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Usury is against Biblical law, Capitalism is immoral.

 
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Usury or gaining interest on what the rich give to the poor is against the law and spirit of the Lord. The rich like the scribes and pharisees and perverted oppressors that they are circumvent this immorality by pretending to be bankers and well healed sucessful business types. Yet capitalism is usury, corporations are heartless mamom that destroy individuals for the sake of profits or usury for the rich.

Reserve Banks are counterfeiters, who make money out of blank paper and then lend it out for indebtedness to them whether to people or governments. Why, the borrowerer is SERVANT to the lender.

The rich do not want to just get rich and rich and richer, but want the poor to literally serve them. And when they get too many servants THEN they want to depopulate the Earth of too many slaves.

Jesus opposes captitalism and usury and reserve banks and the doctrine of the church system that godliness is gain and capitalism.


25 " If you lend money to any of My people who are poor among you, you shall not be like a moneylender to him; you shall not charge him interest.
26 "If you ever take your neighbor's garment as a pledge, you shall return it to him before the sun goes down.
27 "For that is his only covering, it is his garment for his skin. What will he sleep in? And it will be that when he cries to Me, I will hear, for I am gracious. (Exodus 22:25-27)
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35 ' If one of your brethren becomes poor, and falls into poverty among you, then you shall help him, like a stranger or a sojourner, that he may live with you.
36 'Take no usury or interest from him; but fear your God, that your brother may live with you.
37 'You shall not lend him your money for usury, nor lend him your food at a profit. (Leviticus 25:35-37)
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19 " You shall not charge interest to your brother -- interest on money or food or anything that is lent out at interest.
20 "To a foreigner you may charge interest, but to your brother you shall not charge interest, that the LORD your God may bless you in all to which you set your hand in the land which you are entering to possess. (Deuteronomy 23:19,20)
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And the evil ones, will say their money has to work for them (so they do not have to work) They will say, that they do not take usury from their family members, only from strangers and not their neighbors.

They excuse their perfidity but the Lord will judge them accordingly. You are never ever never suppose to steal from the poor and take away their bread and houses.

Usury is stealing, give to the poor and do not ask recompense. Just give.

They can reimburse the sum if they have it or get it, but never extra, never steal from the poor like the bankers. and corporate giants.

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If you are not a whoosie... read the whole chapter of Nahum concerning the evil merchants and their buying and selling and fornication... and how the Lord brought this little Babylon down


Nahum 3
1Woe to the bloody city! it is all full of lies and robbery; the prey departeth not;

2The noise of a whip, and the noise of the rattling of the wheels, and of the pransing horses, and of the jumping chariots.

3The horseman lifteth up both the bright sword and the glittering spear: and there is a multitude of slain, and a great number of carcases; and there is none end of their corpses; they stumble upon their corpses:

4Because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the wellfavoured harlot, the mistress of witchcrafts, that selleth nations through her whoredoms, and families through her witchcrafts.

5Behold, I am against thee, saith the LORD of hosts; and I will discover thy skirts upon thy face, and I will shew the nations thy nakedness, and the kingdoms thy shame.

6And I will cast abominable filth upon thee, and make thee vile, and will set thee as a gazingstock.

7And it shall come to pass, that all they that look upon thee shall flee from thee, and say, Nineveh is laid waste: who will bemoan her? whence shall I seek comforters for thee?

8Art thou better than populous No, that was situate among the rivers, that had the waters round about it, whose rampart was the sea, and her wall was from the sea?

9Ethiopia and Egypt were her strength, and it was infinite; Put and Lubim were thy helpers.

10Yet was she carried away, she went into captivity: her young children also were dashed in pieces at the top of all the streets: and they cast lots for her honourable men, and all her great men were bound in chains.

11Thou also shalt be drunken: thou shalt be hid, thou also shalt seek strength because of the enemy.

12All thy strong holds shall be like fig trees with the firstripe figs: if they be shaken, they shall even fall into the mouth of the eater.

13Behold, thy people in the midst of thee are women: the gates of thy land shall be set wide open unto thine enemies: the fire shall devour thy bars.

14Draw thee waters for the siege, fortify thy strong holds: go into clay, and tread the morter, make strong the brickkiln.

15There shall the fire devour thee; the sword shall cut thee off, it shall eat thee up like the cankerworm: make thyself many as the cankerworm, make thyself many as the locusts.

16Thou hast multiplied thy merchants above the stars of heaven: the cankerworm spoileth, and fleeth away.
17Thy crowned are as the locusts, and thy captains as the great grasshoppers, which camp in the hedges in the cold day, but when the sun ariseth they flee away, and their place is not known where they are.
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And the scared and running capitalist will say they build the houses and they have a right to charge usury to those that need housing...and hence can sell them mortgages and then .... kick them out when their usury payments fail

Or as Jesus said about these self righteous scribes and pharisees called bankers..

14Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
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What does usury have to do with capitalism. Vulture banking is immoral, not making better mousetraps to sell.
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What does usury have to do with capitalism. Vulture banking is immoral, not making better mousetraps to sell.
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This.

Capitalism is property rights.

Usury has nothing to do with it and generally only exists in crony markets.
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And, thanks for speaking / preaching against usury.
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Most Christians realized usury was a sin til about the year 1400.


Up to about that year usury was considered Equal to Murder.


Then, an interesting thing happened in central Italy between 1400-1500.


The elites at the time created a Philosphy called Humanism.

Humanism said it's ok to do wahtever you feel like doing, ignore God.

This philosophy paved the way for the banks of Central italy at the time.

Which was the creation the modern international banking that we see today.

By the year 1500 lending at interest had become no big deal.

Something that 100 years earlier was considered by most people as equal to murder.


Now, there is hardly a word spoken against usury.


Usury is like mother's milk.

They cant get enough of it.

Our whole society is built on it.

Is based on it. Like a bedrock.

Something God says is a sin equal to murder.

And, it is our society's foundation stone.


And, the so called preachers would tremble to say a single word above their breath against usury.
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Did you buy a home or do you rent?

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Usury has to do with lending of money. Capitalism is the willing buying and selling of goods and services.

OP - Please find a dictionary before you start condemning things. Usury is wrong, but capitalism is just.
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Did you buy a home or do you rent?

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yeah, that's how a lot of people got hooked in...have to j
have a home, don't you?

but, islamists dont engage in usury, and yet they have real estate development.

makes you wonder what's behind the whole "islam vs jewish bankers" conflict. maybe more to lose here than access to oil.
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Do not take interest of any kind from him, but fear your God, so that your countryman may continue to live among you. Leviticus 25:37 You must not lend him money at interest or sell him food at a profit.


Deuteronomy 15:9 Be careful not to harbor this wicked thought: ""The seventh year, the year for canceling debts, is near,"" so that you do not show ill will toward your needy brother and give him nothing. He may then appeal to the LORD against you, and you will be found guilty of sin.

… so that none of my people will be separated from his property. Ez 46:18

Habakkuk 2:6 "Will not all of them taunt him with ridicule and scorn, saying, "'Woe to him who piles up stolen goods and makes himself wealthy by extortion! How long must this go on?'

... the ransom for a life is costly, no payment is ever enough Psalm 49:8

What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self? Luke 9:25 Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? Matthew 16:26 For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it. Matthew 16:25

Proverbs 11:28 Whoever trusts in his riches will fall, but the righteous will thrive like a green leaf.




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What does usury have to do with capitalism. Vulture banking is immoral, not making better mousetraps to sell.
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This.

Capitalism is property rights.

Usury has nothing to do with it and generally only exists in crony markets.
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No, you are trying to compare capitalism as the alternative and only alternative to communism. Focus focus.

Property rights is what capitalism fights tooth and nail. They do not want people to own their homes and properties. They want people to rent and pay interest on money they make from nothing and lend out to them.

Property rights are property rights, and when people do not steal from the poor, then property rights exist. When the rich elite steal and are condoned by most people for stealing, then you have no property rights, and the police force of the rich expels people and widows from their homes.
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And, thanks for speaking / preaching against usury.
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Welcome, but what people forget is that it is a BASIC of Christianity. WHY because the false church system has adopted materialism as part of churchianity, and state categorically that the rich are blessed and better and more Christian than the poor. This helping them, in their materialistic pursuits and in promoting wars against their neighbors for self interest and further gain.
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Most Christians realized usury was a sin til about the year 1400.


Up to about that year usury was considered Equal to Murder.


Then, an interesting thing happened in central Italy between 1400-1500.


The elites at the time created a Philosphy called Humanism.

Humanism said it's ok to do wahtever you feel like doing, ignore God.

This philosophy paved the way for the banks of Central italy at the time.

Which was the creation the modern international banking that we see today.

By the year 1500 lending at interest had become no big deal.

Something that 100 years earlier was considered by most people as equal to murder.


Now, there is hardly a word spoken against usury.


Usury is like mother's milk.

They cant get enough of it.

Our whole society is built on it.

Is based on it. Like a bedrock.

Something God says is a sin equal to murder.

And, it is our society's foundation stone.


And, the so called preachers would tremble to say a single word above their breath against usury.
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Thanks for the history and truth.

The Lord says work but do not let your riches of work work for you by lending it out to the poor so that you no longer have to work but just collect interest and money from the labour of the poor working people that have had money lent to them.
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And because of what you said, people now days in many cases do not or can not understand a world where there is no evil usury and hence they say it is good. WHY probably because they have sufficient money to lend out to others in usury.

(IE stock market etc…. whereas the Lord distinctly and exactly set the prices of commodities in the Bible. Read it and understand it as the Lord did NOT want the poor imprisoned into debt, and did not want the rich to manipulate food prices and so the LORD SET the price exactly)
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good. now if you'd like to hand in all that you have that is a product of this usury and capitalism you find so immoral, you can live the good life you want. that will be your house, your TV, your computer, your car; you may not use the railroads, or buses, electricity water supply (unless from your own well), all of which used capital to be created.

good luck.
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Did you buy a home or do you rent?

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The above snide remark is from Perf, he is biter and frustrated and always on cue, no matter what I write, speaks against it, in opposition because he has no values whatsoever.

And hates it when he is outnumbered by the rational logical historical, and scripturial confirmations.
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Did you buy a home or do you rent?

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yeah, that's how a lot of people got hooked in...have to j
have a home, don't you?

but, islamists dont engage in usury, and yet they have real estate development.

makes you wonder what's behind the whole "islam vs jewish bankers" conflict. maybe more to lose here than access to oil.
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Exactly, RIGHT ON.

Gadafhi gave his newly married couples a home and money to start their lives. But he violated the rules and wanted to go against the dollar and the Federal reserve System of the bankers and so they had him attacked and overthrown and now the federal Reserve banking system , I mean the private Rothschild banking system is in place. This is exactly why Syria and Iran must be attacked and brought to their knews...banking banking banking, usury money , enslavement
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Capitalism is the giving of capital or money for interest. It is the setting up of heartless corporations that sell stocks to capitalists so the investors can reap interest from their capital at the expense of whoever gets in the way of the corporations. It is heartless mammon to the max. It destroys whole countries, it is by interest that the dam evil bankers counterfeit money through the Federal reserve System and lend it out to taxpayers to indebt a whole country through their national debt so that tax payers have to pay and pay and pay the rich private banking system called the theiving Federal Reserve Banks.

Capitalism is based on interest, capitalism is usury.

The borrower is slave to the ‘lender’, It is a way of stealing from the poor and those who work. The rich do not want to work, they want riches so they do not have to work. They want to enslave others and the capitalist system enables them to do so.

Please little sunflower, get in the real world and stop reading capitalist dictionaries that excuse its evils. Thanks little sunflower.
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You're using Sharia law.. trying to claim it's Biblical law.. they're opposites.
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good. now if you'd like to hand in all that you have that is a product of this usury and capitalism you find so immoral, you can live the good life you want. that will be your house, your TV, your computer, your car; you may not use the railroads, or buses, electricity water supply (unless from your own well), all of which used capital to be created.

good luck.
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OK, I have lived on essentials in much better loving societies than the hard cold West which loves money over people. They promises wealth, and yet need the poor to work for them. For the super rich and capitalism only works when they can enslave enough poor working people to keep giving them their usury money. Everyone can not be rich. The rich need the poor to work for them.

But Yes, your capitalism is your god, and you shall cry aloud and wail in honour when your babylon falls, is falling...as stated clearly in revealtion and it will be no more.

And then a greater dictator shall rule and take your soul as you worship your materialistic god to the End.

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You're using Sharia law.. trying to claim it's Biblical law.. they're opposites.
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Enough already.

Usury is usury. Mohammed read the Old Testament. Muslim law is against usury, good on them as it was a BASIC Biblical Law of the Lord.

God bless the Muslims if they follow this law against usury, but most don;t as most are pro-usury if they have enough money to oppress and enslave. It is a temptation of the heart to suppress, oppress, and want more and more. It is the basic law against stealing straight from the Lord. Do not steal from your neighbors or anyone.

It’s a basic in all law. Forget trying to make it a Muslim versus Biblical law. Be against usury, and stop making it racially or an ethnic principle.
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what is realy interesting is how the federal reserve works... I lends out money for interest which it creates out of nothing then charges interest, and if the loan defaults it charges the US tax payer for its loss... the whole thing is a house of cards scam. Its actually not free enterprise that is the problem. It is banking... If you build a product and sell it, it is not usury. Only when you finance it on a credit card dose it become a sin... credit cards should be illeagle...
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Exactly but is this taught in UNiversities which is bought and paid for by capitalist to produce workers and indebted salves. NO.

Econmic schools do not teach this, but capitalism is engrained in the hearts of the workers that it is good and beneficial and necessary to keep them alive. And so when asked, know nothing about the Federal Reserve Bank. They think it is the Bank of their country. NO, it is the Bank of the rich elite, a PRIVATE BANK of the bankers. These bankers having given themselves the right to counterfeit new money and just print it up, and give it out to governments at interest, so they make both the principal amount of their counterfeit currency but also interest on top of it, so that the government will always be indebted to it, so they can enslave governments which they have done.
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Universities do not teach truths, they teach what helps and profits those that control the money and power. Do not worship Universities or their graduates. Think for yourself and find out truths for yourself.

Start with the Federal Reserve Banking System, when it comes to evil economies

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There is absolute capitalism and responsible capitalism.

taking more than you give or absolute capitalism is teh same as chopping down tress faster than they regrow.

This is also known as plunder and is teh basis of usury. usury.

Responsible capitalism or sharing as equally as possible is the same as chopping down trees as fast as or slower than they regrow.

absolute capitalism is considered evil because chopping down trees faster than they regrow is systemically unsustainable.

Meaning that the method itself is the cause of the collapse.

once you choose to take more power than you give in order to sustain your existance...you basically have to postpone arrival at the logical conclusion of the take more than you give equation as long as possible.

If you stop taking more than you give before you run out in order to avoid the collapse...that is the same as running out and all you do is collapse at teh point at which you choose to stop.

but if you instead choose not to stop and continue until you run out...you collapse as well.

Absolute capitalism or taking more than you give is unsustainable.

but if you choose responsible capitalism...and chop down trees as fast as or slower than they regrow...

There is no possible systemic collapse...It's basically sustainable as long as trees exist...it's non usurious.

bascially that is why attachment of interest to money is mentioned as being negative or evil.

It's an example of taking more than you give or absolute capitalism which is unsustainable.

Eventualy a point is reached where it becomes impossible for the demand for yield to be supplied.

The demand for yield or exponential growth for dummies.

Or why taking more than you give or Usury is bad news.
taking more than you give is what the exponential function does.

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"When plunder (taking more than you give or absolute capitalism/usury) becomes a way of life for a group of men (absolute capitalists) living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal (rule) system that authorizes it and a moral code (religion) that glorifies it."--Frederic Bastiat.
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Where are the brave capitalists, have they no comeback, no response to enlighten the poor about the benefits of the rich enslaving the poor. For they also hate the middle class, for the middle class gets too close to them, and get too powerful. The middle class works, which is what the elite do not want to do. They want to count their money, look at balance sheets, give out orders. The rich are lazy and love their comforts.

They have been set up as the great ones of the Earth.
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