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FBI Terrorism Agents Raid Local Home Belonging To Couple Involved In Sovereign Citizens Group

 
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FBI Terrorism Agents Raid Local Home Belonging To Couple Involved In Sovereign Citizens Group
January 20, 2012

LAKE MARY, Fla. -- FBI terrorism agents raided a local home Thursday afternoon after an investigation that spanned several months.

Authorities with the FBI said agents went into the home on Autumn Oaks Place in Lake Mary.

Agents seized computers and bags of evidence in the raid. Neighbors said they believe the family who lives in the home is part of an anti-government movement. If so, the FBI said it believes that's domestic terrorism.

Neighbors said they believe the couple is part of a movement called Sovereign Citizens, which protests paying taxes.

"Maybe some tax protesting and that kind of thing. People protest all the time in this country, and it's your right. I don't think the FBI would come in with that kind of fire power," said Famiglietti.

But the FBI listed Sovereign Citizens among the nation's top domestic terror threats. By some estimates, there are as many as 300,000 of the anti-government extremists in the country.

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And so it begins....

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A pissed off American veteran!
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Are Ron Paul supporters classed amongst the "Sovereign Citizen" movement?
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yes we are
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yes we are
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Oh Noooes

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yes we are
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lol.. it's kind of hard to call people extremists if a growing majority of the population shares the same feelings.

i would tend to label someone an "extremist" if they raid someone's house with guns.
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But the FBI listed Sovereign Citizens among the nation's top domestic terror threats. By some estimates, there are as many as 300,000 of the anti-government extremists in the country.
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This ain't gonna end well at all...
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i find this amusing

2 adults and 3 children were home

Nobody was arrested !!!!

you raid a home and turn it upside down
and then arrest nobody ???

wtf ???
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i would tend to label someone an "extremist" if they raid someone's house with guns.
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+1
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i find this amusing

2 adults and 3 children were home

Nobody was arrested !!!!

you raid a home and turn it upside down
and then arrest nobody ???

wtf ???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9358476


They even had SWAT with them!!

I reckon it could be localized scare tactics, soon to be national scare tactics
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guess they got a couple cells open
at Gitmo they had to fill.
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F ucktards
B othering
I ndividuals

Glad we don't have em
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Red terror once again. Gulag to follow. Really a USSR on North American continent. Communists won.
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Failure to pay taxes
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F ucktards
B othering
I ndividuals

Glad we don't have em
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just wait til the NAU
is finalized

you Canooks are next
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Failure to pay taxes
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You get jail for that in the US?

Wow

Federal Reserve Pwned US People again
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Failure to pay taxes
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is not terrorism !!!
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"It's not something you see here in Lake Mary on an everyday basis," said neighbor Jim Famiglietti.

"They even had robots out here, almost like a movie almost," said neighbor Evelyn Briggs.


WOW!
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F ucktards
B othering
I ndividuals

Glad we don't have em
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1554318


just wait til the NAU
is finalized

you Canooks are next
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9358476


STFU we will revolt if you guys don't first

We won't accept any NAU especially with Mexico cancering it up
s226
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STFU we will revolt if you guys don't first

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good luck with that

we can't the lazy asses off the
couch from watching American Idol.
America is hypnotized,
so are you Canooks.
You will see
when TSHTF
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STFU we will revolt if you guys don't first

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1554318


good luck with that

we can't the lazy asses off the
couch from watching American Idol.
America is hypnotized,
so are you Canooks.
You will see
when TSHTF
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3% of our population is all we need

330 Million plus 34 million is 374 million we need 37.4 Million awake people to prevent this
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STFU we will revolt if you guys don't first

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1554318


good luck with that

we can't the lazy asses off the
couch from watching American Idol.
America is hypnotized,
so are you Canooks.
You will see
when TSHTF
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9358476


3% of our population is all we need

330 Million plus 34 million is 374 million we need 37.4 Million awake people to prevent this
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1554318


Excuse me that's 10 percent we only need like 11 million
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looks like quoting the Constitution and acknowledging your rights makes you a possible terrorist lol

Jan. 17, 2012

Did Palm Beach police have an encounter with a “sovereign citizen” last Tuesday night? Probably, police spokesman Fred Hess says.

“Let’s put it this way,” Hess said. “He kept saying, ‘I know my rights,’ things like that.” He referred to specific articles in the U.S. Constitution. “That’s typical of what a sovereign citizen would say.”

Sovereign citizens, according to the FBI, believe that federal, state and local agencies have no authority over them. Their numbers have been growing over the last decade and police officers, including Hess, have been getting instruction on how to spot them and what to do when they have an encounter.

[link to www.palmbeachdailynews.com]
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Some snippets from other articles, Sovereign Citizens was NOT confirmed by officials:



An FBI spokesperson says the Joint Terrorism Taskforce executed a search warrant at this home, where a family lives. We're not release their names because no charges have been filed, "I know he's under investigation over there is all I know, I don't have any details."

Agents won't release details either, but say the task force investigates both domestic and international terrorism. According to witnesses, investigators seized many items from the house, but couldn't say what.

We tried talking to the owner of the home, but no one answered the door.
We noticed no a "No Trespassing" sign, which prohibited government agencies on the property. Neighbors say the couple is against big government, "We've seen the No Trespassing signs, there are probably 3 or 4 of them, but you don't think anything of it. But then you wonder what's going on."


[link to www.myfoxorlando.com]






No one was arrested. Couvertier declined to describe the specific items that were seized from the home.

Those objects will be reviewed and analyzed, he said.

Neighbors told WESH.com that the family living in the home kept to themselves and are connected to an anti-government movement called the Sovereign Citizens.

However, officials have not confirmed those details.


[link to www.orlandosentinel.com]
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"It's not something you see here in Lake Mary on an everyday basis," said neighbor Jim Famiglietti.

"They even had robots out here, almost like a movie almost," said neighbor Evelyn Briggs.


WOW!
 Quoting: Laura Bow


Those assholes probably spend 10,000 bucks to invade those peoples home because they owed the IRS a 1000 bucks.
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looks like quoting the Constitution and acknowledging your rights makes you a possible terrorist lol

Jan. 17, 2012

Did Palm Beach police have an encounter with a “sovereign citizen” last Tuesday night? Probably, police spokesman Fred Hess says.

“Let’s put it this way,” Hess said. “He kept saying, ‘I know my rights,’ things like that.” He referred to specific articles in the U.S. Constitution. “That’s typical of what a sovereign citizen would say.”

Sovereign citizens, according to the FBI, believe that federal, state and local agencies have no authority over them. Their numbers have been growing over the last decade and police officers, including Hess, have been getting instruction on how to spot them and what to do when they have an encounter.

[link to www.palmbeachdailynews.com]
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WHOA......
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Domestic Terrorism
The Sovereign Citizen Movement

To help educate the public, we’ve previously outlined two separate domestic terror threats—eco-terrorists/animal rights extremists and lone offenders.

Today, we look at a third threat—the “sovereign citizen” extremist movement. Sovereign citizens are anti-government extremists who believe that even though they physically reside in this country, they are separate or “sovereign” from the United States. As a result, they believe they don’t have to answer to any government authority, including courts, taxing entities, motor vehicle departments, or law enforcement.

This causes all kinds of problems—and crimes. For example, many sovereign citizens don’t pay their taxes. They hold illegal courts that issue warrants for judges and police officers. They clog up the court system with frivolous lawsuits and liens against public officials to harass them. And they use fake money orders, personal checks, and the like at government agencies, banks, and businesses.

That’s just the beginning. Not every action taken in the name of the sovereign citizen ideology is a crime, but the list of illegal actions committed by these groups, cells, and individuals is extensive (and puts them squarely on our radar). In addition to the above, sovereign citizens:

* Commit murder and physical assault;
* Threaten judges, law enforcement professionals, and government personnel;
* Impersonate police officers and diplomats;
* Use fake currency, passports, license plates, and driver’s licenses; and
* Engineer various white-collar scams, including mortgage fraud and so-called “redemption” schemes.

Sovereign citizens are often confused with extremists from the militia movement. But while sovereign citizens sometimes use or buy illegal weapons, guns are secondary to their anti-government, anti-tax beliefs. On the other hand, guns and paramilitary training are paramount to militia groups.



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bump
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GET BACK TO THE COUCH SLAVES


New York 10
San Fran 14
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Some snippets from other articles, Sovereign Citizens was NOT confirmed by officials:



An FBI spokesperson says the Joint Terrorism Taskforce executed a search warrant at this home, where a family lives. We're not release their names because no charges have been filed, "I know he's under investigation over there is all I know, I don't have any details."

Agents won't release details either, but say the task force investigates both domestic and international terrorism. According to witnesses, investigators seized many items from the house, but couldn't say what.

We tried talking to the owner of the home, but no one answered the door.
We noticed no a "No Trespassing" sign, which prohibited government agencies on the property. Neighbors say the couple is against big government, "We've seen the No Trespassing signs, there are probably 3 or 4 of them, but you don't think anything of it. But then you wonder what's going on."


[link to www.myfoxorlando.com]

The people you hope to wake up to save America, your 'neighbors', will be the first to betray you to Big Bro. getting paid a bonus via your own tax $$$.




No one was arrested. Couvertier declined to describe the specific items that were seized from the home.

Those objects will be reviewed and analyzed, he said.

Neighbors told WESH.com that the family living in the home kept to themselves and are connected to an anti-government movement called the Sovereign Citizens.

However, officials have not confirmed those details.


[link to www.orlandosentinel.com]
 Quoting: Laura Bow

News