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I found out while searching is that it may drift in an oval shape up to around 80km daily in a loop, which is as much distance as in the average annual drift, so a daily reading at any particular hour, could vary in location as much as a whole years worth of average drift, and that this daily oval is mostly follows in a relation to outside forces on the magnetosphere.

This relation between the momentary position of the magnetic pole and the immediate conditions in space would be an interesting reason to want to track its course, hour by hour, in that sort of time-frame.

(of course this is being done now in some offices somewhere for sure, but that does not mean that this data is on the internet.)
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Yes, there is a website that locates magnetic north in real time, I found it and posted it last night, you'll have to go back and find it.
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That then would mean that the pole would be headed north half the 24 hour cycle and south for the other half with the rotation of the earth on it's rotational axis wouldn't it?
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Yes, until it reaches 78 degrees north latitude, but again, this is a ridiculous question
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So averaged out the pole is not moving either direction relative to the galactic ecliptic correct?
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Incorrect. Even when it is at it's northernmost point due to the Earths rotation it is still moving south. YOU ARE A FlucKING BONEHEAD
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You do not see that you have completely contradicted yourself here?
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For the new page...
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Man, go find someone elses thread to ruin, please.
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You despise truth don't you. Pathetic.
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I don't despise truth but I tire quickly of ignorance, stupidity and willful deception.
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I found out while searching is that it may drift in an oval shape up to around 80km daily in a loop, which is as much distance as in the average annual drift, so a daily reading at any particular hour, could vary in location as much as a whole years worth of average drift, and that this daily oval is mostly follows in a relation to outside forces on the magnetosphere.

This relation between the momentary position of the magnetic pole and the immediate conditions in space would be an interesting reason to want to track its course, hour by hour, in that sort of time-frame.

(of course this is being done now in some offices somewhere for sure, but that does not mean that this data is on the internet.)
 Quoting: ehecatl




Yes, there is a website that locates magnetic north in real time, I found it and posted it last night, you'll have to go back and find it.
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That site dose not locate magnetic north real time and what the are listing as magnetic north is from several years ago.
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Yes, until it reaches 78 degrees north latitude, but again, this is a ridiculous question
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So averaged out the pole is not moving either direction relative to the galactic ecliptic correct?
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Incorrect. Even when it is at it's northernmost point due to the Earths rotation it is still moving south. YOU ARE A FlucKING BONEHEAD
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist. 1174213


You do not see that you have completely contradicted yourself here?
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No I haven't, and that is the difference between a 162-175 IQ and a 99 IQ
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I found out while searching is that it may drift in an oval shape up to around 80km daily in a loop, which is as much distance as in the average annual drift, so a daily reading at any particular hour, could vary in location as much as a whole years worth of average drift, and that this daily oval is mostly follows in a relation to outside forces on the magnetosphere.

This relation between the momentary position of the magnetic pole and the immediate conditions in space would be an interesting reason to want to track its course, hour by hour, in that sort of time-frame.

(of course this is being done now in some offices somewhere for sure, but that does not mean that this data is on the internet.)
 Quoting: ehecatl




Yes, there is a website that locates magnetic north in real time, I found it and posted it last night, you'll have to go back and find it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist. 1174213


That site dose not locate magnetic north real time and what the are listing as magnetic north is from several years ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15256305

You haven't located the right post and site. there is a website the shows the exact coordinates of magnetic north in real time posted last night.
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So averaged out the pole is not moving either direction relative to the galactic ecliptic correct?
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Incorrect. Even when it is at it's northernmost point due to the Earths rotation it is still moving south. YOU ARE A FlucKING BONEHEAD
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist. 1174213


You do not see that you have completely contradicted yourself here?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15256305


No I haven't, and that is the difference between a 162-175 IQ and a 99 IQ
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist. 1174213


"That then would mean that the pole would be headed north half the 24 hour cycle and south for the other half with the rotation of the earth on it's rotational axis wouldn't it?
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Yes, until it reaches 78 degrees north latitude, but again, this is a ridiculous question
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So averaged out the pole is not moving either direction relative to the galactic ecliptic correct?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15256305


Incorrect. Even when it is at it's northernmost point due to the Earths rotation it is still moving south. YOU ARE A FlucKING BONEHEAD"

You don't see it OK
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Here is a source that shows magnetic north in real time. It gives the current location at Latitude:N 82° 17' 60"
Longitude:W 113° 24' 0"
Unfortunately , there does not seem to be an archive but we CAN interpolate it movement from the other earlier data, which i will attempt to do:

[link to www.findlatitudeandlongitude.com]
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Is this the one you are referring to?
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Here is the website I found that shows the location of magnetic north in real time It took some looking through my history to locate it because oddly the post where I posted it here was deleted:


[link to www.findlatitudeandlongitude.com]
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Here is a source that shows magnetic north in real time. It gives the current location at Latitude:N 82° 17' 60"
Longitude:W 113° 24' 0"
Unfortunately , there does not seem to be an archive but we CAN interpolate it movement from the other earlier data, which i will attempt to do:

[link to www.findlatitudeandlongitude.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist. 1216371


Is this the one you are referring to?
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Yes, i see your point, it isn't refreshing. Odd that
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You don't see it OK
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You simply cannot say the pole is moving north when it is decreasing in latitude no matter the effect of the rotation of the Earth. This is not that complicated.
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You don't see it OK
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You simply cannot say the pole is moving north when it is decreasing in latitude no matter the effect of the rotation of the Earth. This is not that complicated.
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NOAA Magnetic Pole Location by year; [link to www.ngdc.noaa.gov]
NOAA North Pole Location for 2012 = 85.154 N 135.594 W
2013 = 85.396 N 139.28 W
2014 = 85.618 N 143.339 W
2015 = 85.791 N 147.264 W
[link to www.ngdc.noaa.gov]
Hmmm 2012, that's pretty close to what I determined from here: [link to www.ngdc.noaa.gov]
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Let me rephrase, i am answering a lot of questions and searching for info at the same time.
You simply cannot say the pole is moving north when it is averaged position is decreasing in latitude in relation to true ecliptic north no matter the effect of the rotation of the Earth.

This is not that complicated. If the earth stopped rotating, or the north polar axis was at true galactic north, the magnetic pole would be moving south continuously. Eventually when it gets to the equator it will still be moving north half the time in relation to the galactic because the earth rotation causes a more rapid change that the poles movement, but this is ignorant debate, is it not? Are you that desperate to 'get one over' on me? You're making an ass of yourself.
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Another observation I am sure few have noticed. The fact that the magnetic north pole is moving towards the actual rotational axis pole means it is MOVING SOUTH, as the north rotational pole is 22 degrees from being aligned north to south in the ecliptic.
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Then you answered my question with

"The earth is moving north in relation to galactic plane (which is simply the 'ecliptic' of the galaxy), but the north magnetic pole is most definitely moving rapidly south relative to any position on Earth. I hope this has clarified your confusion."

Is this not a complete contradiction or am I still missing something?
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Then why did you say it?
We were always discussing relative to galactic plane.
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You simply cannot say the pole is moving north when it is decreasing in latitude no matter the effect of the rotation of the Earth. This is not that complicated.
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NOAA Magnetic Pole Location by year; [link to www.ngdc.noaa.gov]
NOAA North Pole Location for 2012 = 85.154 N 135.594 W
2013 = 85.396 N 139.28 W
2014 = 85.618 N 143.339 W
2015 = 85.791 N 147.264 W
[link to www.ngdc.noaa.gov]
Hmmm 2012, that's pretty close to what I determined from here: [link to www.ngdc.noaa.gov]

 Quoting: TBar1984


We've already been down that road idiot, the rotational axis of the earth is 22 degrees south of true ecliptic north meaning if the magnetic pole is moving towards the rotational axis of 90 degrees north latitude , it is actually moving south in relation to the only reference that really matters, the ecliptic plane of the solar system.
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You don't see it OK
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You simply cannot say the pole is moving north when it is decreasing in latitude no matter the effect of the rotation of the Earth. This is not that complicated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist. 1174213

NOAA Magnetic Pole Location by year; [link to www.ngdc.noaa.gov]
NOAA North Pole Location for 2012 = 85.154 N 135.594 W
2013 = 85.396 N 139.28 W
2014 = 85.618 N 143.339 W
2015 = 85.791 N 147.264 W
[link to www.ngdc.noaa.gov]
Hmmm 2012, that's pretty close to what I determined from here: [link to www.ngdc.noaa.gov]

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We've already been down that road idiot, the rotational axis of the earth is 22 degrees south of true ecliptic north meaning if the magnetic pole is moving towards the rotational axis of 90 degrees north latitude , it is actually moving south in relation to the only reference that really matters, the ecliptic plane of the solar system.
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Half the time any distance away from the rotational axis is BELOW the rotational axis, you fruitcake. Even a freakin' caveman can determine that.
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You don't see it OK
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You simply cannot say the pole is moving north when it is decreasing in latitude no matter the effect of the rotation of the Earth. This is not that complicated.
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NOAA Magnetic Pole Location by year; [link to www.ngdc.noaa.gov]
NOAA North Pole Location for 2012 = 85.154 N 135.594 W
2013 = 85.396 N 139.28 W
2014 = 85.618 N 143.339 W
2015 = 85.791 N 147.264 W
[link to www.ngdc.noaa.gov]
Hmmm 2012, that's pretty close to what I determined from here: [link to www.ngdc.noaa.gov]

 Quoting: TBar1984


We've already been down that road idiot, the rotational axis of the earth is 22 degrees south of true ecliptic north meaning if the magnetic pole is moving towards the rotational axis of 90 degrees north latitude , it is actually moving south in relation to the only reference that really matters, the ecliptic plane of the solar system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist. 1174213


But you said
"The earth is moving north in relation to galactic plane (which is simply the 'ecliptic' of the galaxy), but the north magnetic pole is most definitely moving rapidly south relative to any position on Earth. I hope this has clarified your confusion."

I just ask which is it from your view?
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You simply cannot say the pole is moving north when it is decreasing in latitude no matter the effect of the rotation of the Earth. This is not that complicated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist. 1174213

NOAA Magnetic Pole Location by year; [link to www.ngdc.noaa.gov]
NOAA North Pole Location for 2012 = 85.154 N 135.594 W
2013 = 85.396 N 139.28 W
2014 = 85.618 N 143.339 W
2015 = 85.791 N 147.264 W
[link to www.ngdc.noaa.gov]
Hmmm 2012, that's pretty close to what I determined from here: [link to www.ngdc.noaa.gov]

 Quoting: TBar1984


We've already been down that road idiot, the rotational axis of the earth is 22 degrees south of true ecliptic north meaning if the magnetic pole is moving towards the rotational axis of 90 degrees north latitude , it is actually moving south in relation to the only reference that really matters, the ecliptic plane of the solar system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist. 1174213


But you said
"The earth is moving north in relation to galactic plane (which is simply the 'ecliptic' of the galaxy), but the north magnetic pole is most definitely moving rapidly south relative to any position on Earth. I hope this has clarified your confusion."

I just ask which is it from your view?
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What you have said so far is the entire planet is moving north relative to the galactic plane and the earth magnetic north is moving south relative to the galactic plane hence my confusion.
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As far as the question of semantics concerning direction of magnetic drift I side with T-Bar.

However once again AA may be harping the more essential issue, that the north magnetic pole is drifting faster than ever, and in a very straight line, which is something unprecedented in the several thousand year map of polar drift that waterbug provided yesterday.

The following video I believe explained why it might be that the magnetic orientation of deep space would reverse when crossing the galactic plain. It has to do with the ultra powerful super massive black hole at the center of the galaxy that is giving the form to the whole galaxy.

I'm still not clear about the details, but that would be the framework of thought.

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As far as the question of semantics concerning direction of magnetic drift I side with T-Bar.

However once again AA may be harping the more essential issue, that the north magnetic pole is drifting faster than ever, and in a very straight line, which is something unprecedented in the several thousand year map of polar drift that waterbug provided yesterday.

The following video I believe explained why it might be that the magnetic orientation of deep space would reverse when crossing the galactic plain. It has to do with the ultra powerful super massive black hole at the center of the galaxy that is giving the form to the whole galaxy.

I'm still not clear about the details, but that would be the framework of thought.


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As you have already pointed out though the pole never moves in straight lines ever.
Point to point is connected by a straight line but in between sample points the pole always dances.
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What you have said so far is the entire planet is moving north relative to the galactic plane and the earth magnetic north is moving south relative to the galactic plane hence my confusion.
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Well, you seem to have it right now. I make the assumption sometimes that people can understand things as easily as I can by picturing them in their mind, which I know is not really the case
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but i will make you the following bet, in a months time you will no longer be assigned to me. You will be forbidden or restricted from engaging me by your superiors due to failure on your part and I will bet anything you can afford to lose.

How do i know? Well, let's just say I've always had control over you, not the other way around. I could have gotten rid of you any time I wanted but you serve a useful purpose to me by re enforcing the idea in the readers mind that there is an an organized attempt to cover up my message, and discredit me and the government doesn't waste money like that on people who are full of shit, do they?.
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Interesting. You make some assumptions here, which are false, so I do not know how they might affect the wager. Firstly -- no one 'assigned' me to you. So the only one that could 'forbid' me from engaging you is myself. Secondly -- no one pays me to engage you or cover your message up.

So, it seems I only now have to post counter to you by, say, May 30th to prove you wrong yet again. Sounds like a reasonable experiment to determine your accuracy.

I await your suggestions as to stakes. Perhaps the loser issues an apology, which must include admitting that the one's intellect proved superior to the other? Or perhaps the loser has a one month moratorium on posting to GLP?
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As far as the question of semantics concerning direction of magnetic drift I side with T-Bar.

However once again AA may be harping the more essential issue, that the north magnetic pole is drifting faster than ever, and in a very straight line, which is something unprecedented in the several thousand year map of polar drift that waterbug provided yesterday.

The following video I believe explained why it might be that the magnetic orientation of deep space would reverse when crossing the galactic plain. It has to do with the ultra powerful super massive black hole at the center of the galaxy that is giving the form to the whole galaxy.

I'm still not clear about the details, but that would be the framework of thought.


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As you have already pointed out though the pole never moves in straight lines ever.
Point to point is connected by a straight line but in between sample points the pole always dances.
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It has been moving in an almost linear motion when averaged out over months. This is the trend, and the rend will continue.
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As far as the question of semantics concerning direction of magnetic drift I side with T-Bar.

However once again AA may be harping the more essential issue, that the north magnetic pole is drifting faster than ever, and in a very straight line, which is something unprecedented in the several thousand year map of polar drift that waterbug provided yesterday.

The following video I believe explained why it might be that the magnetic orientation of deep space would reverse when crossing the galactic plain. It has to do with the ultra powerful super massive black hole at the center of the galaxy that is giving the form to the whole galaxy.

I'm still not clear about the details, but that would be the framework of thought.


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The other point you bring up regarding crossing the galactic ecliptic is rather moot as we are not crossing it and will not again for a very very long time.
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but i will make you the following bet, in a months time you will no longer be assigned to me. You will be forbidden or restricted from engaging me by your superiors due to failure on your part and I will bet anything you can afford to lose.

How do i know? Well, let's just say I've always had control over you, not the other way around. I could have gotten rid of you any time I wanted but you serve a useful purpose to me by re enforcing the idea in the readers mind that there is an an organized attempt to cover up my message, and discredit me and the government doesn't waste money like that on people who are full of shit, do they?.
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist. 1174213


Interesting. You make some assumptions here, which are false, so I do not know how they might affect the wager. Firstly -- no one 'assigned' me to you. So the only one that could 'forbid' me from engaging you is myself. Secondly -- no one pays me to engage you or cover your message up.

So, it seems I only now have to post counter to you by, say, May 30th to prove you wrong yet again. Sounds like a reasonable experiment to determine your accuracy.

I await your suggestions as to stakes. Perhaps the loser issues an apology, which must include admitting that the one's intellect proved superior to the other? Or perhaps the loser has a one month moratorium on posting to GLP?
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No sir, i am going to make a complaint to the FBI that you have been stalking me on the internet for 1o years. and you're fucking nuts if you think you're not known as paid disinformation op.
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As you have already pointed out though the pole never moves in straight lines ever.
Point to point is connected by a straight line but in between sample points the pole always dances.
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Correct, it is a spiral. And that spiral has been moving in a straight line for a decade now.
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What you have said so far is the entire planet is moving north relative to the galactic plane and the earth magnetic north is moving south relative to the galactic plane hence my confusion.
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Well, you seem to have it right now. I make the assumption sometimes that people can understand things as easily as I can by picturing them in their mind, which I know is not really the case
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Just how can the north magnetic pole be moving opposite directions simultaneously relative to the galactic plane?
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As far as the question of semantics concerning direction of magnetic drift I side with T-Bar.

However once again AA may be harping the more essential issue, that the north magnetic pole is drifting faster than ever, and in a very straight line, which is something unprecedented in the several thousand year map of polar drift that waterbug provided yesterday.

The following video I believe explained why it might be that the magnetic orientation of deep space would reverse when crossing the galactic plain. It has to do with the ultra powerful super massive black hole at the center of the galaxy that is giving the form to the whole galaxy.

I'm still not clear about the details, but that would be the framework of thought.


 Quoting: ehecatl


The other point you bring up regarding crossing the galactic ecliptic is rather moot as we are not crossing it and will not again for a very very long time.
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SAYS WHO?
Astronomers who can't calculate out position relative to it within 1000 light years and can't say for sure if we are north or south of it?

cruise
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As far as the question of semantics concerning direction of magnetic drift I side with T-Bar.

However once again AA may be harping the more essential issue, that the north magnetic pole is drifting faster than ever, and in a very straight line, which is something unprecedented in the several thousand year map of polar drift that waterbug provided yesterday.

The following video I believe explained why it might be that the magnetic orientation of deep space would reverse when crossing the galactic plain. It has to do with the ultra powerful super massive black hole at the center of the galaxy that is giving the form to the whole galaxy.

I'm still not clear about the details, but that would be the framework of thought.


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One of the major points missing in most of these videos is just how 'strong' the magnetic field has been recently. It was basically 'maxed out' not too long ago, i.e., higher than in the not too distant past. The only way from 'maxed out' is DOWN. The videos that I have linked to point this out better than most. So, even though the field strength has been decreasing rapidly, it has been decreasing from an extreme high. Therefore, it has a long way to drop before it gets to the level associated with reversals. I think this video points that out best;

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but i will make you the following bet, in a months time you will no longer be assigned to me. You will be forbidden or restricted from engaging me by your superiors due to failure on your part and I will bet anything you can afford to lose.

How do i know? Well, let's just say I've always had control over you, not the other way around. I could have gotten rid of you any time I wanted but you serve a useful purpose to me by re enforcing the idea in the readers mind that there is an an organized attempt to cover up my message, and discredit me and the government doesn't waste money like that on people who are full of shit, do they?.
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Interesting. You make some assumptions here, which are false, so I do not know how they might affect the wager. Firstly -- no one 'assigned' me to you. So the only one that could 'forbid' me from engaging you is myself. Secondly -- no one pays me to engage you or cover your message up.

So, it seems I only now have to post counter to you by, say, May 30th to prove you wrong yet again. Sounds like a reasonable experiment to determine your accuracy.

I await your suggestions as to stakes. Perhaps the loser issues an apology, which must include admitting that the one's intellect proved superior to the other? Or perhaps the loser has a one month moratorium on posting to GLP?
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No sir, i am going to make a complaint to the FBI that you have been stalking me on the internet for 1o years. and you're fucking nuts if you think you're not known as paid disinformation op.
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Sigh. You post to GLP, I post to GLP. No stalking necessary. You can wildly claim all you want about me being an 'op' but it simply isn't so. However, I know there is no evidence that can possibly change your pointy little mind about that.

You said you were willing to bet anything I could afford to lose -- I have outlined my suggestion as to a possible wager. Do you have a counter-proposal? Or has my mere inferior intellect trapped you once again?