's church. He just did not want to mention Rome instead inventing this coming Satan as an angel of light. This is a false doctrine of a coming antichrist or futurism. There is no Bible for it. It is ecumenism. Most in his own church do not even believe that segment. The rest was well founded.

The danger of this is twofold 1) many await this event which will never happen. Some believe they can continue in sin, even break the Sabbath until such time they see this event when they claim they will repent at that time 2) false doctrine props up a false teacher to be knocked down when the thing is later repudiated, even the entire church or denomination can fall over a false teaching losing many members.(hopefully they don't lose faith--i'm not SDA)

I would just ask that you study the passage and not defend every statement from him (pastor Doug) or any man. Men will let us down every time. (it's not just Batchelor. i've seen the same from others on 3ABN.)
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This Past Batchelor ia a Seventh-day Adventist and do not believe in the rapture and the 7 year Tribulation.

Jesus shows many people that, He took to Heaven that there will be a rapture and Tribulation and they believe the Sabbath must be on a Saturday and not sunday. We worship on a Sunday because Jesus rose from the dead on a Sunday.
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That last paragraph makes perfect sense. And that is where it's hardest for me. To turn my mind from the sinful nature and put on the helmet of salvation. I have an addictive personality; and when I approach something that I know is a sin I always think of God, and I feel shame. Yet, I continue with the sin. Even with all the love I have for God, it is a constant struggle. But I understand we all go through this.
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Indeed we do. I always keep in mind that deep repentance will always be accompanied by experiencing shame and guilt on account of what I had done, knowing that that very sin is what put Jesus on the cross. If we do not experience what you are experiencing when we sin, our repentance is not genuine for we are making light of sin, not truly understanding what we had done. It is the Holy Spirit that speaks and makes impressions upon your mind when you sin and calls you to return back to God. The most important thing becomes whether we listen to that still small voice and return to God, or ignore it and continue in iniquity. What you wrote is what I experience as well when I allow myself to indulge in that which is not "pure, holy, just, and good". The feelings of guilt, shame, and sorrow over what I had done to Jesus is what I experience, and it calls for me to get on my knees and approach the throne of my Heavenly Father to ask for forgiveness, cleansing, and a renewal of spiritual life. This then results in that shame and guilt being eradicated from me for I once again am seen by JEHOVAH as though I had never sinned. All possible through the blood and merits of Jesus Christ. :)


Now the purpose of prayer, for me at least, is to clear my mind and to feel peace of mind and soul. I don't think that praying "God fix this for me!!!" ever works. Prayer is a sort of motivation, to get yourself to make the step of change, and THEN God shows Himself and fixes a problem or helps you discover Truth. That's the main purpose for me at least.

I also believe that prayer is a miraculous thing when people are truly using it for the potential of God. I saw a documentary called 'Finger of God' and that is basically what I'm talking about. Miracles should be an every day occurrence, but they are clouded by negative news in this dead world.

Prayer is a sort of 'evil filter' that forces yourself to look inside your heart and even find things out about yourself. I will admit, I do NOT pray enough....I don't pray every day--it is sooo hard for me to get that habit--but when I do pray, I end up praying for like 30 minute straight...always when I am alone or in my car, or looking at the stars at night. Prayer is a challenge, and I will also admit, I have never NOT even once, prayed with another person face to face.

But hey, we all got our problems we are dealing with, lol.

peace
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I agree, the Christian life is a war and a battle every day, filled with struggles. Though, if truly lived in Christ and in harmony with the principles of God, it is filled with indescribable holy joy. I don't think any of us pray enough. We read in the gospels that Jesus spent entire nights in prayer. I believe this should also be our goal as well. "Pray without ceasing" 1 Thessalonians 5:17.

You touched upon something that I think most professing Christians have misunderstood. Most see prayer simply as a necessity needed for asking for forgiveness and petitions. This is miles away from the main purpose of prayer. Prayer is the connecting tie between heaven and earth. I see it as that which allows 'blood' to flow between the two. Symbolically speaking, we are the hands and feet of the body of Christ, while the Father and Jesus Christ are the heart, the source and givers of life. Just like with our mortal bodies, if there is no blood flow between the heart and the hands, feet, etc., those bodily parts whither and eventually die. Prayer, which in its purest sense is nothing else but sincere and personal communion with God, is the connecting tie that makes this 'blood' flow and give us life. It is not to be seen as an act of petition or asking forgiveness, but as deep personal time where we pour our hearts and minds to our LORD, which will include asking forgiveness for sin, and petitioning Him according to His will. Apart from confessing all my sins, asking for forgiveness, and much petitions regarding my spiritual life and the lives of others, I tell my Creator everything that is going on in my life(primarily of a spiritual nature), all that which has burdened me, all the perplexities of my life, the things I am thankful for Him for doing and providing. I tell Him about my desire to see Him face to face one day soon, about the things I cannot wait to experience which He has prepared for me, about everything that puts me in awe concerning Him and what He has done and will do, etc.

Another way that I like to perceive this is in a relationship between boyfriend and girlfriend, or a fiance. And this also brings out the importance of two of the most important things for a believer, prayer and Bible study. When you love your partner you will genuinely seek to find out what they find pleasurable, what they like, dislike, and will seek to know anything and everything about them out of your love for them. In a Christian's life this is comparative to diligently studying the Bible, searching it as for hidden treasure, and absorbing every aspect of it, for it reveals to us the very character of JEHOVAH, His will for us in our lives, His likes, dislikes, His pleasure, and everything about Him that we can currently comprehend. Just like in any human relationship, a surface knowledge of the one you deeply love will not be sufficient and will not satisfy you. Those who genuinely and deeply love Jesus will also not be satisfied with a kind of surface and sentimental, half-hearted love towards Him. They will seek to know everything about Him and the primary way of doing this is through the Scriptures.

What about prayer in this scenario? A loving relationship will not survive without personal contact, without spending time with one another, talking with each other, enjoying one another's company. One can read his partner's journal, diary, and go through their facebook account thus learning everything there is to know about them. But unless love is refreshed and strengthened through personal contact and spending time with one another, it will eventually die. It is the same in spiritual life. Unfortunately however, we do not currently have the privilege of spending time with the One we love face to face. Putting aside for a moment the knowledge of the Holy Spirit being with us, the One we love is physically many light years away from us, much like a boyfriend being in the USA, while the girlfriend being in Asia. In such a situation, the partners can only interact and spend time with each other through the phone(or video chat nowadays...), but they are still able to enjoy one another's company. The conversation on the phone of those that love each other will not be simply one person asking another for this and that, but will be a genuine conversation which builds rapport, trust, and love.

Same with us. Hourly and daily we have to keep making that 'phone call' to allow our love for Jesus and the Father grow. This phone call is of course prayer time, communion with God. We may find the conversation a bit one sided at first, but our goal should still be to pour our heart to the One we love. Regardless of whether we hear anything being said back, the One on the other end of the 'line' hears us. Through this pouring out of the heart we show Him that we are genuinely interested in Him, that He truly is our One True Love. The more we do this, the more trust we will begin to put in Him, the more our faith will grow, and the more will we will have to follow after His ways. As this grows, we will genuinely begin to live the life of Jesus Christ, and we will begin to see our petitions being answered in our lives in miraculous ways. "And if we know that He hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of Him." 1 John 5:15. Let's just remember that the petitions we ask will only be answered if we are turning away from sin, seeking to live a holy life, and if they are in accordance with God's principles of righteousness as revealed in His Word. That's why prayers asking for things like a brand new car, which you don't need, while letting others starve to death around you will not be answered. "If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me." Psalm 66:18

That's how I see the issue of prayer, combined with Bible study. Deep study of the Bible tells us everything we need to know about God and His will, while genuine communion(prayer) with the LORD will make our faith and trust in Him grow exponentially. As you pointed out happening in your life, when this genuine communion begins to happen our prayers will not be two, or five minutes long, but with time will grow into 15 minutes, 30 minutes, an hour, two hours, to the point that, just like Jesus, we will be willing to spend entire nights in prayer without a desire to stop.

Ok, I gotta stop typing now. I have a habit that once I start talking/typing about God and spiritual things it is very hard for me to stop... hf

May God continue to give you strength and victories in your battles, and give you of the water of life.

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"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." - Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

"While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's Word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light" (The Great Controversy, p. 527).

"Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain it, and that very fact shows that it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated." - Charles Spurgeon

"Jesuit Adam Weishaupt established the modern version of the Illuminati specifically to be a front organization behind which the Jesuits could hide. After being formally abolished by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, the Jesuits used the Illuminati and other organizations to carry out their operations. Thus, the front organizations would be blamed for the trouble caused by the Jesuits."
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Hello Op,

I sent you a private message but I've thought it would be better to make it public. I am sorry for the trouble I caused on this thread. My Ego still gets the better of me sometimes I will continue in my quest to keep it in check.

Sorry again. hf
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Hello Op,

I sent you a private message but I've thought it would be better to make it public. I am sorry for the trouble I caused on this thread. My Ego still gets the better of me sometimes I will continue in my quest to keep it in check.

Sorry again. hf
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Hey :)

There's nothing to forgive. If you had wronged me, I had already forgotten about it.

We all have things to overcome and control over the fleshly selves to exercise. I pray that the Almighty JEHOVAH will give you and I the victory day by day.

hf
The Truth About Thread: The FINAL EVENTS Of Bible Prophecy

"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." - Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

"While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's Word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light" (The Great Controversy, p. 527).

"Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain it, and that very fact shows that it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated." - Charles Spurgeon

"Jesuit Adam Weishaupt established the modern version of the Illuminati specifically to be a front organization behind which the Jesuits could hide. After being formally abolished by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, the Jesuits used the Illuminati and other organizations to carry out their operations. Thus, the front organizations would be blamed for the trouble caused by the Jesuits."
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This is where pastor Doug has added to scripture making a prediction. We can not use prophecy to predict the future, other than the Second Coming which was told us without any symbolism.

The entire "Satan coming as Christ" claim has been creeping in and based on no Bible. When pressed for Bible they turn to "Satan can appear as an angel of light". But this is not telling us Satan comes to do this. This is actually metaphorical about Rome's false "christianity". We are to test all doctrine with the Bible to see if it is of God or from Satan who comes as an angel of light.

Pastor Doug presents a great deal of truth about the millennium in the video, just omit the section about any predicted coming deceiver. That deceiver came long ago and sits in Rome.

The Millennium
[link to www.1000yearmillennium.com]

also another short video series here..
[link to studies.itiswritten.com]
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"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." Galatians 6:7 <<<The seed of the Devil. Who gonna do that?

"For all must appear before the judgement seat of Christ; that everyone may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences." 2 Cor. 10-11

This concept keeps getting repeated over and over in the scriptures, whether you do good or whether you do evil, He is going to do it right back to you. Good or evil, He will be, according to your ways. This is not the Christ you are expecting? Better go look into a mirror to know if at Christ's appearing you will meet a good God, or that mean Devil...depending on you. And he is no deceiver.

"And as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith the Lord God." –Ezekiel

No evidence of God? I repeat myself: 7 Days a week, where did that idea come from? a smart caveman? maybe a real smart monkey? I don't know if the Maya had weekly cycles, but I also don't know anyplace in the world today that doesn't count 7 days a week. Who came up with that idea? Who should we give credit for that bit of wisdom? Let me know his name since I was thinking 7 Days a week is a sign of God.

And FINAL EVENTS: I'm not a prophet, just a bonafide weather forecaster, And here's my weather outlook:

Darkness yet a little longer, then deep deep darkness. And men will curse, lie, cheat, steal, and rob each other blind.
After that, they will kill each other off as much as possible, by any means possible. And then after that things will begin to lighten up a little. But during all that, those that love God should do just fine.

Oh, I am am I? Such as you think... :)


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This is where pastor Doug has added to scripture making a prediction. We can not use prophecy to predict the future, other than the Second Coming which was told us without any symbolism.

The entire "Satan coming as Christ" claim has been creeping in and based on no Bible. When pressed for Bible they turn to "Satan can appear as an angel of light". But this is not telling us Satan comes to do this. This is actually metaphorical about Rome's false "christianity". We are to test all doctrine with the Bible to see if it is of God or from Satan who comes as an angel of light.

Pastor Doug presents a great deal of truth about the millennium in the video, just omit the section about any predicted coming deceiver. That deceiver came long ago and sits in Rome.
 Quoting: Sg 946732


The Bible is clear on the fact that Lucifer will attempt to personate Jesus Christ and counterfeit the Second Coming. It is vividly described in the First Seal of Revelation 6. It will be an overwhelming deception.

You don't have to believe this. Just please remember this warning for the future that you may recall it when this grand deception takes place.
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Voice, there are several problems with this.

First, the horsemen rode long ago. The white horse was the church soon after the cross. The black horse was corruption of the church while the pale horse was the middle ages. You can ask pastor Doug about this, he will confirm.

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Second, the notion the seven seals or horsemen are still future comes from futurism not historicism -- pastor Doug's school. Futurist focus on a coming antichrist instead of Rome.

A little distraction here and there and the entire message is lost. This is why we must stick true to the word and not invent a prediction.

Muhammad came. Joe Smith came. Another came to found the Nation of Islam. Maitreya may or may not come. These are just false religions. The one professing to be "christian" is in Rome and has been for some time.

Error has crept in pastor Doug's church. He just did not want to mention Rome instead inventing this coming Satan as an angel of light. This is a false doctrine of a coming antichrist or futurism. There is no Bible for it. It is ecumenism. Most in his own church do not even believe that segment. The rest was well founded.

The danger of this is twofold 1) many await this event which will never happen. Some believe they can continue in sin, even break the Sabbath until such time they see this event when they claim they will repent at that time 2) false doctrine props up a false teacher to be knocked down when the thing is later repudiated, even the entire church or denomination can fall over a false teaching losing many members.(hopefully they don't lose faith--i'm not SDA)

I would just ask that you study the passage and not defend every statement from him (pastor Doug) or any man. Men will let us down every time. (it's not just Batchelor. i've seen the same from others on 3ABN.)
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The belief that the trumpets and seals have been fulfilled in the past is an ancient Anglican doctrine which Pastor Bachelor's church simply adopted shortly after the Great Disappointment. In fact, Uriah Smith was the one who searched through the writings of scholars from different denominations in the mid 1800s for a valid explanation of the trumpets and seals. When he found a view from the Anglican scholars which was compatible with the Historicist interpretation he simply adopted it.

I used to believe this interpretation until I studied the book of Revelation in light of the doctrine of the Heavenly Sanctuary. When the seals are opened and the trumpets are blown Jesus is already in the Most Holy place, telling us clearly that all the events foretold take place after the door to the MHP has been opened.

The truth regarding the Trumpets and Seals has been reserved to be revealed by God only to the last generation of the faithful, for only they will experience the events described.

There are also many indicators, particularly in the Trumpets which tell us that they could not have been fulfilled in the past. For example, the Fifth Trumpet in Revelation 9:4, "And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.". The 5th Trumpet takes place after the 144,000 are sealed in their foreheads. We know this hasn't happened yet.

Furthermore, we know that the four angels are still holding back the four winds of strife, as depicted in Revelation 7:1. How can the 6th Trumpet be past when the Bible states in Rev 9:13,14 "And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates? The four angels are commanded to let loose the four winds at the blowing of the 6th trumpet. This, again, has not happened yet.

Have you ever wondered why the Seven Last Plagues are called that, the "Last Plagues"? Read the end of chapter 9 and notice that the Scriptures call the Trumpets "plagues".

We must allow the Bible to interpret itself. When we study the book of Revelation in light of the doctrine of the Heavenly Sanctuary, it becomes opened in an exponentially greater light than it has been heretofore.

I'd be happy to discuss the matter of trumpets and seals with you in detail if you desire truth.

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"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." - Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

"While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's Word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light" (The Great Controversy, p. 527).

"Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain it, and that very fact shows that it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated." - Charles Spurgeon

"Jesuit Adam Weishaupt established the modern version of the Illuminati specifically to be a front organization behind which the Jesuits could hide. After being formally abolished by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, the Jesuits used the Illuminati and other organizations to carry out their operations. Thus, the front organizations would be blamed for the trouble caused by the Jesuits."
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There are also many indicators, particularly in the Trumpets which tell us that they could not have been fulfilled in the past. For example, the Fifth Trumpet in Revelation 9:4, "And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.". The 5th Trumpet takes place after the 144,000 are sealed in their foreheads. We know this hasn't happened yet.

Furthermore, we know that the four angels are still holding back the four winds of strife, as depicted in Revelation 7:1. How can the 6th Trumpet be past when the Bible states in Rev 9:13,14 "And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates? The four angels are commanded to let loose the four winds at the blowing of the 6th trumpet. This, again, has not happened yet.


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How do you know the heads of the 144k have not been sealed already? and that we are not of that great multitude that follows and cannot be numbered, having our heads of that multitude being sealed right now? Those in Christ, from the beginning, adding to their seal the testimony of Christ: That God is true (John 3:33)have not reached 144k at some time in the past? How could we know that, how should we count the heads? For surely the green things are being hurt, the trees struggling to keep a root, and the earth being made desolate before our very eyes. Even to every man now being greatly numbered for the buying and selling of commerce for the merchants of the earth have become the great men of the earth and merchandising has become more profitable than outright plunder.

Yet another vial being spilled into the seas...again and again, over and over, in a place where time doesn't matter. And an earthquake releasing more nuclear poison upon the earth and into the sea...and yet man even calls such: "Acts of God." And when have the promised plagues ceased? That you say have not yet begun, and I say will only get worse?

You have been numbered for buying and selling of commerce, you have a number for that. And it is the number of a man; that number of the Beast Kingdom System for buying and selling: SSS# = 666#.

Enough Milk, enough Bread, let's have some Strong meat for our heads...even sometimes like a bone in the throat.

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If I may make one more post here:

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Hear me! All of this House, that Spiritual House of Israel, the Lord your God is One. Hear and understand this.

Satan is the anger and wrath of God:

“That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.” Isaiah 45:6-7…with all the furthermore’s preceding and following this verse.

“Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.” Deut. 5:39

“Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; a blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the lord your God, which I command you this day: And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the Lord your God.” Deut. 11:26-28

“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that thou and thy seed may live.” Deut. 30:19

“Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? Wherefore doth a living man complain, a man for the punishment of his sins? Lam. 3:38-39

“Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? Shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips. Job 2:10

And that Christ has overcome Satan, and has taken his seat, and become established at God’s right hand with all judgment committed unto him. And that if you overcome that wicked one in your own heart, Christ will take that seat also, and reconcile you unto God. There is no other Mediator.

And, “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.” Gal. 6:7 < < < And these words contain that seed of Satan.

“Wherefore we labor, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.” 2 Cor. 5:9-11

“He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now…I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for His name’s sake. I write unto you fathers, because ye have known Him that is from the beginning. I write unto you young men, because have overcome the wicked one.” 1 John 2:9-13

And even I, even me, I write unto you also young men, because you are strong, and if the fullness of the word of God abides in you, you may also overcome that wicked one. Lest your good and evil be found evil only.

SSS# = 666# = $$$ for buying and selling of merchandise:
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And please forgive if I transgress.

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The Bible equates Islam to "locusts" due to their geographic location and their unstoppable migration.

Rev.9, 5th Trumpet - Rise of Islam (7th century)
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6th Trumpet - Islam takes Constantinople (1453)
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^ "Jewish Sabbath"

It's not the Jewish Sabbath. God's Sabbath is one of the 10C Law from the beginning as a memorial to creation.

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Old and New covenant. If you don't believe the New Testament, that is fine, just pointing it out.
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I have watched this... it's AWESOME and 100% accurate!!
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AGREED. ACTUALLY VERY ACCURATE, AND FOLLOWS SCRIPTURE.
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Old and New covenant. If you don't believe the New Testament, that is fine, just pointing it out.
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New Covenant we can MURDER LIE ADULTERY OTHER GODS W/ IDOLS WHILE CURSING OUR PARENTS? SABBATH?

Jesus restated the 10C law saying to even think of breaking one was to break them ALL.

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