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Very nice! This is the kind of cooperation we need gathering data and yes that is EXACTLY what it means, most likely, that the neutrons encountered and obstacle between their source and Earth, and it is probably charged plasma.

Thanks again.

Free Neutrons in space moving at above light speed are probably the result of the supernova of stars. A very violent and energetic explosion that disintegrates matter down to the subatomic level and destroys the nucleus. It is also important to note that what are called super massive particles are present as well, which are the retirements of nuclei of heavier elements. Since we have little neutron emission from our own star, it is unlikely these originate from healthy stars or other celestial objects, but from very violent explosions occurring at a rather regular rate throughout the universe called supernovas. We might not even be able to see the source because the particles outrun the light perhaps by thousands of years. It is also important for you to realize that the neutron detector in Russia would be called the a cosmic ray decorator in the US because we have different people in control of our academics and science who will not openly admit to > light speed particles.
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I was reviewing back a way and saw this post and had a couple of questions.

What might you mean by super massive particles?

"It is also important to note that what are called super massive particles are present as well, which are the retirements of nuclei of heavier elements."
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Funny I though the answer is was already given, and wondered why you ask. Then I saw how, the auto editor replaced the word "remnants" with 'retirements' to make the definition a nonsense sentence. Keep in mind my nomenclature may not always match academic sciences, but is correct in it's descriptive qualities.

When atoms of heavier elements such as iron , uranium and nickel disintegrate, sometimes a portion of the nucleus remains intact having a mass in excess of several atomic mass units. This remnant may be moving at very high velocities The loss of electrons or the energetic destruction of the nucleus of an atom by impact from a high energy particle does not always result in the disintegration of the entire nuclei, at least not instantaneously or until they make contact with some other matter.

For the purposes of my definition[/i[, this is what a super massive a particle is. I am not referring to theoretical 'WIMPS', but actual remnants of nuclei from atoms which have disintegrated that have an atomic mass of several mass units or more.
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I see

You are talking about a highly speculative theory of "dark matter" which is not known to exist and for some reason you attribute high speed to them which cannot possibly work within the theory of them.
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No , actually you don't see. i am not talking about anything theoretical at all, I am talking about the remnants of the nucli of atoms which have undergone a process of nuclear disintegration which do not possess electrons.

Protons and neutrons are held together by the different charges they possess. A neutron has no charge, a proton has a positive charge This is the bond that exists between neutron and proton.. There is a difference in potential, right? Do you not realize that when an atoms nucleus disintegrates that it does not always totally disintegrate into separate protons and neutrons, though it's electrons have been stripped away?
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for those of you who are not aware of the significance of what we are seeing on this monitor, for one thing the current neutron flux is about go off their scale, meaning beyond their experience. I am not sure what to make of this, except that undoubtedly there is a much higher concentration of highly energetic neutrons in the galactic plane, which would be totally expected! This is phenomenal!
_______________________________________________

At the lower part of the chart you see this:

Moscow neutron monitor variation for last 30 days
corresponds to 10-20 GeV primary cosmic rays.
Updated every hour.

Now let me inform you of what GeV means. It means billions of electron volts, and a neutron in order to have billions of electron volts of energy potential must be moving well in excess of light speed. This means essentially that the Russians have long since abandoned the idea that mass (a neutron has an atomic mass of @ 1) cannot exceed light speed, pulling the plug on Einstein. You will see NO SUCH indication in western academics or science!
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Now about those neutrons.

In my previous post quote you mention faster than light free neutrons and in this one you state that there are many in the galactic plane.

Surely you made an error here?
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I don't follow you lack of logic.
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I was reviewing back a way and saw this post and had a couple of questions.

What might you mean by super massive particles?

"It is also important to note that what are called super massive particles are present as well, which are the retirements of nuclei of heavier elements."
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Funny I though the answer is was already given, and wondered why you ask. Then I saw how, the auto editor replaced the word "remnants" with 'retirements' to make the definition a nonsense sentence. Keep in mind my nomenclature may not always match academic sciences, but is correct in it's descriptive qualities.

When atoms of heavier elements such as iron , uranium and nickel disintegrate, sometimes a portion of the nucleus remains intact having a mass in excess of several atomic mass units. This remnant may be moving at very high velocities The loss of electrons or the energetic destruction of the nucleus of an atom by impact from a high energy particle does not always result in the disintegration of the entire nuclei, at least not instantaneously or until they make contact with some other matter.

For the purposes of my definition[/i[, this is what a super massive a particle is. I am not referring to theoretical 'WIMPS', but actual remnants of nuclei from atoms which have disintegrated that have an atomic mass of several mass units or more.
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I see

You are talking about a highly speculative theory of "dark matter" which is not known to exist and for some reason you attribute high speed to them which cannot possibly work within the theory of them.
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No , actually you don't see. i am not talking about anything theoretical at all, I am talking about the remnants of the nucli of atoms which have undergone a process of nuclear disintegration which do not possess electrons.

Protons and neutrons are held together by the different charges they possess. A neutron has no charge, a proton has a positive charge This is the bond that exists between neutron and proton.. There is a difference in potential, right? Do you not realize that when an atoms nucleus disintegrates that it does not always totally disintegrate into separate protons and neutrons, though it's electrons have been stripped away?
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What binds a charged particle with an uncharged particle?

And where do free neutrons then come from?
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Your neutron error is quite basic really

Do you remember why they built a neutron bomb?
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What binds a charged particle with an uncharged particle?
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A difference in potential. I will not repeat myself again, deal?
And where do free neutrons then come from?
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Obviously from the disintegration of nuclei. This does not mean necessarily the disintegration must be complete.
I think i am talking to a dumb ass AI program that is designed to scarf information. It need's reprogramming, this time by someone competent..
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What binds a charged particle with an uncharged particle?
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A difference in potential. I will not repeat myself again, deal?
And where do free neutrons then come from?
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Obviously from the disintegration of nuclei. This does not mean necessarily the disintegration must be complete.
I think i am talking to a dumb ass AI program that is designed to scarf information. It need's reprogramming, this time by someone competent..
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You brought up WIMPS not I and with no electric potential there is no magnetic attraction.

You appear to be the only physicist in the world that does not know that neutrons are unstable.

Google the lifespan of an unbound (free)neutron
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Your neutron error is quite basic really

Do you remember why they built a neutron bomb?
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I have made no error. i suspect the error is in your programing. I also suspect I can cause you to further malfunction to the point where it becomes obvious that you are not an actual person, but a computer AI program.
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for those of you who are not aware of the significance of what we are seeing on this monitor, for one thing the current neutron flux is about go off their scale, meaning beyond their experience. I am not sure what to make of this, except that undoubtedly there is a much higher concentration of highly energetic neutrons in the galactic plane, which would be totally expected! This is phenomenal!
_______________________________________________

At the lower part of the chart you see this:

Moscow neutron monitor variation for last 30 days
corresponds to 10-20 GeV primary cosmic rays.
Updated every hour.

Now let me inform you of what GeV means. It means billions of electron volts, and a neutron in order to have billions of electron volts of energy potential must be moving well in excess of light speed. This means essentially that the Russians have long since abandoned the idea that mass (a neutron has an atomic mass of @ 1) cannot exceed light speed, pulling the plug on Einstein. You will see NO SUCH indication in western academics or science!
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Neutrons at 1.0086649156 amu are just slightly higher mass than protons at 1.00727638 amu and particle accelerators are boosting protons well into the 7+TeV range regularly and they protons are not traveling faster than light
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You brought up WIMPS not I and with no electric potential there is no magnetic attraction.
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No actually you did when you mentioned dark matter. I simply said i wasn't talking about anything theoretical, WIMPs inclusive.

You appear to be the only physicist in the world that does not know that neutrons are unstable.
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Why?


Google the lifespan of an unbound (free)neutron
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I know that some neutrons can travel hundreds of thousands of light years. That pretty fucking stable.

I suspect you're about to freeze up. You're close already. Actually it is quite entertaining to take several million dollars of government research and prove it is useless. You've gotten not a single piece of information out of me that is not common knowledge among physicists.

cruise
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Neutrons at 1.0086649156 amu are just slightly higher mass than protons at 1.00727638 amu and particle accelerators are boosting protons well into the 7+TeV range regularly and they protons are not traveling faster than light
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I am not discussing particle accelerators nor have i suggested anything humans have devised is capable of accelerating matter to light speed.

You're about to freeze up and start babbling incoherently. None of these things have ever worked on me.
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Does this Russian neutron monitor graph, and the dip on Apr. 5th, mean anything to you AA?

[link to helios.izmiran.rssi.ru]

Neutrons pass the heliosphere, and might somehow indicate the density of the much reported cloud of material. From what little I have heard about it.

Anything you might add about the origins of free neutrons?
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Very nice! This is the kind of cooperation we need gathering data and yes that is EXACTLY what it means, most likely, that the neutrons encountered and obstacle between their source and Earth, and it is probably charged plasma.

Thanks again.

Free Neutrons in space moving at above light speed are probably the result of the supernova of stars. A very violent and energetic explosion that disintegrates matter down to the subatomic level and destroys the nucleus. It is also important to note that what are called super massive particles are present as well, which are the retirements of nuclei of heavier elements. Since we have little neutron emission from our own star, it is unlikely these originate from healthy stars or other celestial objects, but from very violent explosions occurring at a rather regular rate throughout the universe called supernovas. We might not even be able to see the source because the particles outrun the light perhaps by thousands of years. It is also important for you to realize that the neutron detector in Russia would be called the a cosmic ray decorator in the US because we have different people in control of our academics and science who will not openly admit to > light speed particles.
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A free neutron will decay with a half-life of about 10.3 minutes

I can tell you how you misunderstood what the neutron monitor shows as well if you like IE what the words mean on it.

It all has to do with our earlier discussion regarding auroras
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You brought up WIMPS not I and with no electric potential there is no magnetic attraction.
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No actually you did when you mentioned dark matter. I simply said i wasn't talking about anything theoretical, WIMPs inclusive.

You appear to be the only physicist in the world that does not know that neutrons are unstable.
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Why?


Google the lifespan of an unbound (free)neutron
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I know that some neutrons can travel hundreds of thousands of light years. That pretty fucking stable.

I suspect you're about to freeze up. You're close already. Actually it is quite entertaining to take several million dollars of government research and prove it is useless. You've gotten not a single piece of information out of me that is not common knowledge among physicists.

cruise
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Believe it or not there is only one kind of neutron.

Do you have special "magic" neutrons?
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....except that undoubtedly there is a much higher concentration of highly energetic neutrons in the galactic plane, which would be totally expected...
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clappa

Yes, I think this may be true, but if larger remnants of atomic nuclei also comprised this material, wouldn't these larger atomic nuclei be composed of protons as well, but stripped of electrons?

The thing is, there must ultimately be an explanation to the clear evidential proof that for some unknown reason, and at particular phases in time, the earth and all large heavenly bodies go through a period rapid expansion, from the core outwards.

This is the clear evidence seen in the dates of all the rocks in the ocean and on land first of all, and other clear lines of evidence, that a short several hundred million years ago the earth was only half the size and mass that it is now, and that there were no large oceans then.

This is the geological evidence that is being withheld and resisted because.... well the because is still speculative on my part, but this clear evidence and it's ramifications is being resisted and ignored by the academic and professional establishment.

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....except that undoubtedly there is a much higher concentration of highly energetic neutrons in the galactic plane, which would be totally expected...
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clappa

Yes, I think this may be true, but if larger remnants of atomic nuclei also comprised this material, wouldn't these larger atomic nuclei be composed of protons as well, but stripped of electrons?

The thing is, there must ultimately be an explanation to the clear evidential proof that for some unknown reason, and at particular phases in time, the earth and all large heavenly bodies go through a period rapid expansion, from the core outwards.

This is the clear evidence seen in the dates of all the rocks in the ocean and on land first of all, and other clear lines of evidence, that a short several hundred million years ago the earth was only half the size and mass that it is now, and that there were no large oceans then.

This is the geological evidence that is being withheld and resisted because.... well the because is still speculative on my part, but this clear evidence and it's ramifications is being resisted and ignored by the academic and professional establishment.
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ehe neutrons only have a half life of 10 minutes so there can be no free clouds of neutrons floating around nor traveling very far as they are not around long enough.

Your neutron meter link measure neutrons that are created within the earth atmosphere from "cosmic rays" and particles and solar particles (mostly proton) collisions with atmospheric gases
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....except that undoubtedly there is a much higher concentration of highly energetic neutrons in the galactic plane, which would be totally expected...
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clappa

Yes, I think this may be true, but if larger remnants of atomic nuclei also comprised this material, wouldn't these larger atomic nuclei be composed of protons as well, but stripped of electrons?

The thing is, there must ultimately be an explanation to the clear evidential proof that for some unknown reason, and at particular phases in time, the earth and all large heavenly bodies go through a period rapid expansion, from the core outwards.

This is the clear evidence seen in the dates of all the rocks in the ocean and on land first of all, and other clear lines of evidence, that a short several hundred million years ago the earth was only half the size and mass that it is now, and that there were no large oceans then.

This is the geological evidence that is being withheld and resisted because.... well the because is still speculative on my part, but this clear evidence and it's ramifications is being resisted and ignored by the academic and professional establishment.
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ehe neutrons only have a half life of 10 minutes so there can be no free clouds of neutrons floating around nor traveling very far as they are not around long enough.

Your neutron meter link measure neutrons that are created within the earth atmosphere from "cosmic rays" and particles and solar particles (mostly proton) collisions with atmospheric gases
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you might be right about that, but it is beside the point really. The fact that I would expect to bump up with eventually is how some energy or particle would penetrate to the core of a massive body, and then convert into atomic material.

AA has a theory about how cosmic rays are high velocity neutrons. I don't know about that one way or the other. But if half life is ten minutes, then quarter life is 20 minutes and eighth life is 40 minutes and so on.

I'm not so hung up on the issue of neutrons in particular here, but other things if hurled at faster than light speed could also fit the bill to account for the "unexplainable" expansion of large astronomical bodies.
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....except that undoubtedly there is a much higher concentration of highly energetic neutrons in the galactic plane, which would be totally expected...
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clappa

Yes, I think this may be true, but if larger remnants of atomic nuclei also comprised this material, wouldn't these larger atomic nuclei be composed of protons as well, but stripped of electrons?

The thing is, there must ultimately be an explanation to the clear evidential proof that for some unknown reason, and at particular phases in time, the earth and all large heavenly bodies go through a period rapid expansion, from the core outwards.

This is the clear evidence seen in the dates of all the rocks in the ocean and on land first of all, and other clear lines of evidence, that a short several hundred million years ago the earth was only half the size and mass that it is now, and that there were no large oceans then.

This is the geological evidence that is being withheld and resisted because.... well the because is still speculative on my part, but this clear evidence and it's ramifications is being resisted and ignored by the academic and professional establishment.
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ehe neutrons only have a half life of 10 minutes so there can be no free clouds of neutrons floating around nor traveling very far as they are not around long enough.

Your neutron meter link measure neutrons that are created within the earth atmosphere from "cosmic rays" and particles and solar particles (mostly proton) collisions with atmospheric gases
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you might be right about that, but it is beside the point really. The fact that I would expect to bump up with eventually is how some energy or particle would penetrate to the core of a massive body, and then convert into atomic material.

AA has a theory about how cosmic rays are high velocity neutrons. I don't know about that one way or the other. But if half life is ten minutes, then quarter life is 20 minutes and eighth life is 40 minutes and so on.

I'm not so hung up on the issue of neutrons in particular here, but other things if hurled at faster than light speed could also fit the bill to account for the "unexplainable" expansion of large astronomical bodies.
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If cosmic rays were neutrons even superluminal to the extreme they still are not long lived enough to travel the distances involved.

Despite what AA posts there is no evidence as yet of any particle traveling FTL
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clappa

Yes, I think this may be true, but if larger remnants of atomic nuclei also comprised this material, wouldn't these larger atomic nuclei be composed of protons as well, but stripped of electrons?

The thing is, there must ultimately be an explanation to the clear evidential proof that for some unknown reason, and at particular phases in time, the earth and all large heavenly bodies go through a period rapid expansion, from the core outwards.

This is the clear evidence seen in the dates of all the rocks in the ocean and on land first of all, and other clear lines of evidence, that a short several hundred million years ago the earth was only half the size and mass that it is now, and that there were no large oceans then.

This is the geological evidence that is being withheld and resisted because.... well the because is still speculative on my part, but this clear evidence and it's ramifications is being resisted and ignored by the academic and professional establishment.
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ehe neutrons only have a half life of 10 minutes so there can be no free clouds of neutrons floating around nor traveling very far as they are not around long enough.

Your neutron meter link measure neutrons that are created within the earth atmosphere from "cosmic rays" and particles and solar particles (mostly proton) collisions with atmospheric gases
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you might be right about that, but it is beside the point really. The fact that I would expect to bump up with eventually is how some energy or particle would penetrate to the core of a massive body, and then convert into atomic material.

AA has a theory about how cosmic rays are high velocity neutrons. I don't know about that one way or the other. But if half life is ten minutes, then quarter life is 20 minutes and eighth life is 40 minutes and so on.

I'm not so hung up on the issue of neutrons in particular here, but other things if hurled at faster than light speed could also fit the bill to account for the "unexplainable" expansion of large astronomical bodies.
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If cosmic rays were neutrons even superluminal to the extreme they still are not long lived enough to travel the distances involved.

Despite what AA posts there is no evidence as yet of any particle traveling FTL
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Neutrinos clocked moving at faster-than-light speed [link to www.msnbc.msn.com]
PS...I am not buying the latest news saying that the GPS was out of calibration. That smells...Big time!!!
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ehe neutrons only have a half life of 10 minutes so there can be no free clouds of neutrons floating around nor traveling very far as they are not around long enough.

Your neutron meter link measure neutrons that are created within the earth atmosphere from "cosmic rays" and particles and solar particles (mostly proton) collisions with atmospheric gases
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4041709


you might be right about that, but it is beside the point really. The fact that I would expect to bump up with eventually is how some energy or particle would penetrate to the core of a massive body, and then convert into atomic material.

AA has a theory about how cosmic rays are high velocity neutrons. I don't know about that one way or the other. But if half life is ten minutes, then quarter life is 20 minutes and eighth life is 40 minutes and so on.

I'm not so hung up on the issue of neutrons in particular here, but other things if hurled at faster than light speed could also fit the bill to account for the "unexplainable" expansion of large astronomical bodies.
 Quoting: ehecatl


If cosmic rays were neutrons even superluminal to the extreme they still are not long lived enough to travel the distances involved.

Despite what AA posts there is no evidence as yet of any particle traveling FTL
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Neutrinos clocked moving at faster-than-light speed [link to www.msnbc.msn.com]
PS...I am not buying the latest news saying that the GPS was out of calibration. That smells...Big time!!!
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You are quite a but behind the times on that
[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
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[link to www.bbc.co.uk]

I don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about regarding GPS
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....except that undoubtedly there is a much higher concentration of highly energetic neutrons in the galactic plane, which would be totally expected...
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clappa

Yes, I think this may be true, but if larger remnants of atomic nuclei also comprised this material, wouldn't these larger atomic nuclei be composed of protons as well, but stripped of electrons?

The thing is, there must ultimately be an explanation to the clear evidential proof that for some unknown reason, and at particular phases in time, the earth and all large heavenly bodies go through a period rapid expansion, from the core outwards.

This is the clear evidence seen in the dates of all the rocks in the ocean and on land first of all, and other clear lines of evidence, that a short several hundred million years ago the earth was only half the size and mass that it is now, and that there were no large oceans then.

This is the geological evidence that is being withheld and resisted because.... well the because is still speculative on my part, but this clear evidence and it's ramifications is being resisted and ignored by the academic and professional establishment.
 Quoting: ehecatl


ehe neutrons only have a half life of 10 minutes so there can be no free clouds of neutrons floating around nor traveling very far as they are not around long enough.

Your neutron meter link measure neutrons that are created within the earth atmosphere from "cosmic rays" and particles and solar particles (mostly proton) collisions with atmospheric gases
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you might be right about that, but it is beside the point really. The fact that I would expect to bump up with eventually is how some energy or particle would penetrate to the core of a massive body, and then convert into atomic material.

AA has a theory about how cosmic rays are high velocity neutrons. I don't know about that one way or the other. But if half life is ten minutes, then quarter life is 20 minutes and eighth life is 40 minutes and so on.

I'm not so hung up on the issue of neutrons in particular here, but other things if hurled at faster than light speed could also fit the bill to account for the "unexplainable" expansion of large astronomical bodies.
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Not exactly as the mean lifetime of a neutron is just under 15 minutes
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you might be right about that, but it is beside the point really. The fact that I would expect to bump up with eventually is how some energy or particle would penetrate to the core of a massive body, and then convert into atomic material.

AA has a theory about how cosmic rays are high velocity neutrons. I don't know about that one way or the other. But if half life is ten minutes, then quarter life is 20 minutes and eighth life is 40 minutes and so on.

I'm not so hung up on the issue of neutrons in particular here, but other things if hurled at faster than light speed could also fit the bill to account for the "unexplainable" expansion of large astronomical bodies.
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If cosmic rays were neutrons even superluminal to the extreme they still are not long lived enough to travel the distances involved.

Despite what AA posts there is no evidence as yet of any particle traveling FTL
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Neutrinos clocked moving at faster-than-light speed [link to www.msnbc.msn.com]
PS...I am not buying the latest news saying that the GPS was out of calibration. That smells...Big time!!!
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You are quite a but behind the times on that
[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
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I have come across that as well...gross incompetence?
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If cosmic rays were neutrons even superluminal to the extreme they still are not long lived enough to travel the distances involved.

Despite what AA posts there is no evidence as yet of any particle traveling FTL
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Neutrinos clocked moving at faster-than-light speed [link to www.msnbc.msn.com]
PS...I am not buying the latest news saying that the GPS was out of calibration. That smells...Big time!!!
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You are quite a but behind the times on that
[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
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I have come across that as well...gross incompetence?
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It appears to have been a rush to announce a breakthrough that was UNPRECEDENTED!! as the rest of the team other than the leader had always wanted to recheck and re run the test before the press release.

"Rumours have circulated since the Opera result was first announced that the team was not unified in its decision to announce their findings so quickly, and Dr Centro suggested that researchers outside the team were also suspicious.

"I didn't trust the result right from the beginning - the way it was produced, the way it was managed," he said.

"I think they were a little bit in a hurry to publish something that was astonishing, and at the end of the day it was a wrong measurement."

Four different experiments at Italy's Gran Sasso lab make use of the same beam of neutrinos from Cern."

Prof Antonio Ereditato resigned but the rest of the team is still in place.
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Not to drag things off topic but it looks like I am indeed showing a sunburn now after earlier in the day I say in the sun with no shirt on for about 15 minutes with the UV index at rated at 7.
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It's a minor burn but still that is pretty quick
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Neutrinos clocked moving at faster-than-light speed [link to www.msnbc.msn.com]
PS...I am not buying the latest news saying that the GPS was out of calibration. That smells...Big time!!!
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You are quite a but behind the times on that
[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4041709


I have come across that as well...gross incompetence?
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It appears to have been a rush to announce a breakthrough that was UNPRECEDENTED!! as the rest of the team other than the leader had always wanted to recheck and re run the test before the press release.

"Rumours have circulated since the Opera result was first announced that the team was not unified in its decision to announce their findings so quickly, and Dr Centro suggested that researchers outside the team were also suspicious.

"I didn't trust the result right from the beginning - the way it was produced, the way it was managed," he said.

"I think they were a little bit in a hurry to publish something that was astonishing, and at the end of the day it was a wrong measurement."

Four different experiments at Italy's Gran Sasso lab make use of the same beam of neutrinos from Cern."

Prof Antonio Ereditato resigned but the rest of the team is still in place.
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I would imagine that researchers outside the team would be suspicious. Imagine the implications of FTL particles. The earth is not ready just yet...i suppose.
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You are quite a but behind the times on that
[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
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I have come across that as well...gross incompetence?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12817237


It appears to have been a rush to announce a breakthrough that was UNPRECEDENTED!! as the rest of the team other than the leader had always wanted to recheck and re run the test before the press release.

"Rumours have circulated since the Opera result was first announced that the team was not unified in its decision to announce their findings so quickly, and Dr Centro suggested that researchers outside the team were also suspicious.

"I didn't trust the result right from the beginning - the way it was produced, the way it was managed," he said.

"I think they were a little bit in a hurry to publish something that was astonishing, and at the end of the day it was a wrong measurement."

Four different experiments at Italy's Gran Sasso lab make use of the same beam of neutrinos from Cern."

Prof Antonio Ereditato resigned but the rest of the team is still in place.
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I would imagine that researchers outside the team would be suspicious. Imagine the implications of FTL particles. The earth is not ready just yet...i suppose.
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There is also the possibility that it was covered up I guess as there was and is some cloudiness regarding the ill named "cold fusion" phenomena
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A free neutron will decay with a half-life of about 10.3 minutes
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And precisely what experimental technique was used to come to this erroneous conclusion? If you think I have not seen and studied traditional academic physics you are simply mistaken. I did and I came to apoint where I was basolutely certain beyond any doubt that datat was being misinterpreted , sometimes intentionally, and other tiimes it was simply being fabricated. There is NO EVIDENCE that a neutron decays, all of the real evidence indicates it is just as stable as a proton.
In your scenarist, What happens to the neutron? What does it decay into? And just how was this determined? There is no such thing as a quark except on star trek the next generation.

Again, it is a case of misinterpretation of observations, which has been a universal and integral part of science since the very beginning when a cave man dropped a rock on his foot and it hurt like hell. One of them said it was because the rock was heavy (mass) and another argued it was the fact that it's dropping was similar to throwing it(velocity), when in reality it was a combination of three factors combining together to create kinetic energy.

A quark cannot be detected except by dubious means that cannot differentiate between a quark and a neutron, and believe me, I've done my homework on this. Supposedly a neutron is composed of two down quarks with charge −1⁄3 e and one up quark with charge +2⁄3 e, and this will be discovered to be intentional subterfuge once the stiens are out of control of academia. There has to this date been NO PROOF by quantifying the number of 'up quarks' and 'down quarks' produced by the 'decay' of a neutron.

In reality, the neutron is absorbed into an atoms nucleus in the experimental apparatus by the strong force..and the mans and the stiens figure out a way to quantum-ize it with purely theoretical and dubious measurements of energy .



I can tell you how you misunderstood what the neutron monitor shows as well if you like IE what the words mean on it.
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The neutron monitor simply shows neutron flux levels at the surface, It does not and cannot detect the source absent an indicator such as a specific event like a proton flare or a supernova, and even then the conclusions are in doubt..
As for your insistence that I am incorrect about neutrons being present in the free state in the galactic plane over many thousands of years, perhaps you will consider your beloved and trusted NASA a valid source. remember, you are arguing with them and not me at this point
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Neutrons in the space environment are present in galactic background
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How could they be present in the galactic background if they decayed with a half life of 11 minutes?
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Much of this is common sense, which seems to have been derailed in academic science.
Obviously you have some homework to do, and need to stop insisting on superimposing quantum physics on reality using erroneous and many times fabricated conclusions. Member, the top theory get the funding ,and who is money hungry? Reality is j e w s are very poor scientists and one day very soon this fact will be finally realized that when they took over they led us down a path to nowhere in physcis..

Neutrons to NOT decay and are very stable in the galactic and intergalactic environment, lasting many thousands of years. The evidence is in the detection of neutron stars hundreds of thousands of light years away. How the hell do you think they detect a fucking neutron star, fucktard?
It all has to do with our earlier discussion regarding auroras
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And in what respect was I in error considering our so called discussion? The glow of atoms in the atmosphere called the aurora is caused by high energy electrons trapped by the magnetic field of the earth causing the emission of visible electromagnetic radiation when making contact with atoms in the atmosphere, almost always following a Coronal mass ejection and a geomagnetic impulse. Since the electrons are in the highest concentration near the poles under ordinary circumstances, the aurora is most common at high latitudes. But to put a few flies in your ointment, the aurora has been seen form the equatorial regions during the last solar maximum.
As for the electromagnetic aspect of the geomagnetic field and the effect solar events have on it, this is basic and I cannot see how you find error in my analysis , but if you do I strongly recommend you simply discard the distorting filter of quantum physics and observe thing logically and keeping in mind that the physical world is real.
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All I am trying to say is that we need to use what we KNOW as the foundation for building.

If you hire a plumber to build a foundation of a skyscraper, would you so up the elevators?

When you involve mathematicians in purely theoretical physics and build pong it creating particles and phenomenon as you go along to explain inconsistencies, this is the same thing as hiring a plumber to build your foundation.

Science is empirical observations and physical experimentation that can be reproduced independently.

It is observation based and verifiable. The super collider and Apollo are two examples of non science, since the results cannot be and have never been reproduced independently by anyone else ,and there are billions of dollars flowing motivating everyone involved to lie, fabricate and obfuscate, creating totally false science and a web of lies.
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I have come across that as well...gross incompetence?
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It appears to have been a rush to announce a breakthrough that was UNPRECEDENTED!! as the rest of the team other than the leader had always wanted to recheck and re run the test before the press release.

"Rumours have circulated since the Opera result was first announced that the team was not unified in its decision to announce their findings so quickly, and Dr Centro suggested that researchers outside the team were also suspicious.

"I didn't trust the result right from the beginning - the way it was produced, the way it was managed," he said.

"I think they were a little bit in a hurry to publish something that was astonishing, and at the end of the day it was a wrong measurement."

Four different experiments at Italy's Gran Sasso lab make use of the same beam of neutrinos from Cern."

Prof Antonio Ereditato resigned but the rest of the team is still in place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4041709

I would imagine that researchers outside the team would be suspicious. Imagine the implications of FTL particles. The earth is not ready just yet...i suppose.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12817237


There is also the possibility that it was covered up I guess as there was and is some cloudiness regarding the ill named "cold fusion" phenomena
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I am always suspicious of anyone wanting research grant money, it's why i have never asked for it. Most of you have no idea of the money involved, and how much it has to do with thr fact that the unworthy and incompetent get it because they are good at one thing above all, deception.


I don't need any more information than I already have to spend the rest of my life putting the pieces I do have of the puzzle together.

Sure, it would be nice to have your abilities recognized, and your work published with your name to it instead of a stien that stole it, but to me (sincerely, despite my huge ego) the most important thing is not recognition, but the betterment of mankind.
I have been labeled a hater and it is true I hate my enemies, but the only difference between myself and someone who is claiming otherwise is that they are lying and I am not.
The J e w s have made themselves my enemies, by thieving and lying and by causing my family great hardship, by threatening me and my loved ones with death simply for relating the truth about them in it's pure form, and by calling themselves my superiors in my creator's scheme of things.

This is one thing I cannot forgive unless it is sincerely recanted, and how do you you take back threatening to poison a mans family or oppressing and holding back an entire species through a unified conspiracy hidden behind a false religion (or is it a race, i can never get that right)?

A J e w is neither a member of a specific religion or race, but an organized supranational criminal , part of a incredibly unified conspiracy that has managed to make themselves the global masters. The next step to such an empire is the dethroning, which is history is any indicator is going to be bloody and merciless once the common 'gentile' has it revealed to him what has been done.

No, I don't think these people should be controlling everything we are taught, our banking industry, our government, our media outlets nor where our young men die fighting imperialist resource grabbing wars for their greedy satisfaction.

Call me whatever you want, the great cleansing is upon us and there is nothing you or I or the J e w s or the Knights Templars can do to change it. The survivors will be those who lived the truth. I was told by the elders of my people that the spirit of the great warrior and genius Indian Tecumseh lives within me and my live would be one of unrecognized and unrewarded greatness that would not be recognized until after my death. I can only hope I can live out their predictions.


And BTW, cosmic rays are +C Velocity neutrons.
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It doesn't take much thought to figure out why "they" recanted on the FTLP. After all it erases everything after Maxwell's original work and would defrock all of the Jewish Nobel Laureates as total frauds.

There is no barrier to velocity of matter. At one time not so long ago it was believed that the speed of sound was an unbreakable barrier for matter, but real scientists knew better, and the one day very soon light will be identified as what it is, an electron vibrating passively to an oscillating magnetic field. It's velocity of 186,000 MPS is simply a defining characteristic of a particular particle in a particular physical state. It is not a barrier.

This experiment mentioned is no proof of anything since millions, no billions of dollars are on the line. People will kill their own children for a million dollars, what would they do for a billion? Are you telling me they wouldn't fake and concoct data and conspire together to deceive?
Quantum physics has long since been disqualified. The disqualifications are hidden behind false nomenclature like cosmic 'rays' and doctored data.

With ten million American dollars I could develop a machine capable of accelerating a one pound object beyond the speed of light inside of a years time, and at this velocity it would not only exist in exactly the same state it was at 0 f/s ,it would obey the general kinetic energy formula to preciseness.

Yes, it would take a tremendous amount of electricity and the right material to use as a projectile (here's where I don't give you what you want)

There's one thing we know moves faster than the speed of light, and that is a magnetic impulse. This is why particle accelerators all use magnetic fields in an attempt to accelerate a charged particle.

I am giving away more than I should but then I will never get the credit anyway. If you've noticed all of the particle accelerators are what appears to be large circles, well, what does the accelerated particle have to do continuously? Change direction, correct? What does it take to change direction? Energy, correct? How many times a second does a particle have to circumnavigate a 26 mile circle moving at light speed? How much energy is this breaking effect consuming, and is this not perhaps why these particle accelerators are failing to accelerate large charge particles behind light speed? Now I'm going to give you the answer, what would come first naturally is the solution to acceleration of charged particles namely protons and electrons to beyond light speeds, and it's not even rocket science.

Imagine all of the quantum researchers suddenly losing all grants. Imagine if you can all of the 'great' j e w s exposed for what they are, money grubbing frauds who faked data to prop up the single greatest black hole of research money every conceived, an idea that is so ridiculous that it must be claimed at this level of understanding logic or consensus does not need to nor can it exist, it is each mans interpretation that is correct.

This is not science, it's not even half way decent science fiction, it's a flat earth theory of such artificial complexity that no one in the world actually understands it, nor are they supposed to. and I can prove it so don't bother challenging me.

Now on to proving it by scientific experimentation. The answer lies in the geometry of the accelerator. Has it never made you wonder why they are always circles?
Listen up J E W 's
Here is a workable design for a particle accelerator that would actually break the light speed barrier. A series of doughnut shaped electromagnets each connected to a battery by a short conductor are arranged in a perfectly straight line of perhaps ten miles or a bit more using a laser to ensure perfection of alignment.
Since gravity is a factor acting on any particle with mass pulling it downward toward the massive object(in this case the earth), the best possible arrangement would be straight down. since this would require boring a rather large hole ten miles down into the Earth where heat would be extreme and cause conductivity problems due to excessive heating of the conductors involved, the gravity problem would need to be solved in another manner. So let's get to that later, and for now describe how the accelerator would actually work .The electromagnets as previously stated would be designed to have a doughnut shaped configuration, with the most intense part of the magnetic field concentrated in the center of the 'doughnut', so that the charged particle is drawn towards the center of each successive electromagnet. Now comes the tricky part. The timing of the firing of the electromagnets could be controlled by a single computer IF it was designed and programed to compensate for how long it took the signal that fires each successive electromagnet to reach it. Since we know precisely how fast radio waves travel radio control would be the simplest solution. Counter-intuitively, the signal would need to be sent to the farthest electromagnet first and to the electromagnet closest to the computer last. I don't know how many of you can grasp what I am getting at but the idea is to set up a series of electromagnets that fire successively at a rate that exceeds the speed of light. And walla. Introduce an electron into the accelerator and set off the pre programmed firing of the electromagnets using the proper timing and you know what, that electron is going to exceed light speed. Make a perfect vacuum and radically increase the power of the electromagnets and larger and larger objects could be accelerated. the key is in getting the electromagnets to fire with the proper timing so that the series of electromagnets fire in such a way that the firing takes place at a rate that moves down the series of electromagnets faster than the speed of light.. There is still the gravity problem to solve, but let me think about it another hour or so.
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DEBUNK THIS, the reason why all particle accelerators are made in circles is because they are designed to fail intentionally.

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