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lmao

Can you say "sealed indictments"???

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[link to www.nydailynews.com]
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Leaker! The man
they call Bush´s Brain

Rove not out of trouble as new grand jury may convene

BY JAMES GORDON MEEK
and RICHARD SISK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU


Karl Rove

WASHINGTON - White House political director Karl Rove was identified yesterday as the shadowy official who blew the cover of CIA agent Valerie Plame.
Rove, dubbed "Bush´s Brain" for his political genius, was not indicted for his role in the leak and subsequent coverup.

Instead, special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald indicted Vice President Cheney´s chief of staff Lewis (Scooter) Libby on five counts of lying to federal officials and a grand jury.

The closest Fitzgerald came to identifying the leaker is a press release that says "senior White House official (´Official A´)" gave Plame´s name to columnist Robert Novak, who promptly printed it.

At a news conference, Fitzgerald declined to name "Official A," but several sources close to the case told the Daily News it was Rove.



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The Bush administration on the Valerie Plame leak:


"If anyone in this administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this administration." White House press secretary

Scott McClellan, Sept. 29, 2003


"If somebody did leak classified information, I´d like to know it, and we´ll take the appropriate action. "
President Bush, Sept. 30, 2003


"If somebody committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration."
President Bush, July 18, 2005
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An attorney´s posted information on sealed indictments as related to the CIA leak case from another blog.

[link to www.thewashingtonnote.com]

I am a lawyer and can tell you that "sealed" indictments can mean a number of things - especially in this case.

Often times the indictments are, in fact, "un-sealed" , i.e, made public, upon the arrest and arraignment of the person named in the indictment. But they don´t have to be.

Remember that this grand jury expires this friday. So unless Fitzgerald wants to empanel a new grand jury he needs to hand down indictments by then. If there are sealed indictments handed down by the grand jury in this case I would wager one of two things (that have already been reported by others, by the way): Either some of those that are to be indicted are working on plea/cooperation deals with Fitzgerald currently and by sealing the indictments he is allowing them to negotiate some sort of deal and then will dismiss the indictments against them. This may mean that the public never hears the extent of such person´s complicity.

In the alternative, Fitzgerald may be planning on empaneling another grand jury to buy him time to further investigate matters and is only handing down the indictments he knows he can get from this grand jury at this time. This would allow him to empanel another grand jury without publically releasing the details of the indictments handed down by the expiring grand jury.

Of course the most-likely scenario is that the prosecutor perhaps did not want to deliver the so-called "target letters" (he is not required to do so) because of the over-whelming amount of leaks that have been occuring recently and is just sealing the indictments in order to give himself time to give those named in the indictments notice thereof. Given the magnitude of the case and the press coverage related to it I wouldn´t be at all surprised if this last scenario is the one that plays out. Fitzgerald seems like the type of guy who would be diplomatic and courteous in delivering the news to those indicted in order to possibly allow them to avoid the press frenzy that would ensue if he filed unsealed indictments.

But never fear........ if sealed indictments are handed down the leaks will come even more fast and furious.

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woohoo Turdblossom, soon to be just plain turd.
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Forgive me for gloating, but this mess couldn´t be happening to more deserving people!
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Indeed, Polly. Let´s hope this is just the beginning. I wish to congratulate you on all the fine threads you have been posting in the lead up to Fitzgerald´s announcement, as well as the sophisticated way you handle the flamers and rude right-wingers. You have been a lesson for everyone here on how to deal coolly with those who are deluded to think that insult is an intellectual argument. Your excellent, well-chosen threads have helped me to keep abreast of what has been a complex case. Please keep up your fine work, Polly, as Fitzgerald continues his investigations with a new grand jury.

cheer Pollyannuh cheer
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Thank you, A.C. 6682.

I believe it is extremely important that current issues be seen in the light of a media other than that of a newspaper, television or radio.

Sadly, the mainstream media is part of the problem in that the truth, or shall we say, different perspectives of the truth is rarely read, seen, or heard. Via the internet, we can access the "news" and discern for ourselves exactly what is the real story.

Your encouragement is much appreciated, A.C.

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Loads of encouragement from me Polly, thanks for keeping us informed!!!flower
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Awww, Divinity!

Thank you, so much!

hugs to you, too!
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I am a real no where man
thinking of my no where plan
for no body.
I don´t have a point of view
know not where I´m going to; isn´t
that a bit like some of us.

But one thing I do know for sure...
Instant Karma gonna get them...
Just wait and see ufo56

Hi Polly hi I sympathize with you
and the dilemma that we must overcome
before life blossoms

hf
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What´s with this "as new grand jury convenes" business? Fibber.
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It´s not over; in fact, it has barely begun.

St. Germain 10.29.05

For some the victory celebrations after the indictment have been muted. You expected a more far reaching result and there is some disappointment amongst you. These concerns are unnecessary, as the important step has been made and following the indictment of Scooter Libby, Bush and his Administration are weakened and it shall be the last brick out of the wall that will cause it to tumble. (note he said the last brick, not the first)

Bear in mind that Patrick Fitzgerald was chosen to carry out an enquiry because he was the best one to do it. All through his two years of investigations he was guided and led to make the decisions that would eventually result in wide scale Government changes. There are others working without publicity who are members of the Light, and their efforts are also helping to set the stage for their final collapse. A lot of hard work has been put into providing the groundwork that will ensure success.

You by no means know all of what is taking place and it is not prudent to mention it. It is sufficient to say that everything proceeds in an orderly manner and in accordance with our goals. Look ahead and recall how many times we have told you that total victory is already yours. What has just happened is only one of many approaches that are being carried out to fulfill the plan. Nothing that happens on Earth can alter the outcome, regardless of which way the pendulum swings. The changes have been divinely decreed and all we ask is that you continue to have faith in us and our allies upon Earth.

The battle between the Light and dark is very much like a chess match. The game has been going on for along time, and we can see the whole board, whereas you see across only one line. We see that check mate is about to be called, and no matter what moves are made by the dark they are being driven into a corner. There is no escape and they will soon have to accept their inevitable defeat.

Dear Ones, do not let your heads drop, so much has been achieved over the last few years. You have been presented with situations that have challenged you to sit by or take action. You have been exposed to the most heinous acts of the dark, and you responded rather than allow the total collapse of Humanity. Do you realize how near you came to being completely exterminated, through the madness of the Illuminati plans for world domination? We have helped you avoid many catastrophes, but in the final reckoning it is you who have to stand up and bring the Light to Earth. You still have much to do and we are with you, and you have nothing at all to fear.

We may not address the subject of NESARA in the same way as when the announcement was being planned. However, it is very much in the forefront of our plans and abundance shall be the top of the list. You are beginning to see that justice can be achieved, but with NESARA it will be returned according to The Constitution in its original concept. Indeed it will be taken further so as to reflect the new period you are entering, and the changes that will also see your freedom and sovereignty returned. The knowledge of NESARA has spread far and wide in the years that have elapsed since it first came into law, and it has helped ground the idea amongst you.

The time has arrived when the dark will be forced to concede that their time is up. We will not tolerate any further action to exacerbate the situation on Earth. Of course we know the aims of the dark are to escalate the war in the Middle East , and we see the potential of another World War if they are not stopped. Do not worry, we have the authority of the Spiritual Hierarchy to intervene and this will not be allowed to develop.

Every step the dark now take is opening them up to the World, and people are seeing exactly what they are attempting to do. Gone has their ability to carry out their covert operations without you suspecting what they are up to. They are now without a true leader and breaking up into fragments that are at odds with each other. You may not see what goes on behind the scenes, but we do and the dark are in a state of panic not knowing which way to turn.

All that is required of you at present is to keep shining your Light wherever it is required. Bring calmness to others as when events unfold it will be an unsettling time for many people. Share your knowledge with others, but do not overwhelm them as it may do more harm than good. Even now there are many people who disbelieve that the Master’s can so easily contact you on Earth. Channeling in any form is considered the work of evil entities, and there is much re-education needed.

The indictment was a hard earned victory, and it will herald a whole series of happenings that shall carry you forward. There will be no stopping this progress and you shall see how quickly things will now develop. The dark may be getting all of the attention and publicity but without it how would you gauge how far matters have reached. As Lightworkers we look to you to firmly hold the Light and lessen the effects of those actions of the dark that are calculated to instill fear in everyone. This is the greatest service you can perform on behalf of Humanity at this important time.

I am St. Germain and tell you the Light Forces are as active as ever both on and off Earth. First Contact edges a little bit closer and the final act has already started. Keep your sight on the winning line, we are nearly there. Take heart from all of the Love that continues to reach you, and retire into its comfort and re-assurance that all is well.

Thank you St. Germain.
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Polly-

Keep on wishin! Thought this was going to take down the WHOLE admin????

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but will anyone be found guilty of a crime?

and will anybody be held responsible for this waste of effort, if no one is found guilty of a crime?
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also isnt there always a grand jury assembled when the previous jury members have served their duty?
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Thank you very very much, Polly.

I know this seems like forever, but here:

This is for everyone. Merry Fitzmas.
I don´t feel anger anymore.

Honestly. I gave it up. I get a little annoyed at people who still support the lies and the fascism, but I am not angry.

Really, I´d like to just sit down with them, buy a few drinks, and talk.

What makes you guys tick so, that you don´t see the dark, dark agenda that has played out so vividly for the last five years...

It is as though you don´t even see the dead and dying, the suffering and misery, the poverty and hunger, the lies upon lies upon lies. I could not have imagined such a beautifully evil and corrupt thing as this current president.
And all of those who control him.

This is the HAPPY day!

The lies are being exposed, and the wrong are being caught.

Fitzgerald, who is a strangely absent topic/person on the forum tonight (suprise!) is slaying the Hydra.

He is freeing us from tyrany.

Thank you, Patrick.

You noble soul.

I celebrate, even if many of you do not.

And with great joy. And Light.

I am sparkling, I am so happy. Bless you all.

Come on, guys. Come on, ladies. Recognize a sweet, beautiful, natural restoration of light for what it is.

The pendulum has swung, is swinging now, speeding up....

Faster and faster, faster we go, and soon we will look back and say "did those changes happen so fast?"

"what happened? I feel as though I have just awaken."

And you will be so happy.

As you should be. As is your right.

Prepare for your rights to be restored. You don´t even know how bad we have it right now.

You think our lives are so great, but where is the Love????

It is absent. It is mightily overshadowed by the fear, the anger, the hate. The instinctive reflex to swing at anyone who gets too close...

A defense mechanism we all developed to survive, for the pain is immense and vast here now. But it is about to end. We can lose those painful and sad defenses so soon...

Just a little longer, Dear hearts.

I know you hurt. I Know.

Be strong, and have a little love.

Have a little trust.

I know you weep inside, secretly.

I do too, sometimes. It´s so sad, the hurt we have to endure. the loneliness.

I embrace you. All of you. With my Light, and in the absolute spirit of joy.

You will be embraced by so very many. When you turn around and realize how many friends you truely have.

Peace, Friends.
David.
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Hello, NoWhere Man!

Just as we work with the remains of our garden, tilling the spent and dead refuse under so that the next garden will produce better fruits, this administration will be weeded, and then will feed the next administration´s hesitancy to pull bushchit like this one did because they´ll remember what´s happening to these guys.



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Thank you, Captain Obvious.

To the other poster regarding a "new" Grand Jury.

My understanding is that there is more than one Grand Jury seated at a time, and the reason is because there´s more than one case they can hear, if I remember correctly.

Apparently, Fitzgerald is going to use one that is already convened on another matter.
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David, that was BEAUTIFUL!!

Thank you, so much, for sharing those words from your soul.

I know I feel just a little more at ease today, because after watching Fitzgerald speak, after hearing how obviously tenacious he is, after observing how much of a perfectionist he seems to be, I´ve come to the thinking that whatever the "new" Grand Jury comes down with, that it will be the result of some pretty intense scrutiny. Whether I am personally "happy" with the results is immaterial.

I think this indictment has shaken these people to the core and after all the lies, after all the theiving of American taxpayer dollars to fund a sham war, I realize that maybe there really is no honor among theives, and they may just give each other up to protect their own skins.

Let ´em have at it.

We´ll all be watching.

I´m just glad there´s someone like Fitzgerald as prosecutor.
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DREAM ON PollyannDUH! dumbass

You are either an idiot or in total denial, which in this case is the same thing. whip

What happened to the breathtaking specter of 22
Republicans indicted... and then it was 47...

You are the biggest fool and sucker on line.

One indictment of a behind the scenes technocrat and five cheesy charges, at that.

You couldn´t get Rove now and it won´t happen in the future.

The only moron(s) you got stirred up were yourselves, few in # and fewer in collective IQ.

Now you´re going to scream for another six months about "more to come". Get a brain OR a life! You are pathetic!

gwdancegwdancegwdancegwdancebushfing
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Ancient wonton.
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Oh, Ancient One.

How terribly sorry I feel for you. Seriously. Especially if you are indeed ancient (senior citizen).

I feel sorry that you´ve gone this far though life without knowing the world around you.

I feel sorry that you have this need to attack people who have different opinions than yours rather than taking the opportunity to discuss the situation as any open minded adult would do.

I feel sorry for the pain you must be experiencing when you read the various posts about this administration and the people in it because you seem to have just bought into their message without deciphering for yourself the lies, the manipulations, the now criminal acts they fostered on us, you and me, Ancient One.

If I serve as a lightning rod for all the frustration you feel, then vent on me. I just don´t want to feel guilty over your anger because I know I´ve done nothing to you, and your anger is misdirected.

bush and his people are the ones deserving of your wrath, Ancient One.

Think about it.

flower
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A.C. V1.0, well, I read it.

And?
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PARDON me? lmao
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BROOKS: WHY ARE DEMS SO OVERHEATED?
Sat Oct 29 2005 17:15:12 ET

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald did not find evidence to prove that there was a "broad conspiracy to out a covert agent for political gain. He did not find evidence of wide-ranging criminal behavior. He did not even indict the media´s ordained villain, Karl Rove," writes David Brooks in Sunday´s NY TIMES.

"Leading Democratic politicians filled the air with grand conspiracy theories that would be at home in the John Birch Society."

"Why are these people so compulsively overheated?.. Why do they have to slather on wild, unsupported charges that do little more than make them look unhinged?

Brooks quotes from an essay written 40 years ago by Richard Hofstadter called "The Paranoid Style in American Politics."

Hofstadter argued that sometimes people who are dispossessed, who feel their country has been taken away from them and their kind, develop an angry, suspicious and conspiratorial frame of mind. It is never enough to believe their opponents have committed honest mistakes or have legitimate purposes; they insist on believing in malicious conspiracies.

"The paranoid spokesman," Hofstadter wrote, "sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms -- he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning the barricades of civilization." Because his opponents are so evil, the conspiracy monger is never content with anything but their total destruction."

Brooks summarizes: "So some Democrats were not content with Libby´s indictment, but had to stretch, distort and exaggerate. The tragic thing is that at the exact moment when the Republican Party is staggering under the weight of its own mistakes, the Democratic Party´s loudest voices are in the grip of passions that render them untrustworthy."

Developing...

















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It seems so petty to be discussing the Bush administrations´ involvement in the killing of one CIA agent, seeing it is responsible for the murder of thousands of Americans as well. What´s important to realize is thatPlame it IS a big deal, because whether one American or 10 thousand were delivered to the enemy or killed in false flag attacks, the administration is guilty of treason all the way to top, no rational person could deny realizing what has happened at this time.

Now, the only question is are we going to stop at Bush and be satisfied , or do we go after the real problem? Bush is simply a disposable lightning rod, as are all the other liars in Washignton. Those behind this must be brought to justice, impeaching Bush for treason and stopping there will simply result in his replacement with another lightning rod, and the agenda will remain the same.
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Unless and until ALL the American people realize that we´re getting a royal screwing by this administration, not by one POLITICAL party, this type of bushchit will continue.

I can´t make myself clear enough on this subject.

THEY are the ones who want to make each and every issue an R against a D. Don´t buy into it.

Instead of using that age-old "divide and conquer" tactic, try to remember it´s US against THEM.

They need to recall that they are PUBLIC SERVANTS.

Period.
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ummm,

clear light of day, folks.

All he can refer to is something written about 40 years ago???

"Why are these people so compulsively overheated?.. Why do they have to slather on wild, unsupported charges that do little more than make them look unhinged?

Brooks quotes from an essay written 40 years ago by Richard Hofstadter called "The Paranoid Style in American Politics."


This is his proof that the discussion about this is "over-heated"???

Well, the opposition MUST be doing something VERY RIGHT indeed for this to be happening.

All of their bogus claims and mud-slinging falling on NON-REACTIVE targets.

SOON, SOON, my dear friends, all of this will become OH SO CLEAR to everyone.

And, of course, just who is "paranoid." And why.





GLP