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German auto workers make $67.14/Hr - Americans $33.77.

 
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German auto workers make $67.14/Hr - Americans $33.77.
Putting the lie to the overpaid auto worker bullshit line the supposed conservatives love to spew. You know, the kind of ashole who won't be satisfied until everybody is making 13 cents an hour just like they do in China.

[link to poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com]

The fact of the matter is, there used to be 30 or 40 thousand people working in an assembly plant. In the age of automation, they now do he same job with 5 thousand. That means every auto worker can be paid like 6 or 8 men and the company still makes money.

And why should they be paid like 6 or 8 men you ask? You can bet that if General Motors had robots that could do their jobs, there would be nobody working in those plants. The fact that those workers can't be replaced, makes their labor valuable.
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Yeah yeah, stfu and get back in line coffee break is over.
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Re: German auto workers make $67.14/Hr - Americans $33.77.
No factory worker should make that much it is absurd no wonder the world is fucked.
A minority of communist union workers get stupidly high ridiculous hourly rates while the majority of others get low pay.
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German cars are pretty expensive.
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Re: German auto workers make $67.14/Hr - Americans $33.77.
Putting the lie to the overpaid auto worker bullshit line the supposed conservatives love to spew. You know, the kind of ashole who won't be satisfied until everybody is making 13 cents an hour just like they do in China.

[link to poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com]

The fact of the matter is, there used to be 30 or 40 thousand people working in an assembly plant. In the age of automation, they now do he same job with 5 thousand. That means every auto worker can be paid like 6 or 8 men and the company still makes money.

And why should they be paid like 6 or 8 men you ask? You can bet that if General Motors had robots that could do their jobs, there would be nobody working in those plants. The fact that those workers can't be replaced, makes their labor valuable.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9478185


It doesn't work for every nation...depends on your product. Germany has a smaller population as well. The US has more people to get back to work

I'm neither conservative nor liberal...I'm a realist independent.

However, fwiw, even BMW is setting up more production plants in the USA and taking advantage of US lower cost labor, so even they want less expensive labor to make a more competitive product:

[link to www.autoweek.com]

And Canada is at a serious disadvantage to the US now:

[link to www.watertowndailytimes.com]

[link to www.theglobeandmail.com]


Everything is a cycle. 25 years ago manufacturing moved to Canada because it was cheaper, the loonie was attractive and labor costs were less.

Now they're moving back to the US, because after a prolonged recession the US is now much more competitive, with the cheapest labor force in the G7 and the most competitive currency.

Those Americans earning $33 are glad to get those jobs, and cost of living in Detroit is the lowest in the country, probably in the G7. Cost of living in Germany is far higher

It's all relative....
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Detroit



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German cars are pretty expensive.
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Lol, thank you!
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No factory worker should make that much it is absurd no wonder the world is fucked.
A minority of communist union workers get stupidly high ridiculous hourly rates while the majority of others get low pay.
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^^This reply is pretty much all you need on this thread!^^

67 dollars an hour for a position that doesn't even require any education....lol
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German cars are pretty expensive.
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This. They may have more money but there crap cost more to.
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Re: German auto workers make $67.14/Hr - Americans $33.77.
No factory worker should make that much it is absurd no wonder the world is fucked.
A minority of communist union workers get stupidly high ridiculous hourly rates while the majority of others get low pay.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9267532


Where do you work. I'll just guess and say a bank. When they put in the automated tellers and laid off half the real tellers you should have demanded double pay.

That's your fault that you didn't. And it's not communism. The unions don't do anything different than Wal-Mart does every day. The stores band together and gang up on a supplier to get the lowest possible price. The two sides enter negotiations and haggle and dicker until a price both can live with is agreed upon. When Walmart does it you call that a triumph of capitalism. When the workers do it you call it communism. Bullshit.
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Yes, but if something needs to be done, does a German auto worker have to sit on their hands and wait for the worker that the Union has okay'ed to do the job? Or can they simply do it themselves and get the job done?
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No factory worker should make that much it is absurd no wonder the world is fucked.
A minority of communist union workers get stupidly high ridiculous hourly rates while the majority of others get low pay.
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^^This reply is pretty much all you need on this thread!^^

67 dollars an hour for a position that doesn't even require any education....lol
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Well, for a small audience and an elite market, sure they can use labor that is $67 or even higher

For a small group of elite buyers, the very fact the labor is $60, $90 or even $200/hr could be part of the bragging rights

However, if you were to start producing a mass market item, with costs priced in a currency which is already 30-50% more expensive than the $USD, it may work against you

Depends on your market, your audience, and how much revenue about cost you wish to make.
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German cars are pretty expensive.
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Lol, thank you!
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Go roid rage your boyfriends...
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"Depends on your market, your audience, and how much revenue about cost you wish to make."

...typo: how much revenue ABOVE cost you wish to make
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Re: German auto workers make $67.14/Hr - Americans $33.77.
No factory worker should make that much it is absurd no wonder the world is fucked.
A minority of communist union workers get stupidly high ridiculous hourly rates while the majority of others get low pay.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9267532


^^This reply is pretty much all you need on this thread!^^

67 dollars an hour for a position that doesn't even require any education....lol
 Quoting: Evan03


Well, for a small audience and an elite market, sure they can use labor that is $67 or even higher

For a small group of elite buyers, the very fact the labor is $60, $90 or even $200/hr could be part of the bragging rights

However, if you were to start producing a mass market item, with costs priced in a currency which is already 30-50% more expensive than the $USD, it may work against you

Depends on your market, your audience, and how much revenue about cost you wish to make.
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According to that article: Germany built 5 million cars last year. The US 2.7 million.
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It doesnt matter. I wont buy an American made union car not intil the unions get their mind right.
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UAW has been renegotiating even lower wages especially in the newer plants opening, as low as $18/hr.

Saw another comparison adjusted for inflation the Henry Ford Model-T auto line worker today would be making $100/hr. Ford paid them well.

The biggest complaint these days is that the workers get paid $35/hr to put on a tire. Well, the unions have negotiated fair profits throughout the history of the auto industry, so it has little to do with skilled labor rather is about fair wages when the company rakes in huge profits.
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Gemans also pay $47 dollars for a plain white t-shirt and 8 bucks a gallon of gas. Besides that they make precision instruments. Not ugly pieces of junk that break down a month after you buy it.
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I know at least one Toyota plant where contract assembly workers -- and most of them were -- made 12 to 16/hr; fulltime made about 20. However, the Japanese engineers who were required to spend a period of time in the US got about $250K/yr. WAY more than non-managerial US electromechanical and electronic engineers.
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Gemans also pay $47 dollars for a plain white t-shirt and 8 bucks a gallon of gas.
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This. They earn more because things are more expensive here.

Toyota workers in Japan probably have even higher wages due to their standard of living.
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Even if it's assembly line work, least those fudge packers got a job.
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Yes, but if something needs to be done, does a German auto worker have to sit on their hands and wait for the worker that the Union has okay'ed to do the job? Or can they simply do it themselves and get the job done?
 Quoting: samanthasunflower


Germany has unions too. But it is not so a big thing. Also the export industry is the "german holy cow". So there are no big strikes or strikebreaker.

Also i think, $67 per hour is too much (50€). I think the average worker gets 25-30€ ($40) per hour * 35 hour a week * 4 weeks a month = 4000€ ... this is realistic. May be even too much.
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an honest dollar for an honest day's work seems to be fair to me
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You get what you pay for
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It's the Germans who have redefined the definition of "Quality" when it comes to cars, but they have the "advantage" of having had their old factories bombed out, which gave them the chance to start from new 60 years ago when the rest of us were still in the manufacturing dark ages.

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Putting the lie to the overpaid auto worker bullshit line the supposed conservatives love to spew. You know, the kind of ashole who won't be satisfied until everybody is making 13 cents an hour just like they do in China.

[link to poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com]

The fact of the matter is, there used to be 30 or 40 thousand people working in an assembly plant. In the age of automation, they now do he same job with 5 thousand. That means every auto worker can be paid like 6 or 8 men and the company still makes money.

And why should they be paid like 6 or 8 men you ask? You can bet that if General Motors had robots that could do their jobs, there would be nobody working in those plants. The fact that those workers can't be replaced, makes their labor valuable.
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And German machinists make more than 15 Euro/hour, which is probably close to double what they make here. My German husband went from making high wages in Germany to making $15/hour as a machinist here in the US. I'm not up to date on conversions, but last I checked, the euro was almost twice as strong as the dollar, making 15 euro equal to $30.
Also, I saw a chart, wish I had the link, that showed how Germany has a cost of living that equates to about half of what it is in USA, and the USA had the highest overall cost of living in the world.
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They also get the shit taxed out of them too, the American worker probably takes home more.
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I remember seeing a news story/ documentary about German automobile production a few years ago. Workers and management cooperated with the manufacturing process and various management decision issues involving the company. I'm betting their upper management types weren't getting the big bucks/stock options of their American counterparts either.

Your connecting this wage disparity with the whole union issue, is faulty, I think. It has more to do with a different corporate outlook, with greater profit sharing between owners, management and workers, almost a partnership view, on the German side. The American model seems to have a slave mentality view, where the owners employ whip-wielding management to squeeze all they can out of the field-hand workers.
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Gemans also pay $47 dollars for a plain white t-shirt and 8 bucks a gallon of gas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9411983


This. They earn more because things are more expensive here.

Toyota workers in Japan probably have even higher wages due to their standard of living.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8596148


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall tshirt costing an equivallent of $47 dollars, unless perhaps it was some useless name brand crap. Actually, when I was still over there, utilities, phone, food costs were all reasonably low, wages were somewhat high, rent was pretty low in comparrison to income...really, life was good for us. Stupid to leave it all behind. But that was a few years ago, so maybe a lot has changed.

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