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"Chemtrails" in 1979

 
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the troll on this thread keeps trolling -- wants to earn mney by shilling. do not encourage him.
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the troll on this thread keeps trolling -- wants to earn mney by shilling. do not encourage him.
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Nah, George is cool. Hey, how do you get paid, anyway? Who signs the checks?
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Well, there ya go! There are even "HAARP clouds" from before HAARP was built, lol!
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I thought they weren't around before 1997?

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Persisent contrails in 1955

[link to www.rb-29.net]

Then Appleman's chart was in 1953

Appleman, H. S. (1953), The formation of exhaust condensation trails by jet aircraft, Bull. Amer. Met. Soc., 34, 14–20.

And then there are contrails from 1943

[link to books.google.com]

Finally observations around 1920

WEGENER, ALFRED, 1921: FROST SUPERSATURATION (FROSTÜBERSÄTTIGUNG) AND CIRRUS. Mon. Wea. Rev., 49, 349–349.

[link to www.highbeam.com]

and the Argonne Battle Cloud

Capt. Walter H. Nead in the .American Legion Weekly of Oct. 22, 1920, relates the formation or long cirrus clouds in the wake or three airplanes in the vicinity of Montfaucon, France, on Oct. 19, 1918. At first the trails were thought to be smoke, but they proved to be too wide for smoke. Their ice-crystal structure became evident when halo phenomena were observed as result of their presence. Cf. “The Argonne Battle Cloud.”


VARNEY, B. M., 1921: THE ARGONNE BATTLE CLOUD. Mon. Wea. Rev., 49, 348–349.
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I thought they weren't around before 1997?

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"A left front view of the XM-1 Abrams tank, which will replace the M-60 series, during a demonstration on the test range. (Released to Public) Location: FORT KNOX, KENTUCKY (KY) UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (USA)

Date
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What are you talking about GUY????coffee4
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The first M1 tank went into service in 1980

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Persisent contrails in 1955

[link to www.rb-29.net]

Then Appleman's chart was in 1953

Appleman, H. S. (1953), The formation of exhaust condensation trails by jet aircraft, Bull. Amer. Met. Soc., 34, 14–20.

And then there are contrails from 1943

[link to books.google.com]

Finally observations around 1920

WEGENER, ALFRED, 1921: FROST SUPERSATURATION (FROSTÜBERSÄTTIGUNG) AND CIRRUS. Mon. Wea. Rev., 49, 349–349.

[link to www.highbeam.com]

and the Argonne Battle Cloud


Capt. Walter H. Nead in the .American Legion Weekly of Oct. 22, 1920, relates the formation or long cirrus clouds in the wake or three airplanes in the vicinity of Montfaucon, France, on Oct. 19, 1918. At first the trails were thought to be smoke, but they proved to be too wide for smoke. Their ice-crystal structure became evident when halo phenomena were observed as result of their presence. Cf. “The Argonne Battle Cloud.”


VARNEY, B. M., 1921: THE ARGONNE BATTLE CLOUD. Mon. Wea.
Rev., 49, 348–349.
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No one denies that some persistent contrails have existed since 1918 . . .coffee4
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I thought they weren't around before 1997?

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Persisent contrails in 1955

[link to www.rb-29.net]

Then Appleman's chart was in 1953

Appleman, H. S. (1953), The formation of exhaust condensation trails by jet aircraft, Bull. Amer. Met. Soc., 34, 14–20.

And then there are contrails from 1943

[link to books.google.com]

Finally observations around 1920

WEGENER, ALFRED, 1921: FROST SUPERSATURATION (FROSTÜBERSÄTTIGUNG) AND CIRRUS. Mon. Wea. Rev., 49, 349–349.

[link to www.highbeam.com]

and the Argonne Battle Cloud


Capt. Walter H. Nead in the .American Legion Weekly of Oct. 22, 1920, relates the formation or long cirrus clouds in the wake or three airplanes in the vicinity of Montfaucon, France, on Oct. 19, 1918. At first the trails were thought to be smoke, but they proved to be too wide for smoke. Their ice-crystal structure became evident when halo phenomena were observed as result of their presence. Cf. “The Argonne Battle Cloud.”


VARNEY, B. M., 1921: THE ARGONNE BATTLE CLOUD. Mon. Wea.
Rev., 49, 348–349.
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No one denies that some persistent contrails have existed since 1918 . . .coffee4
 Quoting: George B


And no one denies that there are chemicals in the sky...
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I'm fairly sure that high content sulphur fuel has been around for a long time.
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The contrail hasn't spread out over the entire sky like current chemtrails do. All you see is some cirrus clouds and a nice clean contrail that isn't blocking out the sun. There is also no way to know how long that has been there. The plane may have just went over one minute prior. There is no way to know. In any respect it is an airbase and who knows what kind of experimental shit they were doing back in the day.

All I know is when I was growing up in Bakersfield California you never saw persistant contrails in the summer and the sky was perfectly Blue for months on end. Up to 8 months out of the year were cloud free. There is no debating that. Today though we have "cirrus clouds" all summer which didn't exist 15 years ago. Cirrus clouds laid down by planes. And according to you these planes have always laid down persistant contrails.

But I just explained to you facts you cannot debate.
So explain that. You can't. Therefore chemtrails are real.

In fact Southern California is known for its cloud free days. But for the past 15 years or so there is always cirrus clouds. No cloud free days EVER anymore. Yeah that's normal OP. I believe you. PRICK.
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I thought they weren't around before 1997?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Sorry to dissapoint you but watch

Vanishing point (1971 movie) was filmed in Nevada plenty of those in that movie my friend.
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Near-field measurements on contrail properties from fuels with different sulfur content

The high fuel sulfur content also caused an increase in the typical number concentrations of contrail particles by about one third with respect to low sulfur fuel, while the effective diameter of the size distribution was lowered at a fuel sulfur independent ice water content. The major differences in accumulation mode aerosol and microphysical contrail properties between the used aircraft were an increased number concentration of both the accumulation mode aerosol and the contrail particles in the Airbus A310-300 plume relative to the ATTAS plume. Part of the difference in contrail particles may be caused by different ambient conditions, but the major differences are assumed to be caused by different engine and wake properties.

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The contrail hasn't spread out over the entire sky like current chemtrails do. All you see is some cirrus clouds and a nice clean contrail that isn't blocking out the sun. There is also no way to know how long that has been there. The plane may have just went over one minute prior. There is no way to know. In any respect it is an airbase and who knows what kind of experimental shit they were doing back in the day.

All I know is when I was growing up in Bakersfield California you never saw persistant contrails in the summer and the sky was perfectly Blue for months on end. Up to 8 months out of the year were cloud free. There is no debating that. Today though we have "cirrus clouds" all summer which didn't exist 15 years ago. Cirrus clouds laid down by planes. And according to you these planes have always laid down persistant contrails.

But I just explained to you facts you cannot debate.
So explain that. You can't. Therefore chemtrails are real.

In fact Southern California is known for its cloud free days. But for the past 15 years or so there is always cirrus clouds. No cloud free days EVER anymore. Yeah that's normal OP. I believe you. PRICK.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5616706


More efficient engines...more flights...means more water vapor in the air...which means more trails.

They have been there for at least 8 decades...there are just more of them now.

They are contrails...

Only paranoid losers call them "chemtrails"

fact

And to say there hasn't been any clear days in CA for 15 years is just plain stupid.
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Getting Back to our/your fighter pilots

So my husband asks a good question.

If chem trails are real, and they are, and if chem trails are making us sick and making our planet sick, and they are, then why do those we trust remain mum?

What exactly are these people being told? I mean it must be a whopper!

Let me the count the ways.

A terrible calamity awaits if we don’t do something to prevent global warming. We are sworn to protect the citizenry.



We had the best of intentions, but we really messed up big this time. We’ve not only altered our environment, we’ve altered the human genome. If this becomes widely known, the people will take to the streets. We are sworn to protect the citizenry.



We are sworn to protect the citizenry from all enemies, foreign and domestic. And that includes the extraterrestrial threat. We have found a way to target the enemy using chemical and biological warfare. We have found a way to deliver the instrument of their destruction. Some Americans have been walking around with alien genes and didn’t even know it. That is unfortunate, but a price we are willing to pay.
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I thought they weren't around before 1997?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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lol wateva there wernt even jets back then SHILL
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I thought they weren't around before 1997?

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lol wateva there wernt even jets back then SHILL
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I agree, Jets weren't invented until sept 10 2001.
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I thought they weren't around before 1997?

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Persisent contrails in 1955

[link to www.rb-29.net]

Then Appleman's chart was in 1953

Appleman, H. S. (1953), The formation of exhaust condensation trails by jet aircraft, Bull. Amer. Met. Soc., 34, 14–20.

And then there are contrails from 1943

[link to books.google.com]

Finally observations around 1920

WEGENER, ALFRED, 1921: FROST SUPERSATURATION (FROSTÜBERSÄTTIGUNG) AND CIRRUS. Mon. Wea. Rev., 49, 349–349.

[link to www.highbeam.com]

and the Argonne Battle Cloud


Capt. Walter H. Nead in the .American Legion Weekly of Oct. 22, 1920, relates the formation or long cirrus clouds in the wake or three airplanes in the vicinity of Montfaucon, France, on Oct. 19, 1918. At first the trails were thought to be smoke, but they proved to be too wide for smoke. Their ice-crystal structure became evident when halo phenomena were observed as result of their presence. Cf. “The Argonne Battle Cloud.”


VARNEY, B. M., 1921: THE ARGONNE BATTLE CLOUD. Mon. Wea.
Rev., 49, 348–349.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2674622


No one denies that some persistent contrails have existed since 1918 . . .coffee4
 Quoting: George B


That isn't true at all and you know it. Many people have posted on GLP that persistent contrails did not exist before 1997. It is upt to you to prove that the contrails are something else and you are incapable of doing so.
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The contrail hasn't spread out over the entire sky like current chemtrails do. All you see is some cirrus clouds and a nice clean contrail that isn't blocking out the sun. There is also no way to know how long that has been there. The plane may have just went over one minute prior. There is no way to know. In any respect it is an airbase and who knows what kind of experimental shit they were doing back in the day.

All I know is when I was growing up in Bakersfield California you never saw persistant contrails in the summer and the sky was perfectly Blue for months on end. Up to 8 months out of the year were cloud free. There is no debating that. Today though we have "cirrus clouds" all summer which didn't exist 15 years ago. Cirrus clouds laid down by planes. And according to you these planes have always laid down persistant contrails.

But I just explained to you facts you cannot debate.
So explain that. You can't. Therefore chemtrails are real.

In fact Southern California is known for its cloud free days. But for the past 15 years or so there is always cirrus clouds. No cloud free days EVER anymore. Yeah that's normal OP. I believe you. PRICK.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5616706


Hey George, read this. This guy says they DIDN'T esit 15 years ago. So your statement has been proven wrong.
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I thought they weren't around before 1997?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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lol wateva there wernt even jets back then SHILL
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The first jet flight was 1940. The first turbojet flight was 1939. The first turboprop was flown in 1938.
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lol wateva there wernt even jets back then SHILL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 589518


The first jet flight was 1940. The first turbojet flight was 1939. The first turboprop was flown in 1938.
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fuk off shill
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lol wateva there wernt even jets back then SHILL
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It's not about "jets" it's about combustion...which water is a byproduct.
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I thought they weren't around before 1997?

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lol wateva there wernt even jets back then SHILL
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The first jet flight was 1940. The first turbojet flight was 1939. The first turboprop was flown in 1938.
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fuk off shill
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Yes sometimes i belive that chemtrails are only there to make those that see them come out of ballance and loose their temper.
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lol wateva there wernt even jets back then SHILL
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The first jet flight was 1940. The first turbojet flight was 1939. The first turboprop was flown in 1938.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2674622


fuk off shill
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"fuk off shill"

The mating call of the paranoid retard...
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I thought they weren't around before 1997?

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lol wateva there wernt even jets back then SHILL
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The first jet flight was 1940. The first turbojet flight was 1939. The first turboprop was flown in 1938.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2674622


fuk off shill
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What kind of ass responds like that? The statements are true dumbshit.
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Getting Back to our/your fighter pilots

So my husband asks a good question.

If chem trails are real, and they are, and if chem trails are making us sick and making our planet sick, and they are, then why do those we trust remain mum?

What exactly are these people being told? I mean it must be a whopper!

Let me the count the ways.

A terrible calamity awaits if we don’t do something to prevent global warming. We are sworn to protect the citizenry.



We had the best of intentions, but we really messed up big this time. We’ve not only altered our environment, we’ve altered the human genome. If this becomes widely known, the people will take to the streets. We are sworn to protect the citizenry.



We are sworn to protect the citizenry from all enemies, foreign and domestic. And that includes the extraterrestrial threat. We have found a way to target the enemy using chemical and biological warfare. We have found a way to deliver the instrument of their destruction. Some Americans have been walking around with alien genes and didn’t even know it. That is unfortunate, but a price we are willing to pay.
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crazy
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Aviation and the global atmosphere.

The API/NPRA survey for 1996 reported that 46% of the jet fuel blendstock in the United States was straight-run material that was not hydro-treated (API/NPRA, 1997). For many of these refineries with limited hydro-treating capability, the most economical approach may be to shift blending stocks with higher sulfur content to jet fuel, saving streams with lower sulfur for diesel fuel.
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I thought they weren't around before 1997?

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That's out at Twin Bridges training area Ft. Know, KY, Thats a Shoulder fired "Stinger Missile contrail"

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lol wateva there wernt even jets back then SHILL
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The first jet flight was 1940. The first turbojet flight was 1939. The first turboprop was flown in 1938.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2674622


fuk off shill
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Yes sometimes i belive that chemtrails are only there to make those that see them come out of ballance and loose their temper.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9569103


hmmmmmm maybe so
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No one denies that some persistent contrails have existed since 1918 . . .coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Yes they do. Posters and bloggers here and elsewhere persisantly make this claim, with varitions from soft "they never used to be in the sky in my childhood" to harder terms with dates, expressing the early 2000's or 1990's as the begining of the aledged phenomenom. Its one of the obvious hints that this conspiracy is rubbish, the supporters cant even agree on the terms. There is no agreement on what the alledged chemicals are or what their purpose is, there must be a dozen different angles to the these points, how can you pretend to continue to believe this nonsence?

Chemtrails are contrails, the only chemical is H2O, simples.
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I dont ggive s shit how far you can sho a pic of something,They are filling our sky's with something almost every day. I use to look at the sky lot's as a Child in the 70's and 80's and nothing like this was up there unless it was a missile test and those arked up and over,the plane chemtrails criss cross all over and then it gets hazey !





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