The Odds of Evolution Occurring by Chance | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9314485 United States 01/22/2012 01:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evolutionist Harold Morowitz estimated the probability for chance formation of even the simplest form of living organism at 1/10340,000,000. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9286319 1 in 10 billion at any moment in history is pretty good odds actually. ?Multiply it by billions more for it than for no reason whatsoever with no guiding force become impossibly complex. In other words, impossible. Well, improbable maybe, not impossible, but even if it was by chance, how did the conditions necessary for formation of the simplest organisms come about? No, impossible: What Were the Odds For Evolution? Borel's law of probability states that if the odds of an event happening are worse than 1 in1*10^50, then that event will NEVER HAPPEN.Dr. Harold Morowitz, former professor of biophysics at Yale University, estimated thatthe probability of the chance formation of the smallest, simplest form of living organismknown is 1 out of 10^340,000,000. One out of ten to the 340 millionth power isunimaginable odds. This large figure is a "1" followed by 340,000,000 zeroes. As you cansee, Morowitz' odds against even the simplest life evolving were infinitely more than1*10^50, making them impossible. [link to www.scribd.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1379944 United States 01/22/2012 01:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So... if evolution doesn't exist.. Then explain to me how bacteria become resistant to the antibiotics we create to kill them. they ADAPT to their ENVIRONMENT via PHYSICAL CHANGE... aka EVOLVE. Using your "god theory" it would basically amount to "god" saying "HOLY SHIT! people are killing this bacteria and living! NO! I cannot have this! I hereby alter this bacteria so more people get sick and die!" |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 9314485 United States 01/22/2012 01:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9314485 Sense? You've just been shown the impossibility of anything other than a creator and you still choose to disbelieve just because your eyes can't see Him. Tell me again who's the one lacking any kind of rational thinking ability. God, according to you people, would be a perfect person/being/entity.. or whatever. God, according to you, made man. Man is imperfect. The creation of imperfection would render something that is perfect imperfect. There is no god. Retardo LIFE CAN NOT HAVE BEEN FORMED BY CHANCE. Now try to think just a little here I know it's difficult, THEREFORE THE ONLY OTHER POSSIBILITY HAS TO BE TRUE. And man was created perfect, but his decision to go at it apart from their Maker caused the chaos around us, it is not God's fault. You offer no intelligent argument here other than "No!" You realize this right? As far as "man's decision go at it apart from the maker" only further proves that, via your beliefs, GOD MADE AN IMPERFECTION. Right, the OP is not an intelligent argument. Just added the Scrbd link for you too. No doubt you will ignore that too though. And no, Free Will caused imperfection, a human mind even created perfect by it's nature is limited (only the Creator is otherwise)therefore capable of making imperfect choices. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 9256816 Australia 01/22/2012 01:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Roentgen® Then explain to me how bacteria become resistant to the antibiotics we create to kill them. ... That's selective breeding, survival of the fittest and all. That's why we have poodles and greyhounds. What I can't fathom is how a horse can slowly evolve into a whale, through random mutation, without their being any intermediate creatures in the fossil record. Cheers, |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1379944 United States 01/22/2012 01:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Roentgen, look dude.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8571827 I've often found that atheists don't believe in God, because they don't want to believe in God. Search your feelings deeply and find out why in your life that you have such negative thoughts. Stop being in denial please. I don't believe in "god" because the concept of god makes zero sense to me. |
LORIEN User ID: 9296927 India 01/22/2012 01:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Roentgen, look dude.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8571827 I've often found that atheists don't believe in God, because they don't want to believe in God. Search your feelings deeply and find out why in your life that you have such negative thoughts. Stop being in denial please. I don't believe in "god" because the concept of god makes zero sense to me. Hmnn, no Annunaki connection? It's easy to find something worth dying for. Do you have anything worth living for? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1379944 United States 01/22/2012 01:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Roentgen, look dude.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8571827 I've often found that atheists don't believe in God, because they don't want to believe in God. Search your feelings deeply and find out why in your life that you have such negative thoughts. Stop being in denial please. I don't believe in "god" because the concept of god makes zero sense to me. Hmnn, no Annunaki connection? annu what? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9314485 United States 01/22/2012 01:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So... if evolution doesn't exist.. Quoting: Roentgen® Then explain to me how bacteria become resistant to the antibiotics we create to kill them. they ADAPT to their ENVIRONMENT via PHYSICAL CHANGE... aka EVOLVE. Using your "god theory" it would basically amount to "god" saying "HOLY SHIT! people are killing this bacteria and living! NO! I cannot have this! I hereby alter this bacteria so more people get sick and die!" No, it's the natural adaptive quality put into all life at the beginning, at which time man had perfect defenses against any disease only their wrong choices caused the breakdown's that caused diseases to occur. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1379944 United States 01/22/2012 01:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So... if evolution doesn't exist.. Quoting: Roentgen® Then explain to me how bacteria become resistant to the antibiotics we create to kill them. they ADAPT to their ENVIRONMENT via PHYSICAL CHANGE... aka EVOLVE. Using your "god theory" it would basically amount to "god" saying "HOLY SHIT! people are killing this bacteria and living! NO! I cannot have this! I hereby alter this bacteria so more people get sick and die!" No, it's the natural adaptive quality put into all life at the beginning, at which time man had perfect defenses against any disease only their wrong choices caused the breakdown's that caused diseases to occur. Oh it is? Where is that in the bible? |
LORIEN User ID: 9296927 India 01/22/2012 01:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Roentgen, look dude.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8571827 I've often found that atheists don't believe in God, because they don't want to believe in God. Search your feelings deeply and find out why in your life that you have such negative thoughts. Stop being in denial please. I don't believe in "god" because the concept of god makes zero sense to me. Hmnn, no Annunaki connection? annu what? [link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net] It's easy to find something worth dying for. Do you have anything worth living for? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9256816 Australia 01/22/2012 01:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also... please tell me... Quoting: Roentgen® Can your perfect god create a stone so heavy he that he cannot lift it? That's a very good question. Of course, when he does, he just makes himself stronger so he can lift it. That's infinity for you. If we define God as 'all that there is' then logically God cannot create something that is not-God. But he could contemplate the concept, and decide to experience it through beings created in his own image, such as us. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9314485 United States 01/22/2012 01:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Roentgen, look dude.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8571827 I've often found that atheists don't believe in God, because they don't want to believe in God. Search your feelings deeply and find out why in your life that you have such negative thoughts. Stop being in denial please. I don't believe in "god" because the concept of god makes zero sense to me. And everything forming by random chance (impossible) does? Really? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1379944 United States 01/22/2012 01:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also... please tell me... Quoting: Roentgen® Can your perfect god create a stone so heavy he that he cannot lift it? That's a very good question. Of course, when he does, he just makes himself stronger so he can lift it. That's infinity for you. If we define God as 'all that there is' then logically God cannot create something that is not-God. But he could contemplate the concept, and decide to experience it through beings created in his own image, such as us. If he creates it and then has to make himself stronger so he can lift it... then he did, in fact, create something he couldn't lift which necessitated the need to increase his strength. Therefore... he was incapable of doing something.. which eliminates him from "godlike" status. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9314485 United States 01/22/2012 01:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So... if evolution doesn't exist.. Quoting: Roentgen® Then explain to me how bacteria become resistant to the antibiotics we create to kill them. they ADAPT to their ENVIRONMENT via PHYSICAL CHANGE... aka EVOLVE. Using your "god theory" it would basically amount to "god" saying "HOLY SHIT! people are killing this bacteria and living! NO! I cannot have this! I hereby alter this bacteria so more people get sick and die!" No, it's the natural adaptive quality put into all life at the beginning, at which time man had perfect defenses against any disease only their wrong choices caused the breakdown's that caused diseases to occur. Oh it is? Where is that in the bible? Sigh, read Genesis, Man rebelled, went at without God's perfect guidance, started making decisions with limited minds/knowledge, result = harmful consequences created. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1379944 United States 01/22/2012 01:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So... if evolution doesn't exist.. Quoting: Roentgen® Then explain to me how bacteria become resistant to the antibiotics we create to kill them. they ADAPT to their ENVIRONMENT via PHYSICAL CHANGE... aka EVOLVE. Using your "god theory" it would basically amount to "god" saying "HOLY SHIT! people are killing this bacteria and living! NO! I cannot have this! I hereby alter this bacteria so more people get sick and die!" No, it's the natural adaptive quality put into all life at the beginning, at which time man had perfect defenses against any disease only their wrong choices caused the breakdown's that caused diseases to occur. Oh it is? Where is that in the bible? Sigh, read Genesis, Man rebelled, went at without God's perfect guidance, started making decisions with limited minds/knowledge, result = harmful consequences created. so it says that their decision causes disease to occur? or you're just making this assumption to fit your argument? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9256816 Australia 01/22/2012 01:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also... please tell me... Quoting: Roentgen® Can your perfect god create a stone so heavy he that he cannot lift it? That's a very good question. Of course, when he does, he just makes himself stronger so he can lift it. That's infinity for you. If we define God as 'all that there is' then logically God cannot create something that is not-God. But he could contemplate the concept, and decide to experience it through beings created in his own image, such as us. If he creates it and then has to make himself stronger so he can lift it... then he did, in fact, create something he couldn't lift which necessitated the need to increase his strength. Therefore... he was incapable of doing something.. which eliminates him from "godlike" status. Think harder. The fact that he did lift it means that he didn't create something that he couldn't lift. Could God lift the heaviest thing ever made? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1379944 United States 01/22/2012 01:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also... please tell me... Quoting: Roentgen® Can your perfect god create a stone so heavy he that he cannot lift it? That's a very good question. Of course, when he does, he just makes himself stronger so he can lift it. That's infinity for you. If we define God as 'all that there is' then logically God cannot create something that is not-God. But he could contemplate the concept, and decide to experience it through beings created in his own image, such as us. If he creates it and then has to make himself stronger so he can lift it... then he did, in fact, create something he couldn't lift which necessitated the need to increase his strength. Therefore... he was incapable of doing something.. which eliminates him from "godlike" status. Think harder. The fact that he did lift it means that he didn't create something that he couldn't lift. Could God lift the heaviest thing ever made? That's not the question... you're changing the subject because you have no good answer. "Think harder?" I could make a 300lb block of concrete that I can't lift and then workout and become able to lift it. That doesn't make me a god. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9314485 United States 01/22/2012 01:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9314485 No, it's the natural adaptive quality put into all life at the beginning, at which time man had perfect defenses against any disease only their wrong choices caused the breakdown's that caused diseases to occur. Oh it is? Where is that in the bible? Sigh, read Genesis, Man rebelled, went at without God's perfect guidance, started making decisions with limited minds/knowledge, result = harmful consequences created. so it says that their decision causes disease to occur? or you're just making this assumption to fit your argument? It's called knowing your subject, every detail is not spelled out. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9256816 Australia 01/22/2012 01:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9256816 That's a very good question. Of course, when he does, he just makes himself stronger so he can lift it. That's infinity for you. If we define God as 'all that there is' then logically God cannot create something that is not-God. But he could contemplate the concept, and decide to experience it through beings created in his own image, such as us. If he creates it and then has to make himself stronger so he can lift it... then he did, in fact, create something he couldn't lift which necessitated the need to increase his strength. Therefore... he was incapable of doing something.. which eliminates him from "godlike" status. Think harder. The fact that he did lift it means that he didn't create something that he couldn't lift. Could God lift the heaviest thing ever made? That's not the question... you're changing the subject because you have no good answer. "Think harder?" I could make a 300lb block of concrete that I can't lift and then workout and become able to lift it. That doesn't make me a god. Okay, thanks for trying. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1379944 United States 01/22/2012 01:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sigh, read Genesis, Man rebelled, went at without God's perfect guidance, started making decisions with limited minds/knowledge, result = harmful consequences created. so it says that their decision causes disease to occur? or you're just making this assumption to fit your argument? It's called knowing your subject, every detail is not spelled out. Yet you follow this "bible" and base your life around it? Even though it's incredibly vague and, as you said, the details are not spelled out. ...and you blast atheists for not believing in god when you believe in something based on what basically amounts to hearsay? ok then. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1379944 United States 01/22/2012 01:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Roentgen® If he creates it and then has to make himself stronger so he can lift it... then he did, in fact, create something he couldn't lift which necessitated the need to increase his strength. Therefore... he was incapable of doing something.. which eliminates him from "godlike" status. Think harder. The fact that he did lift it means that he didn't create something that he couldn't lift. Could God lift the heaviest thing ever made? That's not the question... you're changing the subject because you have no good answer. "Think harder?" I could make a 300lb block of concrete that I can't lift and then workout and become able to lift it. That doesn't make me a god. Okay, thanks for trying. I wasn't done... seems you are. I accept your defeat. |
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