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Misandry -Why Men Don't Exist

 
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Because the male members among TPTB don't want woman to be able to be themselves they require that woman fulfill their caregiver role.

Otherwise they become a threat to them maintaining power.

How do you think Men have been able to maintain power for so long.

It's not because of luck or freedom of choice. It's through strategic methods of control operating mostly covertly in society.
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How would a woman be a threat to them maintaining power? I don't follow.
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My belief is that women give more to society per calorie than men do.. its like with lions .. the females do all the work hunting, but the male lion rules, is quite lazy, and guards the territory. Of course it would be an illusion to say that the male or female lions are more useful - both live cruel existences inherent in their own natures.

As for my own personal choice of charity, if I sponsor a female child I am convinced statistically that everything they are schooled in will be taught to their children and to generations - as opposed to teaching a male child and having it go no further than their own work-life... hence my sexist bias in charity...

As for as males go, i remember reading a book by Sam Keen when I was a teenager called "Fire in the Belly"... I used to quote the following to a lot of downtrodden males in the gutters of civilization with no father figures to look up, if not to follow this epitaph myself:

"A man is not someone who dominates other people in society, through relationships of domination and subordination. A man is someone who is a pillar in their community, who gives, and provides for all." (paraphrase; Supra)

My own personal views on men, albeit, is that statistically they are mostly cheap, selfish, self-loathers, high on rock'n roll barbituate tranquilizers... and if you forgive the irony of my words, maybe that's just how society socially constructed them with the half glazed look...

I'm not saying women are better. But i am saying that statistically I believe they give a lot more to our overall well-being, even when woman an average earn less money..

On the other hand, I think men are vital and important to society. But I think its up to men themselves to put a price on their own heads and prove their worth, way beyond their greater earning potential....

Besides the last thing i want to do in addressing an adult is to be so gullible and infantile to as reduce them to a categorical imperative of male or female. I think we can hopefully be so much more than that, in transcending what a penis or a vagina can dictate for an adult personality. It only shocks me that so little do..
 Quoting: Sugar Duck


This is all over the place so I'm just going to throw a flag rather than argue. :)
Does not compute, albeit. ;)

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Statistically, Sugar Duck, it seems like you used an online translator?

j/k
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Because the male members among TPTB don't want woman to be able to be themselves they require that woman fulfill their caregiver role.

Otherwise they become a threat to them maintaining power.

How do you think Men have been able to maintain power for so long.

It's not because of luck or freedom of choice. It's through strategic methods of control operating mostly covertly in society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9401994


How would a woman be a threat to them maintaining power? I don't follow.
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They wouldn't. A female is nothing to them. tptb created feminism to destabilize society.
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I totally support Feminism of the 70's but not the BS above!
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My belief is that women give more to society per calorie than men do.. its like with lions .. the females do all the work hunting, but the male lion rules, is quite lazy, and guards the territory. Of course it would be an illusion to say that the male or female lions are more useful - both live cruel existences inherent in their own natures.

As for my own personal choice of charity, if I sponsor a female child I am convinced statistically that everything they are schooled in will be taught to their children and to generations - as opposed to teaching a male child and having it go no further than their own work-life... hence my sexist bias in charity...

As for as males go, i remember reading a book by Sam Keen when I was a teenager called "Fire in the Belly"... I used to quote the following to a lot of downtrodden males in the gutters of civilization with no father figures to look up, if not to follow this epitaph myself:

"A man is not someone who dominates other people in society, through relationships of domination and subordination. A man is someone who is a pillar in their community, who gives, and provides for all." (paraphrase; Supra)

My own personal views on men, albeit, is that statistically they are mostly cheap, selfish, self-loathers, high on rock'n roll barbituate tranquilizers... and if you forgive the irony of my words, maybe that's just how society socially constructed them with the half glazed look...

I'm not saying women are better. But i am saying that statistically I believe they give a lot more to our overall well-being, even when woman an average earn less money..

On the other hand, I think men are vital and important to society. But I think its up to men themselves to put a price on their own heads and prove their worth, way beyond their greater earning potential....

Besides the last thing i want to do in addressing an adult is to be so gullible and infantile to as reduce them to a categorical imperative of male or female. I think we can hopefully be so much more than that, in transcending what a penis or a vagina can dictate for an adult personality. It only shocks me that so little do..
 Quoting: Sugar Duck


This is all over the place so I'm just going to throw a flag rather than argue. :)
Does not compute, albeit. ;)

bsflag
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I know people just like you!
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Statistically, Sugar Duck, it seems like you used an online translator?

j/k
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Here's the online translator version:

1. My belief is that women give more to society per calorie than men do (based on statistical data that is enforced by domestic violence).

2. it would be an illusion to say that the male or female are more useful - both live cruel existences inherent in their own natures. (based on sexist categorizations)

3. if I sponsor a female child I am convinced statistically that everything they are schooled in will be taught to their children and to generations - as opposed to teaching a male child and having it go no further than their own work-life... hence my sexist bias in charity... (based on sexual apartheid)

4. read a book by Sam Keen when I was a teenager called "Fire in the Belly" [link to books.google.ca] I used to quote this epitaph myself:

"A man is not someone who dominates other people in society, through relationships of domination and subordination. A man is someone who is a pillar in their community, who gives, and provides for all." (paraphrase; Supra)

THE SAME THING COULD BE SAID OF WOMEN!!! LOL

5. the last thing i want to do in addressing an adult is to be so gullible and infantile to as reduce them to a categorical imperative of male or female, like it somehow mattered when changing their diapers as a baby.

6. reducing people to sexual categories is like insultingly reducing people to black and white prejudices - its sexual apartheid.

7. Live and be free! Male and female sex stereotypical roles are just the Churches & the States way of keeping you all as reproductive slaves..

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Ya women have a hard time connecting dots. It takes them a long time to wake up if they ever do. But in the end when they are old hags and are stuffed in an old folks home nobody gives a shit about them either.
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violin


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Watch how casually this kunt discusses the destruction of men in this society, to a bunch of giddy, brain-wiped feminazi's.

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OOPS! Wrong video... THAT woman is actually AWAKE.

THIS is the video I was talking about, with the brain-wiped kunt:

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Ya women have a hard time connecting dots. It takes them a long time to wake up if they ever do. But in the end when they are old hags and are stuffed in an old folks home nobody gives a shit about them either.
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violin


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The violin treatment is exactly what men need to start giving WOMEN.

P.S. - You're an idiot. A woman, of course.
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Ya women have a hard time connecting dots. It takes them a long time to wake up if they ever do. But in the end when they are old hags and are stuffed in an old folks home nobody gives a shit about them either.
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violin


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lols.

I have been in this situation since 29. But at least I know that most people don't give a shit about anyone except themselves.

Especially men.

So it's no great loss. I look at it this way I can't be used anymore because I have nothing that anybody wants. =)
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Some Margaret Mead et al...

This is a good introduction to "Social Constructionism"
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I am female and I will only be touched by male male gynos.
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Female/Male....We are BEINGS. Polar opposites when in the physical body..thanks to hormones. This planet has been run by the male aspect for too long now...and where has this got us? War, mostly. I am not saying that now we should switch to the polar opposite, the female. That just going from one extreme to another. There must be a balance. The altered ego of each..male and female, doesnt like balance...the altered ego is more interested in what is "right". (from their point of view...) We MUST, as BEINGS...not male or female, come to a balance and respect for eachother. The same thing goes for race to race, country to country, civilisation to civilisation.
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
~Calvin & Hobbs~
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Ya women have a hard time connecting dots. It takes them a long time to wake up if they ever do. But in the end when they are old hags and are stuffed in an old folks home nobody gives a shit about them either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 968792


violin


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The violin treatment is exactly what men need to start giving WOMEN.

P.S. - You're an idiot. A woman, of course.
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And they're trying to blame feminism....1rof1...just listen to yourself. Guys like you did this to yourselves. Pathetic....
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Ya women have a hard time connecting dots. It takes them a long time to wake up if they ever do. But in the end when they are old hags and are stuffed in an old folks home nobody gives a shit about them either.
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violin


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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1868091




The violin treatment is exactly what men need to start giving WOMEN.

P.S. - You're an idiot. A woman, of course.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9467036


And they're trying to blame feminism....1rof1...just listen to yourself. Guys like you did this to yourselves. Pathetic....
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It's like one guy i knew who went through a divorce for beating his wife.. after his kids wouldn't even talk to him... he later went through life wondering what he did wrong...

Patriarchy does have a lot to answer for....

Albeit, how can you blame an individual males for merely being born with a penis? It's kinda silly...

And now that woman r getting their taste of being bosses too, is it too much to think we are any better much of the time? We can be abusive too... no doubt..

dicks and vaginas.. whatever..
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Men exist... Just ask any woman who has to clean up around the toilet after their significant other has sprayed, splashed and missed the very thing they were allegedly aiming at...

lolsign

And I'm a male... sit down you are rotten shots!

lolsign
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Female/Male....We are BEINGS. Polar opposites when in the physical body..thanks to hormones. This planet has been run by the male aspect for too long now...and where has this got us? War, mostly. I am not saying that now we should switch to the polar opposite, the female. That just going from one extreme to another. There must be a balance. The altered ego of each..male and female, doesnt like balance...the altered ego is more interested in what is "right". (from their point of view...) We MUST, as BEINGS...not male or female, come to a balance and respect for eachother. The same thing goes for race to race, country to country, civilisation to civilisation.
 Quoting: Zephyr2


Problem being, smart people already know this, for the most part. And the manipulation just gets the pendulum swinging too fast, then the backlash happens. Celebrating anyone more than anyone else nowadays is futile. Like I say with the intergeneration intimacy bullshit, it makes me think that one day soon we will have to put up with animal-fucker pride parades. If people are people, let them fall where they may. Let's not prop up the weak, let's let the strong of mind thrive. Man or woman, we've been help down by political correctness for far too long and times has come where there must be the shift back to a more natural. Minds have been expanded, but now they have to be reeled in. Then respect will come around.
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Wake up! It's not about having a penis or vagina. You are a spirit...a being...first and foremost. Stop thinking from your hormones and start thinking from your beingness.
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help down = held down
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And they're trying to blame feminism....1rof1...just listen to yourself. Guys like you did this to yourselves. Pathetic....
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Did what? Ruined women? Guys ruined women is what you're saying? If that IS what you're saying, then what gives guys more power over the woman than the woman herself. Is it her needs? Did you mean its pathetic that women are so needy, or that women's needs are pathetic? I don't think it applies too all. You seem to be proving our case. Maybe you should let Zephyr fight your battles, he/she is much better at it.
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Female/Male....We are BEINGS. Polar opposites when in the physical body..thanks to hormones. This planet has been run by the male aspect for too long now...and where has this got us? War, mostly. I am not saying that now we should switch to the polar opposite, the female. That just going from one extreme to another. There must be a balance. The altered ego of each..male and female, doesnt like balance...the altered ego is more interested in what is "right". (from their point of view...) We MUST, as BEINGS...not male or female, come to a balance and respect for eachother. The same thing goes for race to race, country to country, civilisation to civilisation.
 Quoting: Zephyr2


Problem being, smart people already know this, for the most part. And the manipulation just gets the pendulum swinging too fast, then the backlash happens. Celebrating anyone more than anyone else nowadays is futile. Like I say with the intergeneration intimacy bullshit, it makes me think that one day soon we will have to put up with animal-fucker pride parades. If people are people, let them fall where they may. Let's not prop up the weak, let's let the strong of mind thrive. Man or woman, we've been help down by political correctness for far too long and times has come where there must be the shift back to a more natural. Minds have been expanded, but now they have to be reeled in. Then respect will come around.
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I subscribe to a basic biological tenent for social system, which Murray Bookchin mostly promotes:

1. Ecologies with few organisms are more fragile and parasitic.

2. Diverse ecologies are stronger and more symbiotic.

3. Human social ecologies are more parasitic the less variety there is, and stronger and more symbiotic the more social diversity there is...

Go figure... And he does mean this in term of gender relations, etc..

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As soon as you "resist"...you create the opposing force of "resistance". This is the epitome of polar opposites...or binary mind.
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The violin treatment is exactly what men need to start giving WOMEN.

P.S. - You're an idiot. A woman, of course.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9467036


And they're trying to blame feminism....1rof1...just listen to yourself. Guys like you did this to yourselves. Pathetic....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1868091


It's like one guy i knew who went through a divorce for beating his wife.. after his kids wouldn't even talk to him... he later went through life wondering what he did wrong...

Patriarchy does have a lot to answer for....

Albeit, how can you blame an individual males for merely being born with a penis? It's kinda silly...

And now that woman r getting their taste of being bosses too, is it too much to think we are any better much of the time? We can be abusive too... no doubt..

dicks and vaginas.. whatever..
 Quoting: Sugar Duck


You're right, it all comes down to the individual person and their consideration of others... the Golden Rule. But women did not do this to men. When a man allows and expects a women to do everything for herself...after a while the woman realizes she doesn't need him around.
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I just don't understand men who want submissive, "self-sacrificing" women to worship and pander them.

I'm a happily married man. In the 30 years I've run my own technical consulting business, I've watched with pride as my wife has built her own career. She's a strong-willed, sharp-tongued and intelligent woman - a real warrior who doesn't take crap from me or anyone else.

I'm damn smart. I consult R&D companies on advanced alloys, nanotubes and other exotic materials, but she's at least my equal. Sometimes her keen mind and ability to see through bullshit scares me, but most of the time it just makes me love her even more.

If I want a meal after 10 hours at work, I don't expect her to cater me. I'm a grown man - I can feed myself or survive a day without food. But when she does cook, I know it's out of love and not because of sense of duty.

When I'm down and feeling like I'm collapsing under stress and work, she's there for me, because she knows what it is like. Instead of telling me frivolous nonsense like how she'll love me even if I fail, she rallies me: "On your feet soldier! Failure is not an option, you know."

In a similar fashion, she doesn't expect me to cook or clean for her. We are equals and serve and support each other out of love, not out of duty.

There's nothing better in life than being married to a woman who's your equal. I don't see how there can be true respect and love in a marriage where one is expected to serve the other out of duty.
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Kudos to you!...your wife is a lucky woman to have a man who appreciates her the way you do.
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And they're trying to blame feminism....1rof1...just listen to yourself. Guys like you did this to yourselves. Pathetic....
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Did what? Ruined women? Guys ruined women is what you're saying? If that IS what you're saying, then what gives guys more power over the woman than the woman herself. Is it her needs? Did you mean its pathetic that women are so needy, or that women's needs are pathetic? I don't think it applies too all. You seem to be proving our case. Maybe you should let Zephyr fight your battles, he/she is much better at it.
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No...the video blamed Feminism for men being the way they are today. Watch the video. I was responding to the jerk who was calling me names and assuming I was a woman.
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When it comes to gender relations i like Murray Bookchin's analysis of social ecologies... It goes something like this:

1. The less diversity an ecology has the more parasitic and fragile it becomes.

2. The more diverse an ecology the more symbiotic and stronger it becomes.

3. In terms of human social diversity, the more diverse it becomes the stronger and more symbiotic it becomes. In contrast, the less social diversity, the more parasitic it becomes.



His book "The Ecology of Freedom" is a fav of mine.

Although i do believe a biological determinist viewpoint that is mostly unconscious (the reptilian brain, hormones, etc), for the most part I think gender relations are mostly socially constructed, and more dynamic transculturally than any fascist notion that gender relations are meant to somehow be handed down to us from above.
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Us men Die 5-8 years earlier on average than women. Were are all the doctors, and pledges to help our cause?

We dont have a " Breast cancer awareness" day.

Hell we dont have anything, nobody cares about men as human beings. We are Paychecks, unfeeling warriors, builders. But not... PEOPLE.

The video truly is just a small taste of what life really is like for the males in this world. I cant remember the last time a women treated me like a human, and not a potential gravy train or work slave.
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My thoughts exactly! It's a worldwide phenomenon I assure you.

On one hand women are programmed, on the other hand even the "intelligent"
ones talk high but act like animals. Now I'm not gonna defend men as most think
with their dicks, but men CAN be convinced through reasonable arguments and
logic. Women - NEVER! They would cover their ears and go LALALA.
You might say - Ah, but men have the advantage of 6x more logic brainmatter.
I've TRIED this argument, it is conveniently ignored or makes them more angry.

Woman the victim, man the evildoer. Apply to any situation.
I've worked in a dozen places and where men can be nasty, there is NOTHING,
absolutely NOTHING worse than a workplace dominated by women. Backstabbing,
gossip, slander, mobbing, sucking up to the boss etc is at least x4 what you
would get among men. They cease their hostilities only when a man is around.
Then they're suddenly united in hatred againts the common enemy.

One poster quoted Henry Makow. His website is an excellent eye-opener for
anyone who haven't lost the magic ability of reading multiple lines of text.
For more video-minded there's websites manwomanmyth and antiwhitemedia.

Any woman offended by my post please move to a deserted island with other
women and report after a month to us how great you are all doing.
Of course you can't take anything man-made or man-invented because men
are despicable. Take as much rad and polon as you like.
Can't wait to hear from the true feminist paradise!

And to you Sugar Duck, you self-righteous pride woman. You live on a
platform of prosperity created for you by men. Your house, your office,
the streets or railway you use to get to work every day, also the car
or train, the PC you've used to spread your nonsense, all these things
had probably less than 1% of female input. The minerals for the PC were
mined by men, the technology invented by men, maybe some components were
put together by a female labourer, but even that is being phased out by
man-invented robotics.

When women cook or go to work or look after children they are always so
FUCKING HEROES to do these things. When men do the same it's nothing.
The cat who can use keyboard.





GLP