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If you believe that morality is relative, then how can you judge anything?

 
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If you believe that morality is relative, then how can you judge anything?
First of all, nice to be back here. My IP was blocked forever for some reason but glad things are clear for the time being.

Now I ask of some of you, if you believe

I hate saying I'm an atheist because I think its been so badly defined recently that it carries bad links now, as if because of it I believe in humanism or worship science or something. I don't. I hate humanism clearly from what most of us know, realize science is not benevolent and is certainly neutral to humanity as a whole.

But I am not creating this argument against the Christians. They believe in their moral code and path to Revelations (and sometimes who can blame them?) I let them and anyone one else who claims their religion or cult or whatever to do what they do to get by in this crazy life.

I'm actually asking the rest of you who may be agnostic, atheist, nihilist (which is what I technically am but I personally prefer the phrase 'It is what it is'), if you don't believe in an objective system under religion or some god, then what system could you possibly base your anger on the very system that controls us? In other words, what is your

If the world really is an "anything goes" scenario and we're all just some animals fighting for the pie, then how can you call this/these conspiracies what you call them?

Its one thing to say you don't like it because it personally affects you. But its another to say its evil as if you yourself are free from evil? Is it only more evil because its vast and powerful and far reaching compared to your own lack of this very power?

The reason this bifurcation is important is because religious people often believe in an objective code, law, ethics. It's one and the same for everyone. The rest of us have been taught or come to realize though our own observations that morality is either relative or fabricated/ non-existent.

It's very easy to chastise the Rockefellers and monarchies and so forth. But why? Because its unfair? Life is unfair? I that good enough? Because so many may die? Let us say that these elite people have come to the conclusion that the world systems will perish if the population continues to grow and we continue to feed the way we do and it actually is unsustainable (but let's say wrapped in a falsehood that they call 'Climate change' which is code for something bigger) and therefore its time to cut population by any means necessary by poisoning us in various ways: modified foods, chemtrails, diseases, war, etc.

I'm sure to them they are advancing humanity to the god status and believe that we masses must work to push the 'utopia' further. How could the pyramids be built without slavery? Now they turned the chains into media and paychecks.
How are these buildings made? The trash collected? The wars fought? The manly desire to create? The need for work to eat? The patriotic feelings one feels for a piece of land?
Sometimes I feel patriotism was a terrible because it was false from the beginning. Just a term to get people riled up only to have them fight for other interests in which those soldiers would never profit from, only those who made the declaration.

I think if you know your history, you would see that humans have always been sheep led by the flock. How else could we permitted the ruling of kings and sultans, the power of the Vaticans, or the convincing rhetoric of a cult leader?

And if you really think about it, could we even be on these computers talking in our air-conditioned homes and driving in our cars while the kids watch disney films in the backseat if it were not for these bastard elite people who made them. Think about all the people on YouTube who hate Bill Gates for his insinuation of population control through vaccines, yet are using his Windows products to say so.

I'm not really condemning or condoning anyone. I think at least philosophically this is a valid question.

Besides, after all in the end, from the Rockefeller prince to the street sweeper, aren't we all just looking out for ourselves (and those we love) in the end?
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Re: If you believe that morality is relative, then how can you judge anything?
Well, OP, you've said it prettily enough, but what you propose is chaos instead of civilization. A generation or two of that and we'll all be back to the Dark Ages when you needed a small army of escorts just to go visit a relative a few miles away. Learn from history, if you can.
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Re: If you believe that morality is relative, then how can you judge anything?
Judging is the biggest problem for all man kind it takes the ego to places it never even thought it would go.
Religion all of them in fact, tells people this.
It tells them that there will be a final judgement of some kind for themselves.
Whether its themselves judging themselves or someone else or the Supreme being etc.
And that all the pathetic squabbling and nonsense of judging they do here is meaningless.
Yet they choose not to listen.
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Re: If you believe that morality is relative, then how can you judge anything?
I am not proposing anything. I'm asking a question about objective morality. I don't think you read what I asked.
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Re: If you believe that morality is relative, then how can you judge anything?
If your actions create more negative vs positive results then the action was evil. It is common sense.

If you think hurting others is positive...then you are insane.
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Re: If you believe that morality is relative, then how can you judge anything?
It really does depend on how you look at things.. what you believe etc. But what if it actually doesn't? I think that even if some people don't see it or realize it.. there is a certain knowing of right and wrong. The right way to do something.. and the wrong way. Or just certain things. It's easy to go the wrong way sometimes. Could it be possible that the 2nd coming Jesus prophecies are true? and people don't want to admit it or see it? Sometimes it seems so to me..

When animals like a school of fish reproduce.. how often does one fish go apeshit and shoot up a school? nature is perfection almost.. but humans are like a disease. humans weren't meant to be this way.. obviously things went wrong somewhere. this world is a total mess now.. that is for sure. there might be things we don't know.. about morality, time.. karma etc (those kinda tie together in my mind)

as far as cutting population and slavery.. I am thinking there is some way to nudge massive amounts of people in a better more positive direction than a bad one.. even if it is a somewhat slower progression towards that place. Especially with technology, etc. Sometimes there aren't better ways. I suppose you could have a perfectly built lego land, destroy some of it to make it better.. or you could maybe just make it better. idk.

I do know one thing.. the elite would never have what they have without the people. most all of them probably.. but not all of them. I see things differently because of where I come from.
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plain and simple.. god came down in the form of christ and showed you all the difference between right and wrong.. the christ is a perfect example of the right way to be.. even if you dont know what he is truly like, making the most out of his message should get you started in the right direction towards your highest self..
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Re: If you believe that morality is relative, then how can you judge anything?
but yea.. nature does have predators. the whole circle of life thing. I think heaven is a place, that does exist. Not to sound stupid or religousy.
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Re: If you believe that morality is relative, then how can you judge anything?
The Little Man knows all.
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Re: If you believe that morality is relative, then how can you judge anything?
I mean.. innocently born babies should and would naturally grow knowing right from wrong.. for the most part. without society like it is now.





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