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Do religious people understand that if they were born in another country-then they would probably be a different religion?

 
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Do religious people understand that if they were born in another country-then they would probably be a different religion?
This guy I used to know told me only Christians got into heaven-everyone else goes to hell. I asked him about people that were born in other countries where everyone is Muslim or Hindu or whatever. He said they were all going to hell. I asked him about tribal people who had never heard of Christianity. Same thing-burning in hell.

I believe in God. I am not religious though. I don't understand how people can believe they are right but everyone else who ever lived are wrong.

I'm not arguing, I'm trying to understand.
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it just kills religious people to admit this. by doing so they lose their ego or superiority complex.
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Yea lol this is true. its funny because muslims and christians see there way as 100% right but it a american christian was born in like iran theyd be screaming allahu akbar
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Yes, we realize this. But..we weren't, and we aren't. One word - predestination.
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Re: Do religious people understand that if they were born in another country-then they would probably be a different religion?
This guy I used to know told me only Christians got into heaven-everyone else goes to hell. I asked him about people that were born in other countries where everyone is Muslim or Hindu or whatever. He said they were all going to hell. I asked him about tribal people who had never heard of Christianity. Same thing-burning in hell.

I believe in God. I am not religious though. I don't understand how people can believe they are right but everyone else who ever lived are wrong.

I'm not arguing, I'm trying to understand.
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God and his counsel see to all who contain great faith. SImple as that.

Even in Catholocism, the Catechism states:

[link to www.scborromeo.org]

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338

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I am not Catholic, yet. But I do have a personal relationship with God, and that is what He revealed to me.
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Yes, we realize this. But..we weren't, and we aren't. One word - predestination.
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I knew one would say this.....so you're saying that if Saudi Arabia is like 99% muslim, then you'd have been the exception if you had been born there, right?

RIIIIIGHT
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The point of this arguement highlights the false education that is religion.
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Yes, we realize this. But..we weren't, and we aren't. One word - predestination.
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I knew one would say this.....so you're saying that if Saudi Arabia is like 99% muslim, then you'd have been the exception if you had been born there, right?

RIIIIIGHT
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No - not at all. I am saying that God was in control of my life even before I was born, and that he placed me here to be a believer in this place. He put my soul here and He made my faith possible.

If He had made me to be born in SA, and born into an muslim family, I would have been a muslim. Conversion is always a possibility, however.

This is where the idea "there but by the grace of God go I" idea comes from.

You might want to study some of the writing of John Calvin.
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Yes, we realize this. But..we weren't, and we aren't. One word - predestination.
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I knew one would say this.....so you're saying that if Saudi Arabia is like 99% muslim, then you'd have been the exception if you had been born there, right?

RIIIIIGHT
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No - not at all. I am saying that God was in control of my life even before I was born, and that he placed me here to be a believer in this place. He put my soul here and He made my faith possible.

If He had made me to be born in SA, and born into an muslim family, I would have been a muslim. Conversion is always a possibility, however.

This is where the idea "there but by the grace of God go I" idea comes from.

You might want to study some of the writing of John Calvin.
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so you have such a massive ego that not only did you pick the right religion, but god placed you in a position to make sure you picked the right religion by putting your birthplace in a most favorable location? geez, the arrogance.
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There are many Christians all over the world. Its not just an "ARead a bookmerican" thing.
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Yes, we realize this. But..we weren't, and we aren't. One word - predestination.
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I knew one would say this.....so you're saying that if Saudi Arabia is like 99% muslim, then you'd have been the exception if you had been born there, right?

RIIIIIGHT
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1432018


No - not at all. I am saying that God was in control of my life even before I was born, and that he placed me here to be a believer in this place. He put my soul here and He made my faith possible.

If He had made me to be born in SA, and born into an muslim family, I would have been a muslim. Conversion is always a possibility, however.

This is where the idea "there but by the grace of God go I" idea comes from.

You might want to study some of the writing of John Calvin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32614646


so you have such a massive ego that not only did you pick the right religion, but god placed you in a position to make sure you picked the right religion by putting your birthplace in a most favorable location? geez, the arrogance.
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He clearly stated "God was in control of my life even before I was born". Not seeing the massive ego or arrogance at all in that statement.
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Yes, we realize this. But..we weren't, and we aren't. One word - predestination.
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I knew one would say this.....so you're saying that if Saudi Arabia is like 99% muslim, then you'd have been the exception if you had been born there, right?

RIIIIIGHT
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1432018


No - not at all. I am saying that God was in control of my life even before I was born, and that he placed me here to be a believer in this place. He put my soul here and He made my faith possible.

If He had made me to be born in SA, and born into an muslim family, I would have been a muslim. Conversion is always a possibility, however.

This is where the idea "there but by the grace of God go I" idea comes from.

You might want to study some of the writing of John Calvin.
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so you have such a massive ego that not only did you pick the right religion, but god placed you in a position to make sure you picked the right religion by putting your birthplace in a most favorable location? geez, the arrogance.
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I didn't do anything - He did. Left to my own devices, I'm sure that I would have picked the very worst for myself. In real life, I hope that you wouldn't find me to be arrogant. A Bible passage that I try to remember everyday is this:

Luke 12

47 “And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes,48 but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.
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Here's a joke that a Catholic priest told me a few years ago...

A man dies and goes to Heaven where he's met by Peter and told he can go anywhere and do anything.

As Peter is showing him around they come across a very high wall so the man asks what's over there? Peter tells the man to ignore it and just look at all the wonderful places he can explore now.

They continue walking and the man can't believe how beautiful and peaceful everywhere is but he can't get the high wall out of his mind so he asks again and gets the same reply.

The man persists with asking what's behind the wall and reminds Peter that he said he could go anywhere and do anything now he was in Heaven.

Peter gives a sigh and says "You can go anywhere you like but not over the wall because that's where we keep the Catholics and they think they're the only ones up here"

Brilliantly told to me and my husband by my local priest because my husband is not Catholic. The priest retired a few years ago but we still love that joke. He was a fantastic priest - not fanatical about Catholicism at all but quite willing to answer any 'tricky' questions anyone asked. Wonderful personality and so warm and friendly. A true man of Faith rather than banging people over the head with Catholicism. He believed different religions weren't a problem to God because ultimately all religions lead to God anyway. We all just have different ways of getting there.
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This guy I used to know told me only Christians got into heaven-everyone else goes to hell. I asked him about people that were born in other countries where everyone is Muslim or Hindu or whatever. He said they were all going to hell. I asked him about tribal people who had never heard of Christianity. Same thing-burning in hell.
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Well, if he had paid any attention at all to the Teaching of Jesus, he would have understood that he was most probably born in another country and had another religion in at least one of his previous lives, and will most probably be born in yet another country and have another different religion during at least one of his future lives.

Such self-righteous arrogance is the natural consequence of ignoring the Truth about the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

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You don't go to Hell because you aren't a Christian. You go to Hell because of your sin. You will give an account for every word, thought, and deed, and just one sin is all it takes (and we all do that every day many times over, no matter what religion you are or aren't). The only way to go to Heaven is by meeting God's requirement=perfection. Since none of us can or will meet that, we are all doomed. Unless you find a SUBSTITUTE. That is where Jesus Christ of Nazareth comes in. He DID live a perfect, sinless life, but died anyway. He died as a SUBSTITUTE for those that HE as God chose, before the foundations of the world.
That is the Biblical answer at least, and I believe it. There is no problem with the question of "what about those who have never heard of Jesus" at all. They, like all of us, have sinned and will therefore pay the price (the second death, aka Hell) unless they find a SUBSTITUTE. God made all of us, HE can decide what HE wants to do with HIS Creation, and that includes judging and punishing them for disobedience.
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You don't go to Hell because you aren't a Christian. You go to Hell because of your sin.
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Maybe according to the Satanic doctrines of Paul.

But not according to the Teaching of Jesus.

Michael
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This guy I used to know told me only Christians got into heaven-everyone else goes to hell. I asked him about people that were born in other countries where everyone is Muslim or Hindu or whatever. He said they were all going to hell. I asked him about tribal people who had never heard of Christianity. Same thing-burning in hell.
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Well, if he had paid any attention at all to the Teaching of Jesus, he would have understood that he was most probably born in another country and had another religion in at least one of his previous lives, and will most probably be born in yet another country and have another different religion during at least one of his future lives.

Such self-righteous arrogance is the natural consequence of ignoring the Truth about the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

Michael
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wait i'm confused now. Christians believe in reincarnation?
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Unless u live at the north pole or china/nork u can bet u most likely would end up a christian.... consider this...world pop 6.5B - # of christians? Over 3+B.
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This guy I used to know told me only Christians got into heaven-everyone else goes to hell. I asked him about people that were born in other countries where everyone is Muslim or Hindu or whatever. He said they were all going to hell. I asked him about tribal people who had never heard of Christianity. Same thing-burning in hell.
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Well, if he had paid any attention at all to the Teaching of Jesus, he would have understood that he was most probably born in another country and had another religion in at least one of his previous lives, and will most probably be born in yet another country and have another different religion during at least one of his future lives.

Such self-righteous arrogance is the natural consequence of ignoring the Truth about the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

Michael
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wait i'm confused now. Christians believe in reincarnation?
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No
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You don't go to Hell because you aren't a Christian. You go to Hell because of your sin.
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Maybe according to the Satanic doctrines of Paul.

But not according to the Teaching of Jesus.

Michael
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You are a pathetic deluded fool.
29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away! It is better to lose one of your members than to have your whole body thrown into hell. 30 If your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away! It is better to lose one of your members than to have your whole body go into hell (Matthew 5:27-30).


If your pride causes you to sin........
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This guy I used to know told me only Christians got into heaven-everyone else goes to hell. I asked him about people that were born in other countries where everyone is Muslim or Hindu or whatever. He said they were all going to hell. I asked him about tribal people who had never heard of Christianity. Same thing-burning in hell.

I believe in God. I am not religious though. I don't understand how people can believe they are right but everyone else who ever lived are wrong.

I'm not arguing, I'm trying to understand.
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That's not a religious community problem, that's the idiot guy you used to knows problem.
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It's called the Holy Spirit
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so if you're born in a south american rainforest and live there your whole life you're going to hell?
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You don't go to Hell because you aren't a Christian. You go to Hell because of your sin.
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Maybe according to the Satanic doctrines of Paul.

But not according to the Teaching of Jesus.

Michael
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40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 13:40-41

Michael, ye err for ye know not the Scriptures
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so if you're born in a south american rainforest and live there your whole life you're going to hell?
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If you sin, which we ALL do, then yes. UNLESS you have a SUBSTITUTE (of which there is only one: Jesus Christ of Nazareth)!

Am I not saying it clearly enough?
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so if you're born in a south american rainforest and live there your whole life you're going to hell?
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If you sin, which we ALL do, then yes. UNLESS you have a SUBSTITUTE (of which there is only one: Jesus Christ of Nazareth)!

Am I not saying it clearly enough?
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ok, how about all the many million or billions of people that lived before jesus came here? all in hell too?
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so if you're born in a south american rainforest and live there your whole life you're going to hell?
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No, see UnmannedAerialPilot's post above.
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so if you're born in a south american rainforest and live there your whole life you're going to hell?
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No, see UnmannedAerialPilot's post above.
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getting conflicting answers. y'all making this shit up as you go?
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This guy I used to know told me only Christians got into heaven-everyone else goes to hell. I asked him about people that were born in other countries where everyone is Muslim or Hindu or whatever. He said they were all going to hell. I asked him about tribal people who had never heard of Christianity. Same thing-burning in hell.

I believe in God. I am not religious though. I don't understand how people can believe they are right but everyone else who ever lived are wrong.

I'm not arguing, I'm trying to understand.
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Ego my friend ego, ppl who really understand god laugh at all religions.

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