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"Chemtrails" in 1979

 
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Contrailscience is just a handy site which posts information found in every book on the subjects in a clear, easily understood manner.
 Quoting: Noble


Pathetic - no *specific* books then?
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what books should I read?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9879116


Start here:

[link to ocw.mit.edu]

Get back to me in a couple of years...
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


whatever

Like you did any of that shit tard...

bdancebdancebdancebdance
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1578830


That's it?

That's your answer?

I take it you won't be matriculating with MIT online then, eh?

laugh
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


gotbop

How long did it take you to Google matriculating...? Did you think hmmm...... "what is a fancy word for go to a class"... then used a thesaurus.

lolatu
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Ok, here they are...

This first one was taken in Feb 1982 at Hesperus Ski area in southern Colorado.

These pictures are on normal Kodak paper, which I scanned on my flatbed scanner.

[link to i294.photobucket.com]

This one is in the same place on the same day:


[link to i294.photobucket.com]

And these two photos were taken in northern New Mexico in spring of 1981:

Navajo Lake:

[link to i294.photobucket.com]

Northern NM:

[link to i294.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 764206


I posted my pictures because I believe we are being sprayed by chemicals. I thought these are interesting becuase it shows an intentional cross-hatch pattern, as well as a very large "spread" of the trail throughout the sky. Maybe these weather modification programs started much earlier than people have thought.

Another problem with the so-called theory that chemtrails are just "contrails" from ordinary airline traffic is this:

If this were true, then the trails and patterns should be roughly consisent every single day.

But they're NOT.

I've lived in the D.C. area which gets heavily sprayed. But, here in San Diego it's actually relatively rare. Also, the great majority of trails are coming from the east and headed out to sea - and NOT from our airport. Coming from the EAST. Trust me, people - there aren't THAT many flights to Hawaii on any given day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 764206


Is the weather consistent where you live every day? Is sunny every day? Does it rain every day? Since it doesn't then why do you expect the weather at 30,000 feet to be the same every day? That all it is. The weather changes and some days are conducive to contrail to formation and some days they aren't. Just like some days it is sunny and some days it snows.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2674622


So, using your logic, the weather in 2012 is somehow MORE conducive to the conditions that will "produce" or "Show" contrails, so in reality now we are all just "seeing" them more?

Uh, yeah - I don't think so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 764206


Of course you don't "think" so...

That's why you're a chemtard!
Favorite Karma:


12/21/2012 "Can you admit you are a shill?"

No, I can't. Because that would be a lie.

Can you admit that you are a gullible loser?
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1) "Chemtrails" are just normal condensation trails.

2) The so-called chemtrail haze is just virga.

3) Criss-cross patterns, asterisks, As, Vs, Xs in the sky form because planes follow radio beacons and wind drifts them so plane after plane create parallel lines.

4) Contrail persistence is a function of air relative humidity.

5) On/off trails occur because the plane flies through pockets of dryer air.

6) There is the storage problem addressed in the "Problem for the chemtrail believers" thread.

7) Aluminum oxide emission is caused by SRMs.

8) Barium compounds emission is caused by mining and refining industrial processes.
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How long did it take you to Google matriculating...? Did you think hmmm...... "what is a fancy word for go to a class"... then used a thesaurus.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1578830


The only one that had to look up 'matriculate' was you apparently...

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[link to ocw.mit.edu]

Get back to me in a couple of years...
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


putin

Could you be more specific? [I know I am a Chemtard]

Plenty of theory on your link........

I guess there is no book which explains why on some days we can see 10+ planes per hour in front of the Sun leaving contrails and other days we see none. According to contrailscience they are still there - we just cannot see them...must be true [Snake and Noble always confirm contrailscience]

chuckle

Don't tell me - it's all that increased air travel....

I cannot find that shitty vid which Snake used to post to *visualise* UK air travel...come on Snake share your drivel....

Pathetic.......
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I guess there is no book which explains why on some days we can see 10+ planes per hour in front of the Sun leaving contrails and other days we see none. According to contrailscience they are still there - we just cannot see them...must be true [Snake and Noble always confirm contrailscience]

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9882475


You need a "book" to explain the obvious to you?

When there are no contrails at all, it is difficult to spot the planes with a glance...

When contrails are forming, it is easy to quickly follow them right to the plane...

It amuses me that you think this simple fact somehow becomes a diabolical plot in your mind...

Never heard of 'binoculars', huh?

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When there are no contrails at all, it is difficult to spot the planes with a glance...
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


What about when I look really hard?

When contrails are forming, it is easy to quickly follow them right to the plane...

It amuses me that you think this simple fact somehow becomes a diabolical plot in your mind...

Never heard of 'binoculars', huh?

chuckle
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


Yup - I have a pair....

chuckle

I also have a telescope - and still I cannot see these planes unless they are leaving trails......

But you and Noble swear to god these planes are there, even contrailscience tells me they are there [I just cannot see them]. Guess I must have faulty 'binoculars' and that a telescope couldn't possibly see these planes huh?

Pathetic....
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When there are no contrails at all, it is difficult to spot the planes with a glance...
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


What about when I look really hard?

When contrails are forming, it is easy to quickly follow them right to the plane...

It amuses me that you think this simple fact somehow becomes a diabolical plot in your mind...

Never heard of 'binoculars', huh?

chuckle
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


Yup - I have a pair....

chuckle

I also have a telescope - and still I cannot see these planes unless they are leaving trails......

But you and Noble swear to god these planes are there, even contrailscience tells me they are there [I just cannot see them]. Guess I must have faulty 'binoculars' and that a telescope couldn't possibly see these planes huh?

Pathetic....
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youtube video or it dident happen!!
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youtube video or it dident happen!!
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According to Snake and Noble a link to contrailscience will suffice....
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youtube video or it dident happen!!
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According to Snake and Noble a link to contrailscience will suffice....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9882475


Certainly beats the "evidence" that you drooling chemtards provide for your delusion.

And no, George B, your stupid little pictures only prove that you are a mental deficient....
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How long did it take you to Google matriculating...? Did you think hmmm...... "what is a fancy word for go to a class"... then used a thesaurus.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1578830


The only one that had to look up 'matriculate' was you apparently...

chuckle
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


lmao

I was expecting so much more.... pure letdown!
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I also have a telescope - and still I cannot see these planes unless they are leaving trails......

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9882475


What good is a telescope going to do you?

Lots of planes on the Moon are there?

And didn't your country invent Plane Spotting?

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I was expecting so much more.... pure letdown!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1578830


I expected you not to have to look up matriculating...

Imagine my disappointment...

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youtube video or it dident happen!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9569103


According to Snake and Noble a link to contrailscience will suffice....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9882475


Certainly beats the "evidence" that you drooling chemtards provide for your delusion.

And no, George B, your stupid little pictures only prove that you are a mental deficient....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 192998


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lol "contrails" bulshit

water doesnt make CLOUDS

ITS CHEMICALS, SHILL
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It came to me what I perceive whenever you Noble, or you SnakeAirlines are involved in a chemtrail discussion.

You both remind me of the bullies in a classroom, that bully and beat up on the kids who are smarter than them, or have something within them that reflects study, industry, intelligence and open debate.

I am aware of your bullying tactics - I find that those who are seeking answers, questioning this whole debate, will tend to ignore those who attack and verbally abuse others to make their point - for they are hungry for truth - and abuse and bullying reveals only the true nature or personalities of those who use such tactics.

You will probably respond by attacking me - which will in the end... prove my point.

 Quoting: soulJAH


Well put. These 2 are definitely the type of guys who likely have no friends. I mean who would want to be around them?
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I have presented the same evidence that Congress presented regarding Pearl Harbor . . . it is called circumstantial evidence . . .
 Quoting: George B


Actually, it is called ignorance



Chemtrail best evidence they exist

1) Patents. . . List patents [link to patft.uspto.gov] PN/5003186 and PN/6315213

[link to patft.uspto.gov]

"United States Patent 5,003,186
Chang , et al. March 26, 1991
Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming

Abstract
A method is described for reducing atmospheric or global warming resulting from the presence of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere, i.e., from the greenhouse effect. Such gases are relatively transparent to sunshine, but absorb strongly the long-wavelength infrared radiation released by the earth. The method incudes the step of seeding the layer of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere with particles of materials characterized by wavelength-dependent emissivity. Such materials include Welsbach materials and the oxides of metals which have high emissivity (and thus low reflectivities) in the visible and 8-12 micron infrared wavelength regions.


[link to patft.uspto.gov]

"Abstract
Method of modifying weather

A method for artificially modifying the weather by seeding rain clouds of a storm with suitable cross-linked aqueous polymer. The polymer is dispersed into the cloud and the wind of the storm agitates the mixture causing the polymer to absorb the rain. This reaction forms a gelatinous substance which precipitate to the surface below. Thus, diminishing the clouds ability to rain."
 Quoting: George B


There are too many patents for unimplemented and unworkable patents. You cherry pick. So this is can be dismissed.



2) History of exact behavior. . . Agent orange, zinc cadmium sulfide, etc
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
"Operation LAC (Large Area Coverage), was a U.S. Army Chemical Corps operation which dispersed microscopic zinc cadmium sulfide (ZnCdS) particles over much of the United States. The purpose was to determine the dispersion and geographic range of biological or chemical agents." . . . A C-119 Flying Boxcar, the type of plane used to release the chemicals
 Quoting: George B


War zone tactics cannot be compared to operations over CONUS which are illegal. No officer has to obey an illegal order.

3) Scientific Research and recommendations . . .
[link to www.i-sis.org.uk]


[link to climate.envsci.rutgers.edu]
 Quoting: George B


Yeap, people talk. Nowhere in any of that does it say that anything has or will be implemented.


4) Prior misbehavior by US government and TPTB . . . Church Committee, Norwood papers, MK Ultra
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Unethical human experimentation in the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about U.S. medical experiments that are alleged to be unethical, non-consensual, or illegal. For the consensual, ethical, and legal use of human beings in medical research, see Human subject research."
 Quoting: George B


Paranoid delusions are not evidence.

5) Secret weapons systems developed in complete secrecy
 Quoting: George B


But, somehow, a secret weapon developed in complete secrecy, you know about. There is a logical flaw is this kind of argument. It is called speculation.

So, as I have said, you do not present any real evidence. You have opinion, speculation, and paranoia.

You only earned a D- for your effort.
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And you chemtards should read a book once in a while...instead of accepting everything other idiots (your peers) post on the internet as fact..
 Quoting: Noble


And you Chemshills only quote contrailscience and other Chemshills..

That is entertainment - most people figure you guys out....

Just because you read a book once.......pathetic......

Any books you recommend? [Don't tell me - I wouldn't understand - 'Chemtards' don't have the capacity to understand or are to blind/retarded to understand basic science? Or some other drivel you will come out with....]

Come on Noble - what books should I read?
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What good is a telescope going to do you?
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


Dunno - you suggested 'binoculars' - following your *logic* [sic] ;)]....what good do 'binoculars' do me? Does contrailscience only tell me I can see planes if I have some 'binoculars' - obviously a 'telescope' is just ludicrous..

Do you read the drivel you post?!?

Anyways - any books you recommend?

There is a simple system called ISBN - [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] which you can use.

Feel free to quote any reference to you and Nobles' delusional fantasy...
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Ok, here they are...

This first one was taken in Feb 1982 at Hesperus Ski area in southern Colorado.

These pictures are on normal Kodak paper, which I scanned on my flatbed scanner.

[link to i294.photobucket.com]

This one is in the same place on the same day:


[link to i294.photobucket.com]

And these two photos were taken in northern New Mexico in spring of 1981:

Navajo Lake:

[link to i294.photobucket.com]

Northern NM:

[link to i294.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 764206


I posted my pictures because I believe we are being sprayed by chemicals. I thought these are interesting becuase it shows an intentional cross-hatch pattern, as well as a very large "spread" of the trail throughout the sky. Maybe these weather modification programs started much earlier than people have thought.

Another problem with the so-called theory that chemtrails are just "contrails" from ordinary airline traffic is this:

If this were true, then the trails and patterns should be roughly consisent every single day.

But they're NOT.

I've lived in the D.C. area which gets heavily sprayed. But, here in San Diego it's actually relatively rare. Also, the great majority of trails are coming from the east and headed out to sea - and NOT from our airport. Coming from the EAST. Trust me, people - there aren't THAT many flights to Hawaii on any given day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 764206


Is the weather consistent where you live every day? Is sunny every day? Does it rain every day? Since it doesn't then why do you expect the weather at 30,000 feet to be the same every day? That all it is. The weather changes and some days are conducive to contrail to formation and some days they aren't. Just like some days it is sunny and some days it snows.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2674622


So, using your logic, the weather in 2012 is somehow MORE conducive to the conditions that will "produce" or "Show" contrails, so in reality now we are all just "seeing" them more?

Uh, yeah - I don't think so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 764206


That is the problem. You don't think. YES it is weather that causes contrail formation. And, the number of contrails correlates with the number of aircraft flights. It is very simple really. There are many more flights than jsut 10 years ago. Lots more than 20 and 30 years ago. The US has around 10,000 flights per day.
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When there are no contrails at all, it is difficult to spot the planes with a glance...
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


What about when I look really hard?

When contrails are forming, it is easy to quickly follow them right to the plane...

It amuses me that you think this simple fact somehow becomes a diabolical plot in your mind...

Never heard of 'binoculars', huh?

chuckle
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


Yup - I have a pair....

chuckle

I also have a telescope - and still I cannot see these planes unless they are leaving trails......

But you and Noble swear to god these planes are there, even contrailscience tells me they are there [I just cannot see them]. Guess I must have faulty 'binoculars' and that a telescope couldn't possibly see these planes huh?

Pathetic....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9882475


[link to www.flightaware.com]
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dumbest, most redundant post of the year. OP uses the logic of 5 year olds
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9338415


How so? It proved that those who were saying that the sky didn't like that thirty years ago were wrong.
 Quoting: The Guy


listen dude I lived in Albq in the 1980's occasionally saw a trail or 2 eminating from Kirtland Air Base...they were experimenting like back then.....wasn't till 1998 they started showing up everywhere with X and square grids...that never happened growing up in the southwest...now it's common.

Why are you guys so dead set on believing they don't exist..

there are several house bills on weather modification using airplanes to disperse barium and aluminum in the upper atmosphere...documented proof of patents.

If you watch the planes thru telescopes and binoculars you see them turnaround after laying a trail and going back the same way they came leaving another trail.

All you gotta do is watch patiently and you'll see I'm right..

Gov't is chemtrailing the hell out of US and other countries prbly sanctioned by UN
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Get with the program retard - any links there have *anything* to do with aviation? Are you trying to explain the chemistry involved in the dispersion of 'chemtrails' [persistent contrails....]

Yes Chemistry happens - well done you....Snake and Noble will be telling us next planes only fly in the air and you need 'binoculars' to see them.......

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lol "contrails" bulshit

water doesnt make CLOUDS

ITS CHEMICALS, SHILL
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This is my vote for stupiest comment on this thread.
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Get with the program retard - any links there have *anything* to do with aviation? Are you trying to explain the chemistry involved in the dispersion of 'chemtrails' [persistent contrails....]

Yes Chemistry happens - well done you....Snake and Noble will be telling us next planes only fly in the air and you need 'binoculars' to see them.......

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7310920


You are a stupid ass. Period. If you can't put together logical thought and make inferences than absolutely no book will help you.
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dumbest, most redundant post of the year. OP uses the logic of 5 year olds
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9338415


How so? It proved that those who were saying that the sky didn't like that thirty years ago were wrong.
 Quoting: The Guy


listen dude I lived in Albq in the 1980's occasionally saw a trail or 2 eminating from Kirtland Air Base...they were experimenting like back then.....wasn't till 1998 they started showing up everywhere with X and square grids...that never happened growing up in the southwest...now it's common.

Why are you guys so dead set on believing they don't exist..

there are several house bills on weather modification using airplanes to disperse barium and aluminum in the upper atmosphere...documented proof of patents.

If you watch the planes thru telescopes and binoculars you see them turnaround after laying a trail and going back the same way they came leaving another trail.

All you gotta do is watch patiently and you'll see I'm right..

Gov't is chemtrailing the hell out of US and other countries prbly sanctioned by UN
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 798099


Your anectodtal evidence does not correlate with the numerous written accounts of persistent contrails that go back to 1920.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2674622


Thanks, that site doesn't have the 10+ planes in an hour I happen see on some days passing over - I know flightware is not gospel but I would expect to see *some* of the planes I observe on there, but I don't......
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You are a stupid ass. Period. If you can't put together logical thought and make inferences than absolutely no book will help you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2674622


So you are not [absolutely] willing to cite your references.....

Come on Noble - quote a 'book' which you have read which will enlighten us......

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