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How do you escape Plato's cave i.e. The Matrix we live in?

 
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How do you escape Plato's cave i.e. The Matrix we live in?
That Plato dude was sure on to something because he realised we humans were actually living in a "matrix" of illusion..
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

How do you escape Plato's cave i.e. The Matrix we live in?

By Opening the 3rd eye?
By waiting for Jebus?

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That Plato dude was sure on to something because he realised we humans were actually living in a "matrix" of illusion..
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

How do you escape Plato's cave i.e. The Matrix we live in?

By Opening the 3rd eye?
By waiting for Jebus?

1dunno1
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By finding the Programer. lol
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Re: How do you escape Plato's cave i.e. The Matrix we live in?
That Plato dude was sure on to something because he realised we humans were actually living in a "matrix" of illusion..
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

How do you escape Plato's cave i.e. The Matrix we live in?

By Opening the 3rd eye?
By waiting for Jebus?

1dunno1
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By finding the Programer. lol
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BUT HOW??

By Opening the 3rd eye?
By waiting for Jesus?
etc..
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1 star already? seriously the shills are on this one already!
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Re: How do you escape Plato's cave i.e. The Matrix we live in?
That Plato dude was sure on to something because he realised we humans were actually living in a "matrix" of illusion..
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

How do you escape Plato's cave i.e. The Matrix we live in?

By Opening the 3rd eye?
By waiting for Jebus?

1dunno1
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By finding the Programer. lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3635211


BUT HOW??

By Opening the 3rd eye?
By waiting for Jesus?
etc..
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Study advaita, meaning oneness of all = the Matrix.
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Re: How do you escape Plato's cave i.e. The Matrix we live in?
In John 8:24 Jesus declared: “For if you should not believe that I am [ego eimi] you will perish in your sins”

by finding God, the creator, Jesus.
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In John 8:24 Jesus declared: “For if you should not believe that I am [ego eimi] you will perish in your sins”

by finding God, the creator, Jesus.
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Jesus is NOT His Father, the Creator.
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Is it wrong that by the end of the matrix I was rooting for the machines to wipe out Zion?
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Re: How do you escape Plato's cave i.e. The Matrix we live in?
There is no way out.

Even if our physical body dies, and our soul is liberated from this physical world, we will still don't know the whole truth...

We can never know the whole truth. We are limited beings...
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Is it wrong that by the end of the matrix I was rooting for the machines to wipe out Zion?
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Not if you are just a program. Yet Neo wasn´t any.
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There is no way out.

Even if our physical body dies, and our soul is liberated from this physical world, we will still don't know the whole truth...

We can never know the whole truth. We are limited beings...
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Limited by what?
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So thats what it was called i was looking for this cartoon

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Re: How do you escape Plato's cave i.e. The Matrix we live in?
That Plato dude was sure on to something because he realised we humans were actually living in a "matrix" of illusion..
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

How do you escape Plato's cave i.e. The Matrix we live in?

By Opening the 3rd eye?
By waiting for Jebus?

1dunno1
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by fighting your way out with all your heart and all your soul..
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In John 8:24 Jesus declared: “For if you should not believe that I am [ego eimi] you will perish in your sins”

by finding God, the creator, Jesus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4619492


Jesus is NOT His Father, the Creator.
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the christ is actually the father of the father but you wouldnt know that with your limited belief system now would you?
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In John 8:24 Jesus declared: “For if you should not believe that I am [ego eimi] you will perish in your sins”

by finding God, the creator, Jesus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4619492


Jesus is NOT His Father, the Creator.
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the christ is actually the father of the father but you wouldnt know that with your limited belief system now would you?
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Moron.
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In John 8:24 Jesus declared: “For if you should not believe that I am [ego eimi] you will perish in your sins”

by finding God, the creator, Jesus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4619492


Jesus is NOT His Father, the Creator.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3635211


the christ is actually the father of the father but you wouldnt know that with your limited belief system now would you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6095154


Moron.
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And once again religion did derail the train
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Jesus is NOT His Father, the Creator.
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the christ is actually the father of the father but you wouldnt know that with your limited belief system now would you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6095154


Moron.
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And once again religion did derail the train
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The point is: there is smtg. behind existence which is us yet we aren´t it. The Source of "I AM". The Father.
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Re: How do you escape Plato's cave i.e. The Matrix we live in?
That Plato dude was sure on to something because he realised we humans were actually living in a "matrix" of illusion..
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

How do you escape Plato's cave i.e. The Matrix we live in?

By Opening the 3rd eye?
By waiting for Jebus?

1dunno1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9284596


by fighting your way out with all your heart and all your soul..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6095154



clappa

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That Plato dude was sure on to something because he realised we humans were actually living in a "matrix" of illusion..
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

How do you escape Plato's cave i.e. The Matrix we live in?

By Opening the 3rd eye?
By waiting for Jebus?

1dunno1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9284596


by fighting your way out with all your heart and all your soul..
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clappa
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Just give up...
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the christ is actually the father of the father but you wouldnt know that with your limited belief system now would you?
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Moron.
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And once again religion did derail the train
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The point is: there is smtg. behind existence which is us yet we aren´t it. The Source of "I AM". The Father.
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"The 'I' is there even without the 'am'." /Šrí Nisargadatta Maharaj
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That Plato dude was sure on to something because he realised we humans were actually living in a "matrix" of illusion..
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

How do you escape Plato's cave i.e. The Matrix we live in?

By Opening the 3rd eye?
By waiting for Jebus?

1dunno1
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without lengthy discourse, I will tell you the only truth there is on the matter without equivocation.

when your desire is to remove the source of desire, you will then walk the path out...and the path is long and will require displined meditation...

until then, you will walk in a circle of attachment to the matrix..you will pretend to seek the exit..but in truth, you will most likely be lying to yourself ...just wanting more entertainment...

you have to stop scratching the itch..then your path begins.

did you really want the truth?
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Awful is the great day of judgment at its dawning in the Netherworld. The soul stands naked in the Hall of Judgment, nothing can now be hidden. Hypocrisy is no avail; to maintain goodness when the soul reveals its own repulsiveness is futile. To mumble empty ritual is foolishness. To call upon Gods who have no existence is a waste of time.


In the Hall of Judgment the wrongdoer is judged. On that day and henceforth his qualities shall form his food. His soul, soft as clay upon Earth, is hardened and set into shape according to its moulding. The balances are adjusted.


One arrives. The Forty-Two Virtues are his assessors. Shall he dwell among beauty as a godling, or be given captive to the Keeper of Horrors, to dwell among vile things under a merciful mantle of darkness?


One arrives. The twisted body, tormented on Earth, and the ugly face have gone, discarded at the portal. He strides through the Hall in radiance, to pass into the Place of Everlasting Beauty.


One arrives. Now no earthly body shields the horror which is the true likeness of the evildoer upon Earth. He runs from the light which he cannot tolerate, and hides himself in the shadows near the Place of Terror. Soon he will be drawn to his compatible place among the Dismal Company.


One arrives. He has been upright and a just one. His failings and weaknesses were of little account. This upright man fears nothing, for he is welcomed among the Bright Ones and shall go unhampered among the Everlasting Lords.


One arrives. He trembles before the Unseen Judges, he is lost, he knows nothing, earthly knowledge and confidence are left behind. The balance drops, he sees his soul and recognizes his true self, he rushes into the merciful darkness. It enfolds him and dark arms embrace him, drawing him into the terrible gloom, into the Place of Dark Secret Horrors.


One arrives. She graced the court with beauty, men sang of her loveliness and grace. Now, as when a mantle is removed, all is discarded, it is the time of unveiling. Who can describe the lustful thoughts and secret unclean deeds which fashioned the horror coming through the portal? There is a hush among the compassionate.


One arrives. On Earth she was pitied by the compassionate and scorned by the hard-hearted. There her lot was degradation and servitude, privation and sacrifice, few and meager were the gifts from life. Yet she triumphed. Now she comes forward surrounded by brilliance, even the Shining Ones are dazzled by her beauty.


One arrives. The twisted face and pain-wracked body of the cripple have been left behind. A kind and loving soul dwelt imprisoned within its confines. Now the relieved spirit steps forward into the great Hall, unencumbered and free, glorious to behold.


One arrives. The splendid body which graced Earth remains there, an empty, decaying thing. The naked soul enters the Everlasting Halls. It is a deformed, mis-shapen thing fit only to dwell in the merciful gloom of the place with which it has compatible affinity.


One arrives. Neither goodness nor wickedness bears down upon the scales. The balances remain straight. The soul departs to the twilight borderland between the Region of Light and the Region of Darkness.


0 Great Lords of Eternity, who once were in the flesh, even as I, hear not the outpourings of an overburdened and sorrowful heart. For who am I to presume to call upon The Great God of All? Who am not without wickedness and weak in spirit. I have filled my heart with knowledge of the Secret Writings but still I fear the judgment. Therefore, Great Lords of Eternity, I call upon you who once walked the Earth, even as I, and who, therefore, understand the failings and weaknesses of men.


I am not weak in my standing with earthly things, but I am weak beside the Greater Beings. Will I, too, ever be worthy of the grandeur of the Eternal Mansions ? O Great Beings whose nature is beyond understanding, grant me just a spark of the Eternal Wisdom, that it might light my soul and kindle the flame of immortal life.


What is the destined fate of a man who knows the existence of things beyond his understanding? I see but I do not know, therefore I am afraid. Man can swim against the current towards the bank, but he needs a helping hand to pull him ashore when he is exhausted from the struggle.


This is the fate of man. He must strive for that which he cannot attain. He must believe in that which he cannot prove. He must seek that which he cannot find. He must travel a road without knowing his destination. Only thus can the purpose of life be fulfilled.


Man may believe he knows his destiny, but he cannot be assured with certainty; in no other way can he fulfil it. In this way alone can his soul be properly awakened to flower with its full potential. This alone he may know: The purpose of all human life is a goal so glorious it surpasses all earthly understanding.


We may visualise our individual goals as we will, it is ordained that we have this freedom. How close or how far we are from reality is of little consequence, what is, is. He who seeks a non-existent destination will, nevertheless, get somewhere. He who seeks not at all will get nowhere. Earthly life fulfils itself without attainment.
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In John 8:24 Jesus declared: “For if you should not believe that I am [ego eimi] you will perish in your sins”

by finding God, the creator, Jesus.
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32. "And they will even say that my teachings stem from the knowledge
of their cult, and that they had saved me from the cross because I was one
of them.

33. "They will claim that all my followers were from their cult,

34. "and they will also claim that I am the son of God.

35. "But I tell you that I have never belonged to this Association of
Essenes and that I have nothing in common with it or its followers; thus I
also never received help from them.

36. "The Association of the Essenes will not be the only group to make
use of my name. Many cults will come forth in my name and will thus
consider themselves great and will want to dazzle the people thereby.


The Association of the Essenes is the Masonic order today and they consider themselves god. Hence, they claim that the Messiah is from god (rather than Creation) even though he would have nothing to do with them.
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Is it wrong that by the end of the matrix I was rooting for the machines to wipe out Zion?
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Not if you are just a program. Yet Neo wasn´t any.
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Neo was a program, as demonstrated when he changed "reality" outside the matrix. By preserving the matrix and preventing the machines winning and thus starting a new iteration of that program, he simply prolonged humanities slavery to the machines.


Yet he is always viewed as a hero.

He was simply another program enabling the machines. Agent Smith was the only one that ever figured it out, and he was perceived as crazy.
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Easy! Read you some Immanuel Kant's Critique of Pure Reason. Absolutists like Plato asked, "How can we know that our ideas correspond with the way the world really is?" Kant OTOH, asked, "How do our ideas constitute our world?"

Essentially:

You take some wood and some pieces, and you make a game. You set up the rules about what can be moved where, how and when. Then, within the game, you are free to make any number of moves; some brilliant and others stupid, but you are ALWAYS bound by the rules you set up for yourself. And since you made the rules, it would be ridiculous to wonder whether or not the rules are true!

Kant did however believe that there was only one universal set of rules, and thus only one way to constitute our reality. This means that you could trust your observations to be accurate from one person to another.

Personally I find myself more in line with absolutists like Plato and DesCartes. Even Kant was a pseudoabsolutist. Relativism (to thine own self be true) was too far fetched for even he to believe in.

Also, check out Hegel's dialectic. Hegel was a student of Kant. Karl Marx was a student of Hegel's. Relativism leads straight to being a danged commie pinko.

Hegel thought that it would lead us ultimately to world peace, ala Star Trek's federation of planets, but we see what path that actually takes us down. Relativism is screwing up our country since Kennedy was shot.

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In John 8:24 Jesus declared: “For if you should not believe that I am [ego eimi] you will perish in your sins”

by finding God, the creator, Jesus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4619492


32. "And they will even say that my teachings stem from the knowledge
of their cult, and that they had saved me from the cross because I was one
of them.

33. "They will claim that all my followers were from their cult,

34. "and they will also claim that I am the son of God.

35. "But I tell you that I have never belonged to this Association of
Essenes and that I have nothing in common with it or its followers; thus I
also never received help from them.

36. "The Association of the Essenes will not be the only group to make
use of my name. Many cults will come forth in my name and will thus
consider themselves great and will want to dazzle the people thereby.


The Association of the Essenes is the Masonic order today and they consider themselves god. Hence, they claim that the Messiah is from god (rather than Creation) even though he would have nothing to do with them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9148013


From where did you quote that=?
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Kant FTW
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In John 8:24 Jesus declared: “For if you should not believe that I am [ego eimi] you will perish in your sins”

by finding God, the creator, Jesus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4619492


32. "And they will even say that my teachings stem from the knowledge
of their cult, and that they had saved me from the cross because I was one
of them.

33. "They will claim that all my followers were from their cult,

34. "and they will also claim that I am the son of God.

35. "But I tell you that I have never belonged to this Association of
Essenes and that I have nothing in common with it or its followers; thus I
also never received help from them.

36. "The Association of the Essenes will not be the only group to make
use of my name. Many cults will come forth in my name and will thus
consider themselves great and will want to dazzle the people thereby.


The Association of the Essenes is the Masonic order today and they consider themselves god. Hence, they claim that the Messiah is from god (rather than Creation) even though he would have nothing to do with them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9148013


From where did you quote that=?
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Talmud of Jmmanuel
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That Plato dude was sure on to something because he realised we humans were actually living in a "matrix" of illusion..
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

How do you escape Plato's cave i.e. The Matrix we live in?

By Opening the 3rd eye?
By waiting for Jebus?

1dunno1
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without lengthy discourse, I will tell you the only truth there is on the matter without equivocation.

when your desire is to remove the source of desire, you will then walk the path out...and the path is long and will require displined meditation...

until then, you will walk in a circle of attachment to the matrix..you will pretend to seek the exit..but in truth, you will most likely be lying to yourself ...just wanting more entertainment...

you have to stop scratching the itch..then your path begins.

did you really want the truth?
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JUST SPILL THE BEANS, ALREADY!
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