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Eyesight & Blurry Vision - How are we really meant to see the world?

 
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Yes, I see that "sacred geometry" too. Hard to describe, but it's like I could see how "reality" is being constantly created. I've never heard of that Yggdrasil, and I've never seen it either, but I've see some amazing buildings and other things. It's all too hard to explain, and I don't want to throw this thread off with trippy stuff...MO's talking about vision in this dimension!

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I have astigmatism and synesthesia (cognitive thought to vision)

With corrective lenses on, I see the physical world quite clearly, but I do not notice my synesthetic vision as much.

Without corrective lenses, I still see the world around me, but my synesthetic vision is far more noticeable.

I think of it as dolphin vision. Dolphins have very poor eyesight and they rely on their sonar to see. They need both, physical vision and sonar to see the world around them.
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Hey Mister Obvious, old wow time buddy,

why not lasic surgery? Sure it's expensive and I have the same problem.

Maybe there is something we could do via using vibration treatment?
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Hey Wolfie..

I already explained above a bit about why I would be against laser surgery...

Mainly it's because I think rather than 'correcting' a flaw, it's more like covering up a natural way of being... like using hair dye or getting plastic surgery.

I want all natural.

So far there hasn't been a lot of info on natural cures... of course I haven't even begun to do my own research on that...

Oh there have been psychedelics mentioned though... wink




It's all too hard to explain, and I don't want to throw this thread off with trippy stuff...MO's talking about vision in this dimension!
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I am, but it's also about perception, and the psychedelics tie into all this...

If your vision is blurry, you are seeing things in a way that is unique to you... I think with blurry vision, you use other senses and abilities to put together what may perhaps be a more accurate representation of the whole...

And that in itself could be the reason for the 'corrective lenses' conspiracy.

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I have pondered much about this.

I have often wondered about cases of multiple personalities where one personality needs corrective lenses and another sees 20/20..

I have wondered why viewing through a pin hole makes things clear..

I have wondered if the brain limits vision as a protective mechanism.. and if healing the heart and the mind would produce clearer vision

Also I have wondered why in dreams your vision is clear when in reality you could be dependent on glasses or contacts.

Personally, I started needing glasses at the age of nine and I have wondered if it had anything to do with the stress in the home growing up.. as if less things were seen would reduce stress to a level one could cope with.
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"I have often wondered about cases of multiple personalities where one personality needs corrective lenses and another sees 20/20"

this!
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I have pondered much about this.

I have often wondered about cases of multiple personalities where one personality needs corrective lenses and another sees 20/20..

I have wondered why viewing through a pin hole makes things clear..

I have wondered if the brain limits vision as a protective mechanism.. and if healing the heart and the mind would produce clearer vision

Also I have wondered why in dreams your vision is clear when in reality you could be dependent on glasses or contacts.

Personally, I started needing glasses at the age of nine and I have wondered if it had anything to do with the stress in the home growing up.. as if less things were seen would reduce stress to a level one could cope with.
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Wow, this is a fascinating post...

You bring up a few great points...

I will have to research the multiple personalities/vision aspect, thank you for mentioning this.

I was sort of alluding to the protective mechanism of blurry vision in a few of my earlier posts... thanks for bringing that matter to the forefront... I didn't exactly know how to express it.
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I have astigmatism and synesthesia (cognitive thought to vision)

With corrective lenses on, I see the physical world quite clearly, but I do not notice my synesthetic vision as much.

Without corrective lenses, I still see the world around me, but my synesthetic vision is far more noticeable.

I think of it as dolphin vision. Dolphins have very poor eyesight and they rely on their sonar to see. They need both, physical vision and sonar to see the world around them.
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And dolphins are supposed to be a lot like humans or so they say...
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How about dyslexia and colored lenses? For some people colored lenses stop dyslexia.
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I have pondered much about this.

I have often wondered about cases of multiple personalities where one personality needs corrective lenses and another sees 20/20..

I have wondered why viewing through a pin hole makes things clear..

I have wondered if the brain limits vision as a protective mechanism.. and if healing the heart and the mind would produce clearer vision

Personally, I started needing glasses at the age of nine and I have wondered if it had anything to do with the stress in the home growing up.. as if less things were seen would reduce stress to a level one could cope with.
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I like the way you think...I've thought the same things.

The multiple personality thing is really interesting...how can the same eyeballs see so differently, unless the problem is in the brain and not the eyes? Maybe one personality is all tense/stressed/intense and the other is laid back and relaxed?

That "protective mechanism" idea is one I really feel is right on some level. I had a very stressful childhood, and maybe the blurry vision is one way we protected ourselves from the things we just didn't want to see? Maybe healing those old mental traumas would heal the eyes/brain? It's very difficult to root out all those childhood issues and get them healed...I've spent a life-time working on it. I've spent many years as a counselor, trying to help others heal too...it's very difficult!

I would like to see some scientific studies comparing kids from "bad" homes to kids from "good" homes...who wears glasses more often? Hmmmmm....

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In a thread earlier today, John Goz posted a video which highlighted a Chinese Hospital that uses no medicine to heal.

That said, as I watched the video, I was concentrating on my asthma, and, my eyesight. As far as my eyes go, besides myopia, there has been a distinct blurriness in my left eye (macular degeneration appears to be genetic on my dad's side) and, the eye just feels weird.

Well, the asthma and eye blurriness abated before the video ended, although I think I might need to rewatch this...as the effect seems to need a boost...or, complete concentration, which I did not give it while watching the video that one time only.

Point is, the power of the mind is quite remarkable. I, too, have wondered about how these problems might affect my ability to function/survive any serious doom.

So, I offer the following to those who may have missed it. Perhaps you'll have some luck with the 'simple' concept.




Good luck. Oh, great post....

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You're very welcome OP. :)
I am very curious to hear others' thoughts on the matter. I personally find it to be a fascinating topic.
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If your vision is blurry, you are seeing things in a way that is unique to you... I think with blurry vision, you use other senses and abilities to put together what may perhaps be a more accurate representation of the whole...

And that in itself could be the reason for the 'corrective lenses' conspiracy.

book
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So MO, are you going without glasses these days and experimenting with blurry vision?

I DO believe other senses and perceptive abilities try to fill in the gaps that blurry vision gives you... I guess I'm not really understanding your point though. You are thinking that blurry vision might be a "normal" thing, which allows us to see our world in a "better" way?

Once in a while I'll take my glasses off to walk to my mailbox (about 500 feet through the woods), and I certainly do experience the woods and colors in a different, good way. But I can't see my feet very well and it feels like I'm walking down stairs or something...
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Wow, thanks for sharing this...

It's amazing to me because it ties in with so many other things that have been posted lately and brought to our attention...




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There are so many of these things that are coming to the surface and demanding our understanding these days... I really do think we're in special times.
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In a thread earlier today, John Goz posted a video which highlighted a Chinese Hospital that uses no medicine to heal.

That said, as I watched the video, I was concentrating on my asthma, and, my eyesight. As far as my eyes go, besides myopia, there has been a distinct blurriness in my left eye (macular degeneration appears to be genetic on my dad's side) and, the eye just feels weird.

Well, the asthma and eye blurriness abated before the video ended, although I think I might need to rewatch this...as the effect seems to need a boost...or, complete concentration, which I did not give it while watching the video that one time only.

Point is, the power of the mind is quite remarkable. I, too, have wondered about how these problems might affect my ability to function/survive any serious doom.

So, I offer the following to those who may have missed it. Perhaps you'll have some luck with the 'simple' concept.




Good luck. Oh, great post....

cool2
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Wow, that's very interesting...I'll be watching that tonight!

I'm reminded of a doctor I read about a few years ago, who NEVER saw his patients, but was able to cure them by thinking about them!! If I remember correctly, he would close his eyes and visualize the person, then say "you are forgiven" several times...anybody have a link or more info on this?

hf
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So MO, are you going without glasses these days and experimenting with blurry vision?

I DO believe other senses and perceptive abilities try to fill in the gaps that blurry vision gives you... I guess I'm not really understanding your point though. You are thinking that blurry vision might be a "normal" thing, which allows us to see our world in a "better" way?

Once in a while I'll take my glasses off to walk to my mailbox (about 500 feet through the woods), and I certainly do experience the woods and colors in a different, good way. But I can't see my feet very well and it feels like I'm walking down stairs or something...
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My thought on it is perhaps we are meant to see the world exactly in the way our natural vision allows us.

Maybe we all have different perceptive needs and abilities, and our natural vision is part of making that process a properly functioning one.

As crazy as it may sound... perhaps you are SUPPOSED to be seeing the world the way you see it when you walk with no glasses to your mailbox.

After all, think about it...

How did it come to be that we were given corrective lenses??

We were told we needed them... by doctors, and authority figures.

People who are generally tools, to be frank. Maybe it was part of a plan to put the same wool over all our eyes and dull our special abilities/the proper way we are individually supposed to perceive our realities.
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I ask myself this very question sometimes. My vision never developed passed the 20/400 mark. No one caught the fact I couldn't see until I was 7 years of age. I recall seeing the most fantastic light visuals as a child. This also led me to develop my spatial ability as early as possible and to turn what some may view as a deficiency into a gift. How many of you have a similar experience?

I am almost jealous of all of you with your beautiful functioning eyes, yet I am quite content with my own vision.
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" This also led me to develop my spatial ability as early as possible and to turn what some may view as a deficiency into a gift. "

You mean, by not being able to see clearly, you developed an acute awareness of things around you by other means ?

If that's what you mean, then yes. We see what happens when someone loses, or never has a sense of something, other senses become amplified, so a deficiency could become a strength in that case.
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All of the senses developed from one single empirical sense. That of touch and vibration.

You see, to taste food in all it's splendor, one must touch with the tongue. To hear sound vibration requires that vibration to tickle the inner-ear. To smell the waft of the most pleasant odor requires the minutia of scent particles to stir the olfactory. The eyes. A billion tiny light particles danced ceaselessly upon the primordial skin that was to become our eyes. In this way do we detect the vibration as a more pure form. Light not only opened our eyes but our minds, as all of these senses are extensions thereof.

Which of these sensory system are not readily or apparently dual in nature? Why is that?
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So MO, are you going without glasses these days and experimenting with blurry vision?

I DO believe other senses and perceptive abilities try to fill in the gaps that blurry vision gives you... I guess I'm not really understanding your point though. You are thinking that blurry vision might be a "normal" thing, which allows us to see our world in a "better" way?

Once in a while I'll take my glasses off to walk to my mailbox (about 500 feet through the woods), and I certainly do experience the woods and colors in a different, good way. But I can't see my feet very well and it feels like I'm walking down stairs or something...
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My thought on it is perhaps we are meant to see the world exactly in the way our natural vision allows us.

Maybe we all have different perceptive needs and abilities, and our natural vision is part of making that process a properly functioning one.

As crazy as it may sound... perhaps you are SUPPOSED to be seeing the world the way you see it when you walk with no glasses to your mailbox.

After all, think about it...

How did it come to be that we were given corrective lenses??

We were told we needed them... by doctors, and authority figures.

People who are generally tools, to be frank. Maybe it was part of a plan to put the same wool over all our eyes and dull our special abilities/the proper way we are individually supposed to perceive our realities.
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Hmm, that's a very interesting theory. It really does feel good to walk in the woods without my glasses...the colors are much more intense and beautiful. Maybe we have been hoodwinked into wearing these barriers to reality...I'll have to think about that more. Glasses really do act as a wall or barrier to the world, especially when trying to connect to other people. Your eyes are more difficult to see and connect with...hmmmm....

I've tried driving without glasses, but it just isn't safe...harder to judge distance and I sure can't read any signs. I would love to ride my motorcycle without glasses, but I better not!

Can you read books or see your computer monitor without glasses? I can't...
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I found some info on that doctor who healed his patients without seeing them:

Ho’oponopono, the Hawaiian system that heals oneself ... and the world, too

More than thirty years ago, in Hawaii, at the Hawaii State Hospital, there was a special ward, a clinic for the mentally ill criminals. People who had committed extremely serious crimes were assignated there either because they had a very deep mental disorder or because they needed to be checked to see if they were sane enough to stand trial. They had committed murder, rape, kidnapping or other such crimes. According to a nurse that worked there in those years, the place was so bleak that not even the paint could stick to the walls, everything was decaying, terrifying, repulsive. No day would pass without a patient-inmate attacking another inmate or a member of the staff.

Read more at this link: [link to rosariomontenegro.hubpages.com]
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All of the senses developed from one single empirical sense. That of touch and vibration.

You see, to taste food in all it's splendor, one must touch with the tongue. To hear sound vibration requires that vibration to tickle the inner-ear. To smell the waft of the most pleasant odor requires the minutia of scent particles to stir the olfactory. The eyes. A billion tiny light particles danced ceaselessly upon the primordial skin that was to become our eyes. In this way do we detect the vibration as a more pure form. Light not only opened our eyes but our minds, as all of these senses are extensions thereof.

Which of these sensory system are not readily or apparently dual in nature? Why is that?
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Excellent insights, definitely some things to think on.




Can you read books or see your computer monitor without glasses? I can't...
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Yep, I am doing it right now. The screen is about 12 inches in front of me and that's a comfortable view.
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5 star thread MO. Reminds me of the old days.

You see clearer than most,...imo.



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I'm pretty fuckin' tired, so I'll leave you guys with this...




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When I trip the visual snow turns into sacred geometry. Once, after a night of rolling balls on x that was pretty trippy, the visual snow all turned into the Yggdrasil. This was years before I had ever seen a picture of it on the Internet!

[link to 3.bp.blogspot.com]
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Wow how interesting...

Makes you wonder about how and why humans are programmed, with all these strands of imagery/symbols possibly already stored in the mind.
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A lot of people claim to see heiroglyphics while they trip. I often wonder if we were simply chiseling out imagery/symbols already programmed in our minds way back when. Imagine how it must have been before we as a species began speaking to one another in full, coherent, properly conjugated sentences. It's not too far of a stretch to believe everyone was "out there" given there was no language structure to create a society to create a conformance structure. Everyone, from the moment they were born to the day they died were pretty much in their own world, with only grunts and body language to interact with others.
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I have some of those too. Sucks ass! You know, the only way you can get it fixed is to have a procedure done where they 'suck' the topmost film off your eyeball...

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If it can be corrected with the "surgery", I'd try that in a heart beat and be FREEEEEE until you needed bifocals when you're 40-50ish. That's my 2 cents.
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Interesting thoughts OP.


I think all the poison that we put in our bodies today, relative to our ancestors, is the cause for almost all health issues (including bad vision). We are naturally suppose to see the world with perfect vision IMO.

Unfortunately we live in a very unnatural world and it is hard to avoid all these "poisons" from the minute you are born.

Think about it..

Water contains Fluoride (your body is made up of over 70% water)

90% of food at your regular grocery store contains MSG (Monosodium Glutamate(look it up))

Fruits and Vegetables are sprayed with pesticides and all other types of chemicals.

We breath in pollution, rain water isn't pure anymore, cell phones destroying our brains...

The list goes on and on.


There are many ways to heal your body naturally though.

1. Detox of all chemicals and go on a organic raw food diet of fruits and vegetables, maybe some meat.

2. Qi Gong = Qi (Chi) energy healing

3. Meditation

4. Lasic Eye Surgery (LOL)


Or just pretty just try to avoid all the unnatural shit that is put in our food, water, air, products (See Above).
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Another great post Mo!

I've had piss poor vision since childhood but it has come with blessings.

I've found that my other senses are more highly developed because of it.

Also, I can recognize people not by the way they look but by their posture and movement.

I can sort through all the sounds I hear, identify them and be able to tell what location they are coming from.

My memory has had to be developed more - I HAVE to remember where things are because I definitely can't see them - especially at night if I get up to use the bathroom. I can move through the dark, locate items etc. with zero vision.

The more I think about it, the more benefits I realize!
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When I trip the visual snow turns into sacred geometry. Once, after a night of rolling balls on x that was pretty trippy, the visual snow all turned into the Yggdrasil. This was years before I had ever seen a picture of it on the Internet!

[link to 3.bp.blogspot.com]
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Wow how interesting...

Makes you wonder about how and why humans are programmed, with all these strands of imagery/symbols possibly already stored in the mind.
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A lot of people claim to see heiroglyphics while they trip. I often wonder if we were simply chiseling out imagery/symbols already programmed in our minds way back when. Imagine how it must have been before we as a species began speaking to one another in full, coherent, properly conjugated sentences. It's not too far of a stretch to believe everyone was "out there" given there was no language structure to create a society to create a conformance structure. Everyone, from the moment they were born to the day they died were pretty much in their own world, with only grunts and body language to interact with others.
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I've taken some massive doses, to experience a shamanic type of trip...not for fun, not to "party", but to re-experience what shamans have experienced throughout history. Not only have I seen hieroglyphic and geometric amazements, but I've actually seen and experienced complete structures, like temples and domes and indescribable buildings, matrix-like infinite vistas. Also have seen many shamans and cave-man types of people sitting around my fire, passing a pipe around. And the mushroom god that has a face like a bee and mushrooms growing out of every inch of his skin. Lots of other things too...that are very complex and very real-seeming.

There is a lot out there that we haven't come close to understanding!!

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some excellent points to ponder!
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well I came down with sudden cataracts, was in surgery a week after the first one appeared. And during the post op the 2nd one started and my surgeries were 6 weeks apart. Before then, I wore coke bottle lenses, and was severely near sighted long before I got my first glasses when I was 13. I loved being able to see, but everyones hair initially looked DIRTY to me, because I could actually see strands of hair.

Now I would be completely blind because of the cataracts, so thankyou I had the surgery which improved my vision, because the doctor could use different implants. He could not correct it completely, no implant thick enough, but he improved it considerably and I can even watch Tv now without them. Except I can't read smaller print, but at least the boob tube is not a collage of colors that I could not make out what is what.

I can run around the house now without the glasses, but I need them otherwise but at least they aren't coke bottle lenses any more. I did NOT like bifocals so I just take my glasses off on the computer and to see my food vision up close is blurred otherwise, as getting the implants for cataracts, you don't have adjusting natural lenses any more.

I have not noticed any improvement over all in the vision from doing without my glasses around the house and on the computer. I wondered if I would from using my eyes without glasses. If I need to find something I have to put them on generally. What's funny, is that I loose my glasses easily from taking them off to read stuff and then walking away. I have to retrace my steps to find them again.
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I recall reading once that children/babies become nearsighted early on to block out any kind of non-love (for lack of a better word), they are seeing from their mother. I suppose that would be a form of self-protection. It is an interesting theory, though I am not sure it is correct.

Also have read that eating too much wheat when you are young will cause nearsightedness.

At any rate, for me, as one who is nearsighted, I have noticed over the years that I am much more introverted and focused when I have my glasses on. Conversely, I become more extroverted and physically active with my contacts on.
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01/12/2012 11:41 PM

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Re: Eyesight & Blurry Vision - How are we really meant to see the world?


 Quoting: Mister Obvious


There are so many of these things that are coming to the surface and demanding our understanding these days... I really do think we're in special times.
 Quoting: Mister Obvious


This one is amazing, and, new to me.

This thread has blossomed quite nicely. The input has been amazing, from every poster. Thanks, everyone!

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