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All Eyes on Lake Vostok...To Be Breached Today!!!

 
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There is...hot water drilling, and way quicker. The British and US are using it to drill in Antarctica. I linked it on page 1 or 2.
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Thanks OP. I didn't read all the responses....I saw the words anti-freeze and had to vent.
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No problemo, your right though. Why the hell wouldn't the Ruskies switch over to new greener tech?
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I would think its not a bunch of Ruskies, stoned on vodka, pouring Prestone down a giant hole. For all their effort, I am sure they have made plans not to pollute this pristine lake, as it would nullify all their research by introducing any foreign substance into it.
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the only way to keep the hole open, and balance the pressure is to use a mixture of salt, possibly other chemicals and water. you have to circulate a fluid down to the bottom of the hole to push drill waste back up. you have to have something that will not freeze, as the metal components will easily be below 32f, and ice would cake on the equipment. salt water would sort of work, but because its density is greater than freshwater, produces more pressure in the column (aka hole) so it would want to push into the lake. you can't "rinse the hole out" because all materials in the hole, that were used, will migrate into the surface of the ice, especially given this has been kept open for 10 years. this is not a simple operation. knowing the math, its an impossible mission (not contaminate the lake, make whats in the lake stay there, not freeze the tool in the hole, etc)

pray for the safety of the crews down there, and all of humanity could use a couple too

dr
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Hmm, why am I reminded of both The Thing and Alien Vs. Predator. Hope they find something cool though!
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Don't forget "The Thaw".

Did you intend the pun?
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Nope, twas a naturally occuring pun Idol1
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do you understand density?
pressure?

dr
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+1
its all gonna be 'blown' up at the very moment they break through
I would rather stay few hundred meters away
fight
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or blown down into the lake
got to get the density correct

research drill mud

dr
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It's not drill mud, what they are using is kerosene.
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yes, it is
drill mud is a complex compound made of various solids and fluids to balance the pressure to prevent a blow out, and to remove the chips from the hole

drill mud is a term, along with a product, and no 2 drill muds are the same
did you research it?

dr
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+1
its all gonna be 'blown' up at the very moment they break through
I would rather stay few hundred meters away
fight
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or blown down into the lake
got to get the density correct

research drill mud

dr
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It's not drill mud, what they are using is kerosene.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370806


yes, it is
drill mud is a complex compound made of various solids and fluids to balance the pressure to prevent a blow out, and to remove the chips from the hole

drill mud is a term, along with a product, and no 2 drill muds are the same
did you research it?

dr
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No, I am recounting what was explained in a documentary as the substance was being pumped back up to the surface and into a receptacle. It was a clear liquid and they said more than once it was kerosene.
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I bet they find a rare legendary pokemon
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They could be unleashing an unknown virus too!

Scary shit
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My thoughts exactly! Maybe there is a reason that lake is buried in Antarctica..maybe it was supposed to stay buried.
I would be very careful if i were the Russians..remember Chernobyl.
"Power Corrupts"
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or blown down into the lake
got to get the density correct

research drill mud

dr
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9107471


It's not drill mud, what they are using is kerosene.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370806


yes, it is
drill mud is a complex compound made of various solids and fluids to balance the pressure to prevent a blow out, and to remove the chips from the hole

drill mud is a term, along with a product, and no 2 drill muds are the same
did you research it?

dr
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9107471


No, I am recounting what was explained in a documentary as the substance was being pumped back up to the surface and into a receptacle. It was a clear liquid and they said more than once it was kerosene.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370806


well, being as that there would be a density difference between water at that temp, and kerosene, kerosesn being lighter, (it floats on water) pure kerosene would not work
the two pressure columns need to be equal

if it is pure kerosene, then look forward to a new, and yet more exiting version of DWH

stay tuned...lol

oh and by the way, link for the documentary you just quoted?
thats how it works around here

dr
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This week, a Russian team drilling into Lake Vostok in the center of the Antarctic continent is likely to break through the ice to water. It will be the first time that a subglacial lake has been breached. These modern-day explorers hope to discover whether Vostok, which at 5000 km 3 is the third largest lake on the planet, is teeming with hidden, cold-loving life that could have evolved separately from the rest of the world for hundreds of thousands of years.

Microbiologist John Priscu of Montana State University in Bozeman, who was one of the original planners of the Vostok mission, has been getting regular updates from the Russian team. As of 13 January, they had reached a depth of 3737.5 meters, about 15 meters away from liquid water. With three teams drilling around the clock and making progress at an average of 2 meters per day, Priscu says they're on track to break through within the week. "This is an epic event. I really wish them luck," he says. "I wish I was out there with them."

After drilling 3720 meters last February, time ran out for the team and the project was stymied just 29.5 meters from its destination as winter set in. Over the summer, they modified their drill bits and now the team is back at work with plenty of time to spare. They had left the large hole filled with antifreeze, so it was ready and waiting for them. It will remain open for years to come, Priscu says, potentially allowing other teams to sample the waters in the future.

It's a nerve-wracking moment for the drillers, however. The lake water is under immense pressure, making it imperative that the team's calculations are correct. In the worst case scenario, Priscu says, "water could come up the hole and degas explosively, blowing out the whole borehole."

[link to news.sciencemag.org]

Obviously, this is uncharted territory, a first for mankind.
sounds like many things could go wrong. I wish them all the best!

This is incredible news! For 14 millian years it has been sealed under the ice. If life exists in Lake Vostok it will further the evidence that life can exist elsewhere in the cosmos, such as Jupiter's moon Europa and beyond.

If the Russians stay on schedule, they should breach the lake by tomorrow!

I can't wait to hear about their findings.

RazorX
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this is major.
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What will they find?

Just watch THE THING!!!
All is divine in your minds eye.

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We have a drilling gap on our hands people! The Ruskies are drilling where only Americans should rightfull screw things up.
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Get ready for super bugs to be released, or super viruses

This week, a Russian team drilling into Lake Vostok in the center of the Antarctic continent is likely to break through the ice to water. It will be the first time that a subglacial lake has been breached. These modern-day explorers hope to discover whether Vostok, which at 5000 km 3 is the third largest lake on the planet, is teeming with hidden, cold-loving life that could have evolved separately from the rest of the world for hundreds of thousands of years.

Microbiologist John Priscu of Montana State University in Bozeman, who was one of the original planners of the Vostok mission, has been getting regular updates from the Russian team. As of 13 January, they had reached a depth of 3737.5 meters, about 15 meters away from liquid water. With three teams drilling around the clock and making progress at an average of 2 meters per day, Priscu says they're on track to break through within the week. "This is an epic event. I really wish them luck," he says. "I wish I was out there with them."

After drilling 3720 meters last February, time ran out for the team and the project was stymied just 29.5 meters from its destination as winter set in. Over the summer, they modified their drill bits and now the team is back at work with plenty of time to spare. They had left the large hole filled with antifreeze, so it was ready and waiting for them. It will remain open for years to come, Priscu says, potentially allowing other teams to sample the waters in the future.

It's a nerve-wracking moment for the drillers, however. The lake water is under immense pressure, making it imperative that the team's calculations are correct. In the worst case scenario, Priscu says, "water could come up the hole and degas explosively, blowing out the whole borehole."

[link to news.sciencemag.org]

Obviously, this is uncharted territory, a first for mankind.
sounds like many things could go wrong. I wish them all the best!

This is incredible news! For 14 millian years it has been sealed under the ice. If life exists in Lake Vostok it will further the evidence that life can exist elsewhere in the cosmos, such as Jupiter's moon Europa and beyond.

If the Russians stay on schedule, they should breach the lake by tomorrow!

I can't wait to hear about their findings.

RazorX
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It's awesome that the first thing this isolated piece of water will experience is a grand deluge of antifreeze into its virgin waters.
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I sure hope those Russians know what the hell their doing.
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I have been looking for 12 years for info about when this would happen. Only I am more concerned what might come out of that hole more than I worry about what goes in.
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ok cool, don't want a Kraken that smells like my old 76 chevelle leaking radiator
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ohyeah
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It's not drill mud, what they are using is kerosene.
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yes, it is
drill mud is a complex compound made of various solids and fluids to balance the pressure to prevent a blow out, and to remove the chips from the hole

drill mud is a term, along with a product, and no 2 drill muds are the same
did you research it?

dr
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9107471


No, I am recounting what was explained in a documentary as the substance was being pumped back up to the surface and into a receptacle. It was a clear liquid and they said more than once it was kerosene.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370806


well, being as that there would be a density difference between water at that temp, and kerosene, kerosesn being lighter, (it floats on water) pure kerosene would not work
the two pressure columns need to be equal

if it is pure kerosene, then look forward to a new, and yet more exiting version of DWH

stay tuned...lol

oh and by the way, link for the documentary you just quoted?
thats how it works around here

dr
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Yes, it is immiscible in water and the more highly refined type used in rocket fuel can have a freeze point of -99F.

The video is here:

[link to www.youtube.com]


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"Vostik"....

Russians opened Antarctica.

Russians opened lake "Vostok". Not "Vostic" stupid!

Name "Vostok" - the name was given in honor of the ship, which went to the first successful Antarctic expedition of Admiral Bellingshausen.
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yes, it is
drill mud is a complex compound made of various solids and fluids to balance the pressure to prevent a blow out, and to remove the chips from the hole

drill mud is a term, along with a product, and no 2 drill muds are the same
did you research it?

dr
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9107471


No, I am recounting what was explained in a documentary as the substance was being pumped back up to the surface and into a receptacle. It was a clear liquid and they said more than once it was kerosene.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370806


well, being as that there would be a density difference between water at that temp, and kerosene, kerosesn being lighter, (it floats on water) pure kerosene would not work
the two pressure columns need to be equal

if it is pure kerosene, then look forward to a new, and yet more exiting version of DWH

stay tuned...lol

oh and by the way, link for the documentary you just quoted?
thats how it works around here

dr
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9116926


Yes, it is immiscible in water and the more highly refined type used in rocket fuel can have a freeze point of -99F.

The video is here:

[link to www.youtube.com]


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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370806


fist off, I don't do videos
2nd, do you understand the PVT relationship

(that pressure, volumn, temp)
we have 2 columns, one being drilled and one that already exists, causing the pressure in the lake as it is. the second coulmn is a function of the salt water aka ocean, the frozen water aka ice they have to drill thru, and the density of the fluid to come up thru the hole aka UNKNOWN!

now our first coulmn is a drill, that as we drill down must remove our chips, and make the differential pressure at the tip of the drill zero when referenced to the pressure trying to push back. it OBVIOUSLY is better if the fluid I use to remove the chips, and maintain 0 differential pressure is not disolved by the fluid i expect to encounter in the hole. but, understand this, the density must be slightly HIGHER than the average density of the "theoretical second hole". ya want ta know why, heat. the hole we are drilling is hotter, so the fluid we run in that hole has to be denser

know what the density of water is, easy in metric its 1 (specific gravity)
guess what kerosene is? about 0.815 thats a little less than a 20% difference so lets hope the russians are smarter than you, and the DWH guys, otherwise we got a disaster that makes DWH look like a school kid puking on the special bus
and for the record deepwater missed their estimates of mud density by, in some accounts 40%, so it not that far fetched at all to think this is the opening of another abyess

so please don't refer me to some utube vid, I prefer to do the math, and if you can't....
well...think about it

dr
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No, I am recounting what was explained in a documentary as the substance was being pumped back up to the surface and into a receptacle. It was a clear liquid and they said more than once it was kerosene.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370806


well, being as that there would be a density difference between water at that temp, and kerosene, kerosesn being lighter, (it floats on water) pure kerosene would not work
the two pressure columns need to be equal

if it is pure kerosene, then look forward to a new, and yet more exiting version of DWH

stay tuned...lol

oh and by the way, link for the documentary you just quoted?
thats how it works around here

dr
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Yes, it is immiscible in water and the more highly refined type used in rocket fuel can have a freeze point of -99F.

The video is here:

[link to www.youtube.com]


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fist off, I don't do videos
2nd, do you understand the PVT relationship

(that pressure, volumn, temp)
we have 2 columns, one being drilled and one that already exists, causing the pressure in the lake as it is. the second coulmn is a function of the salt water aka ocean, the frozen water aka ice they have to drill thru, and the density of the fluid to come up thru the hole aka UNKNOWN!

now our first coulmn is a drill, that as we drill down must remove our chips, and make the differential pressure at the tip of the drill zero when referenced to the pressure trying to push back. it OBVIOUSLY is better if the fluid I use to remove the chips, and maintain 0 differential pressure is not disolved by the fluid i expect to encounter in the hole. but, understand this, the density must be slightly HIGHER than the average density of the "theoretical second hole". ya want ta know why, heat. the hole we are drilling is hotter, so the fluid we run in that hole has to be denser

know what the density of water is, easy in metric its 1 (specific gravity)
guess what kerosene is? about 0.815 thats a little less than a 20% difference so lets hope the russians are smarter than you, and the DWH guys, otherwise we got a disaster that makes DWH look like a school kid puking on the special bus
and for the record deepwater missed their estimates of mud density by, in some accounts 40%, so it not that far fetched at all to think this is the opening of another abyess

so please don't refer me to some utube vid, I prefer to do the math, and if you can't....
well...think about it

dr
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Wow, you wrote all that for me?? What a condescending little pecker of a man you are.
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well, being as that there would be a density difference between water at that temp, and kerosene, kerosesn being lighter, (it floats on water) pure kerosene would not work
the two pressure columns need to be equal

if it is pure kerosene, then look forward to a new, and yet more exiting version of DWH

stay tuned...lol

oh and by the way, link for the documentary you just quoted?
thats how it works around here

dr
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Yes, it is immiscible in water and the more highly refined type used in rocket fuel can have a freeze point of -99F.

The video is here:

[link to www.youtube.com]


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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370806


fist off, I don't do videos
2nd, do you understand the PVT relationship

(that pressure, volumn, temp)
we have 2 columns, one being drilled and one that already exists, causing the pressure in the lake as it is. the second coulmn is a function of the salt water aka ocean, the frozen water aka ice they have to drill thru, and the density of the fluid to come up thru the hole aka UNKNOWN!

now our first coulmn is a drill, that as we drill down must remove our chips, and make the differential pressure at the tip of the drill zero when referenced to the pressure trying to push back. it OBVIOUSLY is better if the fluid I use to remove the chips, and maintain 0 differential pressure is not disolved by the fluid i expect to encounter in the hole. but, understand this, the density must be slightly HIGHER than the average density of the "theoretical second hole". ya want ta know why, heat. the hole we are drilling is hotter, so the fluid we run in that hole has to be denser

know what the density of water is, easy in metric its 1 (specific gravity)
guess what kerosene is? about 0.815 thats a little less than a 20% difference so lets hope the russians are smarter than you, and the DWH guys, otherwise we got a disaster that makes DWH look like a school kid puking on the special bus
and for the record deepwater missed their estimates of mud density by, in some accounts 40%, so it not that far fetched at all to think this is the opening of another abyess

so please don't refer me to some utube vid, I prefer to do the math, and if you can't....
well...think about it

dr
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Wow, you wrote all that for me?? What a condescending little pecker of a man you are.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370806


Actually you are referring to basic Kerosene. Rocket fuel uses high density kerosene that is between 1.3 and 1.75. So with your calculations that should make this perfectly acceptable.
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well, being as that there would be a density difference between water at that temp, and kerosene, kerosesn being lighter, (it floats on water) pure kerosene would not work
the two pressure columns need to be equal

if it is pure kerosene, then look forward to a new, and yet more exiting version of DWH

stay tuned...lol

oh and by the way, link for the documentary you just quoted?
thats how it works around here

dr
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9116926


Yes, it is immiscible in water and the more highly refined type used in rocket fuel can have a freeze point of -99F.

The video is here:

[link to www.youtube.com]


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fist off, I don't do videos
2nd, do you understand the PVT relationship

(that pressure, volumn, temp)
we have 2 columns, one being drilled and one that already exists, causing the pressure in the lake as it is. the second coulmn is a function of the salt water aka ocean, the frozen water aka ice they have to drill thru, and the density of the fluid to come up thru the hole aka UNKNOWN!

now our first coulmn is a drill, that as we drill down must remove our chips, and make the differential pressure at the tip of the drill zero when referenced to the pressure trying to push back. it OBVIOUSLY is better if the fluid I use to remove the chips, and maintain 0 differential pressure is not disolved by the fluid i expect to encounter in the hole. but, understand this, the density must be slightly HIGHER than the average density of the "theoretical second hole". ya want ta know why, heat. the hole we are drilling is hotter, so the fluid we run in that hole has to be denser

know what the density of water is, easy in metric its 1 (specific gravity)
guess what kerosene is? about 0.815 thats a little less than a 20% difference so lets hope the russians are smarter than you, and the DWH guys, otherwise we got a disaster that makes DWH look like a school kid puking on the special bus
and for the record deepwater missed their estimates of mud density by, in some accounts 40%, so it not that far fetched at all to think this is the opening of another abyess

so please don't refer me to some utube vid, I prefer to do the math, and if you can't....
well...think about it

dr
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9116926


Wow, you wrote all that for me?? What a condescending little pecker of a man you are.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370806


full of self importance, are we???
it was written for all, so people do not have to take the work of mindless utube vids as complete fact

and its nice to see you had useful scientific input to give to the thread. this is the kind of stuff I do, contribute factual information. I don't do it to be mean, i do it because it has to be done...it usually kills threads too...lol

dr
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Yes, it is immiscible in water and the more highly refined type used in rocket fuel can have a freeze point of -99F.

The video is here:

[link to www.youtube.com]


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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370806


fist off, I don't do videos
2nd, do you understand the PVT relationship

(that pressure, volumn, temp)
we have 2 columns, one being drilled and one that already exists, causing the pressure in the lake as it is. the second coulmn is a function of the salt water aka ocean, the frozen water aka ice they have to drill thru, and the density of the fluid to come up thru the hole aka UNKNOWN!

now our first coulmn is a drill, that as we drill down must remove our chips, and make the differential pressure at the tip of the drill zero when referenced to the pressure trying to push back. it OBVIOUSLY is better if the fluid I use to remove the chips, and maintain 0 differential pressure is not disolved by the fluid i expect to encounter in the hole. but, understand this, the density must be slightly HIGHER than the average density of the "theoretical second hole". ya want ta know why, heat. the hole we are drilling is hotter, so the fluid we run in that hole has to be denser

know what the density of water is, easy in metric its 1 (specific gravity)
guess what kerosene is? about 0.815 thats a little less than a 20% difference so lets hope the russians are smarter than you, and the DWH guys, otherwise we got a disaster that makes DWH look like a school kid puking on the special bus
and for the record deepwater missed their estimates of mud density by, in some accounts 40%, so it not that far fetched at all to think this is the opening of another abyess

so please don't refer me to some utube vid, I prefer to do the math, and if you can't....
well...think about it

dr
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9116926


Wow, you wrote all that for me?? What a condescending little pecker of a man you are.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370806


Actually you are referring to basic Kerosene. Rocket fuel uses high density kerosene that is between 1.3 and 1.75. So with your calculations that should make this perfectly acceptable.
 Quoting: Shizzle


I would agree that rocket fuel could be used. There would be much safer compounds to add though. add density, without flamibility kind of thing. probably a mix with varying ratios. during the drilling process they often have to mix various compounds, and constantly correct to maintain the down hole pressure, and keept from kicking back. I would also suspect they have to use something as a vapor retardent to keep the danger of explosion, and gassing the workers down, being as that stuff has to come up to with the chips into an open container, the chips pulled out and the same fluid recirculated to save material

dr
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actually I found out what he may have meant by using kerosene. On wiki it says they used a mixture of freon and kerosene to fill the bore hole.
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The drilling technique employed thus far by the Russians has involved the use of freon and kerosene to lubricate the borehole and prevent it from collapsing and freezing over; 60 tons of these chemicals have been used thus far on the ice above Lake Vostok.
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It's not drill mud, what they are using is kerosene.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370806


yes, it is
drill mud is a complex compound made of various solids and fluids to balance the pressure to prevent a blow out, and to remove the chips from the hole

drill mud is a term, along with a product, and no 2 drill muds are the same
did you research it?

dr
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9107471


No, I am recounting what was explained in a documentary as the substance was being pumped back up to the surface and into a receptacle. It was a clear liquid and they said more than once it was kerosene.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370806


well, being as that there would be a density difference between water at that temp, and kerosene, kerosesn being lighter, (it floats on water) pure kerosene would not work
the two pressure columns need to be equal

if it is pure kerosene, then look forward to a new, and yet more exiting version of DWH

stay tuned...lol

oh and by the way, link for the documentary you just quoted?
thats how it works around here

dr
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9116926


I know that this Lake is known since many years
but they didn't drill because of the possible contamination,
so they tried to develop new Techniques,
i am nearly sure they manage to find a solution
without wasting the whole Lake and their Results!

Highly interesting Topico, 5 Stars, Domo!
G.Y.!B.E.
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so the kerosene was used with the freon in order to keep the hole from freezing. The lubricant for the drill is most likely a silicone based lubricant.

[link to www.prometeus.nsc.ru]
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Absolutely fascinating stuff. I too initially worried about the anti-freeze -- and harmful effects.

I am excited to know what they do find, and am praying that something is not unleaashed that shouldn't be.
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01/19/2012 09:06 AM
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Re: All Eyes on Lake Vostok...To Be Breached Today!!!
This story seems weird to me. I don't pretend to know anything about drilling at those depths but why does it take 24 hours to drill down just 2 meters in ice? I guess I could see if it were solid rock or something like that but ice? Heck my little ice auger can cut an 8" hole through 24 inches of ice in under a minute. Also, at those depths, why wouldn't the water pressure break the remaining ice at the bottom of the hole?

Anyone know the answers to these questions?
 Quoting: Hawgzilla


The water pressure will eventually help break the ice remaining at the bottom. In fact, the pressure being released has been discussed amongst the scientist who are working on this and other drillings happening in antarctica. They have hypthosiezed that pressure being released could throw off the balance of the ice sheet creating "unknown damage."

Lake Vostok is not an isolated lake. There is a massive network of subterranean lakes including Vostok.

But anyway.. at the end of Lake Vostok is what’s known as a gigantic masscon—a mass concentration of metal, very similar to the masscons they discovered on the Moon — a gigantic, circular-shaped, metallic object deep under the ice at the end of Lake Vostok. So between the "unknown damage" this could create and the masscon there has been quite a few delays in the prusuit of this objective.
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But it is our opinion that what they are doing now, right now, is rushed. The objectives a few are prusuing may have direct consequences to the many.
 Quoting: Kori 3722011


disagree, its a magnetic anomoly

link or its just your opinion on the cylinderical object
it actually looks a lot like what ancient cities look like using that tech

masscons? google doesn't even return a good def of your terms

dr
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Take the time to read through the thread. There have been quite a few links posted already with all the information to satisfy your questions.
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01/19/2012 09:16 AM
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Again since I am on my phone I can't look through the links and provide anything I great length, but I believe either OP or I posted a link where it explains how they are drilling in detail.

Im almost positive they are using the drill to break through the ice instead they are using the lakes own pressure.

Yea I am almost positive I read that in this thread, ppl please read through thread and links before further factual debunking of sorts. Between OP, SS, and a few others there is A TON of solid information in this thread.

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