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Do religious people understand that if they were born in another country-then they would probably be a different religion?

 
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Firstly, you are presuming a lot things. For example, Jesus and the disciples were JEWISH and born in ISRAEL and they were CHRISTIANS.
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"In 734 bc much of Galilee's Jewish population was exiled after the victory of the Assyrian king Tiglath-pileser III over the Israelite kingdom. Later, the region became known as Jesus boyhood home and, thereafter, the site of most of his public ministry."


So how do you know for *sure* that Jesus was "Jewish"?
Also, Israel didn't exist then.

Jesus had the Holy Spirit enter him, then started "preaching" for lack of a better term. This does not make him Jewish by birth.

A Christian is somebody who worships Christ.
Jesus didn't worship himself.


Jesus said to be his disciples and follow his words. Not to worship him. Not even to call him "master"!

(13) Jesus said to his disciples, "Compare me to someone and tell me whom I am like."
Simon Peter said to him, "You are like a righteous angel."
Matthew said to him, "You are like a wise philosopher."
Thomas said to him, "Master, my mouth is wholly incapable of saying whom you are like."
Jesus said, "I am not your master. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring which I have measured out."
And he took him and withdrew and told him three things. When Thomas returned to his companions, they asked him, "What did Jesus say to you?"
Thomas said to them, "If I tell you one of the things which he told me, you will pick up stones and throw them at me; a fire will come out of the stones and burn you up."



Jesus was himself in awe at what happened to him:

(29) Jesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, it is a wonder. But if spirit came into being because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders. Indeed, I am amazed at how this great wealth has made its home in this poverty."

That's pretty humble right there.
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'Do no harm..' all the rest is a child-like posturing.
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I like this "we should ask, if those who have never heard the gospel are indeed bound for heaven, why should we attempt to evangelize them? Wouldn't it be more prudent to just keep everyone in the dark? In fact, if you really draw this argument out to its logical conclusion, Jesus Christ would not have come to seek and save those who are lost, but to seek and lose those who are already saved! He would then not be the great Savior of the world; He would become its great destroyer."

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Here's a joke that a Catholic priest told me a few years ago...

A man dies and goes to Heaven where he's met by Peter and told he can go anywhere and do anything.

As Peter is showing him around they come across a very high wall so the man asks what's over there? Peter tells the man to ignore it and just look at all the wonderful places he can explore now.

They continue walking and the man can't believe how beautiful and peaceful everywhere is but he can't get the high wall out of his mind so he asks again and gets the same reply.

The man persists with asking what's behind the wall and reminds Peter that he said he could go anywhere and do anything now he was in Heaven.

Peter gives a sigh and says "You can go anywhere you like but not over the wall because that's where we keep the Catholics and they think they're the only ones up here"

Brilliantly told to me and my husband by my local priest because my husband is not Catholic. The priest retired a few years ago but we still love that joke. He was a fantastic priest - not fanatical about Catholicism at all but quite willing to answer any 'tricky' questions anyone asked. Wonderful personality and so warm and friendly. A true man of Faith rather than banging people over the head with Catholicism. He believed different religions weren't a problem to God because ultimately all religions lead to God anyway. We all just have different ways of getting there.

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Well said. =)
 Quoting: Pole Cat


All the holy texts have almost impossibly similar accounts and stories (ie. great flood, etc.) These have been passed down for generations and vary geographically. Christians would be shocked to know how similar the Koran is to the bible. My point:
There are likely many paths to get to the same destination.
And to the AC that said "well I wouldn't be in some hate-filled religion like Islam." you have shown your ass. Actually read the Koran before you criticize. Extremists exist in every religion. What about all the abortion clinics blown up by Christians...innocent people killed that were simply walking by the building and not even going inside?
I claim no religion personally, but I was raised Christian. I'm just spiritual now
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Michael, ye err for ye know not the Scriptures
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Explain word by word and phrase by phrase the reply of Jesus to the Sadducees in the Gospel of Luke and the function it performs for the argument; and why it was the Sadducees who asked the question about the doctrine of the Pharisees rather than the Pharisees themselves.

You don't have ONE clue about the Teaching of Jesus.

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If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them. James 4:17

So - what is your sin? What good are you not doing? That is what you need to work on. If you embrace what you know is not right and allow it to take over, then be wary of what greets you on the other side.

The Bible is true

God is just

Prepare yourself - for this life is just a blink in eternity, but it is so very important
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Re: Do religious people understand that if they were born in another country-then they would probably be a different religion?
this thread doesn't need to be an attack on Christians. i'd like to hear from some muslims too. do you think you'd be muslim today if you had been born into an American Christian family?
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The person who told you that is completely misguided and/or has been led by a misguided minister who is interpreting the word of God in his or her own manner. As someone else mentioned, it is by our sin that we are judged. We are also judged by what we know or don't know. If someone has never heard the Word of God, well then they can't be judged based on knowing how to live by that Word, can they?

As we were created by God, we have a basic understanding and longing for God within us. All religions are an attempt to get to that Truth within us. Therefore, you can be a good person and live a good life without being Christian. However, a life of knowing Christ gives us such an access to the full truth and the source of life that we want to share it with others.
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Re: Do religious people understand that if they were born in another country-then they would probably be a different religion?
Yet....most non religious peoples posts here are judgemental of the religious.
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2+2=4, not 5.

Christianity is the teaching of Paul, not the Teaching of Jesus.

If you want to follow Paul, go ahead.

Just don't claim that you are following the Teaching of Jesus.

That's all.

Michael
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Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
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Here's a joke that a Catholic priest told me a few years ago...

A man dies and goes to Heaven where he's met by Peter and told he can go anywhere and do anything.

As Peter is showing him around they come across a very high wall so the man asks what's over there? Peter tells the man to ignore it and just look at all the wonderful places he can explore now.

They continue walking and the man can't believe how beautiful and peaceful everywhere is but he can't get the high wall out of his mind so he asks again and gets the same reply.

The man persists with asking what's behind the wall and reminds Peter that he said he could go anywhere and do anything now he was in Heaven.

Peter gives a sigh and says "You can go anywhere you like but not over the wall because that's where we keep the Catholics and they think they're the only ones up here"

Brilliantly told to me and my husband by my local priest because my husband is not Catholic. The priest retired a few years ago but we still love that joke. He was a fantastic priest - not fanatical about Catholicism at all but quite willing to answer any 'tricky' questions anyone asked. Wonderful personality and so warm and friendly. A true man of Faith rather than banging people over the head with Catholicism. He believed different religions weren't a problem to God because ultimately all religions lead to God anyway. We all just have different ways of getting there.

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Well said. =)
 Quoting: Pole Cat


All the holy texts have almost impossibly similar accounts and stories (ie. great flood, etc.) These have been passed down for generations and vary geographically. Christians would be shocked to know how similar the Koran is to the bible. My point:
There are likely many paths to get to the same destination.
And to the AC that said "well I wouldn't be in some hate-filled religion like Islam." you have shown your ass. Actually read the Koran before you criticize. Extremists exist in every religion. What about all the abortion clinics blown up by Christians...innocent people killed that were simply walking by the building and not even going inside?
I claim no religion personally, but I was raised Christian. I'm just spiritual now
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18590691


Good points. What about the Christians who protest funerals and burn Korans? I was raised Christian also and I don't remember anything about Jesus saying act like an ass during another person grief or mock others religion.

Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet.

There's a whole lot of hoecky human ego in these religion debates. Some seem to forget love thy brother as thyself and don't judge others. What you give will return....etc.
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That's why missionaries are so important.
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Here's a joke that a Catholic priest told me a few years ago...

A man dies and goes to Heaven where he's met by Peter and told he can go anywhere and do anything.

As Peter is showing him around they come across a very high wall so the man asks what's over there? Peter tells the man to ignore it and just look at all the wonderful places he can explore now.

They continue walking and the man can't believe how beautiful and peaceful everywhere is but he can't get the high wall out of his mind so he asks again and gets the same reply.

The man persists with asking what's behind the wall and reminds Peter that he said he could go anywhere and do anything now he was in Heaven.

Peter gives a sigh and says "You can go anywhere you like but not over the wall because that's where we keep the Catholics and they think they're the only ones up here"

Brilliantly told to me and my husband by my local priest because my husband is not Catholic. The priest retired a few years ago but we still love that joke. He was a fantastic priest - not fanatical about Catholicism at all but quite willing to answer any 'tricky' questions anyone asked. Wonderful personality and so warm and friendly. A true man of Faith rather than banging people over the head with Catholicism. He believed different religions weren't a problem to God because ultimately all religions lead to God anyway. We all just have different ways of getting there.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26483148



Well said. =)
 Quoting: Pole Cat


All the holy texts have almost impossibly similar accounts and stories (ie. great flood, etc.) These have been passed down for generations and vary geographically. Christians would be shocked to know how similar the Koran is to the bible. My point:
There are likely many paths to get to the same destination.
And to the AC that said "well I wouldn't be in some hate-filled religion like Islam." you have shown your ass. Actually read the Koran before you criticize. Extremists exist in every religion. What about all the abortion clinics blown up by Christians...innocent people killed that were simply walking by the building and not even going inside?
I claim no religion personally, but I was raised Christian. I'm just spiritual now
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Good points. What about the Christians who protest funerals and burn Korans? I was raised Christian also and I don't remember anything about Jesus saying act like an ass during another person grief or mock others religion.

Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet.

There's a whole lot of hoecky human ego in these religion debates. Some seem to forget love thy brother as thyself and don't judge others. What you give will return....etc.
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Absolutely those people are not being a light for Jesus Christ
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That's why missionaries are so important.
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^^^Precisely
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Simple souls need religion. Eventually they graduate from the stranglehold of churches.
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Funny how the biggest complaint from the non religious about the religious is that they are judgemental....

Yet....most non religious peoples posts here are judgemental of the religious.

Too many people on their high horse around here.
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:this1:
 Quoting: The Comedian


This^
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Yet....most non religious peoples posts here are judgemental of the religious.
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2+2=4, not 5.

Christianity is the teaching of Paul, not the Teaching of Jesus.

If you want to follow Paul, go ahead.

Just don't claim that you are following the Teaching of Jesus.

That's all.

Michael
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Well, I'm a Christian and follow the teachings of Jesus as well as Paul's interpretation of the teachings of Jesus. What are you going to do about it?

Apparently someone needs to learn a little bit about the sin of pride.
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I was not born in a different country, because my ancestors made decisions to honor God that benefitted me. God is faithful to keep his promises.
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Romans 2:14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.

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That's why missionaries are so important.
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Humans created the importance of missionaries.
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As we were created by God...
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What do you mean by the word "we"?

The consciousness of my "self" and my 'thinker' were NOT Created by God. They were self-created, the consciousness of the "self" originating in the 'movement' of self-reflection and the consciousness of the 'thinker' 'thinking' itself into existence. That is, they are of the 'fallen' or the dualistic consciousness.

There is only one dimension of human consciousness that was Created by God; a dimension of consciousness prior to the existence of the 'fallen' consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker'.

Michael
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That's why missionaries are so important.
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Humans' depravity created the importance of missionaries.
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You missed a word^^^
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As we were created by God...
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What do you mean by the word "we"?

The consciousness of my "self" and my 'thinker' were NOT Created by God. They were self-created, the consciousness of the "self" originating in the 'movement' of self-reflection and the consciousness of the 'thinker' 'thinking' itself into existence. That is, they are of the 'fallen' or the dualistic consciousness.

There is only one dimension of human consciousness that was Created by God; a dimension of consciousness prior to the existence of the 'fallen' consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker'.

Michael
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Prove it
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No, they do not understand that. Mind control has that effect.

When you were born you had no beliefs, you were curious, you were open, but beliefs were imposed on you by parents, teachers, religious leaders etc. And it is these people, who are unconsciously the source of ignorance.
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That's why missionaries are so important.
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Humans' depravity created the importance of missionaries.
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You missed a word^^^
 Quoting: SoulWinner 910582


Human ego's who wanted to be thought of as heros. LOL
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Yet....most non religious peoples posts here are judgemental of the religious.
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2+2=4, not 5.

Christianity is the teaching of Paul, not the Teaching of Jesus.

If you want to follow Paul, go ahead.

Just don't claim that you are following the Teaching of Jesus.

That's all.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


Well, I'm a Christian and follow the teachings of Jesus as well as Paul's interpretation of the teachings of Jesus. What are you going to do about it?

Apparently someone needs to learn a little bit about the sin of pride.
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Well, Jesus himself said that you "cannot serve two masters". Or have you never read that?

And that means that you cannot follow the Teaching of Jesus and the teaching of Paul at the same time.

And, if you do not see any difference between the Teaching of Jesus and the teaching of Paul, no one can help you until you do.

Michael
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Yes, we realize this. But..we weren't, and we aren't. One word - predestination.
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I knew one would say this.....so you're saying that if Saudi Arabia is like 99% muslim, then you'd have been the exception if you had been born there, right?

RIIIIIGHT
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1432018


No - not at all. I am saying that God was in control of my life even before I was born, and that he placed me here to be a believer in this place. He put my soul here and He made my faith possible.

If He had made me to be born in SA, and born into an muslim family, I would have been a muslim. Conversion is always a possibility, however.

This is where the idea "there but by the grace of God go I" idea comes from.

You might want to study some of the writing of John Calvin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32614646


I think it is important to point out that this is a very Calvinistic doctrine - it is certainly NOT the view of all Christians. Thank you for pointing it out, but please keep in mind going forward that there is only a certain segment of 'Christian' populations that believe in predestination. I was raised in a Calvinist tradition and, technically, was taught this I guess, but I don't recall ever really believing it could be how God works. Thankfully I have found the Catholic Church.
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No, they do not understand that. Mind control has that effect.

When you were born you had no beliefs, you were curious, you were open, but beliefs were imposed on you by parents, teachers, religious leaders etc. And it is these people, who are unconsciously the source of ignorance.
 Quoting: beebee


Case in point: Canada was once an overtly Christian nation.
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As we were created by God...
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What do you mean by the word "we"?

The consciousness of my "self" and my 'thinker' were NOT Created by God. They were self-created, the consciousness of the "self" originating in the 'movement' of self-reflection and the consciousness of the 'thinker' 'thinking' itself into existence. That is, they are of the 'fallen' or the dualistic consciousness.

There is only one dimension of human consciousness that was Created by God; a dimension of consciousness prior to the existence of the 'fallen' consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker'.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


Prove it
 Quoting: SoulWinner 910582


Prove that there are three states of water: water, ice and steam.

It is not a logical procedure. It is something that can be observed.

The three dimensions of consciousness are something that can be observed.

Michael
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That's why missionaries are so important.
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Humans' depravity created the importance of missionaries.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30879308


You missed a word^^^
 Quoting: SoulWinner 910582


Human ego's who wanted to be thought of as heros. LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30879308


That's judgmental and intolerant, don't you think? ;)
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Your answer is NO!
"I think, therefore I am..."
René Descartes

"I don't think, therefore I am not..."
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