People who wait for some kind of savior...

If only you knew ! ;)

Psalm
77:11 I will remember the works of the LORD: surely I will remember thy wonders of old.

77:12 I will meditate also of all thy work, and talk of thy doings.

77:13 Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?

77:14 Thou art the God that doest wonders: thou hast declared thy strength among the people.

77:15 Thou hast with thine arm redeemed thy people, the sons of Jacob and Joseph. Selah.

77:16 The waters saw thee, O God, the waters saw thee; they were afraid: the depths also were troubled.

77:17 The clouds poured out water: the skies sent out a sound: thine arrows also went abroad.

77:18 The voice of thy thunder was in the heaven: the lightnings lightened the world: the earth trembled and shook.

77:19 Thy way is in the sea, and thy path in the great waters, and thy footsteps are not known.

Good luck with the thread.

(lol)

savior is inside, look deep.

yeah something along this line:)

So you're indirectly stating that you deny Christ...

It has nothing, absolutely NOTHING to do with fear.

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear: because fear has to do with punishment. He that fears is not made perfect in love. -1John 4:18

Can you understand this concept... that a lack of trust is where the fear comes from?

Christ's instructions were clear, that we aught to wait for his return at the end of this age of Pisces. That's exactly what I intend to do.

So I put this question on you, if believer's faith keeps them at perfect peace and without fear, although you lacked understanding, how could this be considered "not helping anyone?"

can you give me a credit?

What you see as "Christ" and what I see as "Christ" are two very different things.

You are waiting on a savior, I am cultivating the one who is anointed from within.

So, you believe you can save yourself?

So are suggesting that Christ only exists within? That he never walked the earth and died on the cross?

I think you mean to say you're cultivating the holy spirit within.

You seem confused. You ignored my question even.

I try to avoid belief as it is a poor substitute for experience.

So, you've experienced cultivating your inner salvation before and you intend to do so again?

What exactly are you saving yourself from?

No, I meant just what I said, just as I said it.

There have been many "Christs" who walked the earth.

The expression, "saving yourself" is yours and not mine.

Cultivation is a process that never ends.

It has been my experience that the two go hand in hand , that is if you are properly born-again of the Spirit .

Just because I believe in a savior doesn't mean I am waiting and doing nothing.

Things are not so black and white

I guess I am not proper then.

It's a good thing that experience speaks for itself.

She is correct. To accept your creator as an external force is to deny the presence within yourself, therefore forfeiting your "power" to those that rule you. This is why we are ruled. Our source is internal (know who you are):

I never said anything about doing nothing. Curious that you mentioned it though.

So let me see if I got this right--you believe in a savior but are not waiting for it/him/her?

As a Christian I believe in my Creator. I believe the He is Almighty and Wise enough to create the natural world we live in and that it was once perfect until humans began to destroy it.

My trust and faith is not in humanity, as experience and history has shown us that man fails. Instead my faith is in the one who created perfection. My trust is in Him and His Son, that He *saves* us from the filth this world has become. My faith is that He will restore it to it's original beauty and those who believe this will experience it.

You know, I think it's a sad shame that humans believe they are so filthy and damaged.

It is completely disempowering.

Isnt that how this country was founded? They fled Europe in order to save themselves.

Your original post impies that anyone who believes in a savior does nothing for themselves or other.

Maybe I just didn't see it how you meant it.

As for your question, I am not sure what you mean, please clarify and I will be happy to answer.

The bibletards immediately go on the defensive and start quoting from the holy book of bullshit because that's all they've got, no rational arguments!!!!

I am so sorry that the world is full of people who believe different things....if only we were all robots, things would be soo much better.

No, disempowerment doesn't necessarily mean inactive.

You claim to believe in a savior--someone to save you, right?

I would assume this is Jesus for you?

Are you waiting on him to come and save you?

Humans cannot create anything as superior to what the Lord has created. From stars, planets, galaxies to our own earth, the oceans, the moon the fertile land. The beautiful creation of life in the womb. Nature is so beautiful and perfect...well at least it was. God put man in charge of taking care of this earth...do you think we've done a good job?

No, we haven't, we destroyed it. There is no other way around it girl. I can empower myself by submitting to the Higher Power that created me and everything in this universe. The one who created it is the one who can purify it.

Any power that you think you or man can have is drastically inferior to the one who Created YOU and all of US and this very existance.

From the second death , yes . I prefer everlasting life .

No, he has already saved me.

I also don't consider it disempowerment. I have to work on making myself a better person everyday, I strive to be like Christ, to me that is the opposite of disempowerment.

How can it be destroyed when it is still here and sustaining us?

I thought we were made in the likeness of Creator? You know, the way a drop of water from the ocean shares in all the same attributes, but not exactly the same magnitude as the ocean.

Are you telling me that we are made in this likeness and yet unable to create?

That seems very disempowering.