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I'm not sure but according to WINGDLION he says that If the earth were an orange and you stuck a straw through Jerusalem that it would come out some where in Missouri.

I always thought this was interesting. First I will copy part of a Wikipedia page about the Temple Lot in Independance MO and next I will post part of a Wikipedia page about Albert Pike.

WIkipedia / Temple Lot

The Temple Lot, located in Independence, Jackson County, Missouri, is the first site to be dedicated for the construction of a temple in the Latter Day Saint movement. The area was dedicated on Wednesday, August 3, 1831 by the movement's founder, Joseph Smith, Jr.,[1] and purchased on December 19, 1831 by his colleague Edward Partridge to be the center of the New Jerusalem or "City of Zion" after he received a revelation stating that it would be the gathering spot of the Saints during the Last Days.[2]

Wikipedia / Albert Pike

In 1831, Pike left Massachusetts to travel west, first stopping in St. Louis and later moving on to Independence, Missouri. In Independence, he joined an expedition to Taos, New Mexico

Thanks Alesiah for everything you helped contribute to this thread. I'm still digesting it all. I hope you stick around.

And Navoo, Illinois is where the
Hedrickites and temple Lot
followers were living
before moving to
Independence MI
because of a
prophecy from
Hedrick saying
"the following of Hedrick was commanded to assemble in the year 1867, in order to escape certain "judgments" that were to overtake the United States, beginning in 1871 and culminating in the loss of liberty and the destruction of the nation by 1878;
(Which did happen by the
way with promotion of the civil war, then
the United States Gold Reserve Act of January 30, 1934 which actually was approved on MARCH 14 1900)..
People are mistaken in saying that we are just now
experiencing the founding fathers America collapse....
It happened after the Civil War, and with
the advent of the Gold Reserve Act
establishing the Federal Reserve Currency,
taking tangible gold out of the people's hands.

Sorry, just wanted to add one
more thing, don't mean to
take up your space:)

Albert Pike comes from a secret
organization called the Order of the
Golden Circle, They engineered the civil
War, which you can read about here
[link to www.kipnews.org]
(sorry the page number I can't remember but
you can CTRL+f 'civil war or copperheads'
and it should find it)
and they are also involved in
the founding of the LDS Church.

This book is actually really interesting
its called "Edmund Wright and His Adventures
of Escape from the Order of the Golden Circle"
and it has lots of things in history
that have happened but have been told
to us differently in our history book.s
[link to www.kipnews.org]

Last Edited by Le Palma on 02/13/2012 06:36 AM

[link to www.illinoishistory.com]

There are two schools of thought on how this Land Between the Rivers became known as Egypt. The first says the regional name developed because of the existence of Egyptian place names such as Cairo and Thebes. The second argument says the region was named after settlers in the northern part of the state had to travel to Southern Illinois to buy grain after a series of bad winters or droughts. The settlers in their wagon trains were similar to the ancient Israelites traveling unto Egypt to buy grain.

The trouble with both of these arguments is that they are both right, and they're both wrong as well, because the Egyptian city names and the bad winters occurred after the region got its moniker. But both stories are true to the extent that they helped spread acceptance of the name.

One of the first persons to associate Southern Illinois with Egypt was John Badgley, a Baptist missionary to the French and Indian villages in the American Bottoms. Badgley was a preacher in the newly-settled American towns of New Design and Bellefontaine in what's now Monroe County. They were settled after the Revolutionary War during the 1790s.

In 1799, during his travels among the French settlements, he went up on top of the bluffs in the area of what's now Edwardsville and dubbed the fertile highlands and bottoms the "Land of Goshen." Being a preacher, he knew that the Bible referred to Goshen as the best land of ancient Egypt. It was the land the pharaoh gave to Joseph's family after they came to Egypt.

That Bagdley is the one is credited with the name "Goshen" is not disputed. Neither is the Biblical reference to Egypt. So why did he give the area the Egyptian name? If the land was so good, why not call it Canaan, the land the Bible describes as a land of milk and honey?

Regrettably, Badgley didn't give us the answer, but the answer may be visible even today. As you stand on top of the bluffs above the American Bottoms you see a grand river valley that even in 1799, settlers knew contained the longest river on the continent, if not the world. There are only two rivers longer than the combined Missouri-Mississippi Rivers, and those are the Amazon and the Nile.

Baptist preachers on the frontier probably did not know much if anything about the Amazon, but the Nile was well known to European Civilization. Thus the Mississippi itself probably led to the first reference to Egypt.

Another reason why Badgley may have chosen Goshen over Canaan, was that Canaan represented home to the Israelites, where Goshen was part of a foreign country. In 1799, Illinois was almost like a foreign country. New Spain was just across the river. The predominant European language in the state was French, not English. The American Bottoms were so named because at that time they were the western border of the United States.

But this part of Illinois was not just foreign, it was ancient, like Egypt itself. In the Carolinas, when settlers traveled west they met the Cherokees, an Indian nation that had lived in the southern Appalachians for centuries. Beyond that was Kentucky, a pristine wilderness untouched by permanent settlement, even by the Indians. Even further west was Southern Illinois.

Like Kentucky, Southern Illinois was mostly a hunting ground without large permanent Indian villages, at least until the French came and encouraged the Illini to settle among them. But unlike Kentucky, there was a mysterious air to the region. Along the rivers one could see various mounds, in the hills, ancient stone forts, and up the Mississippi itself, the largest mounds of them all near Cahokia.

So the Mississippi Valley not only served as a reminder to the Nile, the local mounds gave a faint physical resemblance to the pyramids of Egypt. The mounds and ruins of stone forts gave evidence of an ancient culture that had been more advanced than the Indian cultures that inhabited the state at the end of the 18th Century.

Please post anything you want LePalma

[link to www.philipcoppens.com]

"What sense can we make of all this? Could a golden sarcophagus, allegedly found in an Illinois cave, be evidence of pre-Columbian transoceanic travel between the "Old World" and the Americas, as so many people have claimed? While Burrows described what the cave looked like and what it contained, fortunately most of the artefacts removed from the cave were photographed early on, in part due to the efforts of James Schertz and Fred Rydholm."

Curiously, the LDS Mormon church holds many
of the plates, gold, and Egyptian and
Hebrew artifacts that were found in the cave.

Is this ABe? I love this kind
of stuff, much easier on the
Hubris than my regular posts...
and i was born in Illinois.

Wait, are you serious , the Mormon church has some of the artifact that were found at burrows cave? That's unbelievable. If that is true and I have no reason to doubt you LePalma , I wonder why so many people have concluded it was a hoax?

I know, I read that when
I was researching
the church, hang on I will
try to find the link.

Yes, it's me LePalma. I'm glad to hear your enjoying this thread. I happen to big fan of many of your posts and threads as well. The nine thread was very interesting and I've been meaning to read it again.

THe LDS church claim that the artifacts
are Fakes, however leading scientists
have testified to the skill and
craftsmanship of the artifacts,
and cross referenced the text
and symbols on the artifacts
and verified them. They are now
located in the Michigan
Historical museum...I believe
they are genuine b/c of the
circumstances that they were
found, the man who found them,
and the fact that the LDS
confiscated the artifacts
after they were found
based on the premise
that they may be a part of their
Church History.

The Associated Press/October 27, 2003

"Grand Rapids, Mich. -- Some of the now-debunked Michigan Relics -- once considered by some influential Mormons as evidence of the church's connection to a Near Eastern culture in ancient America -- have a new home.

For decades, the Mormon Church kept a large collection of the artifacts in its Salt Lake City museum, but never formally claimed them to be genuine.

This past summer, after scholars examined the relics and declared them fakes, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints donated the 797 objects to the Michigan Historical Museum, which will display them next month.

The relics were once hailed as the greatest archaeological discoveries since Pompeii. But there are many clues they are really fakes, Michigan State Archaeologist John Halsey told The Grand Rapids Press."

Thanks Abe, that means alot, I enjoy
reading your threads also~~~
I'm curious about your title--
What are you seeking answers to?

All of that stuff about the LDS is news to me. From all the stories I have heard Burrows found over 5000 artifacts, many made of gold and that he melted much of the gold and sold it in Switzerland and that most of the remaining artifacts got sold to private collectors on the black market. There are some pictures of some of the apparent artifacts available on the web. I wonder what the LDS church has to say about the supposed three dead bodies that were also said to be found with those artifacts ?

The title to this thread? Do you think it implys I'm seeking answers? It might but I'd have to think about it because that wasn't what I planned on conveying. so I'm not sure if that's what you mean.

I don't wanna stir up anything so I should Probobly keep this to myself but for some reason I want to tell you this. I looked at your friends list and you happen to have two of the most suspect people I can think of on this site and TOP. Ofcouruse there's a chance that I'm wrong about them but at this moment I consider them dangerous so maybe that's why I'm telling you this. Just some food for thought incase I'm right. If Im wrong I think I'll be able to deal with the humiliation but I'd rather be safe than sorry.

That is a little crazy to say that
considering I don't know any of these people
For Real, and from the
experiences that I have had
with the ones I have gotten to know
and the one I am having right now, I
think its wise not to even
get involved in Whatever
This is, see ya

Last Edited by Le Palma on 02/13/2012 09:01 AM

4 stars and a pin for you!

Yes, like in Desloge, Park Hills. The most beautiful place is further south, around Arcadia. I've visited Ironton nearby. A shop owner told me Japanese businessmen are buying up land there.

This from wikipedia-

"Fillmore appointed Brigham Young as the first governor of the Utah Territory in 1850.[15] In gratitude for creating the Utah Territory in 1850 and appointing Brigham Young as governor, Young named the territorial capital "Fillmore" and the surrounding county "Millard".[16]"

Fillmore, the 13th president, was the subject of the "bathtub hoax". HL Mencken told a story that Fillmore installed the first bathtub in the white house.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Fillmore was Zachary Taylor's Vice-President, nominated in 1848. He became President when Taylor died in 1850.

Millard/Mencken/48 and bathtubs. Someone on one of the Whitney Houston threads was making the point that her name is almost "white house".

Mencken's explanation of the hoax, set in the time of WW1-

"Mencken wished to demonstrate the dramatic inaccuracies of many newspaper accounts, which are too often swallowed whole by uncritical readers. This phenomenon is especially prevalent in periods of war, when great efforts are made to stir the public’s emotions so that it unquestioningly supports the government’s policies. When reading accounts of war, it is valuable to consider Mencken’s estimate that “probably not one per cent” of it is true."

[link to www.thefreemanonline.org]

PB says it succinctly. His latest book is called suicide of a superpower.

[link to www.humanevents.com]

"Is such a war in America's interests? Consider.

While U.S. air and naval power would prevail, Iranian civilians would die, as some of their nuclear facilities are in populated areas. Moreover, we cannot kill the nuclear knowledge Iran has gained. Thus we would only set back their nuclear program by several years. And a bloodied and beaten Iran would then go all-out for a bomb.

The regime, behind which its people would rally, would emerge even more entrenched. U.S. bombing did not cause Germans to remove Hitler or Japanese to depose their emperor. And we lack the ground troops to invade and occupy a country three times the size of Iraq.

All U.S. ships, including carriers in that bathtub the Persian Gulf, would be at risk from shore-based anti-ship missiles and the hundreds of missile boats in Iran's navy. Any sea battle would send oil prices to $200 and $300 a barrel. There goes the eurozone.

Hezbollah in Lebanon, the Shia of the Saudi oil fields and Bahrain, home port to the Fifth Fleet, and Iranian agents in Afghanistan and Iraq could set the region aflame.

As America started up the road to Baghdad in 2003, Gen. David Petraeus is said to have asked, "Tell me how this ends."

Before some agent provocateur pushes us into war with Iran, Congress should debate the wisdom of authorizing President Obama, or anyone else, to take America into her fifth war in a generation in the Middle and Near East.

Did you catch all that before I deleted it?

Last Edited by Alesiah on 02/13/2012 12:21 PM

This is all correct info, thanks for posting it.

The reason this land was not called Canaan, the land of milk and honey is because...of the significance..
Both milk and honey are female products mind you..but from two different kingdom types.. of one extreme to another..

The "Bee Kingdom" is a female dominated rule in which the male suffers....One Queen, the males are used up then tossed out..
The "Milk Kingdom" is a Male dominated rule in which the female suffers..One Male, heard of females mammals..polygomy
Google it..

This is the land of the Eagle..
It represents a Kingdom where males and females are equal, and they both benefit..One male and female mates for life and they both work to care for their young..
equality for both the male and female. or that was the intent..

I'm not accusing you of being apart of something bad. I think most of us hear believe in things like phycic attacks and things like that. I have thought for over a year now that the two members I'm referring to are apart of that kind of stuff and I happened to see them on your friends list. It felt like my duty to atleast inform you. Let me ask you a question LaPalma, if there is any truth to what I said wouldn't you want want to know ?