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Before you post on the CORONAL MASS EJECTION/Solar threads please read this
Know what you are talking about!

I'm tired of seeing the same things, sometimes 5-10 times per PAGE. If you want to make a definite statement to the validity of something at least learn what that something actually IS.


1:) "The sun has cycles all the time, therefore this one is normal"


The sun isn't really predictable, yeah it operates on a cycle but the fact it cycles doesn't mean its cycles will never be Geo-effective to the point of harming earth.

It has cycles of activity but is randomly firing these things off from sunspots in all directions and we are orbiting it. It's a crap shoot and you can't say it will or won't ever happen because the sun has had cycles before.

2:) "NASA said it won't happen so it won't happen"

NASA specifically addressed a "The Knowing" type flare which would require more volume than the sun has to cross the earth/sun gap with a FLARE. Bathing the earth in fire.

They speak nothing to the dangers of solar storms in general other than "They can happen but theres no data to show its going to happen in 2012"

NOAA/NASA and other agencies have tons of material on the dangers of solar storms/CMEs and the weakness of our grid.

3:) "Its not X class"

Flares and coronal mass ejections are two different things. CMEs are not dependent on having strong flares. C/M class flares can be accompanied by worse CMEs than X class flares. It all depends on the CME itself, a dozen other factors and how it hits us. We don't even know the effect until it hits us.


4:) "We are still here after billions of years so there is no doom, idiot"


Our modern electricity reliant culture has been around for a very short time compared to the sun. How would people have detected EMP bursts on any regular scale in the hundreds of thousands of years before electricity was invented.

The point isn't that the sun is going to bathe the earth in fire it's that our electrical system relies on "grounds" I.E. things to do with the earths magnetic field, and we don't have enough spare parts to repair our grid if it goes down. High G5 Geomagnetic storms could disrupt the grid, EMP from extremely well placed Geo-effective storms could disrupt the grid.

5:) "We are hit by these things all the time"

Really think about it. We are a rock that is protected by a field that is caused by a rotation of iron/nickel in our core. The sun is a ball of fire.

Our field is effective at protecting us, but the sun isn't exactly firing these things off in the same strengths, directions, lengths, frequency.

We are orbiting a ball of fire that randomly spits out huge waves that may have never effected us before, but we haven't suffered a severe Geo-Effective hit in any of our modern electricity reliant lifetimes.

There is some point in which the sun will fire off one of these storms randomly and hit us which orbits it, it is nothing short of ignorant to say it will "never ever happen" and it's downright stupid to ignore or take lightly times when it does fire directly at us.

Sure we may get just get some kicking auroras but there are way more variables at play than "They happen all the time" and "Magnitude of flare" and until it hits us nobody knows exactly what those will be. Anyone arguing that point would do right by themselves to stop posting and read some information from NOAA/NASA who both speak of these same dangers.

Some good websites to check for information if you want to know more?

[link to mysolaralerts.blogspot.com]

[link to www2.nict.go.jp]

www.spaceweather.com

Articles on the dangers:

[link to www.npr.org]

[link to news.nationalgeographic.com]
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Re: Before you post on the CORONAL MASS EJECTION/Solar threads please read this
On your point 4 we've only been here for a relatively short time, for all we know the Earth has had space faring intelligence and the entire evidence of it pulled into the mantle.
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On your point 4 we've only been here for a relatively short time, for all we know the Earth has had space faring intelligence and the entire evidence of it pulled into the mantle.
 Quoting: SSERAL


.....well if you want to go that route I was talking about the threat to earth as a whole, as in "we still exist so the sun isn't dangerous" point.

But sure, that just shows we don't know much about the long term cycle of the earth.
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Re: Before you post on the CORONAL MASS EJECTION/Solar threads please read this
Jeepers OP. Get off your 'soap box'. Okay so maybe we aren't going to start on fire but you should be aware that there are reasons to be 'aware' of these solar occurences.

The solar flares affect our magnetosphere which in turn affects people's psyche. Why don't you do some research like this...

[link to www.buryl.com]
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On your point 4 we've only been here for a relatively short time, for all we know the Earth has had space faring intelligence and the entire evidence of it pulled into the mantle.
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.....well if you want to go that route I was talking about the threat to earth as a whole, as in "we still exist so the sun isn't dangerous" point.

But sure, that just shows we don't know much about the long term cycle of the earth.
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That which could destroy a civilization might not hurt the planet at all. Also the flare isn't what really interacts with our magnetosphere it is the following mass of plasma which could be ejected by other things outside of an X-ray flare burst.
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Re: Before you post on the CORONAL MASS EJECTION/Solar threads please read this
No one can scientifically rule out a Carrington Like Event from this iCME.

The volume IS there from the extreme duration time.

Most intelligent people aren't worried about fire striking the Earth. We are worried about the potential for severe levels of energy inducted across the upper atmosphere.

All it takes is the magnetosphere's tail to be stretched. When it returns, trillions of watts are induced and spin around the ionosphere. Causing current to be inducted at ground level, damaging electronics.

The Magnetosperes tail could be stretched pretty far this time. As the duration, or bulk, of the CME is wide.

Plus, the chances of it being a negative dominant charged CME is high. Those are the wicked ones.


BUT, as I was saying, no one knows for sure.
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Re: Before you post on the CORONAL MASS EJECTION/Solar threads please read this
No one can scientifically rule out a Carrington Like Event from this iCME.

The volume IS there from the extreme duration time.

Most intelligent people aren't worried about fire striking the Earth. We are worried about the potential for severe levels of energy inducted across the upper atmosphere.

All it takes is the magnetosphere's tail to be stretched. When it returns, trillions of watts are induced and spin around the ionosphere. Causing current to be inducted at ground level, damaging electronics.

The Magnetosperes tail could be stretched pretty far this time. As the duration, or bulk, of the CME is wide.

Plus, the chances of it being a negative dominant charged CME is high. Those are the wicked ones.


BUT, as I was saying, no one knows for sure.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1405546


Cool story bro

Just a tip

Stop listening to crackhead and crackpots with fake PhDs

Currents are induced not inducted
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Re: Before you post on the CORONAL MASS EJECTION/Solar threads please read this
No one can scientifically rule out a Carrington Like Event from this iCME.

The volume IS there from the extreme duration time.

Most intelligent people aren't worried about fire striking the Earth. We are worried about the potential for severe levels of energy inducted across the upper atmosphere.

All it takes is the magnetosphere's tail to be stretched. When it returns, trillions of watts are induced and spin around the ionosphere. Causing current to be inducted at ground level, damaging electronics.

The Magnetosperes tail could be stretched pretty far this time. As the duration, or bulk, of the CME is wide.

Plus, the chances of it being a negative dominant charged CME is high. Those are the wicked ones.


BUT, as I was saying, no one knows for sure.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1405546


Cool story bro

Just a tip

Stop listening to crackhead and crackpots with fake PhDs

Currents are induced not inducted
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9067552


What is the difference between induced and induction?

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