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All Eyes on Lake Vostok...To Be Breached Today!!!

 
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Hey SS hi I need to ask you an OT question. How do you post pics on a thread without posting the link so they just show up like you tube? Do I need to have a paid account or do I need to have like photobucket and do the [img] thingy? help please..
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Hey SS hi I need to ask you an OT question. How do you post pics on a thread without posting the link so they just show up like you tube? Do I need to have a paid account or do I need to have like photobucket and do the [img] thingy? help please..
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You need a paid account to post images.
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Thanks bra, too poor to do that yet.
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Thanks bra, too poor to do that yet.
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do you visit the green room? visit and share your karma daily. you can earn a free upgrade. I just about have enough points to give away another one. I will give it to you when I get enough.

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Bottled million yaer old water, I am starting a company.
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yeah V girl, I've been following your advice. Went there last night when I couldn't sleep. Gave away all I could.
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Thanks bra, too poor to do that yet.
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do you visit the green room? visit and share your karma daily. you can earn a free upgrade. I just about have enough points to give away another one. I will give it to you when I get enough.

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How exactly does it work?
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Thanks bra, too poor to do that yet.
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do you visit the green room? visit and share your karma daily. you can earn a free upgrade. I just about have enough points to give away another one. I will give it to you when I get enough.

hf
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How exactly does it work?
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Easy --

Step 1) Go in there and say hi, and let everyone know you would like to participate so they know you are there.


Step 2) give away your karma to people in the room. when you give karma make sure you leave your name on it, so people know who you are and can pay you back.


Step 3) After giving it away, go in the green room, and let everyone know who you gave it away too. (you can see examples in the room)


That is it! The cycle will continue and before you know it you will have a lot of karma that you can use for your hearts desire.

I like to give away memberships and pin threads for people.

A lot of times people give me karma that are not karma room regulars, but the same holds true, if they leave their name, I pay it back hf

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[link to adsabs.harvard.edu]


Satellite Images
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com]


[link to www.rense.com]
"Also proposed as a possible route for atmospheric interaction with the lake's environment are what are being labeled "geothermal boils". These are thousands of bubbles in the ice sheet located in the some 200 sq. miles of "ice dunes" discovered by the late Russian scientist Ivan Toskovoi who was stationed at Vostok research base until his disappearance in March 2000. The surveyed bubbles range from a few to several hundred feet in diameter. "

Quite possibly just as exciting as all of the data related so far, is the discovery through Magnetic Imaging that there is an extremely powerful source of magnetic energy located at the North end of the lake's shoreline. As of this writing, no one has suggested an explanation for the magnetic "anomaly".

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (same source as above though)

Dear Mr. Mason:

Thank you for this fascinating information.

I had previously considered informing the Vostok investigators, Russian,UK,US, that there was a severe hazard that above the water there would most likely be a large amount of methane, and breaking into that would be very hazardous. It may of course be so large an amount that letting it out would make a severe change of atmospheric chemistry, and hence of climate.

The bubbles in the ice, the large dome, and the magnetic anomaly all point to such a situation. Most permafrost regions have methane underneath them, and this would be by far the largest of them. May be the scientist who vanished crashed into a methane ice bubble. Large deposits of magnetite are common in methane-rich regions, being produced from iron oxides acting as oxygen donor to microbes that live on the oxidation of methane.
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Bottled million yaer old water, I am starting a company.
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Type "blood falls" into Youtube, this is the type of water I imagine them finding. The sources I have read have said that they are worried about the methane release once the lake has been breached.

"The bubbles in the ice, the large dome, and the magnetic anomaly all point to such a situation. Most permafrost regions have methane underneath them, and this would be by far the largest of them. May be the scientist who vanished crashed into a methane ice bubble. Large deposits of magnetite are common in methane-rich regions, being produced from iron oxides acting as oxygen donor to microbes that live on the oxidation of methane."
[link to www.rense.com]

Yea so you might want to bottle some other water.
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Thanks bra, too poor to do that yet.
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do you visit the green room? visit and share your karma daily. you can earn a free upgrade. I just about have enough points to give away another one. I will give it to you when I get enough.

hf
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How exactly does it work?
 Quoting: El Quisqueyano


Easy --

Step 1) Go in there and say hi, and let everyone know you would like to participate so they know you are there.


Step 2) give away your karma to people in the room. when you give karma make sure you leave your name on it, so people know who you are and can pay you back.


Step 3) After giving it away, go in the green room, and let everyone know who you gave it away too. (you can see examples in the room)


That is it! The cycle will continue and before you know it you will have a lot of karma that you can use for your hearts desire.

I like to give away memberships and pin threads for people.

A lot of times people give me karma that are not karma room regulars, but the same holds true, if they leave their name, I pay it back hf

Hope you join


(sorry for derailing thread)
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Thank you.

Namaste.
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I don't know if anyone else has brought this up, but I have read a date that the lake is reached that is different from today as I have seen talked about in the thread.

I have read it would be reached in December this year 2012.

SS
some one stole your avatar..

OP where did you see that today was the day they would breach?
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 Quoting:



 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3722011


subdue?
that statement is exactly what is wrong with this planet, people who think they have the right to pollute, take, kill and so forth because we are somehow more 'superior'?

i dont agree with 'subduing nature or the earth'.
we must work WITH nature, not against it.
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This week, a Russian team drilling into Lake Vostok in the center of the Antarctic continent is likely to break through the ice to water. It will be the first time that a subglacial lake has been breached. These modern-day explorers hope to discover whether Vostok, which at 5000 km 3 is the third largest lake on the planet, is teeming with hidden, cold-loving life that could have evolved separately from the rest of the world for hundreds of thousands of years.

Microbiologist John Priscu of Montana State University in Bozeman, who was one of the original planners of the Vostok mission, has been getting regular updates from the Russian team. As of 13 January, they had reached a depth of 3737.5 meters, about 15 meters away from liquid water. With three teams drilling around the clock and making progress at an average of 2 meters per day, Priscu says they're on track to break through within the week. "This is an epic event. I really wish them luck," he says. "I wish I was out there with them."

After drilling 3720 meters last February, time ran out for the team and the project was stymied just 29.5 meters from its destination as winter set in. Over the summer, they modified their drill bits and now the team is back at work with plenty of time to spare. They had left the large hole filled with antifreeze, so it was ready and waiting for them. It will remain open for years to come, Priscu says, potentially allowing other teams to sample the waters in the future.

It's a nerve-wracking moment for the drillers, however. The lake water is under immense pressure, making it imperative that the team's calculations are correct. In the worst case scenario, Priscu says, "water could come up the hole and degas explosively, blowing out the whole borehole."

[link to news.sciencemag.org]

Obviously, this is uncharted territory, a first for mankind.
sounds like many things could go wrong. I wish them all the best!

This is incredible news! For 14 millian years it has been sealed under the ice. If life exists in Lake Vostok it will further the evidence that life can exist elsewhere in the cosmos, such as Jupiter's moon Europa and beyond.

If the Russians stay on schedule, they should breach the lake by tomorrow!

I can't wait to hear about their findings.

RazorX
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Will they do a Live stream?
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Maybe Geraldo Rivera will be on site -)
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Wow, I thought this thread was over and headed to the Abyss when I bumped it this morning. Glad it found new legs.

I am wondering why this is not in the media in any form at all, as it will be a historic event, even if they find nothing. Its not even on Drudge, and we all know they shop GLP for stories. Odd to say the least.
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All kidding aside.
Some wonder if an alien object is down there.

Consider the magnetic flux lines flowing into the area. Orbital objects could easily be entrained towards the poles just as particles forming aurorae are.

A ZP machine riding on magnetic flux could venture via these pathways.

Old orbiting monolithic materials could transit along these pathways.

All potential BS, but fun thinking about it.
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Maybe they'll find something really weird. If an alien from space came here, don't you think Antarctica is the sort of place he might hide out if he doesn't want to be discovered?
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sofahide
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There is much on the net telling of a nazi ufo camp somewhere in the Antarctic. Emperor Kent always had a link to it on his site before he passed on. I may have it somewhere. If I can find it, I will post the link.
The only constant is change

The winds of anger, blows out the candle of intelligence

"Slowly, like moisture entering the dying tree trunk, slowly filling and rotting it, so did the world and inertia creep into Siddhartha's soul; it slowly filled his soul, made it heavy, made it tired, sent it to sleep"

"One must find the source within one's own Self, one must possess it"
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Maybe they'll find something really weird. If an alien from space came here, don't you think Antarctica is the sort of place he might hide out if he doesn't want to be discovered?
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sofahide
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There is much on the net telling of a nazi ufo camp somewhere in the Antarctic. Emperor Kent always had a link to it on his site before he passed on. I may have it somewhere. If I can find it, I will post the link.
 Quoting: Fire & Ice


That didn't take long, and its still active (unlike most of my very old links)

[link to ovni.do.sapo.pt]
The only constant is change

The winds of anger, blows out the candle of intelligence

"Slowly, like moisture entering the dying tree trunk, slowly filling and rotting it, so did the world and inertia creep into Siddhartha's soul; it slowly filled his soul, made it heavy, made it tired, sent it to sleep"

"One must find the source within one's own Self, one must possess it"
Siddhartha
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Wow, I thought this thread was over and headed to the Abyss when I bumped it this morning. Glad it found new legs.

I am wondering why this is not in the media in any form at all, as it will be a historic event, even if they find nothing. Its not even on Drudge, and we all know they shop GLP for stories. Odd to say the least.
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Because ultimately it would slow down their goal. They are going to drill and they dont want the public to form an opinion that may hender their chance at history.

They need time for a cover story WHEN they screw this up.
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Not sure if this has been posted from the chat session, but is says samples won't be taken until next year. And, it will be done by a core drill. So, they don't intend, at least for the moment, to invade the lake. They will let the lake, invade the drill hole.

"The Russian project to drill into and sample the lake is a very interesting one and also one that many scientists are watching. As part of the plan to avoid contamination, their plan is to use a small drill to penetrate the lake and let water move up into the hole for 50 meters or so - then they will let that water freeze. Then next year it will be drilled with a core drill. The idea and hope is that this will yield samples of the water in the lake, and any microbes that might be there.

Last Edited by Fire & Ice on 01/19/2012 06:47 PM
The only constant is change

The winds of anger, blows out the candle of intelligence

"Slowly, like moisture entering the dying tree trunk, slowly filling and rotting it, so did the world and inertia creep into Siddhartha's soul; it slowly filled his soul, made it heavy, made it tired, sent it to sleep"

"One must find the source within one's own Self, one must possess it"
Siddhartha
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Maybe this is why they are really there...

“You know, they have classified Lake Vostok. They took it away from JPL who were monitoring it. Are you familiar with Lake Vostok in Antarctica? Under the ice in Antarctica there is a fresh-water lake deep, deep down under the ice, that’s 100 miles long and 50 miles wide. Fresh water. The temperature in the damn lake is about 65 degrees, which is pleasant swimming, you might say.

“But at the end of Lake Vostok is what’s known as a gigantic masscon—a mass concentration of metal, very similar to the masscons they discovered on the Moon — a gigantic, circular-shaped, metallic object deep under the ice at the end of Lake Vostok. The National Security Agency took it away from JPL. It’s one of the most sensitive things in the world now, the anomaly at the end of the lak. It’s now classified, top secret.”

[link to www.exohuman.com]

What could this be???
 Quoting: RazorX 1378340


so u think they are doing this to find a ufo?
 Quoting: ttowngirl


Very interesting stuff coming up now. We have a magnetic mascon at the lake which is highly classified, and our magnetosphere seems to generate from this same area. Couple that with the Nazi's ufo base, somewhere in the vicinity, and we have the stuff GLP dreams are made of.
The only constant is change

The winds of anger, blows out the candle of intelligence

"Slowly, like moisture entering the dying tree trunk, slowly filling and rotting it, so did the world and inertia creep into Siddhartha's soul; it slowly filled his soul, made it heavy, made it tired, sent it to sleep"

"One must find the source within one's own Self, one must possess it"
Siddhartha
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I'd love to be a fly on an ice cube when they break through that ice.chuckle
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This story seems weird to me. I don't pretend to know anything about drilling at those depths but why does it take 24 hours to drill down just 2 meters in ice? I guess I could see if it were solid rock or something like that but ice? Heck my little ice auger can cut an 8" hole through 24 inches of ice in under a minute.
 Quoting: Hawgzilla


Trillions of tonnes of ice a few miles deep has a lot of compaction. I'm sure that drilling through that ice is like drilling through rock.

The ice you auger for ice fishing is much softer than Antarctic ice!
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I sure do hope all equipment is "sterilized" as could pose/risk contamination
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I am beyond confused, but I guess this is what happens when you forget to follow threads that interest you (for example, the Bezerk and Chinese Briefcase threads, a hundred pages later.)


When this thread was posted, I saw the title and went: "Yikes!"...immediately envisioning the potential doom of a massive escape of methane. My interest was excited.

But, upon reading the first page and reading more at the links, we were being told the lake contained a rich concentration of oxygen, and that they were trying to insure that the drill's breach would NOT allow contamination of this ancient, unique, biosphere that they were hoping to discover.

That sounded plausible, so I put aside my methane 'worries,' although I wished I was educated enough to understand HOW they could figure out there was oxygen-rich fresh water, yet, not know if it held any lifeforms.

The off-site page offered other links, where I then read about the bizarre magnetic anomalies, and, that ginormous metallic object, found about the same time that drilling started. BUT...

...having read in the first article that due to drill failure (if I am remembering this correctly) the drilling project had to be abandoned for 8 YEARS: all of this started to sound a bit fishy to me...as someone who visits GLP might be prone to consider. I never read the remaining pages, having turned my attentions elsewhere.

NOW I come back to page 13, and see a letter WARNING about METHANE.

* * * * * *

I guess I have a lot of reading to catch up on tonight, before making another comment......

methane, now?
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Wow, I missed a shit load!

Thanks SS and El Q for asking very insightful and relevant questions to the experts in chat! Glad they were so forth coming.

Were they though?

From the information I have They were 12 meters from breaching on January 13th, approximately drilling at 2 meters per day.

The Borg said it may be weeks?

That can't be right. Wish I was there for the Q & A.
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Thanks bra, too poor to do that yet.
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do you visit the green room? visit and share your karma daily. you can earn a free upgrade. I just about have enough points to give away another one. I will give it to you when I get enough.

hf
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How exactly does it work?
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Easy --

Step 1) Go in there and say hi, and let everyone know you would like to participate so they know you are there.


Step 2) give away your karma to people in the room. when you give karma make sure you leave your name on it, so people know who you are and can pay you back.


Step 3) After giving it away, go in the green room, and let everyone know who you gave it away too. (you can see examples in the room)


That is it! The cycle will continue and before you know it you will have a lot of karma that you can use for your hearts desire.

I like to give away memberships and pin threads for people.

A lot of times people give me karma that are not karma room regulars, but the same holds true, if they leave their name, I pay it back hf

Hope you join


(sorry for derailing thread)
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Or do it the lazy way like I do. I show up and give karma to everyone till I run out. I get almost everyone each week, so I don't worry about not getting anyone in particular. I just sign it with my name and pass it out.

Then I leave a post saying I dropped off karma. Magically I get 5-6 green karmas a day back.

This has allowed me to upgrade myself and give away 3 trial memberships. The green room is magic.
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I am beyond confused, but I guess this is what happens when you forget to follow threads that interest you (for example, the Bezerk and Chinese Briefcase threads, a hundred pages later.)


When this thread was posted, I saw the title and went: "Yikes!"...immediately envisioning the potential doom of a massive escape of methane. My interest was excited.

But, upon reading the first page and reading more at the links, we were being told the lake contained a rich concentration of oxygen, and that they were trying to insure that the drill's breach would NOT allow contamination of this ancient, unique, biosphere that they were hoping to discover.

That sounded plausible, so I put aside my methane 'worries,' although I wished I was educated enough to understand HOW they could figure out there was oxygen-rich fresh water, yet, not know if it held any lifeforms.

The off-site page offered other links, where I then read about the bizarre magnetic anomalies, and, that ginormous metallic object, found about the same time that drilling started. BUT...

...having read in the first article that due to drill failure (if I am remembering this correctly) the drilling project had to be abandoned for 8 YEARS: all of this started to sound a bit fishy to me...as someone who visits GLP might be prone to consider. I never read the remaining pages, having turned my attentions elsewhere.

NOW I come back to page 13, and see a letter WARNING about METHANE.

* * * * * *

I guess I have a lot of reading to catch up on tonight, before making another comment......

methane, now?
 Quoting: Esoteric Morgan


There are many stories out there about what is truly under the ice and between the lake.

Most believe that there is a huge pocket of oxygen between the bottom of the ice shelf and the lake. Some say methane because of all the hydrothermal activity that has been mapped and detected near and around there.

I would speculate that it's a guessing game since this is uncharted territory. I only hope that they have all contingencies well planned for.
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Not sure if this has been posted from the chat session, but is says samples won't be taken until next year. And, it will be done by a core drill. So, they don't intend, at least for the moment, to invade the lake. They will let the lake, invade the drill hole.

"The Russian project to drill into and sample the lake is a very interesting one and also one that many scientists are watching. As part of the plan to avoid contamination, their plan is to use a small drill to penetrate the lake and let water move up into the hole for 50 meters or so - then they will let that water freeze. Then next year it will be drilled with a core drill. The idea and hope is that this will yield samples of the water in the lake, and any microbes that might be there.
 Quoting: Fire & Ice


I read that, but I believe that was from last year.

They drilled to within 120 meter last year and took core samples. They found microbes in the core sample some species of which were not known.

This year, was to traverse the last 120 meters to breach the lake.

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