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NASA admits "Persistent Contrails" are GEOENGINEERING - Chemtrail FACTS
Geoengineering 201 – Chemtrails, Contrails, and Global Dimming
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"Both SO2 (which forms sulfate particles) and soot particles from aircraft exhaust are aerosols—microscopic particles suspended in air. They act like seeds. Water molecules can condense or freeze on them to form cloud particles.

Aircraft exhaust produces contrails—condensation trails in the atmosphere about 5 miles above the Earth's surface. At these high altitudes, contrails and cirrus clouds form depending on the quantity of water vapor and atmospheric conditions.

Contrails and cirrus clouds both reflect sunlight that would otherwise warm the Earth's surface. At the same time, they absorb heat from the ground instead of allowing it to escape. Do they contribute to global warming or global cooling? The scientific community is still trying to answer that question.

Contrails contribute to the phenomenon known as "global change." Right now this effect is small, but it is growing. Although scientists are uncertain about the impact of contrails on global change, they believe that persistent contrails, those that last longer than a few minutes, gradually develop into cirrus clouds. Over the past 40 years, cloudiness seems to have increased. If this is in fact true, then this continual increase in cloudiness may lead to global climate change because it will change the amount of radiation entering and leaving the Earth's atmosphere. This characteristic of aircraft engine exhaust may act in a way similar to the effects produced by greenhouse gases.

What effect, if any, do contrails have on weather? Answering this accurately is difficult because so many factors affect weather. However, many meteorologists believe increased jet traffic and the contrails it produces have altered the weather. They point out that areas of high jet traffic show the greatest change. Although circumstantial, evidence seems to indicate that contrails do affect climate. Glenn's contribution of a new generation of highly efficient, clean-burning aircraft engines will reduce the amount of aerosols in the upper atmosphere, which will in turn lessen the effect of increased air traffic on climate."

[link to www.nasa.gov]

Geoengineers weapon of choice for Solar Radiation Management (SRM) is sulphur as this is what naturally occurs in volcanic eruption.

Nasa says airlines leave sulfur trails, and over the last 40 years are blocking out the sun.

Global Dimming, Wikipedia:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"The phenomenon underlying global dimming may also have regional effects. While most of the earth has warmed, the regions that are downwind from major sources of air pollution (specifically sulfur dioxide emissions) have generally cooled. This may explain the cooling of the eastern United States relative to the warming western part."

"However some research shows that black carbon will actually increase global warming, being second only to CO2. They believe that soot will absorb solar energy and transport it to other areas such as the Himalayas where glacial melting occurs. It can also darken Arctic ice reducing reflectivity and increasing absorption of solar radiation.[30]
Latham, J.; Salter, S. (PDF). Preventing global warming by increasing cloud albedo. Retrieved 2008-04-20. (A brief handout, with artist's renderings.)"

The CFR/IPCC want to inject sulfur and aluminum in the air to conduct SRM.







They have to realize, SRM geoengineering has been underway for 40 years.

/facepalm

The rest of the details on Geoengineering can be found here:
[link to r3zn8d.wordpress.com]



Yet they "test" geoengineering anyway....



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Take that George B.
we're here to go
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yeah, this explains a lot
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Geoengineering 201 – Chemtrails, Contrails, and Global Dimming
[link to r3zn8d.wordpress.com]

"Both SO2 (which forms sulfate particles) and soot particles from aircraft exhaust are aerosols—microscopic particles suspended in air. They act like seeds. Water molecules can condense or freeze on them to form cloud particles.

Aircraft exhaust produces contrails—condensation trails in the atmosphere about 5 miles above the Earth's surface. At these high altitudes, contrails and cirrus clouds form depending on the quantity of water vapor and atmospheric conditions.

Contrails and cirrus clouds both reflect sunlight that would otherwise warm the Earth's surface. At the same time, they absorb heat from the ground instead of allowing it to escape. Do they contribute to global warming or global cooling? The scientific community is still trying to answer that question.

Contrails contribute to the phenomenon known as "global change." Right now this effect is small, but it is growing. Although scientists are uncertain about the impact of contrails on global change, they believe that persistent contrails, those that last longer than a few minutes, gradually develop into cirrus clouds. Over the past 40 years, cloudiness seems to have increased. If this is in fact true, then this continual increase in cloudiness may lead to global climate change because it will change the amount of radiation entering and leaving the Earth's atmosphere. This characteristic of aircraft engine exhaust may act in a way similar to the effects produced by greenhouse gases.

What effect, if any, do contrails have on weather? Answering this accurately is difficult because so many factors affect weather. However, many meteorologists believe increased jet traffic and the contrails it produces have altered the weather. They point out that areas of high jet traffic show the greatest change. Although circumstantial, evidence seems to indicate that contrails do affect climate. Glenn's contribution of a new generation of highly efficient, clean-burning aircraft engines will reduce the amount of aerosols in the upper atmosphere, which will in turn lessen the effect of increased air traffic on climate."

[link to www.nasa.gov]

Geoengineers weapon of choice for Solar Radiation Management (SRM) is sulphur as this is what naturally occurs in volcanic eruption.

Nasa says airlines leave sulfur trails, and over the last 40 years are blocking out the sun.

Global Dimming, Wikipedia:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"The phenomenon underlying global dimming may also have regional effects. While most of the earth has warmed, the regions that are downwind from major sources of air pollution (specifically sulfur dioxide emissions) have generally cooled. This may explain the cooling of the eastern United States relative to the warming western part."

"However some research shows that black carbon will actually increase global warming, being second only to CO2. They believe that soot will absorb solar energy and transport it to other areas such as the Himalayas where glacial melting occurs. It can also darken Arctic ice reducing reflectivity and increasing absorption of solar radiation.[30]
Latham, J.; Salter, S. (PDF). Preventing global warming by increasing cloud albedo. Retrieved 2008-04-20. (A brief handout, with artist's renderings.)"

The CFR/IPCC want to inject sulfur and aluminum in the air to conduct SRM.







They have to realize, SRM geoengineering has been underway for 40 years.

/facepalm

The rest of the details on Geoengineering can be found here:
[link to r3zn8d.wordpress.com]



Yet they "test" geoengineering anyway....


 Quoting: R3zn8D


*sigh*

Al these things say is normal contrails contains particles which act a certain way. There is NOTHING that says it's intentional.

It's BYPRODUCT...nothing more...
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Re: NASA admits "Persistent Contrails" are GEOENGINEERING - Chemtrail FACTS
Geoengineering 201 – Chemtrails, Contrails, and Global Dimming
[link to r3zn8d.wordpress.com]

"Both SO2 (which forms sulfate particles) and soot particles from aircraft exhaust are aerosols—microscopic particles suspended in air. They act like seeds. Water molecules can condense or freeze on them to form cloud particles.

Aircraft exhaust produces contrails—condensation trails in the atmosphere about 5 miles above the Earth's surface. At these high altitudes, contrails and cirrus clouds form depending on the quantity of water vapor and atmospheric conditions.

Contrails and cirrus clouds both reflect sunlight that would otherwise warm the Earth's surface. At the same time, they absorb heat from the ground instead of allowing it to escape. Do they contribute to global warming or global cooling? The scientific community is still trying to answer that question.

Contrails contribute to the phenomenon known as "global change." Right now this effect is small, but it is growing. Although scientists are uncertain about the impact of contrails on global change, they believe that persistent contrails, those that last longer than a few minutes, gradually develop into cirrus clouds. Over the past 40 years, cloudiness seems to have increased. If this is in fact true, then this continual increase in cloudiness may lead to global climate change because it will change the amount of radiation entering and leaving the Earth's atmosphere. This characteristic of aircraft engine exhaust may act in a way similar to the effects produced by greenhouse gases.

What effect, if any, do contrails have on weather? Answering this accurately is difficult because so many factors affect weather. However, many meteorologists believe increased jet traffic and the contrails it produces have altered the weather. They point out that areas of high jet traffic show the greatest change. Although circumstantial, evidence seems to indicate that contrails do affect climate. Glenn's contribution of a new generation of highly efficient, clean-burning aircraft engines will reduce the amount of aerosols in the upper atmosphere, which will in turn lessen the effect of increased air traffic on climate."

[link to www.nasa.gov]

Geoengineers weapon of choice for Solar Radiation Management (SRM) is sulphur as this is what naturally occurs in volcanic eruption.

Nasa says airlines leave sulfur trails, and over the last 40 years are blocking out the sun.

Global Dimming, Wikipedia:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"The phenomenon underlying global dimming may also have regional effects. While most of the earth has warmed, the regions that are downwind from major sources of air pollution (specifically sulfur dioxide emissions) have generally cooled. This may explain the cooling of the eastern United States relative to the warming western part."

"However some research shows that black carbon will actually increase global warming, being second only to CO2. They believe that soot will absorb solar energy and transport it to other areas such as the Himalayas where glacial melting occurs. It can also darken Arctic ice reducing reflectivity and increasing absorption of solar radiation.[30]
Latham, J.; Salter, S. (PDF). Preventing global warming by increasing cloud albedo. Retrieved 2008-04-20. (A brief handout, with artist's renderings.)"

The CFR/IPCC want to inject sulfur and aluminum in the air to conduct SRM.







They have to realize, SRM geoengineering has been underway for 40 years.

/facepalm

The rest of the details on Geoengineering can be found here:
[link to r3zn8d.wordpress.com]



Yet they "test" geoengineering anyway....


 Quoting: R3zn8D


*sigh*

Al these things say is normal contrails contains particles which act a certain way. There is NOTHING that says it's intentional.

It's BYPRODUCT...nothing more...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


whatever

exactly, so you read what I wrote, never said anything about intention.

read the fackin article, chemtrails are not depopulation, or whatever, they are a naturally occurring side-effect of plane exhaust and ice contrail formation, that blocks sunlight, and therefore can be considered "solar radiation management" which is geoengineering.

These trails also increase rainfall (through cloud-seeding) and contribute to respiratory problems.
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exactly, so you read what I wrote, never said anything about intention.

read the fackin article, chemtrails are not depopulation, or whatever, they are a naturally occurring side-effect of plane exhaust and ice contrail formation, that blocks sunlight, and therefore can be considered "solar radiation management" which is geoengineering.

These trails also increase rainfall (through cloud-seeding) and contribute to respiratory problems.
 Quoting: R3zn8D


No, "chemtrails" aren't "chemtrails" at all..they are contrails. They have a name...use it!



If you are going to claim it's "geoengineering", then you must include "unintentional" or "accidental" in front of that word.

Geoengieering suggests that the process/desired outcome has been ENGINEERED...hence, intentional.

And these trails have NOTHING to do with rainfall and are seldom actually seen in the vicinity of rain clouds! I have never seen any evidence that rain has anything to do with the trails...BUT, you will see the trails quite often before a system which produces rain moves into an area...because the atmospheric conditions change as a front moves in.

Are you actually suggesting that because we sometimes see rain after a day of heavy contrails, that the contrails CAUSED the rain?!

NOPE!

And bitching about contrails contributing to respiratory problems is hilarious...considering what we are exposed to down at ground level...all of us...every day...all day.
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NASA didn't "Admit" anything of the sort,More stupid lies!!
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whatever

exactly, so you read what I wrote, never said anything about intention.

read the fackin article, chemtrails are not depopulation, or whatever, they are a naturally occurring side-effect of plane exhaust and ice contrail formation, that blocks sunlight, and therefore can be considered "solar radiation management" which is geoengineering.

These trails also increase rainfall (through cloud-seeding) and contribute to respiratory problems.
 Quoting: R3zn8D


No, "chemtrails" aren't "chemtrails" at all..they are contrails. They have a name...use it!



If you are going to claim it's "geoengineering", then you must include "unintentional" or "accidental" in front of that word.

Geoengieering suggests that the process/desired outcome has been ENGINEERED...hence, intentional.

And these trails have NOTHING to do with rainfall and are seldom actually seen in the vicinity of rain clouds! I have never seen any evidence that rain has anything to do with the trails...BUT, you will see the trails quite often before a system which produces rain moves into an area...because the atmospheric conditions change as a front moves in.

Are you actually suggesting that because we sometimes see rain after a day of heavy contrails, that the contrails CAUSED the rain?!

NOPE!

And bitching about contrails contributing to respiratory problems is hilarious...considering what we are exposed to down at ground level...all of us...every day...all day.
 Quoting: Noble


Chemtrails, contrails, whatever, you have word fear. I suggest you read The Anatomy of Slavespeak
[link to www.buildfreedom.com]

"then you must include "unintentional" or "accidental" in front of that word."

I don't "must" do anything...

geoengineering is man made climate change
aerosols from jets and rocket plumes affect the weather, and airliners in particular are the leading contributor to solar dimming. Respiratory problems, IE fuel dumping, et al

fuck planes
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whatever

exactly, so you read what I wrote, never said anything about intention.

read the fackin article, chemtrails are not depopulation, or whatever, they are a naturally occurring side-effect of plane exhaust and ice contrail formation, that blocks sunlight, and therefore can be considered "solar radiation management" which is geoengineering.

These trails also increase rainfall (through cloud-seeding) and contribute to respiratory problems.
 Quoting: R3zn8D


No, "chemtrails" aren't "chemtrails" at all..they are contrails. They have a name...use it!



If you are going to claim it's "geoengineering", then you must include "unintentional" or "accidental" in front of that word.

Geoengieering suggests that the process/desired outcome has been ENGINEERED...hence, intentional.

And these trails have NOTHING to do with rainfall and are seldom actually seen in the vicinity of rain clouds! I have never seen any evidence that rain has anything to do with the trails...BUT, you will see the trails quite often before a system which produces rain moves into an area...because the atmospheric conditions change as a front moves in.

Are you actually suggesting that because we sometimes see rain after a day of heavy contrails, that the contrails CAUSED the rain?!

NOPE!

And bitching about contrails contributing to respiratory problems is hilarious...considering what we are exposed to down at ground level...all of us...every day...all day.
 Quoting: Noble


Chemtrails, contrails, whatever, you have word fear. I suggest you read The Anatomy of Slavespeak
[link to www.buildfreedom.com]

"then you must include "unintentional" or "accidental" in front of that word."

I don't "must" do anything...

geoengineering is man made climate change
aerosols from jets and rocket plumes affect the weather, and airliners in particular are the leading contributor to solar dimming. Respiratory problems, IE fuel dumping, et al

fuck planes
 Quoting: R3zn8D


The trails are still "contrails"...because they are trails of condensation...
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whatever

exactly, so you read what I wrote, never said anything about intention.

read the fackin article, chemtrails are not depopulation, or whatever, they are a naturally occurring side-effect of plane exhaust and ice contrail formation, that blocks sunlight, and therefore can be considered "solar radiation management" which is geoengineering.

These trails also increase rainfall (through cloud-seeding) and contribute to respiratory problems.
 Quoting: R3zn8D


No, "chemtrails" aren't "chemtrails" at all..they are contrails. They have a name...use it!



If you are going to claim it's "geoengineering", then you must include "unintentional" or "accidental" in front of that word.

Geoengieering suggests that the process/desired outcome has been ENGINEERED...hence, intentional.

And these trails have NOTHING to do with rainfall and are seldom actually seen in the vicinity of rain clouds! I have never seen any evidence that rain has anything to do with the trails...BUT, you will see the trails quite often before a system which produces rain moves into an area...because the atmospheric conditions change as a front moves in.

Are you actually suggesting that because we sometimes see rain after a day of heavy contrails, that the contrails CAUSED the rain?!

NOPE!

And bitching about contrails contributing to respiratory problems is hilarious...considering what we are exposed to down at ground level...all of us...every day...all day.
 Quoting: Noble


Chemtrails, contrails, whatever, you have word fear. I suggest you read The Anatomy of Slavespeak
[link to www.buildfreedom.com]

"then you must include "unintentional" or "accidental" in front of that word."

I don't "must" do anything...

geoengineering is man made climate change
aerosols from jets and rocket plumes affect the weather, and airliners in particular are the leading contributor to solar dimming. Respiratory problems, IE fuel dumping, et al

fuck planes
 Quoting: R3zn8D


The trails are still "contrails"...because they are trails of condensation...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


Yet they also contain chemicals.. so?
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whatever

exactly, so you read what I wrote, never said anything about intention.

read the fackin article, chemtrails are not depopulation, or whatever, they are a naturally occurring side-effect of plane exhaust and ice contrail formation, that blocks sunlight, and therefore can be considered "solar radiation management" which is geoengineering.

These trails also increase rainfall (through cloud-seeding) and contribute to respiratory problems.
 Quoting: R3zn8D


No, "chemtrails" aren't "chemtrails" at all..they are contrails. They have a name...use it!

If you are going to claim it's "geoengineering", then you must include "unintentional" or "accidental" in front of that word.

Geoengieering suggests that the process/desired outcome has been ENGINEERED...hence, intentional.

And these trails have NOTHING to do with rainfall and are seldom actually seen in the vicinity of rain clouds! I have never seen any evidence that rain has anything to do with the trails...BUT, you will see the trails quite often before a system which produces rain moves into an area...because the atmospheric conditions change as a front moves in.

Are you actually suggesting that because we sometimes see rain after a day of heavy contrails, that the contrails CAUSED the rain?!

NOPE!

And bitching about contrails contributing to respiratory problems is hilarious...considering what we are exposed to down at ground level...all of us...every day...all day.
 Quoting: Noble


Why yes they are "contrails".

POLLUTION FILLED, CLIMATE CHANGING trails.

Sooner or later they will have to deal with the airplane pollution that is destroying the air that we breathe, perhaps that is the reason for the TSA, lol.
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No one has ever said that persistent contrails don't affect albedo, and therefore radiative forcing...

What people that understand what a contrail is say, is that they are a 'natural' byproduct of high altitude flight, and are not some insidious plot, or attempt to 'change' the world...

Thanks for proving the 'debunkers' right again, OPie!!!

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Why yes they are "contrails".

POLLUTION FILLED, CLIMATE CHANGING trails.


 Quoting: Madame X


The worldwide emissions from all air travel, is less than the 'pollution' from all the cars in California...

You might want to get on that bandwagon...

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Why yes they are "contrails".

POLLUTION FILLED, CLIMATE CHANGING trails.


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The worldwide emissions from all air travel, is less than the 'pollution' from all the cars in California...

You might want to get on that bandwagon...

popcorn
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


The cars in LA only cause smog there, aviation pollution really does change weather patterns over every flight route.

But these contrails won't go away unless air traffic goes WAY down (ie. 99% of the population won't be able of affording it anymore). And that's not something most people are willing to give up for clearer skies.
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The cars in LA only cause smog there, aviation pollution really does change weather patterns over every flight route.

But these contrails won't go away unless air traffic goes WAY down (ie. 99% of the population won't be able of affording it anymore). And that's not something most people are willing to give up for clearer skies.
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Contrails do not change weather patterns rolleyes

Color me shocked that you don't give a shit about actual chemical pollution that harms people at ground level...

As for air traffic, it aint going anywhere...In fact, we are now back over 2008 levels of traffic as the 'economy' is 'better' in spite of what the Government tells you...

Do what I do...

I refuse to fly, and I try not to buy goods shipped by air...

It's the best I can do...

I can't cure contrail clutter, but I am not adding to it...
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Why yes they are "contrails".

POLLUTION FILLED, CLIMATE CHANGING trails.


 Quoting: Madame X


The worldwide emissions from all air travel, is less than the 'pollution' from all the cars in California...

You might want to get on that bandwagon...

popcorn
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


There are probably more cars in Cali than there are people in
Canada, lol.

I would get on that bandwagon, but then I would have to give up my 20 year old Saab and I'm not about to do that to save the planet.

tomato
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Why yes they are "contrails".

POLLUTION FILLED, CLIMATE CHANGING trails.


 Quoting: Madame X


The worldwide emissions from all air travel, is less than the 'pollution' from all the cars in California...

You might want to get on that bandwagon...

popcorn
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


There are probably more cars in Cali than there are people in
Canada, lol.

I would get on that bandwagon, but then I would have to give up my 20 year old Saab and I'm not about to do that to save the planet.

tomato
 Quoting: Madame X


Damn!

I like your honesty!

I can't brig myself to get rid of my old truck, either...It's made me way more money than the $2,500 I have in it...

Green for you!
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Why yes they are "contrails".

POLLUTION FILLED, CLIMATE CHANGING trails.


 Quoting: Madame X


The worldwide emissions from all air travel, is less than the 'pollution' from all the cars in California...

You might want to get on that bandwagon...

popcorn
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


There are probably more cars in Cali than there are people in
Canada, lol.

I would get on that bandwagon, but then I would have to give up my 20 year old Saab and I'm not about to do that to save the planet.

tomato
 Quoting: Madame X


Damn!

I like your honesty!

I can't brig myself to get rid of my old truck, either...It's made me way more money than the $2,500 I have in it...

Green for you!
lol
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


Thanks Snake, that's the reason I love my Saab.
I bought a dining room hutch, the guy I bought it from asked if I had a truck to pick it up, I said nope, just throw it in the back of the car. He was flabbergasted when it fit.

It's a tank, I was rear ended yesterday, no damage to my baby but because it was -40c the other guy's new car plastic bumper shattered like the glass in an Ella Memorex commercial.

Besides it's quirky and fun to drive.

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No one has ever said that persistent contrails don't affect albedo, and therefore radiative forcing...

What people that understand what a contrail is say, is that they are a 'natural' byproduct of high altitude flight, and are not some insidious plot, or attempt to 'change' the world...

Thanks for proving the 'debunkers' right again, OPie!!!

dance
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People are so black and white... "So you believe in chemtrails? Or don't ya?"

The truth of the matter is somewhat grey...

Source: [link to www.chem.uic.edu]

Each time a space shuttle is launched, the solid rocket boosters release 240 tons of HCl gas, 26 tons of chlorine gas, 7 tons of nitrogen dioxide gas, and 304 tons of aluminum oxide into the atmosphere. The resulting hydrochloric acid dissolves eight inches of concrete on the launch pad, raises the concentration of hydrochloric acid in nearby lakes to 3 M, produces massive fish kills in the ocean, and destroys the paint on cars. Leading chemists believe that the HCl is a major contributor to the holes in the ozone layer.

Every launch the shuttle uses 1.1 million pounds of solid fuel propellant costing 1.72 million dollars. This solid propellant is 70% ammonium perchlorate (oxidizer), 16% aluminum powder, 12% polybutadiene acrylic acid acrylo nitrite as a complex polymeric binder, 2% epoxy curing agent and 0.17% iron oxide powder as a catalyst.

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304 tons of aluminum and 240 tons of hydrochloric acid ejected per launch! The largest chemtrails in history! All that acid burns a hole in the ozone layer and messes up the weather, just like contrails.

Similarly, contrails contribute to acid rain and solar dimming. Ice and chemicals block the sun's rays, and their precipitation is acidic in nature.... oh wait... what was the boogey man of the eighties...

ACID RAIN

Sometimes the best way to control a conversation is to change the conversation.

If fucktards are busy arguing about depopulation and monsanto spray programs they will forget that the sum total of all fossil burning fuels has dimmed our skies, is screwing with our weather, and is probably the greatest contributing factor to the rise of cancer as of late.

It took the Earth's natural processes millions of year to put all the dead plants and dinosaurs into the ground, the "blood of the Earth" will run out one day. Vast craters left in the ground will collapse, entire cities will fall into bottomless fathoms. Only then will these one percenters see the error of their ways... but I am on a tangent.

No two ways about it, contrails are exhaust plumes mixed with naturally forming ice. The exhaust if full of sulfur, carbon black, and other chemicals, therefore the chemtrail moniker rings true. At least for myself, this is a sufficient enough explanation that I can rest this issue knowing the moral of the story is:

Chemtrails are plane trails that jack up the weather, give me Rickets, make my plants suck, and make my throat itch.

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What people that understand what a contrail is say, is that they are a 'natural' byproduct of high altitude flight

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Shill.......contrails exist eh?

pick
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What people that understand what a contrail is say, is that they are a 'natural' byproduct of high altitude flight

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Shill.......contrails exist eh?

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Sure they do...I should just believe what you chemtards say...despite a complete lack of physical evidence...
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What people that understand what a contrail is say, is that they are a 'natural' byproduct of high altitude flight

dance
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Shill.......contrails exist eh?

pick
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Sure they do...I should just believe what you chemtards say...despite a complete lack of physical evidence...
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wtf does that mean?

contrail exist... sure they do... despite lack of evidence..?

Are you guys high?

The argument online is "Are they chemtrails or contrails?" This completely ignores the more important question, "what do these trails do?"

/facepalm
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What people that understand what a contrail is say, is that they are a 'natural' byproduct of high altitude flight

dance
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Shill.......contrails exist eh?

pick
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Sure they do...I should just believe what you chemtards say...despite a complete lack of physical evidence...
 Quoting: Noble


wtf does that mean?

contrail exist... sure they do... despite lack of evidence..?

Are you guys high?

The argument online is "Are they chemtrails or contrails?" This completely ignores the more important question, "what do these trails do?"

/facepalm
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It "means" that there is NO EVIDENCE that there are ANY trails in the sky which are part of any nefarious intentional program to spray anything on us.

They are ALL contrails.

The trails are manmade clouds...they do what clouds do...
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No, I can't. Because that would be a lie.

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Shill.......contrails exist eh?

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Sure they do...I should just believe what you chemtards say...despite a complete lack of physical evidence...
 Quoting: Noble


wtf does that mean?

contrail exist... sure they do... despite lack of evidence..?

Are you guys high?

The argument online is "Are they chemtrails or contrails?" This completely ignores the more important question, "what do these trails do?"

/facepalm
 Quoting: R3zn8D



It "means" that there is NO EVIDENCE that there are ANY trails in the sky which are part of any nefarious intentional program to spray anything on us.

They are ALL contrails.

The trails are manmade clouds...they do what clouds do...
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which are exhaust trails that are made of chemicals that cause acid rain and global dimming you stupid fuck.

Y u no understand?
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whatever

exactly, so you read what I wrote, never said anything about intention.

read the fackin article, chemtrails are not depopulation, or whatever, they are a naturally occurring side-effect of plane exhaust and ice contrail formation, that blocks sunlight, and therefore can be considered "solar radiation management" which is geoengineering.

These trails also increase rainfall (through cloud-seeding) and contribute to respiratory problems.
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No, "chemtrails" aren't "chemtrails" at all..they are contrails. They have a name...use it!



If you are going to claim it's "geoengineering", then you must include "unintentional" or "accidental" in front of that word.

Geoengieering suggests that the process/desired outcome has been ENGINEERED...hence, intentional.

And these trails have NOTHING to do with rainfall and are seldom actually seen in the vicinity of rain clouds! I have never seen any evidence that rain has anything to do with the trails...BUT, you will see the trails quite often before a system which produces rain moves into an area...because the atmospheric conditions change as a front moves in.

Are you actually suggesting that because we sometimes see rain after a day of heavy contrails, that the contrails CAUSED the rain?!

NOPE!

And bitching about contrails contributing to respiratory problems is hilarious...considering what we are exposed to down at ground level...all of us...every day...all day.
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I thought you got banned for clogging up chemtrail posts.
How'd you get back?
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I like to be outside so when i am outside i see these lines and for the non believers all i ask of you when if you see this happening is look for bits of the blue sky then look for a line like a contrail filling it in and say why each blue part has a line filling in that blue part but observation is the KEY.
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I like to be outside so when i am outside i see these lines and for the non believers all i ask of you when if you see this happening is look for bits of the blue sky then look for a line like a contrail filling it in and say why each blue part has a line filling in that blue part but observation is the KEY.
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This thread is old, outdated and behind the times. I believe chemtrails are real. After a break of 3 days they were back in full force today. Mid Atlantic. Their purpose, I'm still wandering about. They are not natural. The twenty something and younger will think our skies always looked like this mess. Sad. Makes me angry. They're not healthy and the bad is coming from the skies ,not ground level. My left eye (watering) always tells me when they have been spraying before I get outside to confirm it. Damn it.

BTW Snake and Noble suck................
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"not a cloud in the sky" - is a statement of the past?

I remember completely blue skies as a child.


Airplanes didn't cause this then, why do they cause it now?
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No one has ever said that persistent contrails don't affect albedo, and therefore radiative forcing...

What people that understand what a contrail is say, is that they are a 'natural' byproduct of high altitude flight, and are not some insidious plot, or attempt to 'change' the world...

Thanks for proving the 'debunkers' right again, OPie!!!

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bsmeter2

propoganda
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No one has ever said that persistent contrails don't affect albedo, and therefore radiative forcing...

What people that understand what a contrail is say, is that they are a 'natural' byproduct of high altitude flight, and are not some insidious plot, or attempt to 'change' the world...

Thanks for proving the 'debunkers' right again, OPie!!!

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+1
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No one has ever said that persistent contrails don't affect albedo, and therefore radiative forcing...

What people that understand what a contrail is say, is that they are a 'natural' byproduct of high altitude flight, and are not some insidious plot, or attempt to 'change' the world...

Thanks for proving the 'debunkers' right again, OPie!!!

dance
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propoganda
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+1
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+1