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"Chemtrails" in 1979

 
SnakeAirlines

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I thought they weren't around before 1997?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: The Guy


That's out at Twin Bridges training area Ft. Know, KY, Thats a Shoulder fired "Stinger Missile contrail"
 Quoting: ***DRAGOON***


Except for the pesky fact that the pic is from 2 years before the Stinger was invented...
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I dont ggive s shit how far you can sho a pic of something,They are filling our sky's with something almost every day. I use to look at the sky lot's as a Child in the 70's and 80's and nothing like this was up there unless it was a missile test and those arked up and over,the plane chemtrails criss cross all over and then it gets hazey !
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I dont ggive s shit how far you can sho a pic of something,They are filling our sky's with something almost every day. I use to look at the sky lot's as a Child in the 70's and 80's and nothing like this was up there unless it was a missile test and those arked up and over,the plane chemtrails criss cross all over and then it gets hazey !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9291538


Yet, in the Boston area, I have seen these trails since the early 70's...

Of course, there are more of them now...but they have been there through my entire life.
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Persisent contrails in 1955

[link to www.rb-29.net]

Then Appleman's chart was in 1953

Appleman, H. S. (1953), The formation of exhaust condensation trails by jet aircraft, Bull. Amer. Met. Soc., 34, 14–20.

And then there are contrails from 1943

[link to books.google.com]

Finally observations around 1920

WEGENER, ALFRED, 1921: FROST SUPERSATURATION (FROSTÜBERSÄTTIGUNG) AND CIRRUS. Mon. Wea. Rev., 49, 349–349.

[link to www.highbeam.com]

and the Argonne Battle Cloud


Capt. Walter H. Nead in the .American Legion Weekly of Oct. 22, 1920, relates the formation or long cirrus clouds in the wake or three airplanes in the vicinity of Montfaucon, France, on Oct. 19, 1918. At first the trails were thought to be smoke, but they proved to be too wide for smoke. Their ice-crystal structure became evident when halo phenomena were observed as result of their presence. Cf. “The Argonne Battle Cloud.”


VARNEY, B. M., 1921: THE ARGONNE BATTLE CLOUD. Mon. Wea.
Rev., 49, 348–349.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2674622


No one denies that some persistent contrails have existed since 1918 . . .coffee4
 Quoting: George B


That isn't true at all and you know it. Many people have posted on GLP that persistent contrails did not exist before 1997. It is upt to you to prove that the contrails are something else and you are incapable of doing so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2674622


C - #13b
Chemtrails - Cir

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Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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Another thing, They are not to fight global warming because everytime its a clear night in the winter its much colder yey cloudes come in and keep the heat in and warm the temp. So if anything they are creating the warming to get green taxes !
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Jorgie and his nonsensical SPAM to the 'rescue'...

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Jorgie and his nonsensical SPAM to the 'rescue'...

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 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


St Peter
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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Now the fuckwit thinks he's a Saint...

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Now the fuckwit thinks he's a Saint...

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1rof1pope
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The contrail hasn't spread out over the entire sky like current chemtrails do. All you see is some cirrus clouds and a nice clean contrail that isn't blocking out the sun. There is also no way to know how long that has been there. The plane may have just went over one minute prior. There is no way to know. In any respect it is an airbase and who knows what kind of experimental shit they were doing back in the day.

All I know is when I was growing up in Bakersfield California you never saw persistant contrails in the summer and the sky was perfectly Blue for months on end. Up to 8 months out of the year were cloud free. There is no debating that. Today though we have "cirrus clouds" all summer which didn't exist 15 years ago. Cirrus clouds laid down by planes. And according to you these planes have always laid down persistant contrails.

But I just explained to you facts you cannot debate.
So explain that. You can't. Therefore chemtrails are real.

In fact Southern California is known for its cloud free days. But for the past 15 years or so there is always cirrus clouds. No cloud free days EVER anymore. Yeah that's normal OP. I believe you. PRICK.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5616706


Hey George, read this. This guy says they DIDN'T esit 15 years ago. So your statement has been proven wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2674622

[link to ozone-uv.defra.gov.uk]



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NOTE: George Is An Idiot, As There Is No Such Thing As A "New Persistent Contrail"
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Now the fuckwit thinks he's a Saint...

lmao
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


George B, the patron saint of the chemtards...

Has a nice ring to it...
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The contrail hasn't spread out over the entire sky like current chemtrails do. All you see is some cirrus clouds and a nice clean contrail that isn't blocking out the sun. There is also no way to know how long that has been there. The plane may have just went over one minute prior. There is no way to know. In any respect it is an airbase and who knows what kind of experimental shit they were doing back in the day.

All I know is when I was growing up in Bakersfield California you never saw persistant contrails in the summer and the sky was perfectly Blue for months on end. Up to 8 months out of the year were cloud free. There is no debating that. Today though we have "cirrus clouds" all summer which didn't exist 15 years ago. Cirrus clouds laid down by planes. And according to you these planes have always laid down persistant contrails.

But I just explained to you facts you cannot debate.
So explain that. You can't. Therefore chemtrails are real.

In fact Southern California is known for its cloud free days. But for the past 15 years or so there is always cirrus clouds. No cloud free days EVER anymore. Yeah that's normal OP. I believe you. PRICK.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5616706


You do know that water vapor is invisible, right? And that is only becomes visible when it condenses? Particulates in jet exhaust give water vapor something to condense around. If relative humidity up there is high enough, voila! Instant man made cirrus clouds!
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I thought they weren't around before 1997?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: The Guy


[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"A left front view of the XM-1 Abrams tank, which will replace the M-60 series, during a demonstration on the test range. (Released to Public) Location: FORT KNOX, KENTUCKY (KY) UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (USA)

Date
30 June 2005"



What are you talking about GUY????coffee4
 Quoting: George B


The first M1 tank went into service in 1980

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2674622


So the pic and/or date was faked to get up to think chemtrails have been around forever?
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Hey OP - I have some genuine historical chemtrail photos for you. I even sent them to Cliff Carnicom and he thanked me for them.

Lemme see if I can get them loaded to photobucket for you...
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I thought they weren't around before 1997?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Hey OP I have your answer but if you have about 3 hours to kill you can find it yourself along with alot of other little tidbits of interesting info in these 6 sound clips from 1989.

[link to www.youtube.com]

If you don't want to listen to this old man for 3 hours I can understand but I would highly recommend doing so in order to believe what you might read hereafter.

(synopsis)
This is a man recalling a verbal presentation he heard in 1969. The presentation was given to doctors only. The presenter was Dr. Richard Day (The planned parenthood director 1965-1968). The doctors were told to turn off all recording devices and they were asked to please not take notes. The presenter said his intention of the presentation was to let them know of planned changes in medicine and society so that they would be better abled to adapt easily.
(/synopsis)

Although the speaker talked much about the field of medicine he mentioned some other perhaps unrelated yet invaluable information.

Here is the key quote that I've been trying to give some context to (remember it is Dr. Richard Day who said what is being recalled here)

--------------------------------------------

"There was a mention then of weather. This was another really striking statement. He said, "We can or soon will be able to control the weather." He said, "I'm not merely referring to dropping iodide crystals into the clouds to precipitate rain that's already there, but REAL control." And weather was seen as a weapon of war, a weapon of influencing public policy. It could make rain or withhold rain in order to influence certain areas and bring them under your control. There were two sides to this that were rather striking. He said, "On the one hand you can make drought during the growing season so that nothing will grow, and on the other hand you can make for very heavy rains during harvest season so the fields are too muddy to bring in the harvest, and indeed one might be able to do both." There was no statement how this would be done. It was stated that either it was already possible or very very close to being possible.

Politics. He said that very few people really know how government works. Something to the effect that elected officials are influenced in ways that they don't even realize and they carry out plans that have been made for them and they think that they are authors of the plans. But actually they are manipulated in ways they don't understand.


Somewhere in the presentation he made two statements that I want to insert at this time. I don't remember just where they were made, but they're valid in terms of the general overall view. One statement: "People can carry in their minds and act upon two contradictory ideas at one time, provided that these two contradictory ideas are kept far enough apart." And the other statement is, "You can know pretty well how rational people are going to respond to certain circumstances or to certain information that they encounter. So, to determine the response you want you need only control the kind of data or information that they're presented or the kinds of circumstance that they're in; and being rational people they'll do what you want them to do. They may not fully understand what they're doing or why."

---------------------------------------------

PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THIS MAN IS RECALLING A PRESENTATION HE HEARD IN 1969.

AND HE'S RECALLING IT IN 1988.

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I thought they weren't around before 1997?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"A left front view of the XM-1 Abrams tank, which will replace the M-60 series, during a demonstration on the test range. (Released to Public) Location: FORT KNOX, KENTUCKY (KY) UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (USA)

Date
30 June 2005"



What are you talking about GUY????coffee4
 Quoting: George B


The first M1 tank went into service in 1980

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2674622


So the pic and/or date was faked to get up to think chemtrails have been around forever?
 Quoting: Half Past Midnight


Did you actually read the caption and info under the pic?

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I'll help, cuz that's the kinda guy I am...

From the link in the OP:

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DoD photo by: EDDIE MCCROSSAN Date Shot: 1 Dec 1979 National Archive# NN33300514


The 2005 date is when it was added to Wiki...

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Hey OP - I have some genuine historical chemtrail photos for you. I even sent them to Cliff Carnicom and he thanked me for them.

Lemme see if I can get them loaded to photobucket for you...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 764206


Ok, here they are...

This first one was taken in Feb 1982 at Hesperus Ski area in southern Colorado.

These pictures are on normal Kodak paper, which I scanned on my flatbed scanner.

[link to i294.photobucket.com]

This one is in the same place on the same day:


[link to i294.photobucket.com]

And these two photos were taken in northern New Mexico in spring of 1981:

Navajo Lake:

[link to i294.photobucket.com]

Northern NM:

[link to i294.photobucket.com]
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NOTE: George Is An Idiot, As There Is No Such Thing As A "New Persistent Contrail"
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That is because you are incapable of reading and comprehending . . . flick
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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I'll help, cuz that's the kinda guy I am...

From the link in the OP:

Author
DoD photo by: EDDIE MCCROSSAN Date Shot: 1 Dec 1979 National Archive# NN33300514


The 2005 date is when it was added to Wiki...

pick
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


Where have you been?. . . I acknowledged that on the 23rd. . . another do Just look at the first page of posts . . .

"({{Information |Description= |Source=[ [link to www.dodmedia.osd.mil] taken from [ [link to en.wikipedia.org]
07237.jpg en.wikipedia] |Date=30 June 2005 |Author=DoD photo by: EDDIE MCCROSSAN Date Shot)"



"Author
DoD photo by: EDDIE MCCROSSAN Date Shot: 1 Dec 1979 National Archive# NN33300514 30 Jun 2005, uploader was Signaleer at en.wikipedia.org"
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You two are busy arguing about the dates on some questionable photo while you completely ignore the authentic historical photos I just posted.
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The contrail hasn't spread out over the entire sky like current chemtrails do. All you see is some cirrus clouds and a nice clean contrail that isn't blocking out the sun. There is also no way to know how long that has been there. The plane may have just went over one minute prior. There is no way to know. In any respect it is an airbase and who knows what kind of experimental shit they were doing back in the day.

All I know is when I was growing up in Bakersfield California you never saw persistant contrails in the summer and the sky was perfectly Blue for months on end. Up to 8 months out of the year were cloud free. There is no debating that. Today though we have "cirrus clouds" all summer which didn't exist 15 years ago. Cirrus clouds laid down by planes. And according to you these planes have always laid down persistant contrails.

But I just explained to you facts you cannot debate.
So explain that. You can't. Therefore chemtrails are real.

In fact Southern California is known for its cloud free days. But for the past 15 years or so there is always cirrus clouds. No cloud free days EVER anymore. Yeah that's normal OP. I believe you. PRICK.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5616706


You do know that water vapor is invisible, right? And that is only becomes visible when it condenses? Particulates in jet exhaust give water vapor something to condense around. If relative humidity up there is high enough, voila! Instant man made cirrus clouds!
 Quoting: The Guy


Yes. So explain why they were not over Southern California 15 years ago. Where it doesn't rain for 8 months out of the year because clouds don't fucking form for rain to fall from. you know...that place. The place that used to have cloudless days 8 months out of the year but now every single day has chemtrail caused "cirrus clouds". That place. You know. The place that totally fucks up your entire argument. Explain. You can't.

Don't argue on how they form. Argue on how they are forming over Southern California. Show me a movie from the 70's filmed in the summer that has persistent contrails and I will gladly recant everything I said as well as issue a full blown apology on the front page of GLP.
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Hey OP - I have some genuine historical chemtrail photos for you. I even sent them to Cliff Carnicom and he thanked me for them.

Lemme see if I can get them loaded to photobucket for you...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 764206


Ok, here they are...

This first one was taken in Feb 1982 at Hesperus Ski area in southern Colorado.

These pictures are on normal Kodak paper, which I scanned on my flatbed scanner.

[link to i294.photobucket.com]

This one is in the same place on the same day:


[link to i294.photobucket.com]

And these two photos were taken in northern New Mexico in spring of 1981:

Navajo Lake:

[link to i294.photobucket.com]

Northern NM:


[link to i294.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 764206




None of those have spread over the entire sky. They are all very much identifiable as contrails.
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Hey OP - I have some genuine historical chemtrail photos for you. I even sent them to Cliff Carnicom and he thanked me for them.

Lemme see if I can get them loaded to photobucket for you...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 764206


Ok, here they are...

This first one was taken in Feb 1982 at Hesperus Ski area in southern Colorado.

These pictures are on normal Kodak paper, which I scanned on my flatbed scanner.

[link to i294.photobucket.com]

This one is in the same place on the same day:


[link to i294.photobucket.com]

And these two photos were taken in northern New Mexico in spring of 1981:

Navajo Lake:

[link to i294.photobucket.com]

Northern NM:


[link to i294.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 764206




None of those have spread over the entire sky. They are all very much identifiable as contrails.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5616706


The first two photos definitely have.
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You two are busy arguing about the dates on some questionable photo while you completely ignore the authentic historical photos I just posted.
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I am not surprised that you can find several photos of contrails. . . This does not remove the existence of CHEMTRAILs. . . .verycool
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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Hey OP - I have some genuine historical chemtrail photos for you. I even sent them to Cliff Carnicom and he thanked me for them.

Lemme see if I can get them loaded to photobucket for you...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 764206


Ok, here they are...

This first one was taken in Feb 1982 at Hesperus Ski area in southern Colorado.

These pictures are on normal Kodak paper, which I scanned on my flatbed scanner.

[link to i294.photobucket.com]

This one is in the same place on the same day:


[link to i294.photobucket.com]

And these two photos were taken in northern New Mexico in spring of 1981:

Navajo Lake:

[link to i294.photobucket.com]

Northern NM:

[link to i294.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 764206


Thank you!
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Are you suggesting that photo is of chemtrails? Because it is not anywhere. Ear that. Those are just normal everyday clouds.
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The contrail hasn't spread out over the entire sky like current chemtrails do. All you see is some cirrus clouds and a nice clean contrail that isn't blocking out the sun. There is also no way to know how long that has been there. The plane may have just went over one minute prior. There is no way to know. In any respect it is an airbase and who knows what kind of experimental shit they were doing back in the day.

All I know is when I was growing up in Bakersfield California you never saw persistant contrails in the summer and the sky was perfectly Blue for months on end. Up to 8 months out of the year were cloud free. There is no debating that. Today though we have "cirrus clouds" all summer which didn't exist 15 years ago. Cirrus clouds laid down by planes. And according to you these planes have always laid down persistant contrails.

But I just explained to you facts you cannot debate.
So explain that. You can't. Therefore chemtrails are real.

In fact Southern California is known for its cloud free days. But for the past 15 years or so there is always cirrus clouds. No cloud free days EVER anymore. Yeah that's normal OP. I believe you. PRICK.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5616706


You do know that water vapor is invisible, right? And that is only becomes visible when it condenses? Particulates in jet exhaust give water vapor something to condense around. If relative humidity up there is high enough, voila! Instant man made cirrus clouds!
 Quoting: The Guy


Yes. So explain why they were not over Southern California 15 years ago. Where it doesn't rain for 8 months out of the year because clouds don't fucking form for rain to fall from. you know...that place. The place that used to have cloudless days 8 months out of the year but now every single day has chemtrail caused "cirrus clouds". That place. You know. The place that totally fucks up your entire argument. Explain. You can't.

Don't argue on how they form. Argue on how they are forming over Southern California. Show me a movie from the 70's filmed in the summer that has persistent contrails and I will gladly recant everything I said as well as issue a full blown apology on the front page of GLP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5616706


Well, cirrus clouds don't cause rain. They're too high up. The rain would evaporate before it got to the ground. It's not my fault if you weren't paying attention 15 years ago. As for a movie, AxE-i-DeNt says "Vanishing Point," which was filmed in Nevada in 1971. I haven't seen it myself, but you could try that one.
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