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The Samson Option is a term used to describe Israel’s alleged deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a “last resort” against nations whose military attacks threaten its existence, and possibly against other targets as well

It is a well known term. Google it.

So, has anyone here actually thought about Irans Samson Option?

Surely there must be one.

What does Iran have (not nuclear weapons apparently), that has thestrongest western power so hesitant to ACT? By act I do not mean a letter or mention of "red lines" etc.

That is just a puff up.

What is it exactly that the western powers (include Israel in this as well, they beating war drums too) knowabout Irans capability to inflict devastating damage world wide that has prevented effective action since the Iranian revolution?

Just what has Iran got up its sleeve?

If it can currently hold off the most aggresive military power in the modern world, a few nukes in its arsenal will only be to strengthen an already (apparently) unassailable position.

What is Irans Samson Option?

Thoughts?

Update


You will need to read the first page to see the relevance of the following updates...

Jan 10 2012
[link to www.hindustantimes.com]
Oil refinery blast leads to fire, 7 injured
The banned United Liberation Front of Asom (Ulfa) claimed responsibility for the blasts but refinery authorities attributed it to a technical snag.

Feb 17 2012
[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]
A large fire broke out at the BP oil refinery at Cherry Point, near Ferndale, Friday afternoon.

Pictures from SkyKING showed a huge column of black smoke, with intermittent bursts of fire coming out of the refinery's south tower.

Feb 22 2012
[link to www.lasvegassun.com]

Fire at Egypt oil refinery kills 4 workers

Feb 24 2012
[link to www.katc.com]
Acadia Gas Plant Explosion

Feb 24 2012
[link to www.csb.gov]
Fire extinguished at Citgo Corpus Christi refinery -notice

24 Feb 2012
[link to abclocal.go.com]
6.3-million gallons spilled at NJ refinery


Feb 27 2012
[link to www.info4fire.com]
Firefighters battle Essex power station blaze. More than 100 firefighters are tackling a severe blaze which has broken out at Tilbury power station in Essex.

1 March 2012
[link to www.presstv.ir]
[link to www.presstv.ir]
Explosion destroys oil pipelines in Saudi Arabia's Awamiya
Thread: BREAKING! OIL Pipeline explodes in Saudi Arabia - one of the world's largest

[link to www.asmconsortium.net]

Update March 19 Interesting, no incidents reported since March 14 2012....

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However, what has been lost in the shuffle is the fact that Iran is already producing chemical and biological weapons. These are weapons of mass destruction - and American policy is very clear: If attacked by chemical or biological weapons, the United States will respond with nuclear weapons. Iran's major chemical weapons production facility is based at Damghan, about 300 kilometers east of Tehran. American intelligence agencies estimate that Iran is producing 1,000 tons of chemical weapons a year, including mustard gas, phosgene, and various cyanide agents. These agents are older technology than the sarin nerve gas used in the 1995 Tokyo subway attack, but they can still kill.



Iran is also working on biological weapons as well. Intelligence agencies suspect Iran is working on smallpox, which officially has been eradicated save for samples being kept in the United States and Russia. Smallpox incubates for about 12 days, is highly contagious, and kills anywhere from 20 to 40 percent of its victims. Survivors are often left blind in at least one eye. Its nastiness is compounded by the fact that the last known case was in 1978, and there are very few, if any, physicians who have experience treating the disease.



Iran's other projects in the biological realm are biotoxins. Unlike biological weapons, they do not rely on having the initial victims infect more people. They are more accurately described as delayed-action chemical weapons. Iran is reportedly working on two types of biotoxins: Mycotoxins (fungi) and ricin. The mycotoxins would likely be used against food supplies - often to cause economic disruption. Ricin, which was used to lace a letter sent to Senator Bill Frist's office in 2004, is intended to kill victims directly - its most famous use being the assassination of Gregory Markov in London in 1978.

[link to www.strategypage.com]
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The only thing iran has is the power to disrupt western economy by closing the straights of hormuz.

But by now the us has enough flight carriers and destroyers to prenevent this from happening...

Mt guess is if a war erupted iran would launch a massive naval assualt in the straight of hormuz and try to sink as many boats as posssible be it just regular oil tankers to military targets in order intall fear over there and disrupt the oil supply route.

Remember that 1/3 of the oil travels trough that area!

If a small fraction of those oil tankers were to be halted there would be immediate specultion on oil prices and naturally they woul shoot through the roof.

In the actual economic context that would be reallly reaaallllllyyy badddddd for the western economies. Since they are already showing weak anual growth....

So the only power iran has is the power to deteriorate the western economy greatly by disrupting the oil routes.

And that's it iran is still a third world country!

It's still a country that buys outclassed military gear from russia and some asian countries.

Of they have a few home made stuff too but trust me nothing that would remotely scare the us bulldozer.

They can hope to trigger escalation in their favor and try to lure russia or china into their conflict but that's hardly going to be the case.

So the bottomline is iran will be destroyed if a war starts with the us and the western economy will suffer greatly due to the oil disruptions and fear it will create globally.
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However, what has been lost in the shuffle is the fact that Iran is already producing chemical and biological weapons. These are weapons of mass destruction - and American policy is very clear: If attacked by chemical or biological weapons, the United States will respond with nuclear weapons. Iran's major chemical weapons production facility is based at Damghan, about 300 kilometers east of Tehran. American intelligence agencies estimate that Iran is producing 1,000 tons of chemical weapons a year, including mustard gas, phosgene, and various cyanide agents. These agents are older technology than the sarin nerve gas used in the 1995 Tokyo subway attack, but they can still kill.



Iran is also working on biological weapons as well. Intelligence agencies suspect Iran is working on smallpox, which officially has been eradicated save for samples being kept in the United States and Russia. Smallpox incubates for about 12 days, is highly contagious, and kills anywhere from 20 to 40 percent of its victims. Survivors are often left blind in at least one eye. Its nastiness is compounded by the fact that the last known case was in 1978, and there are very few, if any, physicians who have experience treating the disease.



Iran's other projects in the biological realm are biotoxins. Unlike biological weapons, they do not rely on having the initial victims infect more people. They are more accurately described as delayed-action chemical weapons. Iran is reportedly working on two types of biotoxins: Mycotoxins (fungi) and ricin. The mycotoxins would likely be used against food supplies - often to cause economic disruption. Ricin, which was used to lace a letter sent to Senator Bill Frist's office in 2004, is intended to kill victims directly - its most famous use being the assassination of Gregory Markov in London in 1978.

[link to www.strategypage.com]
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Wow so now they have mushrooms too.

I guess they could send them in the same package as the nuclear warheads they don't have.

Then they could coock those mushrooms using nuclear mushrooms. hhmm
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Hopefully Iran will do the world a favor and wipe out millions of jewish people!
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Save it Ruskie. Not for this thread.
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The only thing iran has is the power to disrupt western economy by closing the straights of hormuz.

But by now the us has enough flight carriers and destroyers to prenevent this from happening...

Mt guess is if a war erupted iran would launch a massive naval assualt in the straight of hormuz and try to sink as many boats as posssible be it just regular oil tankers to military targets in order intall fear over there and disrupt the oil supply route.

Remember that 1/3 of the oil travels trough that area!

If a small fraction of those oil tankers were to be halted there would be immediate specultion on oil prices and naturally they woul shoot through the roof.

In the actual economic context that would be reallly reaaallllllyyy badddddd for the western economies. Since they are already showing weak anual growth....

So the only power iran has is the power to deteriorate the western economy greatly by disrupting the oil routes.

And that's it iran is still a third world country!

It's still a country that buys outclassed military gear from russia and some asian countries.

Of they have a few home made stuff too but trust me nothing that would remotely scare the us bulldozer.

They can hope to trigger escalation in their favor and try to lure russia or china into their conflict but that's hardly going to be the case.

So the bottomline is iran will be destroyed if a war starts with the us and the western economy will suffer greatly due to the oil disruptions and fear it will create globally.
 Quoting: Ninja 1337378

Closing the strait is not a Samson Option.

It is a disruption. Nothing more.
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The only thing iran has is the power to disrupt western economy by closing the straights of hormuz.

But by now the us has enough flight carriers and destroyers to prenevent this from happening...

Mt guess is if a war erupted iran would launch a massive naval assualt in the straight of hormuz and try to sink as many boats as posssible be it just regular oil tankers to military targets in order intall fear over there and disrupt the oil supply route.

Remember that 1/3 of the oil travels trough that area!

If a small fraction of those oil tankers were to be halted there would be immediate specultion on oil prices and naturally they woul shoot through the roof.

In the actual economic context that would be reallly reaaallllllyyy badddddd for the western economies. Since they are already showing weak anual growth....

So the only power iran has is the power to deteriorate the western economy greatly by disrupting the oil routes.

And that's it iran is still a third world country!

It's still a country that buys outclassed military gear from russia and some asian countries.

Of they have a few home made stuff too but trust me nothing that would remotely scare the us bulldozer.

They can hope to trigger escalation in their favor and try to lure russia or china into their conflict but that's hardly going to be the case.

So the bottomline is iran will be destroyed if a war starts with the us and the western economy will suffer greatly due to the oil disruptions and fear it will create globally.
 Quoting: Ninja 1337378

Closing the strait is not a Samson Option.

It is a disruption. Nothing more.
 Quoting: Baldrick


Then i'm afraid iran has no samson option.

Unless they secrtly bought some killer germs that is.

Na The straights of hormuz is really the only thing preventing the us from massivly shocking and awing iranian soil.
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The only thing iran has is the power to disrupt western economy by closing the straights of hormuz.

But by now the us has enough flight carriers and destroyers to prenevent this from happening...

Mt guess is if a war erupted iran would launch a massive naval assualt in the straight of hormuz and try to sink as many boats as posssible be it just regular oil tankers to military targets in order intall fear over there and disrupt the oil supply route.

Remember that 1/3 of the oil travels trough that area!

If a small fraction of those oil tankers were to be halted there would be immediate specultion on oil prices and naturally they woul shoot through the roof.

In the actual economic context that would be reallly reaaallllllyyy badddddd for the western economies. Since they are already showing weak anual growth....

So the only power iran has is the power to deteriorate the western economy greatly by disrupting the oil routes.

And that's it iran is still a third world country!

It's still a country that buys outclassed military gear from russia and some asian countries.

Of they have a few home made stuff too but trust me nothing that would remotely scare the us bulldozer.

They can hope to trigger escalation in their favor and try to lure russia or china into their conflict but that's hardly going to be the case.

So the bottomline is iran will be destroyed if a war starts with the us and the western economy will suffer greatly due to the oil disruptions and fear it will create globally.
 Quoting: Ninja 1337378

Closing the strait is not a Samson Option.

It is a disruption. Nothing more.
 Quoting: Baldrick


Then i'm afraid iran has no samson option.

Unless they secrtly bought some killer germs that is.

Na The straights of hormuz is really the only thing preventing the us from massivly shocking and awing iranian soil.
 Quoting: NInja 1337378


Every country has the option that Iran has. Iran has the organisation and will to implement it on command should it become necessary.

Target the oil refineries.

[link to www.debka.com]

In the past 48 hours, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Turkey have alerted Washington to intelligence reports of Iranian Al Qods Brigades operatives heading their way for attacks on oil installations and American targets. The alert was accompanied by a query about how the US intended to respond to the approaching menace.

There has been only one report in relation to this reported by Debka. All other links are blogs and forums linking back to this Debka report.

Take it for what its worth.
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Al Qods force geographic field of operation

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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I will check back later.

Any input welcome.
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Anti western oil embargo by Venezuela, Ecuador, Nigeria, Angola and possibly others.

Activation of terror cells worldwide. Attacking oil and transport hubs.

Attacks against US assest by Iran allies. Venezuela, Cuba, Mexican narco cartels, West and East African miltias, Pakistan, Afghan Northern alliance, Rusia and China sponsered criminal organisations.

North Korea creating tension/war, possibly by attacking Okinawa.

Iranian special forces attacking shipping in the Red Sea from bases in Sudan and Eritrea.

Launching gps guiding missiles from ships (scuds-in-a-bucket).

Hacking and disrupting computer networks.
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Anti western oil embargo by Venezuela, Ecuador, Nigeria, Angola and possibly others.

Activation of terror cells worldwide. Attacking oil and transport hubs.

Attacks against US assest by Iran allies. Venezuela, Cuba, Mexican narco cartels, West and East African miltias, Pakistan, Afghan Northern alliance, Rusia and China sponsered criminal organisations.

North Korea creating tension/war, possibly by attacking Okinawa.

Iranian special forces attacking shipping in the Red Sea from bases in Sudan and Eritrea.

Launching gps guiding missiles from ships (scuds-in-a-bucket).

Hacking and disrupting computer networks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 998738


All the above mentioned can be translated into one expression = wishfull thinking.

Iran is being given too much credit for what it is really worth. The same applied to iraq the same applied to afghanistan. Both were conquered as if they didn't exist at all.

Why do people thing iran is so much different?

The outcome of a war is determined by military strenght which is defined by the level of technological advancement in this respect the us is lightyears ahead of iran.

And knowing they have a pletora of secret weapons too one might assume iran will be conquered in the same fashion as iraq. Maybe if iran succeeds in disrupting oil supplies it can deal some damage to the us and europe.

Time will tell in the mean time let's just hope a war will flare up over there cuz there is a real lack of doom...

The daily news is becoming so increadibly boring.

Sssssssssssoooooooooooooo Boooooooooooorrringggggggggg
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Anti western oil embargo by Venezuela, Ecuador, Nigeria, Angola and possibly others.

Activation of terror cells worldwide. Attacking oil and transport hubs.

Attacks against US assest by Iran allies. Venezuela, Cuba, Mexican narco cartels, West and East African miltias, Pakistan, Afghan Northern alliance, Rusia and China sponsered criminal organisations.

North Korea creating tension/war, possibly by attacking Okinawa.

Iranian special forces attacking shipping in the Red Sea from bases in Sudan and Eritrea.

Launching gps guiding missiles from ships (scuds-in-a-bucket).

Hacking and disrupting computer networks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 998738


That is a frightenening scenario.

And makes sense.

Its the common sense response from a position of low tech (developing country) to a high tech (developed country).
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Aussie you made interesting points and questions here ... ummm...
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iraq didnt have it,or atleast never used it,
the same can be said about libya and afghanistan...
i wonder if iran will be that much more diffirent
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iraq didnt have it,or atleast never used it,
the same can be said about libya and afghanistan...
i wonder if iran will be that much more diffirent
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I dunno.

Iran appears to have a game plan that is causing the major powers to be very cautious.
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MOSSAD are quite happy to kill off those running the nuclear program.

Iran can only respond in kind if they hope to avoid the trap.
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quite simple really

the world is sick and tired of US and friends policing bullshit, its obvious what allied poweres are doing is resource/land wars for illegal gains

the only deterance iran really has is the fact that now people are waking up to the actions of these criminals in US/israel that conduct these phoney terror wars

russia + china + blatantly obvious nato/allied war crimes/schemes= irans samson

iran is the middle man, its not about them

this is east vs west now
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Lets take on scenario. The targeting and destruction of oil refineries throughout the ME.

Oil refineries are described as a hub.

If an oil refinery is destroyed, how long to repair or rebuild?

If multiple refineries are targeted, oil will stop.

How to repair or rebuild those refineries if there is no oil?

Sure, countries have reserves. Are those reserves sufficient enough to not only deal with the stoppage of oil flow, but also deal with the civil upheaval caused by an oil stoppage?

All European countries will have to immediately begin rationing. Only the military will have access to the reserves.

What happens to the civilian population if oil restricts or stops distribution?

Transport. Electricity. Water. Food. Health services.

If there is no oil, civilisation ends.
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Got food?
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I'll check back later.

Any input welcome.
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I remembered this ...

www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/04/iran_animal_launch/

and thought, "My God! If they managed to mutant 'em, they'll have two of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, their rat sensei, AND a bunch of Earthworm Jim's on their side! We won't stand a chance!"

ahhhRun for the hills!
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I remembered this ...

www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/04/iran_animal_launch/

and thought, "My God! If they managed to mutate 'em, they'll have two of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, their rat sensei, AND a bunch of Earthworm Jim's on their side! We won't stand a chance!"

ahhhRun for the hills!
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i'm not trying to deny the merit of your question, it's a good and intriguing one.

But, on the other hand, both iraq and afghanistan were failed states, the first, sustained a decade of sanctions and military campaigns, the last, an entire history of invasions.

Iran, surely isn't close to any first world nation in its standards, but unlike those other two, still is well organized; although facing some disruptive embargoes it would certainly be the toughest military adversary to face USA in our recent history.

It has a strong economy and their military assets and personnel are well trained and somewhat up-to-date. Obviously, i suppose, USA might is far greater, nonetheless, iran would be the first 'wholesome' nation they are about to tackle.
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lot of talk but no one really answered OPs question.
If Iran does not have a sampson option then why oh why has it not been attacked? Unless of course it does have the sampson option.
Many on this thread try to put down Iran and how she will be blasted to nothingness. Yet not a single one of these guys have explained as to why Iran has not been invaded up to now.

Take a look at recent history.
Rafsanjani and Khatami were past presidents of Iran before Ahmadinejad who co oporated with West and froze the nuclear work. So there was no need for an attack except keeping Iran in check by some loose sanctions.

Ahmadinejad was elected and started the nuclear project for power station that had been put on hold. Why didn't USA attack then?
Since then USA and Europe have attempted a coup and a revolution that failed.
Have tried countless sanctions with no effect.
Have killed many scientists.
Stuxnet etc etc etc.

They have attempted everything except a direct attack. WHY?
MY guess is that Iran has indeed a sampson option but its one that many of you will never understand on a material level.
The option is this
Despite what you hear on western propeganda MSM, Iran president is very very popular. Specially among common people. And the strongest possible deterant has to be the level of loyalty people have towards their leader. In this case Ahmadinejad.
USA had no problem going in to Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya because their leaders had lost touch with their people. This is presently the case with Kuwait, Saudi, UAE, Qatar etc etc but it is not the case in Iran.
USA can bomb Iran in to nothingness and troops can go in to invade but the risistance of people would make it impossible for them to win the war. The West knows this clearly and that is why they have attempted to demonise Ahmadinejad on so many levels. It has not worked as far as people of Iran are concerned and that is exactly why USA has not attacked so far.
THey simply know they can not win.

Someone earlier said that winnig a war is all about weapons and tech but anyone who is spiritually in the know would know that this is clearly not the case.
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BP strikes again!

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Quds Force?
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I will be periodically updating this thread with any major instances of incidents at oil refineries world wide.

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[link to www.usw.org]

Linking as part of thread topic as source reference material

Weekly reports of Oil refinery incidents

The USW is providing a weekly list of process safety upsets and refinery events to inform our members and the public of how frequent these incidents happen at U.S. oil refineries. The information listed is from the Department of Energy website and only includes incidents that have been reported to the government and the media.
Blackadder: Baldrick, how did you manage to find a turnip that cost £400 000?
Baldrick: Well, I had to haggle.
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Re: Irans Samson Option. Oil refineries? Incidents Update 1 March 2012 No 8
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Fire erupts at Iranian petrochemical complex
Blackadder: Baldrick, how did you manage to find a turnip that cost £400 000?
Baldrick: Well, I had to haggle.
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Re: Irans Samson Option. Oil refineries? Incidents Update 1 March 2012 No 8
The samson project Israel fires a nuke falls back down on Tel aviv
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02/19/2012 06:18 PM
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Re: Irans Samson Option. Oil refineries? Incidents Update 1 March 2012 No 8
If Iran is going down, they should take Saudi Arabia down to the ground with them......

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