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OK SOLAR DATA ON TODAYS CME IS BEING MANIPULATED ON ACE

 
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I will continue to remove infectious posts to this thread. That is WHY I started it in part. I as a gold star member of glp do have "god like" abilities to do so.
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Shills are so boringly predictable.....you can count on them showing up when the lies of the rats are being brought out into the light.
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At a height of 3-5 RE (RE =6378 km) almost all atmospheric particles are fully ionized. At this height, the motion of charged energetic particles may be approximated by the superposition of three types of motion: gyration about the main field, bounce along field lines and azimuthal drift in rings around the Earth. The drift of charged particles in the Earth's inner magnetic field produces the so-called ring-current. This current fills a doughnut-shaped volume around the equator and produces a magnetic field at the Earth's surface which reduces the strength of the surface field. In quiet conditions, the effect of ring current on the magnetic field is negligible but during magnetic storms the intensity of the ring current increases and produces significant disturbances.

The conductivity in the ionosphere is proportional to electron density which means that particle precipitation in the ionosphere leads to high conductivity. The plasma convection in the presence of Earth's magnetic field causes an electric field. Both the enhanced conductivity and the electric field cause large currents at altitudes between 90 and 150 km. Some of the consequences of these currents are joule heating of the ionospheric plasma and changes of the geomagnetic field on the ground. These changes of the geomagnetic field create the geomagnetically induced currents in the Earth and in conductors.

The three phases of a magnetic storm are

An increase of magnetic field lasting a few hours
A large magnetic depression over an interval of several hours
A slow recovery over the following few days

The initial phase is caused by the compression of the magnetosphere on the arrival of a burst of solar plasma. The main phase is due to a large increase in the ring current energy. The decay of this current will restore the magnetic field in its initial condition.

LINK: [link to large.stanford.edu]
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I'm not too sure I understand OP

The websites I use have been quite accurate

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
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I'm not too sure I understand OP

The websites I use have been quite accurate

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
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Those yes. ACE and NICK no. Please read what I posted early in the thread. I gave the sites that were not right and the ones that were. I started looking closer because of the media shilling going on at CNN. I myself was waiting for the cme that CNN said missed us. And I had remembered looking at the goes magnetometer and seeing what was obvious, and I was thus confused by ACE and Nict.
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lighten up NIP, here:
[link to www.youtube.com]
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01/24/2012 07:12 PM
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OP you are wrong check

[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]
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I am not wrong, I started this based on reduced data on ACE and Nict which uses ACE data, and data not changed out on other sites, plus what CNN did today.

I do not have MSNBC on my TV. I am going by the leading provider of the bested news anywhere so they say, and these games usually are played thru CNN first. Plus the marked down data on ACE that matches CNNS story. There is a fox news post in this thread that also says the CME went north of us and that the auroras were just normal shit.
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I just went trough my previous thread, you were on there too ( Thread: Fasten your seat belts, the radiation is on its way. 1 hr to go. (Page 18) and just before I went to bed the data from the current CME activity was missing. There was one very nice person who took the time to explain to us, less knowledgeable, what is going on. Here is the link it could help us understand what is going on

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Ground induction off the charts.

My assumption is the absorption is getting critical, we are in the thick of the storm and the rain tarp is saturated, in simple terms.
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this looks pretty twisted now [link to www2.nict.go.jp]
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nict is NOT recieving full data, their simulation is pretty much garbage info at this point. Once it gets the ACE data it will get back to normal.

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Ground induction off the charts.

My assumption is the absorption is getting critical, we are in the thick of the storm and the rain tarp is saturated, in simple terms.
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this looks pretty twisted now [link to www2.nict.go.jp]
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nict is NOT recieving full data, their simulation is pretty much garbage info at this point. Once it gets the ACE data it will get back to normal.
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I see... you mean to say their equipment is toast?! how?
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I don't think they can get reliable data due to the proton storm. The one min plots we were looking at earlier showed corrupted data.

Not toast, just interference.

Look for his comments here Thread: Fasten your seat belts, the radiation is on its way. 1 hr to go. (Page 19)

hf
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Looking at this bigger things are yet to come
[link to sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov]
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Looking at this bigger things are yet to come
[link to sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov]
abduct
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holy xmas
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What? No doom today?
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this looks busy
[link to geomag.usgs.gov]
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Looking at this bigger things are yet to come
[link to sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov]
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Whoa!!!!
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This is a history event according to NOAA's Space Weather Prediction Center who announced Tuesday the current solar storm

[link to beta.weather.com]
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Looking at this bigger things are yet to come
[link to sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov]
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Whoa!!!!
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well a few days ago, I am not sure when, One of those blasted a cme out of the "back" of the sun on stereo.
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What? No doom today?
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did we expect any? I didn't.
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01/24/2012 07:27 PM
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I'm not too sure I understand OP

The websites I use have been quite accurate

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
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wtf


Shill Alert,,,,Shill Alert...


If you don't understand got back to the beginning of the thread. OP, this guy is just trying to throw you...
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This information comes from this thread on the page linked:

Thread: SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily) (Page 547)

After the arrival of the CME earlier today, the 10 MeV flux again increased and we were at around 6300 pfu. This is now the largest Solar Radiation Storm since October 2003. (The Halloween Storms)

Look under correction and new data:

[link to www.facebook.com]

So I looked up the Halloween solar storm of 2003 and here are a few things I found:

[link to www.spacedaily.com]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

This indeed tells me this storm is/was something to watch.

However, this information intrigued me the most, even though it was not about the 2003 storm:
[link to www.nrc.gov]
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This information comes from this thread on the page linked:

Thread: SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily) (Page 547)

After the arrival of the CME earlier today, the 10 MeV flux again increased and we were at around 6300 pfu. This is now the largest Solar Radiation Storm since October 2003. (The Halloween Storms)

Look under correction and new data:

[link to www.facebook.com]

So I looked up the Halloween solar storm of 2003 and here are a few things I found:

[link to www.spacedaily.com]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

This indeed tells me this storm is/was something to watch.

However, this information intrigued me the most, even though it was not about the 2003 storm:
[link to www.nrc.gov]
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YEP!!! Thankshf for posting!
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It's 12:30 midnight here in the UK. The skies are alot lighter and a tinge of read colour.
I've just gone outside because I heard the birds chirping as if it was dawn...

It looks like dim dawn yet it is midnight, even the birds seem to be fooled...
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[link to spaceweather.com]

says it hit and we got a G1 geomagnetic storm
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This information comes from this thread on the page linked:

Thread: SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily) (Page 547)

After the arrival of the CME earlier today, the 10 MeV flux again increased and we were at around 6300 pfu. This is now the largest Solar Radiation Storm since October 2003. (The Halloween Storms)

Look under correction and new data:

[link to www.facebook.com]

So I looked up the Halloween solar storm of 2003 and here are a few things I found:

[link to www.spacedaily.com]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

This indeed tells me this storm is/was something to watch.

However, this information intrigued me the most, even though it was not about the 2003 storm:
[link to www.nrc.gov]
 Quoting: TheOracle



YEP!!! Thankshf for posting!
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No one ever said this was a big event EXCEPT for the Proton Storm. This is what MSM is missing.... with the data being so misconstrued, the radiation storm we are in the midst of, is being lost in translation.
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It's 12:30 midnight here in the UK. The skies are alot lighter and a tinge of read colour.
I've just gone outside because I heard the birds chirping as if it was dawn...

It looks like dim dawn yet it is midnight, even the birds seem to be fooled...
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Wow, keep us posted!!!
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[link to www.facebook.com] the facebook link posted above, and you can look at image there. Which somebody also posted about here earlier.


NOAA NWS Space Weather Prediction Center
Correction and New Data.
Earlier, it was stated that the current Solar Radiation Storm was the largest since May 2005, when the 10 MeV protons exceeded over 3000 PFU. This was not correct.
At the time of the earlier post, this current Storm was the biggest since January 2005, when the 10 MeV flux was 5040 pfu. After the arrival of the CME earlier today, the 10 MeV flux again increased and we were at around 6300 pfu. This is now the largest Solar Radiation Storm since October 2003. (The Halloween Storms)

Attached is a plot of the Protons and it shows the secondary increase of 10 MeV protons as the CME arrived.
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This information comes from this thread on the page linked:

Thread: SOLAR WATCH * 312 M & 25 X FLARES starting 3-7-2011 (Updated Daily) (Page 547)

After the arrival of the CME earlier today, the 10 MeV flux again increased and we were at around 6300 pfu. This is now the largest Solar Radiation Storm since October 2003. (The Halloween Storms)

Look under correction and new data:

[link to www.facebook.com]

So I looked up the Halloween solar storm of 2003 and here are a few things I found:

[link to www.spacedaily.com]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

This indeed tells me this storm is/was something to watch.

However, this information intrigued me the most, even though it was not about the 2003 storm:
[link to www.nrc.gov]
 Quoting: TheOracle



YEP!!! Thankshf for posting!
 Quoting: Freckles


No one ever said this was a big event EXCEPT for the Proton Storm. This is what MSM is missing.... with the data being so misconstrued, the radiation storm we are in the midst of, is being lost in translation.
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I'm now wondering if more dire reports will start coming in a few days from now? hmmm.
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Looking at this bigger things are yet to come
[link to sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov]
abduct
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What a beautiful sight.I love the sun.She is full of anger waiting to pull the trigger.One last huge blast would do the job.Its more easy to infiltrate the already beaten magnetosphere.I hope this time grid collapse.Sheeple still piss in their pants and deny ignorantly the fact that their way of life is so vulnerable and at the brink of a collapse.

alone ---------> sheeple

drevil ----------> me
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[link to www.facebook.com] the facebook link posted above, and you can look at image there. Which somebody also posted about here earlier.


NOAA NWS Space Weather Prediction Center
Correction and New Data.
Earlier, it was stated that the current Solar Radiation Storm was the largest since May 2005, when the 10 MeV protons exceeded over 3000 PFU. This was not correct.
At the time of the earlier post, this current Storm was the biggest since January 2005, when the 10 MeV flux was 5040 pfu. After the arrival of the CME earlier today, the 10 MeV flux again increased and we were at around 6300 pfu. This is now the largest Solar Radiation Storm since October 2003. (The Halloween Storms)

Attached is a plot of the Protons and it shows the secondary increase of 10 MeV protons as the CME arrived.

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I posted that earlier... and am now wondering if we should expect things to get worse, over the next 24 to 36 hours?
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I'm not too sure I understand OP

The websites I use have been quite accurate

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1855758


Those yes. ACE and NICK no. Please read what I posted early in the thread. I gave the sites that were not right and the ones that were. I started looking closer because of the media shilling going on at CNN. I myself was waiting for the cme that CNN said missed us. And I had remembered looking at the goes magnetometer and seeing what was obvious, and I was thus confused by ACE and Nict.
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I did, but this isn't exact science. Predictions are wrong all the time, warnings turn out to be unwarranted, data needs correction when other data show the equipment was malfunctioning, etc.

Sometimes there's no data available because satellites go into hibernation mode to avoid static loading during particle flux, otherwise electronics get fried, you know this ,right ?

Like right now

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

In any event, good lookin' out mang

Goofy Thum
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3 Within 2 days? 1 being S3, another being G1? That's kinda fishy to me.
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Could be to discredit amateur astronomers and sites like this one (with huge followings) in order to downplay not just this event, but future ones as well, because our confidence in ourselves and others to accurately interpret and predict catastrophic natural events would be shaken, lose followers, and bury the whole topic as one "better left to professionals," professionals who say "don't worry, everything is fine, it's normal!"

I think mostly, however, this is about downplaying events to water down any trends we think we see developing in nature, lest we catch on to the big picture and begin to think for ourselves, outside of the box.
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think youre right

well put!
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Here's a solid source NIP. If you look now, we did get a KP6 storm this afternoon. If you will look at the second graph, the Electrons, you'll see the data dropout, it flatlines. This occurs because the data stream can be corrupted by the storm. This actually shows the total duration of the storm, over two days worth. What made this flare so unique, was it was a "TenFlare" [link to solarham.com] It may not have been an X, but what it put out was nasty bad, very much on the scale of a high X. Yes, Carrington bad. I'm quite relieved at this point to think it missed us, at least heavy brunt of it. Now, lets see if I get banned for the eighth time for this post. Good catch by the way, kudos.

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
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SOmeone needs to research the following ASAP:


**"Satellite Weather Modification System"(SWMS) Patent: 5,762,298


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