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IMPORTANT! - Fluoride Linked to #1 Cause of Death in New Research

 
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One wonders why the AMA never speaks out against obvious disease causing agents.

All the AMA ever does is push drugs that have many harmful side effects on the trusting sheeple.

One wonders if the AMA deserves the trust place in it.
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All you need to do, is look at the SYMBOL that the medical establishment uses. The "Caduceus", which was carried by Mercury, the messenger of the gods, guide of the dead and protector of merchants, shepherds, gamblers, liars, and thieves.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The symbol was adopted about a hundred years ago. About the same time that these "doctors" started putting the poison Mercury into various delivery methods.

Mercury truly is the perfect slow poison. Capable of creating al kinds of afflictions over time and none of it being traceable back to the mercury.

The dental profession uses it, and the medical profession uses it. Even though it was known to be a deadly poison, even 5,000 years ago!
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There is a proper way to use mercury in medicine that increases the efficacy of the meds 10 fold. This alchemical knowledge is now mostly lost. It needs to be added in just the right manner and proportion, or else the formula does indeed become toxic.

The traditional ayurvedic Kavirajas in India still know the trick and utilize it in Rasayanas like Markadvijya
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So obviouslly fluoride makes you docile and pro government and was used by Hitler to control people. Have you ever wondered why you're still anti government even though you have been consuming Fluoride all your life?
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One wonders why the AMA never speaks out against obvious disease causing agents.

All the AMA ever does is push drugs that have many harmful side effects on the trusting sheeple.

One wonders if the AMA deserves the trust place in it.
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I have worked in the med field for over 20 years, and EVERYBODY knows that the AMA is a very small group (less than 20% of all docs are members) that echoes what the government tells them. After all, they were FOR CommieCare.
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So obviouslly fluoride makes you docile and pro government and was used by Hitler to control people. Have you ever wondered why you're still anti government even though you have been consuming Fluoride all your life?
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There are too many variables to draw conclusions from that.

It's possible that some people need more fluroide than others to become docile.

To become docile, it's possible that the ingestion of fluoride has to be during a particular time window during development.

It's possible that the people here were lucky ones who just happened to live/grow up in cities with little or no flouridation in their water supply.

Etc. etc.

Come on, put on your critical thinking cap! You can DO it!
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Then intuit the government report I am looking at that discusses why we stopped mining to get around the Montreal Protocol and Act of 1990 by moving to the usage of it from industrial waste instead.

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As I asked...

Please just admit you can't show me (us) this alleged 'regulation' that disallows US mining of fluorspar......

popcorn
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I posted the article above. Call the owner of the company listed in the article and ask him for the copy that should be stored in his files.
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Snake go to usgs.gov and see the current minerals mine production/reserves report for fluorspar for US unless...they lie....
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Fluoridation: Don't Let the Poisonmongers Scare You
Bob Sprague
Mary Bernhardt
Stephen Barrett, M.D.
Fluoride is a mineral that occurs naturally in most water supplies. Fluoridation is the adjustment of the natural fluoride concentration to about one part of fluoride to one million parts of water. Although fluoridation is safe and effective in preventing tooth decay, the scare tactics of misguided poisonmongers have deprived many communities of its benefits.

The history of fluoridation in the United States underlines its unique standing as a public health measure copied from a natural phenomenon. In the early 1900s, Dr. Frederick S. McKay began an almost 30-year search for the cause of the staining of teeth that was prevalent in Colorado, where he practiced dentistry. In his investigation, McKay found the condition common in other states, including Texas, where it was known as "Texas teeth." In 1928, he concluded that such teeth, although stained, showed "a singular absence of decay," and that both the staining and the decay resistance were caused by something in the water. In 1931, the "something" was identified as fluoride.

The Public Health Service then took over to determine precisely what amount of fluoride in the water would prevent decay without causing staining. Years of "shoeleather epidemiology" by Dr. H. Trendley Dean traced the dental status of 7,000 children who drank naturally fluoridated water in 21 cities in four states. In 1943, he reported that the ideal amount of fluoride was one part per million parts of water. This concentration was demonstrated to result in healthy, attractive teeth that had one-third as many cavities as might otherwise be expected—and no staining.

The next step was to determine whether water engineering could copy nature's amazing dental health benefit. At several test sites, the fluoride concentration of the public water supply was adjusted to one part per million.

One such test was conducted in the neighboring cities of Newburgh and Kingston, New York. First, the children in both cities were examined by dentists and physicians; then fluoride was added to Newburgh's water supply. After ten years, the children of Newburgh had 58% fewer decayed teeth than those of nonfluoridated Kingston. The greatest benefits were obtained by children who had drunk the fluoridated water since birth. Other studies showed that teeth made stronger by fluoride during childhood would remain permanently resistant to decay. As the evidence supporting fluoridation accrued, thousands of communities acted to obtain its benefits.

Too much fluoride can cause dental fluorosis, which, in its mildest form, causes small, white, virtually invisible opaque areas on teeth. In severe form, fluorosis results in brownish mottling. However, dental fluorosis is not caused by artificial fluoridation, because the levels are kept low enough to avoid this effect.

In recent years, fluoridation has been reducing the incidence of cavities 20% to 40% in children and 15% to 35% in adults. The reduction is less than it used to be, probably due to improved dental hygiene and widespread use of fluoride toothpaste. Currently, more than 140 million Americans live in fluoridated communities. But 80 million others receive public water supplies that are not fluoridated—thanks largely to the efforts of poisonmongers.

How Poisonmongers Work
The antifluoridationists' ("antis") basic technique is the big lie. Made infamous by Hitler, it is simple to use, yet surprisingly effective. It consists of claiming that fluoridation causes cancer, heart and kidney disease, and other serious ailments that people fear. The fact that there is no supporting evidence for such claims does not matter. The trick is to keep repeating them—because if something is said often enough, people tend to think there must be some truth to it.

A variation of the big lie is the laundry list. List enough "evils," and even if proponents can reply to some of them, they will never be able to cover the entire list. This technique is most effective in debates, letters to the editor, and television news reports. Another variation is the simple statement that fluoridation doesn't work. Although recent studies show less difference than there used to be in decay rates between fluoridated and nonfluoridated communities, the benefit is still substantial. In fact, the Public Health Service estimates that every dollar spent for community fluoridation saves about fifty dollars in dental bills.

A key factor in any anti campaign is the use of printed matter. Because of this, antis are very eager to have their views printed. Scientific journals will rarely publish them, but most local newspapers are willing to express minority viewpoints regardless of whether facts support them. A few editors even welcome the controversy the antis generate—expecting that it will increase readership.

The aim of anti "documents" is to create the illusion of scientific controversy. Often they quote statements that are out of date or out of context. Quotes from obscure or hard-to-locate journals are often used. Another favored tactic is to misquote a profluoridation scientist, knowing that even if the scientist protests, the reply will not reach all those who read the original misquote.

Half-truths are commonly used. For example, saying that fluoride is a rat poison ignores the fact that poison is a matter of dose. Large amounts of many substances—even pure water—can poison people. But the trace amount of fluoride contained in fluoridated water will not harm anyone.

"Experts" are commonly quoted. It is possible to find someone with scientific credentials who is against just about anything. Most "experts" who speak out against fluoridation, however, are not experts on the subject. There are, of course, a few dentists and physicians who oppose fluoridation. Some of them object to fluoridation as a form of government intrusion, even though they know it is safe and effective.

Innuendo is a technique that has broad appeal because it can be used in a seemingly unemotional pitch. Some antis admit that fluoridation has been found safe "so far," but claim that its long-range effects have "not yet" been fully explored. The waiting game is a related gambit in which antis suggest that waiting a bit longer will help to resolve "doubt" about fluoridation's safety. No doubt, some antis will continue to use this argument for a few hundred more years.

A few antis have offered a "reward" for proving that fluoridation is safe. During the 1970s, a $100,000 offer required the pros to post a bond "to cover any costs which the offerers of the reward might incur if the proof is deemed invalid." The offer did not state who would judge the evidence, but it was safe to assume that the antis themselves would have appointed the judges. If a suit had been filed to collect the reward, the court might have ruled that the offer was a gambling bet that should not be enforced by a court. Such a suit would have required at least $25,000 for the bond and legal fees. Even if it had been won, however, there was no assurance that the money would have been recovered from the individuals who sponsored the reward. Most of them were elderly and scattered widely throughout the United States and Canada.

Since the scientific community is so solidly in favor of fluoridation, antis try to discredit it entirely by use of the conspiracy gambit. The beauty of the conspiracy charge is that it can be leveled at anyone and there is absolutely no way to disprove it. After all, how does one prove that something is not taking place secretly? Favorite "conspirators" are the U.S. Public Health Service, the American Dental Association, the American Medical Association, and the aluminum industry. Apparently, in the minds of the antis, these groups could all be working together to "poison" the American people! Years ago, conspiracy claims would work primarily with the very paranoid. But modern-day government scandals may make them seem realistic to a wider audience.The "slippery slope" claim is a related gambit. "This is only the beginning!" the antis wail. "First they will add fluoride, then vitamin pills, and the next thing you know it will be birth control pills!" Who "they" are need not be specified.

Scare words will add zip to any anti campaign. Not only the more obvious ones like "cancer" and "heart disease," but also more specialized terms like "mongoloid births" and "sickle-cell anemia." Ecology words are also useful. Calling fluoride a "chemical" (rather than a nutrient) can strike fear in the minds of many Americans who fear we are already too "chemicalized." The fact that water itself is a chemical and the fact that responsible use of chemicals is extremely helpful to our society will not reassure everyone. Fluoride is also called "artificial" and "a pollutant," which is "against nature."

Faced with the fact that fluoridation merely copies a natural phenomenon, the antis reply that "natural" fluoride differs from "artificial" fluoride—a "fact" as yet undiscovered by scientists.

Suggesting alternatives is another common tactic. Here the antis propose that the community distribute free fluoride tablets to parents who wish to give them to their children. The suggested program sounds "democratic," but it will not be effective from a public health standpoint. Most parents are not motivated to administer the 4,000+ doses needed from birth through age twelve. The plea for alternatives is often made by a "neutral" individual who sounds like he will support an alternative program if water fluoridation is defeated. Don't bet on it. Such advocacy is almost always a propaganda ploy.

Once fluoridation has begun in a community, antis can resort to the "cause-of-all-evil" gambit—blaming fluoridation for everything that occurred after it started. An example of this tactic, one that backfired on opponents, took place in Cleveland on June 1, 1956—when fluorides were to be added to the city's water supply. That day, the phone calls began: "My goldfish have died." "My African violets are wilting." "I can't make a decent cup of coffee." "My dog is constipated." Although the basis of such complaints is emotional rather than physical, this time fluoridation's innocence was beyond question. Last-minute problems had delayed its start until July!

"Let the People Decide"
The antis' most persuasive argument, both to legislators and to the general public, is to call for a public vote. On the surface, this appears to be the democratic way to settle the issue. But the antis are dealing from a stacked deck. First, the people who need fluoridation the most—the children—do not vote. Second, it is not difficult to confuse voters by flooding the community with scare propaganda. Average citizens do not have the educational background to sort out claim and counterclaim or to judge which "authorities" to believe. To turn against fluoridation, they don't need to accept all the anti arguments—only one. The sheer bulk of the controversy is itself likely to arouse doubt in the minds of most voters.Antis who say, "Let the people decide," may sound as if they wish to use a democratic process to make the decision, but experience in many cities has shown otherwise. If fluoridation wins a referendum, the usual anti response is to work for another one. In some communities that allow repeated referendums on the same subject, fluoridation has been in and out, and in and out again. When this happens, not only do children suffer, but taxpayers are saddled with the cost of the referendums.Curiously, studies have shown that referendums can lose even in communities where public opinion favors fluoridation. People will usually go to the polls to vote against what they don't like. So the crucial factor in many referendums is the ability of proponents to mobilize the supporters. A 1998 Gallup Poll commissioned by the American Dental Association found that when asked "Do you believe community water should be fluoridated?" 70% of respondents believed that community water should be fluoridated, 18% did not, and 12% were undecided. Yet small numbers of vocal critics still manage to impede its implementation in many communities.

Cancer Scares
In the mid-1970s, John Yiamouyiannis, Ph.D. and another anti began issuing a series of reports claiming that fluoridation causes cancer. Experts concluded that these reports were based on a misinterpretation of government statistics. They had compared cancer death rates in fluoridated and nonfluoridated cities but failed to consider various factors in each city (such as industrial pollution) that are known to raise the cancer death rate. By 1977, independent investigations by eight of the leading medical and scientific organizations in the English-speaking world had refuted the claims, but they still surface today in many communities that consider fluoridation.In 1990, the cancer charge was raised again following an unauthorized release of data from an experiment in which rats and mice were exposed to high dosages of fluoride. The experiment was conducted by the National Toxicology Program, a branch of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences. The agency's final report stated that there was no evidence of cancer-causing activity in female rats or in male and female mice and only "equivocal evidence" in male rats. Subsequent review by a U.S. Public Health Service expert panel concluded that the data were insignificant and that fluoridation posed no risk of cancer or any other disease.

Don't Be Misled
As a public health measure, fluoridation is unusual in several ways. It is a copy of a naturally occurring phenomenon. It is supported by libraries full of articles that document its safety and effectiveness—more so than any other public health measure. It is supported by a variety of health, scientific, and civic groups that could hardly be expected to agree on any other single measure. But most significant, it is the only health measure that is often put to public vote.If you live in a community with fluoridated water, consider yourself lucky. If you do not, don't let the poisonmongers scare you. Fluoridation is still a modern health miracle.

[link to www.quackwatch.org]
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So obviouslly you have researched this yourself and come back with scientific results which are not from a conspiracy website?. But i'm the sheeple lol, so obviouslly going to a hospital is out of the question due to them poisoning you with every drug they say you need? No once something is wrong with you, you will be running with your tail between you legs to the nearest hospital,but the government is trying to kill you. No just stay at home and follow what the OPs so called reputable website says which goes the natural way, maybe eating some Ginseng will cure you of cancer hf
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So obviouslly fluoride makes you docile and pro government and was used by Hitler to control people. Have you ever wondered why you're still anti government even though you have been consuming Fluoride all your life?
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There are too many variables to draw conclusions from that.

It's possible that some people need more fluroide than others to become docile.

To become docile, it's possible that the ingestion of fluoride has to be during a particular time window during development.

It's possible that the people here were lucky ones who just happened to live/grow up in cities with little or no flouridation in their water supply.

Etc. etc.

Come on, put on your critical thinking cap! You can DO it!
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How about you take of your tinfoil hat and do some real thinking. Do you know how much violence occurs in your country?, the gangsters the young violent people who bully and pick on other kids, yeah the kids are real docile.In my country youngsters are getting more violent drinking alcohol having sex beating up people for no reason, crime is on the rise, yeah we got some real docile ones here.
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So we should all start taking our government mandated trace minerals in moderation...lol.
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Calcifies the Pineal Gland, where our soul lives. Our temporary 3D body doesn't matter in the slightest. . .only our soul. We are our soul, and it lives for eternity.

When Satan, Illuminati minions, calcify our pineal gland - it BLOCKS us from the source of light, truth, and love. Throw away fluoride toothpaste, don't drink soda, juice, water. And, milk in moderation.

Their goal is to disconnect us from God - and for us to lose our eternal life. Satan is collecting eternal slaves. He has no other option. Than to rule and suffer people at his pleasure.

Sorry, Satan, . . .you could NEVER become your Father. You should have been submissive to your Father. You would have had it ALL.
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Calcifies the Pineal Gland, where our soul lives. Our temporary 3D body doesn't matter in the slightest. . .only our soul. We are our soul, and it lives for eternity.

When Satan, Illuminati minions, calcify our pineal gland - it BLOCKS us from the source of light, truth, and love. Throw away fluoride toothpaste, don't drink soda, juice, water. And, milk in moderation.

Their goal is to disconnect us from God - and for us to lose our eternal life. Satan is collecting eternal slaves. He has no other option. Than to rule and suffer people at his pleasure.

Sorry, Satan, . . .you could NEVER become your Father. You should have been submissive to your Father. You would have had it ALL.
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Where was that in the bible?,i'm guessing another Heathen who follows false prophets, well according to the Bible you should be stoned to death, say hi to Satan when Jesus sends you to hell.
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That article (not the study) is some serious fearmongering shiet..
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That article (not the study) is some serious fearmongering shiet..
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Don't be a moron the only websites which are spreading this so called study are conspiracy websites.
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Calcifies the Pineal Gland, where our soul lives. Our temporary 3D body doesn't matter in the slightest. . .only our soul. We are our soul, and it lives for eternity.

When Satan, Illuminati minions, calcify our pineal gland - it BLOCKS us from the source of light, truth, and love. Throw away fluoride toothpaste, don't drink soda, juice, water. And, milk in moderation.

Their goal is to disconnect us from God - and for us to lose our eternal life. Satan is collecting eternal slaves. He has no other option. Than to rule and suffer people at his pleasure.

Sorry, Satan, . . .you could NEVER become your Father. You should have been submissive to your Father. You would have had it ALL.
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Where was that in the bible?,i'm guessing another Heathen who follows false prophets, well according to the Bible you should be stoned to death, say hi to Satan when Jesus sends you to hell.
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Where was "what" in the Bible ? Fluoride DOES calcify our pineal gland where our SOUL lives. That is a fact. You are your soul. You are a shape and a color, an "energy/spirit" that is experiencing a 3D body.

You are not a body experiencing a spirit. A spirit experiencing a temporary body. Our souls are being tested in these temporary 3D bodies. Believe it or not. Trust me, don't. The rabbit hole for shameful people can be scary.

Follow False prophets ? . . .Jesus was GOD. jewish people were the old covenant people who were delusional. God divorced them forever. Old Israel/Jerusalem is OVER. They serve God's enemy. They have no chance at salvation.

And, yes, they wanted to stone me before. But didn't.
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That article (not the study) is some serious fearmongering shiet..
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Don't be a moron the only websites which are spreading this so called study are conspiracy websites.
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Don't get me wrong..I'm all against fluoride but that shitty article was more than enough to get these folks all jumpy (me included for a little while). And articles like these are pure disinfo, discrediting real studies that demonstrate fluoride hazards.
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Calcifies the Pineal Gland, where our soul lives. Our temporary 3D body doesn't matter in the slightest. . .only our soul. We are our soul, and it lives for eternity.

When Satan, Illuminati minions, calcify our pineal gland - it BLOCKS us from the source of light, truth, and love. Throw away fluoride toothpaste, don't drink soda, juice, water. And, milk in moderation.

Their goal is to disconnect us from God - and for us to lose our eternal life. Satan is collecting eternal slaves. He has no other option. Than to rule and suffer people at his pleasure.

Sorry, Satan, . . .you could NEVER become your Father. You should have been submissive to your Father. You would have had it ALL.
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Where was that in the bible?,i'm guessing another Heathen who follows false prophets, well according to the Bible you should be stoned to death, say hi to Satan when Jesus sends you to hell.
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Where was "what" in the Bible ? Fluoride DOES calcify our pineal gland where our SOUL lives. That is a fact. You are your soul. You are a shape and a color, an "energy/spirit" that is experiencing a 3D body.

You are not a body experiencing a spirit. A spirit experiencing a temporary body. Our souls are being tested in these temporary 3D bodies. Believe it or not. Trust me, don't. The rabbit hole for shameful people can be scary.

Follow False prophets ? . . .Jesus was GOD. jewish people were the old covenant people who were delusional. God divorced them forever. Old Israel/Jerusalem is OVER. They serve God's enemy. They have no chance at salvation.

And, yes, they wanted to stone me before. But didn't.
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Let me guess you learnt all that from a Conspiracy website. You are not following the bible.What you posted is not in the bible and is from a false prophet who suggests they know divine knowledge from God. So now you say the Old Testament is worthless and full of delusions even though the New Testament proves its legitimacy. I would love you to tell Christians their Old Testament is a load of rubbish.Ok let me put it to you in simple terms,You do not follow the Bible which is the work of God. You are not a Christian and follow their beliefs, but you follow some made up religion of some guy who wrote it on a website he created, whome somehow had divine knowledge.What he posted is nonsense and basically comes from someone who watched the matrix films and regarded them as truth, delusional. Now don't come spouting your nonsense here, nobody takes you seriously. Making yourself look like an idiot, thinking you know. So here is the bottom line, you found a website, liked what you saw and believed it without researching the legitamacy of the website and its claims. YOU=GULLABLE
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That article (not the study) is some serious fearmongering shiet..
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Don't be a moron the only websites which are spreading this so called study are conspiracy websites.
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Don't get me wrong..I'm all against fluoride but that shitty article was more than enough to get these folks all jumpy (me included for a little while). And articles like these are pure disinfo, discrediting real studies that demonstrate fluoride hazards.
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Ok all the Hazards of fluoride have been debunked, the only possible consequence is Fluorosis which can occur in excess amounts of Fluoride.
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That article (not the study) is some serious fearmongering shiet..
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Don't be a moron the only websites which are spreading this so called study are conspiracy websites.
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Don't get me wrong..I'm all against fluoride but that shitty article was more than enough to get these folks all jumpy (me included for a little while). And articles like these are pure disinfo, discrediting real studies that demonstrate fluoride hazards.
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Ok all the Hazards of fluoride have been debunked, the only possible consequence is Fluorosis which can occur in excess amounts of Fluoride.
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Now that is some serious shilling...
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Don't be a moron the only websites which are spreading this so called study are conspiracy websites.
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Don't get me wrong..I'm all against fluoride but that shitty article was more than enough to get these folks all jumpy (me included for a little while). And articles like these are pure disinfo, discrediting real studies that demonstrate fluoride hazards.
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Ok all the Hazards of fluoride have been debunked, the only possible consequence is Fluorosis which can occur in excess amounts of Fluoride.
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Now that is some serious shilling...
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Shilling the term used to take away the reliability of the poster who does not conform to conspiracy theories and to keep other Conspiracy sheep locked in the delusions of their lies by automatically being against the so called shill. This is a form of manipulation which uses the us against them tactic to manipulate the believer of the conspiracy to be biased in their thinking and only to believe non shills. Looks like you took the bait
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Don't get me wrong..I'm all against fluoride but that shitty article was more than enough to get these folks all jumpy (me included for a little while). And articles like these are pure disinfo, discrediting real studies that demonstrate fluoride hazards.
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Ok all the Hazards of fluoride have been debunked, the only possible consequence is Fluorosis which can occur in excess amounts of Fluoride.
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Now that is some serious shilling...
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Shilling the term used to take away the reliability of the poster who does not conform to conspiracy theories and to keep other Conspiracy sheep locked in the delusions of their lies by automatically being against the so called shill. This is a form of manipulation which uses the us against them tactic to manipulate the believer of the conspiracy to be biased in their thinking and only to believe non shills. Looks like you took the bait
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Sure thing bro..have a happy, productive life.
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Ok all the Hazards of fluoride have been debunked, the only possible consequence is Fluorosis which can occur in excess amounts of Fluoride.
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Now that is some serious shilling...
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Shilling the term used to take away the reliability of the poster who does not conform to conspiracy theories and to keep other Conspiracy sheep locked in the delusions of their lies by automatically being against the so called shill. This is a form of manipulation which uses the us against them tactic to manipulate the believer of the conspiracy to be biased in their thinking and only to believe non shills. Looks like you took the bait
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Sure thing bro..have a happy, productive life.
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I am having a very happy productive life, but obviously you are having a life based on fear e.g."Don't get me wrong..I'm all against fluoride but that shitty article was more than enough to get these folks all jumpy (me included for a little while).".This clearly shows you are living a life of constant stress and stuck in the Conspiracy mindset which gives you an enemy the "Leaders of your Country". The writers of the Conspiracy are the "Good Guys".Which are using scare tactics to keep you believing in them and asking you to stop drinking fluoride, don't take flu injections or you will die. What i'm getting at they are giving you a set of rules to live bye and giving you consequences if you dont. So Scare tactics,Consequences,Good Guys. Now lest look at religion-Scare tactics,rules to live by if you don't there are consequences,Good Guys e.g. If you are against God you will good to Hell, God is good and loving and truth,Do not lie or you will go to Hell. Simple manipulation, i'm tired i would explain it more but you get the gist of it.
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Now that is some serious shilling...
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Shilling the term used to take away the reliability of the poster who does not conform to conspiracy theories and to keep other Conspiracy sheep locked in the delusions of their lies by automatically being against the so called shill. This is a form of manipulation which uses the us against them tactic to manipulate the believer of the conspiracy to be biased in their thinking and only to believe non shills. Looks like you took the bait
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Sure thing bro..have a happy, productive life.
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I am having a very happy productive life, but obviously you are having a life based on fear e.g."Don't get me wrong..I'm all against fluoride but that shitty article was more than enough to get these folks all jumpy (me included for a little while).".This clearly shows you are living a life of constant stress and stuck in the Conspiracy mindset which gives you an enemy the "Leaders of your Country". The writers of the Conspiracy are the "Good Guys".Which are using scare tactics to keep you believing in them and asking you to stop drinking fluoride, don't take flu injections or you will die. What i'm getting at they are giving you a set of rules to live bye and giving you consequences if you dont. So Scare tactics,Consequences,Good Guys. Now lest look at religion-Scare tactics,rules to live by if you don't there are consequences,Good Guys e.g. If you are against God you will good to Hell, God is good and loving and truth,Do not lie or you will go to Hell. Simple manipulation, i'm tired i would explain it more but you get the gist of it.
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Life of constant stress? Wow you sure do know me, dont'cha? hahahah
Oh well..keep livin' the good life. Just don't hurt anyone while you're swingin' it. Cheers
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Calcifies the Pineal Gland, where our soul lives. Our temporary 3D body doesn't matter in the slightest. . .only our soul. We are our soul, and it lives for eternity.

When Satan, Illuminati minions, calcify our pineal gland - it BLOCKS us from the source of light, truth, and love. Throw away fluoride toothpaste, don't drink soda, juice, water. And, milk in moderation.

Their goal is to disconnect us from God - and for us to lose our eternal life. Satan is collecting eternal slaves. He has no other option. Than to rule and suffer people at his pleasure.

Sorry, Satan, . . .you could NEVER become your Father. You should have been submissive to your Father. You would have had it ALL.
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Where was that in the bible?,i'm guessing another Heathen who follows false prophets, well according to the Bible you should be stoned to death, say hi to Satan when Jesus sends you to hell.
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Where was "what" in the Bible ? Fluoride DOES calcify our pineal gland where our SOUL lives. That is a fact. You are your soul. You are a shape and a color, an "energy/spirit" that is experiencing a 3D body.

You are not a body experiencing a spirit. A spirit experiencing a temporary body. Our souls are being tested in these temporary 3D bodies. Believe it or not. Trust me, don't. The rabbit hole for shameful people can be scary.

Follow False prophets ? . . .Jesus was GOD. jewish people were the old covenant people who were delusional. God divorced them forever. Old Israel/Jerusalem is OVER. They serve God's enemy. They have no chance at salvation.

And, yes, they wanted to stone me before. But didn't.
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Let me guess you learnt all that from a Conspiracy website.

No, not at all. ;)


You are not following the bible.What you posted is not in the bible and is from a false prophet who suggests they know divine knowledge from God.

Not following the Bible ? Wrong. And "Which" is this "false prophet" whom you speak about? You keep saying that, but who do you believe is a false prophet ?

So now you say the Old Testament is worthless and full of delusions even though the New Testament proves its legitimacy.

I never said that the Old testament is worthless, "yes" there are lies edited in there by babylon. . .but not all lies.

I would love you to tell Christians their Old Testament is a load of rubbish.

That is an ignorant and prideful statement. Ignorance comes from fear.

Ok let me put it to you in simple terms,You do not follow the Bible which is the work of God. You are not a Christian and follow their beliefs, but you follow some made up religion of some guy who wrote it on a website he created, whome somehow had divine knowledge.What he posted is nonsense and basically comes from someone who watched the matrix films and regarded them as truth, delusional. Now don't come spouting your nonsense here, nobody takes you seriously. Making yourself look like an idiot, thinking you know. So here is the bottom line, you found a website, liked what you saw and believed it without researching the legitamacy of the website and its claims. YOU=GULLABLE
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Wow, that was a load of bull. Yes, the movie "matrix" is extremely similar to our 3D matrix. The ONLY difference, is that our matrix has a definite ending. There is an ending. The computer program of our matrix was created from the ending to the beginning. Just like any Creator creates.

A creator determines the END product, and works backwards.

And, to if I am a Christian ? Love Jesus Christ with all your heart, do not sin against God, do fall in love with Him, submit to Him. Be not prideful. Be humble. Regardless of the lies that Obama says, Oprah says, Lady Gaga say, any of the Illuminati.
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Thanks for the thread OP - faved for later :-)


I struggle to find non fluoride toothpaste - in mainstram supermarkets it's been removed for yrs in the Uk and Ireland.
Healthfood shops sell it mainly...or online.

Fluoride is also in natural water sources so worth getting a test kit to check levels.

Flouride filters are something i looked into getting - they're one of the higher priced filters you can buy - not surprisingly - afterall they must 'shove in' abit of enterprise while killing off the populus slowly..lol...

I have a 'candle' type water filter housing - it takes four candle shaped filters...which can be interchanged to have one fluoride candle and 3 ceramic pathogen/bacterial candles. The fluoride candles are around £100. Alot of money considering the ceramic charcoal ones cost around £30.
So it's great industry to sell fluoride filters!

Gaaaah...it really grates me..this bullshit of the PTB and their obvious intent to poison us in as many ways as possible!

Some wouldn't believe that there are poisons in their soaps, perfumes, deodorants, foods, clothing, mattresses, all furniture, i mean...and i'm NOT exaggerating (sadly)..literally every commercial product normally harbours some kind of poison. That 'new car smell'...lol it's toxic...highly. We're being bombarded with toxins and most folk know they are not operating 'optimally'...not surprising considering the first hour of being awake the average person consumes tens and tens of toxic chemicals...with each spray of Lynx deodorant, or perfume...to shower gel...laundered clothes...all loaded with chemicals that 'tax' the human immune system - leading eventually to a depleted defence mechanism against bacterial infections and viruses...open to depleted health and disease.

It's hard to switch to products that actually nourish you. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack in the average supermarket.
It's taken me years to learn and collect info on toxic ingredients that are generously used in commercial products. When you research into the studies done of these ingredients and the effects they have on you...it's horrifying really.

Poison may be a tad harsh - but in a sense anything that is toxic to the human body, is infact, incrementally, a poison to the system.

I'm left in pure awe of the human body and it's ability to endlessly try to rebuild itself from toxic load...truly. But eventually it does give way to the load and symptoms of disease start to show.

Self-sufficiency is really what you become to realise it the only option. Yet it is the hardest..you have to change your lifestyle completely, and most, understandably, cannot do that now we are so entrenched in a 'toxic' way of life.

I'm not sure it's possible to be completely 'toxin-free' in these times - afterall, even in an idyllic paradise, the very air you breathe is of a toxic world.

There is cleaning to be done - on many levels - swimming upstream against a tide of pure poison is difficult but essential at this point in humanity.
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The cleansing will be done one day. Mass abstinence from this conveyor- belt-provision of harm will come. It need not be a violent change. The time may come soon..
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You have a poor ability to abstract and deduce from evidence, not to mention a lack of rudimentary reading comprehension skill.

But the researchers did not, for they cite in their conclusion...

CONCLUSION: sodium [¹⁸F]fluoride PET/CT might be useful in the evaluation of the atherosclerotic process in major arteries, including coronary arteries. An increased fluoride uptake in coronary arteries may be associated with an increased cardiovascular risk.
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Yeah, I'm such a bad reader and thinker that I managed to become my class valedictorian and am read by tens of thousands of people worldwide in my field.

In any case, the increased uptake once again refers to the tracer they are using - fluoride. In other words, if someone has calcification occurring in their coronary arteries then that is probably a risk factor for heart disease.

Fluoride binds with calcium. That's why they are using it as a tracer for CAT scans. They inject you with it so it will bind with any calcification deposits and then scan you.

If the CAT scan shows increased uptake of that tracer in your coronary arteries then chances are you have calcification going on there and are at risk for heart disease.

Of course, if you weren't a grade A moron you would've read it properly instead of twisting their words to fit your fantasy.
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LOL. A valedictorian of Shilltard University?

If you were so smart you would be able to take it a step forward and realize the addition of a salt to a person's bloodstream, a person who already has arterial calcification especially, will result in an INCREASE in the arterial accretions due to the affinity of various NA-FL salt compounds to lodge there, as PROVEN by that study.

In addition these compound will also shed a fluoride ion or two which will bind with calcium either on the plaque, or creating a INSOLUBLE Calcium fluoride. (see reference below)

Now while insoluble CAF2 is generally harmless, the process whereby it was created has just removed that free calcium's potential to do its proper work in regulating the nervous system, specifically by disrupting the homeostasis (proper exchange) of sodium and calcium ions across the plasma membrane of a cell. In other words, Fluoride encourages a short in the circuit by reducing free Calcium.


^ a b c I. M. Rabinowitch. Acute Fluoride Poisoning. Can Med Assoc J. 1945, 52, 345–349. [1]

The mechanism of toxicity involves the combination of the fluoride anion with the calcium ions in the blood to form insoluble calcium fluoride, resulting in hypocalcemia; calcium is indispensable for the function of the nervous system, and the condition can be fatal. Treatment may involve oral administration of dilute calcium hydroxide or calcium chloride to prevent further absorption, and injection of calcium gluconate to increase the calcium levels in the blood.
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I'll tell you what I'm smart enough to do. I'm smart enough not to assume that drinking a miniscule amount of fluoride is going to cause heart disease based on the fact that directly injecting large amounts of fluoride into a person's bloodstream binds with the calcification that is already present.

I am also apparently smart enough to point out that this entire post is based on a lie. A misreading of the research done out of sheer stupidity or ideology.

I'm also smart enough to notice when faced with this fact none of you recognize the error and instead engage in the "baffle me with BS" maneuver that is easy to see through.
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A minuscule (yes I spelled it correctly) amount of Fluoride? Really, Mr. Valedictorian?

So much for your edumacation.

Keyword = Bioaccumulation.

Water from drinking, water used in cooking beans/rice/pasta, water absorbed through skin in shower/bath, DAILY.

Fluoride concentrated in Cow's milk.

Fluoride salts aplenty in the pesticides concentrated in your cereal grains, vegetables, fruits. PROVEN.

Know any one who does NOT cook with "non-stick" coated pans? What about restaurants? Massive fluroride release every time they are heated. Airborne particulate and absorption into the food. Look it up.

Its in the soil everywhere there is a commercial farm, and in the air locally as well.

Furthermore, the OP of this thread said it was LINKED to Heart Disease, not "the cause". And it is certainly proven to have some link. I stand by my original assessment of your reading comprehension and deductive powers. Seriously lacking.
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The Shills from the Ministry of Propaganda jumped on this thread hard just before the forum "went black". They are long on insults and deflection, short on logic and reason in the face of evidence.

Fluoride is a real concern.

I even saw a label on a gallon jug of water sold at Walmart. It has a picture of a baby and little wooden ABC blocks. It says water for children with added fluoride.

Even though the ADA just came out and warned that it was "NOW" harmful to give fluoride to children!

We don't have alot of control over many things, but this is something you can avoid if you try.

Just watch this video. The dangers were known LONG AGO.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Yeah, I'm such a bad reader and thinker that I managed to become my class valedictorian and am read by tens of thousands of people worldwide in my field.

In any case, the increased uptake once again refers to the tracer they are using - fluoride. In other words, if someone has calcification occurring in their coronary arteries then that is probably a risk factor for heart disease.

Fluoride binds with calcium. That's why they are using it as a tracer for CAT scans. They inject you with it so it will bind with any calcification deposits and then scan you.

If the CAT scan shows increased uptake of that tracer in your coronary arteries then chances are you have calcification going on there and are at risk for heart disease.

Of course, if you weren't a grade A moron you would've read it properly instead of twisting their words to fit your fantasy.
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LOL. A valedictorian of Shilltard University?

If you were so smart you would be able to take it a step forward and realize the addition of a salt to a person's bloodstream, a person who already has arterial calcification especially, will result in an INCREASE in the arterial accretions due to the affinity of various NA-FL salt compounds to lodge there, as PROVEN by that study.

In addition these compound will also shed a fluoride ion or two which will bind with calcium either on the plaque, or creating a INSOLUBLE Calcium fluoride. (see reference below)

Now while insoluble CAF2 is generally harmless, the process whereby it was created has just removed that free calcium's potential to do its proper work in regulating the nervous system, specifically by disrupting the homeostasis (proper exchange) of sodium and calcium ions across the plasma membrane of a cell. In other words, Fluoride encourages a short in the circuit by reducing free Calcium.


^ a b c I. M. Rabinowitch. Acute Fluoride Poisoning. Can Med Assoc J. 1945, 52, 345–349. [1]

The mechanism of toxicity involves the combination of the fluoride anion with the calcium ions in the blood to form insoluble calcium fluoride, resulting in hypocalcemia; calcium is indispensable for the function of the nervous system, and the condition can be fatal. Treatment may involve oral administration of dilute calcium hydroxide or calcium chloride to prevent further absorption, and injection of calcium gluconate to increase the calcium levels in the blood.
 Quoting: Dragon Slayer 8951556


I'll tell you what I'm smart enough to do. I'm smart enough not to assume that drinking a miniscule amount of fluoride is going to cause heart disease based on the fact that directly injecting large amounts of fluoride into a person's bloodstream binds with the calcification that is already present.

I am also apparently smart enough to point out that this entire post is based on a lie. A misreading of the research done out of sheer stupidity or ideology.

I'm also smart enough to notice when faced with this fact none of you recognize the error and instead engage in the "baffle me with BS" maneuver that is easy to see through.
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A minuscule (yes I spelled it correctly) amount of Fluoride? Really, Mr. Valedictorian?

So much for your edumacation.

Keyword = Bioaccumulation.

Water from drinking, water used in cooking beans/rice/pasta, water absorbed through skin in shower/bath, DAILY.

Fluoride concentrated in Cow's milk.

Fluoride salts aplenty in the pesticides concentrated in your cereal grains, vegetables, fruits. PROVEN.

Know any one who does NOT cook with "non-stick" coated pans? What about restaurants? Massive fluroride release every time they are heated. Airborne particulate and absorption into the food. Look it up.

Its in the soil everywhere there is a commercial farm, and in the air locally as well.

Furthermore, the OP of this thread said it was LINKED to Heart Disease, not "the cause". And it is certainly proven to have some link. I stand by my original assessment of your reading comprehension and deductive powers. Seriously lacking.
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Yeah, the OP can say it is "linked" to heart disease all he likes, but when he shows a link to a dumb website that totally misrepresents what the research paper showed then he isn't making his case.

The study had nothing to do with fluoride being linked to heart disease. It was simply showing a method of using fluoride as a tracer for CAT scans.

You are also welcome to talk about "bioaccumulation" until you are blue in the face. It is a popular word among morons who understand the general concept but don't realize how it applies in the real world.

Bioaccumulation requires that the rate of excretion is less than the rate of accretion. It requires sources high enough so that the equilibrium between gaining the substance and losing the substance is at a harmful level.

This has not been demonstrated with the miniscule levels of fluoride added to municipal water supplies.

But whatever, I doubt you have the intelligence to understand what I said or the wisdom to rely on proof rather than rumors and misrepresentations from conspiracy websites.

Your argument boils down to that fact that you've been brainwashed not to like something by stupid people using stupid arguments that only work on the stupid. You could say "anything" could "bioaccumulate" in your body to harmful levels, but unless you demonstrate it then your argument is full of hot air and demonstrates a remarkable lack of understanding of the real world.
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Not only do the ELites want us dead they want to get rich off our dying.
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This!
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I wonder if EDTA removes fluoride. I know it removes calcium.

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