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Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 1134608 United States 01/25/2012 10:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'd like to go too, but I'd prefer that the money be spent on the people who need it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8849767 Does the Moon need the money more than the unemployed and starving? Not the government's job. The government's job is to make the conditions favorable to high employment. The moon will be the key to security in the future, it is vital that we maintain a presence there before China exploits it themselves. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9109924 United States 01/25/2012 10:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Uhhhhh............... :wft: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8849767 Link [link to www.straitstimes.com] Florida (AP) - Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich is promising to establish a permanent base on the moon. Great way to spend money when millions of Americans are starving and jobless. 1) It creates LOTS of Florida jobs....for at least a DECADE. 2) New USEFUL science discoveries will be made 3) New technology will be required that creates many new businesses across the USA. Your problem with that is???? The government doesn't create jobs. Remember? You didn't listen to the debate did ya? Newt wouldn't do it with just government. ....nor has any other President before. NASA depends on MANY PRIVATE COMPANIES and technologies to function. Investment comes from INCENTIVES. He wouldn't do it with JUST government but he wouldn't do it WITHOUT government either. Kind of like it wasn't JUST the government that resurrected GM but they would be dead WITHOUT government intervention. Big government is big government no matter how one chooses to frame it. I do not like big government. |
Project_Deimos User ID: 999284 United States 01/25/2012 10:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If he said that and will do it he has my vote! It would create thousands of new jobs, new businesses, and new technologies. Sheeple have no clue how much of the things they use on a daily basis, and things in the medical fields are spin off products from technology developed for space exploration. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 735481 Integrated circuits for starters. Not to mention the launch vehicle technology that got the GPS satellites in the sky so they can find the bar that they are planning to hit that night. Should we even get into materials technology? Last Edited by Project_Deimos on 01/25/2012 10:27 PM "There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say, we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know." |
Buck Johnson User ID: 1020156 United States 01/25/2012 10:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Uhhhhh............... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8849767 Link [link to www.straitstimes.com] Florida (AP) - Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich is promising to establish a permanent base on the moon. Great way to spend money when millions of Americans are starving and jobless. I wish I can believe him, but it sounds like he's saying what he has to say dependant on the audience pure an simple. [link to www.s8int.com] “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Quote from Joseph Goebbels Hitlers propaganda man. |
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Project_Deimos User ID: 999284 United States 01/25/2012 10:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They need to do something about space junk debris though. It's getting worse everywhere. If they don't do anything, we won't be able to launch anything up there. Quoting: AlcoholicRunner That is a veritable GOLD MINE. The first successful retrieval company will make billions. EVERY bit of metal sent to space is worth bringing back. Last Edited by Project_Deimos on 01/25/2012 10:30 PM "There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say, we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know." |
Burt Gummer User ID: 7702124 United States 01/25/2012 10:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Burt Gummer 1) It creates LOTS of Florida jobs....for at least a DECADE. 2) New USEFUL science discoveries will be made 3) New technology will be required that creates many new businesses across the USA. Your problem with that is???? The government doesn't create jobs. Remember? You didn't listen to the debate did ya? Newt wouldn't do it with just government. ....nor has any other President before. NASA depends on MANY PRIVATE COMPANIES and technologies to function. Investment comes from INCENTIVES. He wouldn't do it with JUST government but he wouldn't do it WITHOUT government either. Kind of like it wasn't JUST the government that resurrected GM but they would be dead WITHOUT government intervention. Big government is big government no matter how one chooses to frame it. I do not like big government. No one said, or even implied, it was totally "government exempt" except you. NASA is a government operation.....or maybe you missed the memo on that? You didn't listen to the debate apparently either. Last Edited by Useless Cookie Eater on 01/25/2012 10:31 PM |
LORIEN User ID: 9584869 India 01/25/2012 10:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They need to do something about space junk debris though. It's getting worse everywhere. If they don't do anything, we won't be able to launch anything up there. Quoting: AlcoholicRunner That is a veritable GOLD MINE. The first successful retrieval company will make billions. EVERY bit of metal sent to space is worth bringing back. [link to www.tvaddicts.tv] It's easy to find something worth dying for. Do you have anything worth living for? |
david User ID: 1404180 United States 01/25/2012 10:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i know that it appears wasteful and foolish to many, supporting a space program. especially during periods of economic stress. a moon colony will probably not provide immediate benefits, kind of like the 90 year old man who plants a shade tree. but the children of your childrens' children may thank you. Quoting: david 1404180 Dude...you going to send your grandkids to the Moon to get a job? Let's see what real estate prices are...starting with the air/space capsule fare...and out of exactly what materials will these "houses" be built...Moondust? your objections are certainly valid, perhaps a space program is pure folly. i guess i am a lonely remnant of the days when americans could still do things, and not let problems defeat every dream. i hope that future you envision for your progeny has hope and perhaps just a little awe about the unknown. (removing tongue from cheek) Our hope is not on the Moon and absolutely knowing that I didn't create myself (or my progeny) is sufficient Awe of the Unknown...some call it God. Some call it Faith. Some roll up their sleeves and just do what needs to be done. There is a difference between Dreams and Lunacy (craziness inspired by Luna...the Moon) But send my kid to the Moon to get a job? Don't think so. now i remember you. you were the one who stood on the shore with columbus and laughingly told him that if he sailed past the horizon,he would fall to oblivion, because everyone knows the earth is flat and besides, you know darn well that god doesn't want us to learn anything new.( yeah thats right i'm that old, i was there} |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 735481 United States 01/25/2012 10:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They need to do something about space junk debris though. It's getting worse everywhere. If they don't do anything, we won't be able to launch anything up there. Quoting: AlcoholicRunner One day it will be big business to "mine" the space junk and bring it back to earth, or to orbiting factories, or to bases on the Moon. All that "junk" is loaded with valuable metals such as gold and titanium to name a few. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8673053 United States 01/25/2012 10:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'd like to go too, but I'd prefer that the money be spent on the people who need it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8849767 Does the Moon need the money more than the unemployed and starving? Not the government's job. The government's job is to make the conditions favorable to high employment. The moon will be the key to security in the future, it is vital that we maintain a presence there before China exploits it themselves. Let's let China open a few WalMarts and send their specially selected folk there for a couple bucks an hour. At least WalMart Earth pays minimum wage. Kind of like Australia back in the day. (no offense, Aussies...the US is a bunch of Fleeing Euro Mongrels, too) What is it exactly the Moon has that we don't anyway? There are millions of acres of US earth spaces that are vacant, especially in California and Texas and Nevada et al. Then there is Canada and The Americas and probably still room in Australia. And Asia, too. And, what if there really are Moon People and they don't want immigrants? We must be practical. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9592369 United States 01/25/2012 10:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Building the infrastructure required to go to the Moon and support a permanent base would create a lot of jobs, good tech and engineering jobs. Just like Apollo did. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1149306 already bases on the moon - already paid for by your hard earned dollars - what benefits have you recouped so far from your prior investments in same? didn't think so... carry on |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1308649 United States 01/25/2012 10:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Uhhhhh............... :wft: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8849767 Link [link to www.straitstimes.com] Florida (AP) - Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich is promising to establish a permanent base on the moon. Great way to spend money when millions of Americans are starving and jobless. To get the Florida vote, then.............no |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1308649 United States 01/25/2012 10:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You didn't listen to the debate did ya? Newt wouldn't do it with just government. ....nor has any other President before. NASA depends on MANY PRIVATE COMPANIES and technologies to function. Investment comes from INCENTIVES. He wouldn't do it with JUST government but he wouldn't do it WITHOUT government either. Kind of like it wasn't JUST the government that resurrected GM but they would be dead WITHOUT government intervention. Big government is big government no matter how one chooses to frame it. I do not like big government. No one said, or even implied, it was totally "government exempt" except you. NASA is a government operation.....or maybe you missed the memo on that? You didn't listen to the debate apparently either.:grnrolleyes: IT IS ONLY TO GET THE FLORIDA VOTERS! They were promised that Nasa would get funding, then layoffs. This is to get the florida vote, then.............no! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 735481 United States 01/25/2012 10:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Building the infrastructure required to go to the Moon and support a permanent base would create a lot of jobs, good tech and engineering jobs. Just like Apollo did. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1149306 already bases on the moon - already paid for by your hard earned dollars - what benefits have you recouped so far from your prior investments in same? didn't think so... carry on Do a search dumb ass Well lets see. Medical technology spun off from space technology has saved several family members and friends lives over the years. Products I use daily spun off from space technology make my life easier and safer. Hmmm.....nope nothing good at all. I will join the sheeple now...... |
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david User ID: 1404180 United States 01/25/2012 10:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i know that it appears wasteful and foolish to many, supporting a space program. especially during periods of economic stress. a moon colony will probably not provide immediate benefits, kind of like the 90 year old man who plants a shade tree. but the children of your childrens' children may thank you. Quoting: david 1404180 Dude...you going to send your grandkids to the Moon to get a job? Let's see what real estate prices are...starting with the air/space capsule fare...and out of exactly what materials will these "houses" be built...Moondust? your objections are certainly valid, perhaps a space program is pure folly. i guess i am a lonely remnant of the days when americans could still do things, and not let problems defeat every dream. i hope that future you envision for your progeny has hope and perhaps just a little awe about the unknown. (removing tongue from cheek) Our hope is not on the Moon and absolutely knowing that I didn't create myself (or my progeny) is sufficient Awe of the Unknown...some call it God. Some call it Faith. Some roll up their sleeves and just do what needs to be done. There is a difference between Dreams and Lunacy (craziness inspired by Luna...the Moon) But send my kid to the Moon to get a job? Don't think so. something else occurred to me, you should probably put your tongue back in your cheek. that way you can suck on a rotten tooth as you tell the wright brothers that if god had wanted us to fly he'd have clad us in feathers and strapped a motor to our arse! hyuk hyuk hyuk |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2605507 United States 01/25/2012 10:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The 1960s space race was bogus. The American public was scared, using the prospect of a Red moon, into supporting massive funding for NASA, which was really just a clever way for the US military to divert R&D costs from its budget. We never trailed the Soviets in any meaningful technology. In fact, we led the way on ICBM technology, satellite photography, surveillance, i.e., anything that mattered. The Ruskies splashed a worthless beeping probe into semi-stable orbit, then followed with men, but their efforts were basically stunts, and their actual capabilities were far less impressive. And declassified records show that Eisenhower and Kennedy knew this, but could not reveal what they knew, for this would have shown our space-surveillance hand. Another sham, empty gesture of the PR era. As Gerard DeGroot basically says in his book DARK SIDE OF THE MOON, the only real thing that's come out of the space program, besides the MIC tech weapon grid and a lot of lost cash, is the knowledge that everything in the universe worth having is right here on Earth. As John Glenn not-so-famously said when he stepped out of the LM onto the lunar surface after Armstrong, "Magnificent desolation." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1149306 United States 01/25/2012 10:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Building the infrastructure required to go to the Moon and support a permanent base would create a lot of jobs, good tech and engineering jobs. Just like Apollo did. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1149306 You good with paying for this? It's a government job welfare-for-engineers-and-their-support-staff thingy...not like it's private enterprise. Costs a lot more than Food Stamps for the local poor. That is unless we believe there are new markets ... folks to tax and build new WalMarts and such. This is a liberal tax and spend on the Man in the Moon Fantasy. LOL. Thanks for proving you have no idea how the economy actually works. |
Burt Gummer User ID: 7702124 United States 01/25/2012 10:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The 1960s space race was bogus. The American public was scared, using the prospect of a Red moon, into supporting massive funding for NASA, which was really just a clever way for the US military to divert R&D costs from its budget. We never trailed the Soviets in any meaningful technology. In fact, we led the way on ICBM technology, satellite photography, surveillance, i.e., anything that mattered. The Ruskies splashed a worthless beeping probe into semi-stable orbit, then followed with men, but their efforts were basically stunts, and their actual capabilities were far less impressive. And declassified records show that Eisenhower and Kennedy knew this, but could not reveal what they knew, for this would have shown our space-surveillance hand. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2605507 Another sham, empty gesture of the PR era. As Gerard DeGroot basically says in his book DARK SIDE OF THE MOON, the only real thing that's come out of the space program, besides the MIC tech weapon grid and a lot of lost cash, is the knowledge that everything in the universe worth having is right here on Earth. As John Glenn not-so-famously said when he stepped out of the LM onto the lunar surface after Armstrong, "Magnificent desolation." Too much retardedness to even respond to fully. Last Edited by Useless Cookie Eater on 01/25/2012 10:59 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 735481 United States 01/25/2012 11:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The 1960s space race was bogus. The American public was scared, using the prospect of a Red moon, into supporting massive funding for NASA, which was really just a clever way for the US military to divert R&D costs from its budget. We never trailed the Soviets in any meaningful technology. In fact, we led the way on ICBM technology, satellite photography, surveillance, i.e., anything that mattered. The Ruskies splashed a worthless beeping probe into semi-stable orbit, then followed with men, but their efforts were basically stunts, and their actual capabilities were far less impressive. And declassified records show that Eisenhower and Kennedy knew this, but could not reveal what they knew, for this would have shown our space-surveillance hand. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2605507 Another sham, empty gesture of the PR era. As Gerard DeGroot basically says in his book DARK SIDE OF THE MOON, the only real thing that's come out of the space program, besides the MIC tech weapon grid and a lot of lost cash, is the knowledge that everything in the universe worth having is right here on Earth. As John Glenn not-so-famously said when he stepped out of the LM onto the lunar surface after Armstrong, "Magnificent desolation." Fucking moran! Pull your head out of your ass and do a search to see what all technology in use on a daily basis has come from the space program. On second though go back to the flock like a good little sheeple..... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9109924 United States 01/25/2012 11:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You didn't listen to the debate did ya? Newt wouldn't do it with just government. ....nor has any other President before. NASA depends on MANY PRIVATE COMPANIES and technologies to function. Investment comes from INCENTIVES. He wouldn't do it with JUST government but he wouldn't do it WITHOUT government either. Kind of like it wasn't JUST the government that resurrected GM but they would be dead WITHOUT government intervention. Big government is big government no matter how one chooses to frame it. I do not like big government. No one said, or even implied, it was totally "government exempt" except you. NASA is a government operation.....or maybe you missed the memo on that? You didn't listen to the debate apparently either.:grnrolleyes: Does the government create jobs? Yes or no? Is it OK for the government to create jobs under some circumstances but not under others? Who gets to make that call? I am well aware that NASA is a government operation. I am also aware that the government is broke. Should we really borrow money from China or Saudi Arabia to colonize the moon? I think we have more pressing matters here on planet earth. Does the deficit matter sometimes but not others? I listened to the debate as much as I could stomach. My gut seems to have a limited capacity for hypocrisy and inconsistency. So no I did not hang on to every word. And for every one hundred words I did hear I believed exactly zero. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1149306 United States 01/25/2012 11:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can someone, anyone, tell me WHY we need a moon colony? Why would we even want one? The moon is not able to sustain human life. It is not an answer to overpopulation. Its just a rock in the sky. We have an Earth here and people right here who do not need anymore waste... and yes this is waste. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 898 Why? Why do people climb mountains? Cross oceans? Because we can! Also, a colony could start mining Helium 3 and would be good practice for future colonies on other worlds. |
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Burt Gummer User ID: 7702124 United States 01/25/2012 11:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is probably THE MOST IMPORTANT resource on the moon. One dump truck full of that stuff can run THE ENTIRE COUNTRY for 1 year. H3 Energy [link to www.nuenergy.org] Mining The Moon "An Apollo astronaut argues that with its vast stores of nonpolluting nuclear fuel, our lunar neighbor holds the key to Earth's future." [link to www.popularmechanics.com] |