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Misandry -Why Men Don't Exist

 
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Now consider this thread, as well as numerous other threads just like it. Men are saying, "The pendulum has swung too far; men are portrayed and treated as second class citizens."
What can we learn from this?

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I would like to point out another fascinating thing about this subject and this thread.

If I say to you, "I think the prices at K Mart are too high," do you assume that I bear hatred or ill will towards the employees of K Mart?

If I say to you, "The Income Tax is an un-Constitutional theft of my property!", do you assume that I bear hatred or ill will towards the employees of H & R Block?

If I say to you, "I think movie ticket prices are a real rip-off!", do you assume that I bear hatred or ill will towards the employees of Fox Studios?

In each case I am objecting to a perceived imbalance or unsatisfactory state of affairs. No reasonable person would make the torturous leap that I am waging a vendetta against clerks, tax accountants or movie moguls based on what I have stated.

And yet, if I say, "I think men are bdeing treated unfairly in this society, " INEVITABLY I am shouted down and insulted as if I were making remarks or comments about WOMEN.

As far as I'm concerned, nothing screams "I'm a brainwashed puppet!" louder than this inability to separate what I am actually saying from what they perceive as a threat to their programmed belief system.
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9255363cheers as always.

But don't forget that those who disagree with you are 10x more likely
to post 'you're shit', than those who agree with you to post 'you're great'.

That's probably good, because if all the people started posting one-liners
'good on you mate' and such, the thread would be even more unreadable than
it is now.

The thread has 4 stars, with 43 votes - it means at least, that most people
agree with what's being said in here.

Btw nice quote I saw today:

If one were to take "white" and "male" out of science, the whole
human race would still be living in mud huts. [Dr. Frank Ellis]
The cat who can use keyboard.
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Now consider this thread, as well as numerous other threads just like it. Men are saying, "The pendulum has swung too far; men are portrayed and treated as second class citizens."
What can we learn from this?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9255363


I would like to point out another fascinating thing about this subject and this thread.

If I say to you, "I think the prices at K Mart are too high," do you assume that I bear hatred or ill will towards the employees of K Mart?

If I say to you, "The Income Tax is an un-Constitutional theft of my property!", do you assume that I bear hatred or ill will towards the employees of H & R Block?

If I say to you, "I think movie ticket prices are a real rip-off!", do you assume that I bear hatred or ill will towards the employees of Fox Studios?

In each case I am objecting to a perceived imbalance or unsatisfactory state of affairs. No reasonable person would make the torturous leap that I am waging a vendetta against clerks, tax accountants or movie moguls based on what I have stated.

And yet, if I say, "I think men are bdeing treated unfairly in this society, " INEVITABLY I am shouted down and insulted as if I were making remarks or comments about WOMEN.

As far as I'm concerned, nothing screams "I'm a brainwashed puppet!" louder than this inability to separate what I am actually saying from what they perceive as a threat to their programmed belief system.
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perhaps some women do that because this is just the start of the men's movement as it were.
when women started 'getting uppity' and complaining about the lack of rights, it was taken as criticism against men.
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Of course you do, but not according to the media. Watch the video, see how men are portrayed, either evil, of not mentioned at all.

We are Workers, employees, Bread winners, but not .. Men. Watch the video, see for yourself.
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I have noticed a thing.

when the subject of misandry is raised people find it impossible to stay on topic. If I say, "I think it's going to rain today," and you say, "Your oranges are getting moldy," there is no conversation going on.

Now consider this thread, as well as numerous other threads just like it. Men are saying, "The pendulum has swung too far; men are portrayed and treated as second class citizens." None of the detractors on the thread have made any attempt at all to disprove this using facts or examples or logic. I have yet to see any serious attempt to reconcile the double standard of the Man haters on The View joking about male sexual mutilation with the alleged desire for equality on the part of feminists and their male apologists.
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Why should any of us try to refute it? Most of us agree with it. The problem, which in your following drivel, you never once bother to mention... is that the men in this thread want to correct the pendulum not by balance, but by pushing women back down "into their place".

Instead they regurgitate the same tired propaganda they have been brainwashed with. They are robots. They cannot hear what you say; they can only repeat their conditioning and hurl insults and accusations, hoping that something will stick and that they can irritate you sufficiently to drag you down to their level.

What can we learn from this?

Gentlemen, Feminism is a cult. Think about it. Have you ever tried to get a Jehova's Witness to see your point of view? Or a Scientologist? Ever debated with a Mormon? Or a fundamentalist Christian?

Each of these displays complete, dogmatic certainty. They have a set of beliefs and nothing--no reason, no arguments, no appeals to fairness or common sense--nothing, as I say, will break them out of their utter certainty.

It's the same with the modern Feminist. They can't hear you; they can't see what you see. Their minds have been co-opted. If you say, "I see evidence of misandry and here is a list of specific examples," they will say--

"Your oranges are moldy! ANDyou hate women!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9255363


Yeah, yeah, yeah. Except that OP said, "It's raining and it's all women's fault and when women have rights it destroys entire nations!" Then you want everyone to stick to the "subject" which ostensibly is misandry... but is actually, and I quote the OP VERBATIM:

Of course, Feminism is a well known destroyer of Nations
 Quoting: OP


So if you want to discuss misandry, keep it to that, rather than "feminism destroys nations" without any PROOF.

You are a disgusting person to demand PROOF and proper discussion when the OP deliberately opens with some shit like "feminism is a well known destroyer of nations".

War destroys nations. Men make war, women aren't even allowed in it. So MEN destroy nations... that's just fact.

If you want to discuss misandry, then the vast majority of women on this forum will be ALL for the discussion. AND agree 100% that the pendulum has swung too far.

But that's not what OP wanted to discuss. What OP wanted to discuss was how women must be owned by men again because feminism destroys nations (a foolish and unproven statement in and of itself--so much for vaunted "male logic").

You are full of shit. So is OP.

You have a nice day, now. poop
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WRONG..

Sandi T.....

Feminism as most people know it from the 60's revolution was a purposeful evil act behind the scenes to destroy the *NUCLEAR FAMILY*

To Destroy the Role of Father and Destroy the Role of Mother by piting each one of them agaisnt another so there would be division, strife and seperation..(NO FAULT DIVORCE)

Most want you to believe that Women of the 50's wanted out of there Boring Mundane Lives at wives and mother's

That is TOTAL B.S

Sure there were exceptions where Physical Abuse was involved or alcoholism, but many of the Women of the 50's came out of the GREAT DEPRESSION they knew what is was like to be hungry, stand in bread lines, they knew what is was like to be children of World War 2 and see Father's leave and to go through Air Raid Drills at school, to be scared if they were going to be killed in Wartime

So after the War they wanted HOME and Hearth
A Home that they could bring up there children with enough food on the table, a nice warm bed to sleep in and to live in a Era of PEACE...They wanted the White Picket Fence and a Home of thier own..


Most MEN took there job as HUSBAND and FATHER seriously, they did not think of abandoning the FAMILY to shack up with the latest TROLLOP and leave there kids to go hungry.


The DRUG INDUCED 60's was the COLLAPSE of the NUCLEAR FAMILY and FEMINISM WAS ONE GREAT CAUSE OF IT...


And look at what we have today...

SHAMEFUL!
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Now consider this thread, as well as numerous other threads just like it. Men are saying, "The pendulum has swung too far; men are portrayed and treated as second class citizens."
What can we learn from this?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9255363


I would like to point out another fascinating thing about this subject and this thread.

If I say to you, "I think the prices at K Mart are too high," do you assume that I bear hatred or ill will towards the employees of K Mart?

If I say to you, "The Income Tax is an un-Constitutional theft of my property!", do you assume that I bear hatred or ill will towards the employees of H & R Block?

If I say to you, "I think movie ticket prices are a real rip-off!", do you assume that I bear hatred or ill will towards the employees of Fox Studios?

In each case I am objecting to a perceived imbalance or unsatisfactory state of affairs. No reasonable person would make the torturous leap that I am waging a vendetta against clerks, tax accountants or movie moguls based on what I have stated.

And yet, if I say, "I think men are bdeing treated unfairly in this society, " INEVITABLY I am shouted down and insulted as if I were making remarks or comments about WOMEN.

As far as I'm concerned, nothing screams "I'm a brainwashed puppet!" louder than this inability to separate what I am actually saying from what they perceive as a threat to their programmed belief system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9255363

Good point! YOU are not supposed to be shouted down because YOU are NOT insulting WOMEN. OTHERS, however, ARE indeed insulting women as a complement of their complains. Your point cannot be used as an umbrella to defend those other guys. Clear?
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Baby Boomers- As I am one...Still saw the Nuclear Family intact with trickles of seeing more divorces starting to prop up..Mother's still home raising the kids...

Baby Boomers create Generation X and kids found themselves as *Latch Key*

“latchkey kid” refers to unsupervised youngsters who care for themselves before or after school, on weekends, and during holidays while their parents work. They commonly carry house keys to let themselves in and out of their homes.”

GENERATION Y-age-group is often called the “eighties babies” generation, in reference to the fact that they were born between January 1, 1980 and December 31, 1989..

This SELF ABSORBED generation comes from Gen X who resented being Left Alone and started to create the *Entitlement Generation*

Millenials- Children born to Gen X and Gen Y an ERA of the VIOLENT CHILD, the ERA of a GENDER CONFUSED CHILD, And ERA of CHILDREN GROWINUP WITHOUT FAITH AND DIRECTION


Thanks Feminism! YOU DID A GREAT JOB!
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So allow me. Except for some adults that know what they're talking about...

LMAO at the woman bashing faggotry. This thread still has plenty ( instead of full ) of losers, nerds and masturbators. Go get laid, morans cruise

Please continue. 5a
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I'm much better off alone than I ever was the any man.
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Your point cannot be used as an umbrella to defend those other guys. Clear?
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I'm not defending anyone. I was making an observation. And the observation is generally sound.

This thread is not the first time I have discussed misandry. Neither is it the first one I have read as an observer. I'm betting most of the men here could say the same thing.

This tendency on the part of women to accuse one of misogyny for simply stating the obvious is one with which we are quite familiar.

I find it interesting that you assume I am attempting to justify other people's attitudes or remarks. Especially since you began by agreeing with the point I was making.
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I'll answer these.



1.) What do YOU want from women in general?

Nothing. I want honesty, fair play and a recognition of every person's inherent dignity.

I want them from human beings, though. Not women. Not men. Human beings.

I do think it's high time women took a look at the world around them and began asking themselves certain questions, though. Like, what would happen if a man got on The View and openly laughed and mocked at a woman who had been sexually mutilated.

We all know the answer to that one.

So why is it harmless fun if women can openly mock a mutilated male?

try to imagine living in a world that found that funny.

Can you imagine why men might be upset about it?

2.) Do you engage in the "bar scene" and the "player" mentality of running multiple women?

No.

3.) What kind of traits do you want in a wife of long term girlfriend?

Loyalty. Empathy. Kindness. Intelligence. Good sense and an understanding of who she is as a person.

4.) What do you feel women are doing in large numbers that upsets you the most?

Standing by and ignoring the obvious misandry that permeates our society. Deriding men who speak out against that misandry.

5.) What do you feel men are doing in large numbers that upsets you the most?

I have no answer for this.

6.) Do you think one partner in a committed relationship should "run" the relationship?

What you describe is not a relationship. Healthy, adult relationships are built on common interests, shared goals and mutual respect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9255363


I posted this a day or so ago in response to the above questions.

I want to talk a bit more about number 4. Assuming for the moment that the social structure of the last few hundred years reflected actual inequality (and this is a point I do not concede), once women began demanding more rights they found men generally supportive.

Men marched with the Suffragettes. Men wrote pamphlets and gave speeches in support of the cause of Women's Rights. Men enacted legislation to bring those rights into being.

(One of the more amusing gaps in Feminist dogma is that a Patriarchy allegedly Hell-bent on keeping women barefoot and pregnant somehow fell asleep at the switch long enough to give them all the rights they demanded, plus more. Patriarchy! Is it evil, stupid, or suffering from amnesia? But I digress.)

So, once men became aware of the concerns of their wives and daughters they were willing to lend their aid to bring about change.

Now it is men who are saying things have gotten out of whack. But women have no interest in changing the status quo. They seem content to let things drift along as they are. Can anyone name a single prominent (i.e. nationally heard) female voice crying out against misandry? Just one?

No, neither can I.

It's high time women began exerting themselves for the eradication of institutionalized sexism and male bashing. Don't you care about your brothers? Are you unconcerned about the world your sons must grow up in?

When will we see the decent women stand up and march with us?
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I for one as happy that I was born after feminism has allowed me a life where I had more choice. I am glad that I did not have to stay married to a cruel alcoholic man who would lock up the cupboards so I couldn't feed myself or my kids. I am glad that I did not die in childbirth, having my 9th baby....probably because I was malnurished by my asshole husband. This happened to my great grandmother in Ireland. I for one am happy that I had a choice.

I agree with Sandi T's points raised.
Misandry and feminism are two separate topics.
Regardless of its origins, feminism has helped women regain their inner power.
Men need to band together too now, to regain their inner power.
They can do this, not by putting women down, but by defining themselves for who and what they are.
Take women out of the equation.
What do you want men?
Do you want to be treated fairly?
Do you want to be valued?
Do ou want to be listened to?
You can define what you want without disrespecting anyone else.
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I'll answer these.



1.) What do YOU want from women in general?

Nothing. I want honesty, fair play and a recognition of every person's inherent dignity.

I want them from human beings, though. Not women. Not men. Human beings.

I do think it's high time women took a look at the world around them and began asking themselves certain questions, though. Like, what would happen if a man got on The View and openly laughed and mocked at a woman who had been sexually mutilated.

We all know the answer to that one.

So why is it harmless fun if women can openly mock a mutilated male?

try to imagine living in a world that found that funny.

Can you imagine why men might be upset about it?

2.) Do you engage in the "bar scene" and the "player" mentality of running multiple women?

No.

3.) What kind of traits do you want in a wife of long term girlfriend?

Loyalty. Empathy. Kindness. Intelligence. Good sense and an understanding of who she is as a person.

4.) What do you feel women are doing in large numbers that upsets you the most?

Standing by and ignoring the obvious misandry that permeates our society. Deriding men who speak out against that misandry.

5.) What do you feel men are doing in large numbers that upsets you the most?

I have no answer for this.

6.) Do you think one partner in a committed relationship should "run" the relationship?

What you describe is not a relationship. Healthy, adult relationships are built on common interests, shared goals and mutual respect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9255363


I posted this a day or so ago in response to the above questions.

I want to talk a bit more about number 4. Assuming for the moment that the social structure of the last few hundred years reflected actual inequality (and this is a point I do not concede), once women began demanding more rights they found men generally supportive.

Men marched with the Suffragettes. Men wrote pamphlets and gave speeches in support of the cause of Women's Rights. Men enacted legislation to bring those rights into being.

(One of the more amusing gaps in Feminist dogma is that a Patriarchy allegedly Hell-bent on keeping women barefoot and pregnant somehow fell asleep at the switch long enough to give them all the rights they demanded, plus more. Patriarchy! Is it evil, stupid, or suffering from amnesia? But I digress.)

So, once men became aware of the concerns of their wives and daughters they were willing to lend their aid to bring about change.

Now it is men who are saying things have gotten out of whack. But women have no interest in changing the status quo. They seem content to let things drift along as they are. Can anyone name a single prominent (i.e. nationally heard) female voice crying out against misandry? Just one?

No, neither can I.

It's high time women began exerting themselves for the eradication of institutionalized sexism and male bashing. Don't you care about your brothers? Are you unconcerned about the world your sons must grow up in?

When will we see the decent women stand up and march with us?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9255363


Your sense of history is out of whack. Perhaps some men were supportive, but not the majority, that is for sure. It took decades of work. And it will take decades for the men's movement too. But it is a worthy undertaking. And you should do it because it needs to be done....whether or not women stand with you now. You need to unite with other men now. Define yourselves now.
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Your point cannot be used as an umbrella to defend those other guys. Clear?
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I'm not defending anyone. I was making an observation. And the observation is generally sound.

This thread is not the first time I have discussed misandry. Neither is it the first one I have read as an observer. I'm betting most of the men here could say the same thing.

This tendency on the part of women to accuse one of misogyny for simply stating the obvious is one with which we are quite familiar.

I find it interesting that you assume I am attempting to justify other people's attitudes or remarks. Especially since you began by agreeing with the point I was making.
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I agree with "keeping the pendulum in balance" because men and women should have equivalent human and civil rights. I also tend to agree with your stance which is actually far from the worst I see here and yes, the video seems to show misandry.

That said, since you have an hard time understanding why women are fed up in your country and tend to quickly accuse men of misogyny, I'm going to ask you and other USA men this example question: where were you when for more than 2 decades, rappers sang about bitches and hoes? Did you man up, protected the women from verbal abuse and told the rappers to STFU? No? Then, don't complain.
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That said, since you have an hard time understanding why women are fed up in your country and tend to quickly accuse men of misogyny, I'm going to ask you and other USA men this example question: where were you when for more than 2 decades, rappers sang about bitches and hoes? Did you man up, protected the women from verbal abuse and told the rappers to STFU? No? Then, don't complain.
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Are you under the impression that I control the recording industry? Do you labor under the delusion that I can tell citizens with the right of free expression what they may and may not say? I don't listen to that type of music; neither do I call woman those kinds of names.But spare me your self righteousness; if you have ever seen a rap video you may have noticed they are brimming with women and female hangers-on. Does it stop being objectionable when it becomes profitable?

As for 'complaining', I will express my views of the culture and the country I live in without the benefit of either your consent or approval.

It is past time that people are made aware just how insidiously anti-male thissocirty has become. Pointing out that misogyny also exists is moot; nobody denies it. If you read back thfrough the thread I have already mentioned that anger and misogyny will not help resolve the issue.

I say misandry exists. You counter by saying misogyny exists, and therefore I have no cause for complaint.

Congratulations. You just made an airtight case in the Supreme 6 Year Old Kiddie Kourt.
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Your sense of history is out of whack. Perhaps some men were supportive, but not the majority, that is for sure.


You need to unite with other men now. Define yourselves now.
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I see. So by 'some men' being supportive, do you refer to the male legislators who enacted the laws women were advocating for?

You have to admit, at least, that 'some men' is still a number higher than zero. Zero being the number of women advocating for men's rights.



And I think I speak for all of us when I say we don't need you telling us to
define ourselves'. We already know who we are. The uniting you speak of is already taking place. men are starting to figure out what has been going on for the past 40 years. Threads like this one are only going to become more common.
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Your sense of history is out of whack. Perhaps some men were supportive, but not the majority, that is for sure.


You need to unite with other men now. Define yourselves now.
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I see. So by 'some men' being supportive, do you refer to the male legislators who enacted the laws women were advocating for?

You have to admit, at least, that 'some men' is still a number higher than zero. Zero being the number of women advocating for men's rights.



And I think I speak for all of us when I say we don't need you telling us to
define ourselves'. We already know who we are. The uniting you speak of is already taking place. men are starting to figure out what has been going on for the past 40 years. Threads like this one are only going to become more common.
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You are absolutely wrong, and outright lying by saying there are no women advocating for men's rights. I am even now working very hard to help a man regain custody of his son (or at least visits with him, for the love of god!). I have helped him begin to empower himself, and pointed out some laws that were violated in getting him to sign a coercive statement voiding his rights.

There are many women who are advocating for men's rights. Because YOU don't know them, doesn't negate them.

And as I've already pointed out, there are plenty of women willing and ready to admit the misandry that exists. The worst problem, though, is that there are far too many of your own counterparts--men--who want to take away the rights of women and blame women having rights for everything that's wrong with society as if society was perfect until women gained rights.

You are making yourself look like an asshole, and an idiot to boot, by claiming ZERO women advocate for men's rights. In large part, many of us women feel that things such as men having the right to be around their children is ALSO about children's rights. And we will fight for both, because IT IS RIGHT, despite how much absolute LOATHING and TOTAL SHIT we take from men on a daily basis.
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Your point cannot be used as an umbrella to defend those other guys. Clear?
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I'm not defending anyone. I was making an observation. And the observation is generally sound.

This thread is not the first time I have discussed misandry. Neither is it the first one I have read as an observer. I'm betting most of the men here could say the same thing.

This tendency on the part of women to accuse one of misogyny for simply stating the obvious is one with which we are quite familiar.

I find it interesting that you assume I am attempting to justify other people's attitudes or remarks. Especially since you began by agreeing with the point I was making.
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I agree with "keeping the pendulum in balance" because men and women should have equivalent human and civil rights. I also tend to agree with your stance which is actually far from the worst I see here and yes, the video seems to show misandry.

That said, since you have an hard time understanding why women are fed up in your country and tend to quickly accuse men of misogyny, I'm going to ask you and other USA men this example question: where were you when for more than 2 decades, rappers sang about bitches and hoes? Did you man up, protected the women from verbal abuse and told the rappers to STFU? No? Then, don't complain.
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So what? Women do not give a shit about male issues, so, why should men care about women issues? Grow some balls, you are just a castrated feminist slave. Men like you should be mass kiled.
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Your point cannot be used as an umbrella to defend those other guys. Clear?
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I'm not defending anyone. I was making an observation. And the observation is generally sound.

This thread is not the first time I have discussed misandry. Neither is it the first one I have read as an observer. I'm betting most of the men here could say the same thing.

This tendency on the part of women to accuse one of misogyny for simply stating the obvious is one with which we are quite familiar.

I find it interesting that you assume I am attempting to justify other people's attitudes or remarks. Especially since you began by agreeing with the point I was making.
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I agree with "keeping the pendulum in balance" because men and women should have equivalent human and civil rights. I also tend to agree with your stance which is actually far from the worst I see here and yes, the video seems to show misandry.

That said, since you have an hard time understanding why women are fed up in your country and tend to quickly accuse men of misogyny, I'm going to ask you and other USA men this example question: where were you when for more than 2 decades, rappers sang about bitches and hoes? Did you man up, protected the women from verbal abuse and told the rappers to STFU? No? Then, don't complain.
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So what? Women do not give a shit about male issues, so, why should men care about women issues? Grow some balls, you are just a castrated feminist slave. Men like you should be mass kiled.
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I have noticed a thing.

when the subject of misandry is raised people find it impossible to stay on topic. If I say, "I think it's going to rain today," and you say, "Your oranges are getting moldy," there is no conversation going on.

Now consider this thread, as well as numerous other threads just like it. Men are saying, "The pendulum has swung too far; men are portrayed and treated as second class citizens." None of the detractors on the thread have made any attempt at all to disprove this using facts or examples or logic. I have yet to see any serious attempt to reconcile the double standard of the Man haters on The View joking about male sexual mutilation with the alleged desire for equality on the part of feminists and their male apologists.
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Why should any of us try to refute it? Most of us agree with it. The problem, which in your following drivel, you never once bother to mention... is that the men in this thread want to correct the pendulum not by balance, but by pushing women back down "into their place".

Instead they regurgitate the same tired propaganda they have been brainwashed with. They are robots. They cannot hear what you say; they can only repeat their conditioning and hurl insults and accusations, hoping that something will stick and that they can irritate you sufficiently to drag you down to their level.

What can we learn from this?

Gentlemen, Feminism is a cult. Think about it. Have you ever tried to get a Jehova's Witness to see your point of view? Or a Scientologist? Ever debated with a Mormon? Or a fundamentalist Christian?

Each of these displays complete, dogmatic certainty. They have a set of beliefs and nothing--no reason, no arguments, no appeals to fairness or common sense--nothing, as I say, will break them out of their utter certainty.

It's the same with the modern Feminist. They can't hear you; they can't see what you see. Their minds have been co-opted. If you say, "I see evidence of misandry and here is a list of specific examples," they will say--

"Your oranges are moldy! ANDyou hate women!
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Except that OP said, "It's raining and it's all women's fault and when women have rights it destroys entire nations!" Then you want everyone to stick to the "subject" which ostensibly is misandry... but is actually, and I quote the OP VERBATIM:

Of course, Feminism is a well known destroyer of Nations
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So if you want to discuss misandry, keep it to that, rather than "feminism destroys nations" without any PROOF.

You are a disgusting person to demand PROOF and proper discussion when the OP deliberately opens with some shit like "feminism is a well known destroyer of nations".

War destroys nations. Men make war, women aren't even allowed in it. So MEN destroy nations... that's just fact.

If you want to discuss misandry, then the vast majority of women on this forum will be ALL for the discussion. AND agree 100% that the pendulum has swung too far.

But that's not what OP wanted to discuss. What OP wanted to discuss was how women must be owned by men again because feminism destroys nations (a foolish and unproven statement in and of itself--so much for vaunted "male logic").

You are full of shit. So is OP.

You have a nice day, now. poop
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Feminism is a destroyer of Nations. It holds up one gender over another. It denigrates half the population. ( men) It inherently means men are not giving up enough, it is saying that women must change the way they think because " men" have failed to give equal consideration to women, So these women have to take up a philosophy unto their own.

Feminism is the opposite of equal rights. Feminist promote the image that men are less than women.

I fail to see how you cant understand this. And yes... that attitude destroys families, cities and eventually nations. In my opinion, women are the ultimate losers in this thought process.

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Your sense of history is out of whack. Perhaps some men were supportive, but not the majority, that is for sure.


You need to unite with other men now. Define yourselves now.
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I see. So by 'some men' being supportive, do you refer to the male legislators who enacted the laws women were advocating for?

You have to admit, at least, that 'some men' is still a number higher than zero. Zero being the number of women advocating for men's rights.



And I think I speak for all of us when I say we don't need you telling us to
define ourselves'. We already know who we are. The uniting you speak of is already taking place. men are starting to figure out what has been going on for the past 40 years. Threads like this one are only going to become more common.
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You are absolutely wrong, and outright lying by saying there are no women advocating for men's rights. I am even now working very hard to help a man regain custody of his son (or at least visits with him, for the love of god!). I have helped him begin to empower himself, and pointed out some laws that were violated in getting him to sign a coercive statement voiding his rights.

There are many women who are advocating for men's rights. Because YOU don't know them, doesn't negate them.

And as I've already pointed out, there are plenty of women willing and ready to admit the misandry that exists. The worst problem, though, is that there are far too many of your own counterparts--men--who want to take away the rights of women and blame women having rights for everything that's wrong with society as if society was perfect until women gained rights.

You are making yourself look like an asshole, and an idiot to boot, by claiming ZERO women advocate for men's rights. In large part, many of us women feel that things such as men having the right to be around their children is ALSO about children's rights. And we will fight for both, because IT IS RIGHT, despite how much absolute LOATHING and TOTAL SHIT we take from men on a daily basis.
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Poor opressed bitches! You are just a bunch of parasites who receive special rights and no responsibilities, yet you keep playing the victim card. Without men you would all starve to death within a month. I would love to see it happen.
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You are absolutely wrong,

I am frequently wrong

and outright lying by saying there are no women advocating for men's rights. I am even now working very hard to help a man regain custody of his son (or at least visits with him, for the love of god!). I have helped him begin to empower himself, and pointed out some laws that were violated in getting him to sign a coercive statement voiding his rights.

That speaks very well for you.

There are many women who are advocating for men's rights. Because YOU don't know them, doesn't negate them.

Such women are not prominent, however. I specifically asked about PROMINENT women, by which I meant legislators or those who enjoy a national voice. I don't pretend to know every single person on the face of the planet; I am sure there are decent women who see what is going on. But as a rule, one does not hear from them in a cultural sense.

And as I've already pointed out, there are plenty of women willing and ready to admit the misandry that exists.


So why all the flack when a thread is created to discuss it?

The worst problem, though, is that there are far too many of your own counterparts--men--who want to take away the rights of women and blame women having rights for everything that's wrong with society as if society was perfect until women gained rights.

This is a figment of your imagination. No reasonable person, male or female, is advocating anything of the kind. You just make these sweeping accusations--Oh, you want us to go back to being barefoot and pregnant!--and then you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

You are making yourself look like an asshole, and an idiot to boot,

Your inability to express an opinion without resorting to profanity and childish name calling isn't doing much for your image, either.

by claiming ZERO women advocate for men's rights.

Once again, I was referring SPECIFICALLY to those with a a national voice. It was MALE LEGISLATORS who changed the laws; where are the FEMALE LEGISLATORS of today working towards those same ends for men? Accusing me of claiming that not a single woman exists anywhere who advocates for men's rights is just asinine; there are several videos IN THIS THREAD of a woman doing so.Try not to let your desire to be right run away with your ability to understand the point another is making.

In large part, many of us women feel that things such as men having the right to be around their children is ALSO about children's rights. And we will fight for both, because IT IS RIGHT, despite how much absolute LOATHING and TOTAL SHIT we take from men on a daily basis.

Where is the loathing? You admit that misandry exists; how is that loathing? Some white people join the KKK, does that mean that ALL white people are racists? Some men beat up gays, does that mean that ALL men are homophobes?

Stop smearing us all with the same brush. If you can't be fair at least spare us the martyr routine.


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Feminism is a destroyer of Nations. It holds up one gender over another. It denigrates half the population. ( men) It inherently means men are not giving up enough, it is saying that women must change the way they think because " men" have failed to give equal consideration to women, So these women have to take up a philosophy unto their own.

Feminism is the opposite of equal rights. Feminist promote the image that men are less than women.

I fail to see how you cant understand this. And yes... that attitude destroys families, cities and eventually nations. In my opinion, women are the ultimate losers in this thought process.
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It does not destroy nations to give women rights. Women having rights does not denigrate men. It is beyond absurd and it is completely intellectually dishonest that you would even say so.

You explain to us all how preventing one half of the population from having the same rights as the others, isn't denigration of that half.

Feminism is about women's rights. This other abomination that people now call "feminism" is not true feminism. Feminism is about women being able to live their lives without being sold like cattle. The right to own property and have their own bank accounts.

The right to have a life even if she isn't married. The right to support herself.

Feminism doesn't promote anything except the right of women to own themselves. Why is it that you are not intelligent enough to see that what is truly denigrating is when one half of the population gets to own themselves, PLUS own the other half, PLUS own the children.

How can you be so blind that you cannot recognize how truly abused so many women were?

Have you ever honestly, really sat down and thought about life from a woman's perspective in these "glorious" times when they were cattle?

Young girls put into "homes" to hide "unwanted" pregnancies and their babies (that many of them loved and wanted) sold to the highest bidder to hide their "shame". How the fuck does this not harm everyone?

Young girls sold to the highest bidder by her father, because she's just property. How does this not denigrate everyone?

You are taking the total bullshit that feminazis hide behind and coloring true feminism with that ugly brush.

If you want to have honest discussions about this, then you will stop doing that. You will stop tying misandry together to true feminism and have honest discussions.

But I wonder if you can.

I would say that you cannot. Because you do not have any compassion for the suffering that women experienced at the hands of men. All you want to see is that some weren't unhappy... and because of that, ALL women should be at the total control of men once more.

You don't want balance, you want control. You don't want women to have rights. You aren't focused on ending misandry at all. You want to take away from women, because you believe that the only way to "restore" men is to TAKE AWAY from women. To own and control them once more.

This thread isn't about women's rights. And women having rights doesn't destroy societies. MEN DESTROY SOCIETIES. Their systems of law, and government, and money... these are MAN INVENTIONS, and they are the ruin of nations.

Stop blaming women, and stop trying to own and control women.

It never occurs to men to actually have partnerships. It's so often about who's the boss... who owns who... who controls who...

Women didn't invent money, honey.

Women didn't invent government brutes to 'control' the populace.

The men in this thread are in a rush to point out how there are supposedly no women scientists, engineers, etc.

But how many women politicians have sent our husbands and sons to war? How many women have designed war machines intended to butcher and slaughter millions?

It's funny how you men are in such a rush to claim all the good of society, but you are first to divorce yourself from the blame for the bad. Men have kept women enslaved for century after century after century... but you fuckers still want to blame us for every ill in society.

Wake the fuck up.

If you want to have an honest discussion, then do so. Until then, you're just yet another whiny asshole who wants to own and control other people... and unless you do, you are being DENIGRATED. Not because you're being denigrated--that's incidental. No, you're DENIGRATED because you can't own another person.

Such utter bullshit.
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You are making yourself look like an asshole, and an idiot to boot, by claiming ZERO women advocate for men's rights.
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Now it is men who are saying things have gotten out of whack. But women have no interest in changing the status quo. They seem content to let things drift along as they are. Can anyone name a single prominent (i.e. nationally heard) female voice crying out against misandry? Just one?

No, neither can I.


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You're right about one thing.

One of the people in this thread is making themselves look like an idiot.
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You are making yourself look like an asshole, and an idiot to boot, by claiming ZERO women advocate for men's rights.
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Now it is men who are saying things have gotten out of whack. But women have no interest in changing the status quo. They seem content to let things drift along as they are. Can anyone name a single prominent (i.e. nationally heard) female voice crying out against misandry? Just one?

No, neither can I.


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You're right about one thing.

One of the people in this thread is making themselves look like an idiot.
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You didn't say zero prominent women, you said zero women. But you also didn't say women legislators, and supposedly we were supposed to tie "zero women" to women legislators, but now it's any woman with a national voice...

Pick something and stick with it. Zero women? Zero prominent women? Zero women legislators?

If by "zero women", you actually meant "zero prominent women with a national voice" then say so. No, it's not clear from your statement that you meant zero prominent women. I can read your text... your mind, I'm not particularly interested in reading.
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Feminism is a destroyer of Nations. It holds up one gender over another. It denigrates half the population. ( men) It inherently means men are not giving up enough, it is saying that women must change the way they think because " men" have failed to give equal consideration to women, So these women have to take up a philosophy unto their own.

Feminism is the opposite of equal rights. Feminist promote the image that men are less than women.

I fail to see how you cant understand this. And yes... that attitude destroys families, cities and eventually nations. In my opinion, women are the ultimate losers in this thought process.
 Quoting: Sivaro


It does not destroy nations to give women rights. Women having rights does not denigrate men. It is beyond absurd and it is completely intellectually dishonest that you would even say so.

You explain to us all how preventing one half of the population from having the same rights as the others, isn't denigration of that half.

Feminism is about women's rights. This other abomination that people now call "feminism" is not true feminism. Feminism is about women being able to live their lives without being sold like cattle. The right to own property and have their own bank accounts.

The right to have a life even if she isn't married. The right to support herself.

Feminism doesn't promote anything except the right of women to own themselves. Why is it that you are not intelligent enough to see that what is truly denigrating is when one half of the population gets to own themselves, PLUS own the other half, PLUS own the children.

How can you be so blind that you cannot recognize how truly abused so many women were?

Have you ever honestly, really sat down and thought about life from a woman's perspective in these "glorious" times when they were cattle?

Young girls put into "homes" to hide "unwanted" pregnancies and their babies (that many of them loved and wanted) sold to the highest bidder to hide their "shame". How the fuck does this not harm everyone?

Young girls sold to the highest bidder by her father, because she's just property. How does this not denigrate everyone?

You are taking the total bullshit that feminazis hide behind and coloring true feminism with that ugly brush.

If you want to have honest discussions about this, then you will stop doing that. You will stop tying misandry together to true feminism and have honest discussions.

But I wonder if you can.

I would say that you cannot. Because you do not have any compassion for the suffering that women experienced at the hands of men. All you want to see is that some weren't unhappy... and because of that, ALL women should be at the total control of men once more.

You don't want balance, you want control. You don't want women to have rights. You aren't focused on ending misandry at all. You want to take away from women, because you believe that the only way to "restore" men is to TAKE AWAY from women. To own and control them once more.

This thread isn't about women's rights. And women having rights doesn't destroy societies. MEN DESTROY SOCIETIES. Their systems of law, and government, and money... these are MAN INVENTIONS, and they are the ruin of nations.

Stop blaming women, and stop trying to own and control women.

It never occurs to men to actually have partnerships. It's so often about who's the boss... who owns who... who controls who...

Women didn't invent money, honey.

Women didn't invent government brutes to 'control' the populace.

The men in this thread are in a rush to point out how there are supposedly no women scientists, engineers, etc.

But how many women politicians have sent our husbands and sons to war? How many women have designed war machines intended to butcher and slaughter millions?

It's funny how you men are in such a rush to claim all the good of society, but you are first to divorce yourself from the blame for the bad. Men have kept women enslaved for century after century after century... but you fuckers still want to blame us for every ill in society.

Wake the fuck up.

If you want to have an honest discussion, then do so. Until then, you're just yet another whiny asshole who wants to own and control other people... and unless you do, you are being DENIGRATED. Not because you're being denigrated--that's incidental. No, you're DENIGRATED because you can't own another person.

Such utter bullshit.
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Women are parasitic walking wombs who live to fuck, get preg and bloodsuck men. Go kil yourself.
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Feminism and the NWO wanted to pit women agaisnt men so it would De-Masculate the Male Species and turn women into objects of sexual lust not worthy other than sexual objects and slaves to the NWO..


This was all planned to weaken the Nations...
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You didn't say zero prominent women, you said zero women. But you also didn't say women legislators, and supposedly we were supposed to tie "zero women" to women legislators, but now it's any woman with a national voice...

Pick something and stick with it. Zero women? Zero prominent women? Zero women legislators?

If by "zero women", you actually meant "zero prominent women with a national voice" then say so. No, it's not clear from your statement that you meant zero prominent women. I can read your text... your mind, I'm not particularly interested in reading.
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Gentlemen, I have broken my own rule.cool2

I have allowed this zealot to engage me in conversation. You can easily see there's no reasoning with this person. She doesn't care about truth; she only cares about BEING RIGHT.

For the rest of the ladies reading the thread, SadiT is why we lump Feminism in with misandry. Because they cannot be reasoned with. because they cannot be fair minded. Because they are foul mouthed and intellectually dishonest.

Let me be clear: I have no interest in rolling back women's rights. The feminist movement has been unbelievably detrimental to our society, but that has nothing to do with 'rights' as we understand it to mean protection under the law.

Hell, if a woman is willing to support me--pay all the bills, provide me with disposable income and a place to live--then oppress me! Oppress me today! I can't wait for that kind of oppression!

No, women can have their rights. I don't care. And as for misogyny--yes, that exists as well. But it's irrelevant to my point, which is this--Misandry is real. It's unfair. it's no better, morally speaking, than racism or homophobia or any number of equally dark and hateful attitudes.

If we can agree that misandry exists then maybe we can begin to destroy its stranglehold on our society.

Is that such a radical idea?

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