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Horseshit, an ion is a charged atom and an atom by definition has protons and electrons. A proton is positively charged sub atomic particle, PERIOD.

You're dumbed down idiot.
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An atom can be ionized by adding or removing electrons, which results in a net electrical charge. If all the electons are removed (in the case of hydrogen atom, that means just one electron) you still get an ion. An for hydrogen-1, that removal of the one electron leaves the solitary proton, which is the hydrogen ion. PERIOD.
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A proton is defined as follows:

pro·ton/ˈprōˌtän/
Noun:
A stable subatomic particle occurring in all atomic nuclei, with a positive electric charge equal in magnitude to that of an electron.

Get lost, idiot
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i·on/ˈīən/
Noun:
An atom or molecule with a net electric charge due to the loss or gain of one or more electrons.


You can go on calling proton an ion of hydrogen but you are simply revealing a monkey like intellect combined with an effective dumbing down. A proton cannot be an ion because it is NOT a complete atom
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i·on/ˈīən/
Noun:
An atom or molecule with a net electric charge due to the loss or gain of one or more electrons.


You can go on calling proton an ion of hydrogen but you are simply revealing a monkey like intellect combined with an effective dumbing down. A proton cannot be an ion because it is NOT a complete atom
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A proton is a hydrogen atom that has lost its electron, so it is an ion.
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Gee whiz, enough is enough already. If you have nothing on topic to post , find some other thread to slime
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Gee whiz, enough is enough already. If you have nothing on topic to post , find some other thread to slime
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Thank you for the admission that you were wrong in describing the process of hydrogen losing an electron as "Fission".
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AC17985851 ..... STOP with the idiotic postings !

Just trying to convince yourself ( and others ?) that your ego is in the plus column ?

A proton just happens the be the EXCEPTION to the rule AA is quoting as it is BOTH a positively charge BODY, but by LONG standing tradition is NOT considered an 'ion' of a 'hydrogen' atom, although it could fit a secondary category !

Having taught Chemistry for 20 years, I find your inability to concede the simplest of ground, childish, to say the least !

KISS your Mamma; she MIGHT kiss you BACK ! Take a chance, lol !~
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The most common isotope of hydrogen is protium (name rarely used, symbol 1H) with a single proton and no neutrons.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

A cation (+), from the Greek word katá, meaning "down", is an ion with fewer electrons than protons, giving it a positive charge.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Single Proton = Hydrogen Ion (a positive cation it would seem)


Also, planets with liquid surfaces tend to induce their satellites into regular rather than elliptical orbits over time.
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Nice reasoning there soft sell, but show your deference that states a proton is a an isotope of hydrogen. A proton is a sub atomic particle which is positively charged, it is by no definition a complete atom.

Your argument is so stupid it defies reason
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist 1323590


No one ever said a proton was a complete atom. A proton with a bonded orbital electron is a hydrogen atom. The proton by itself is a hydrogen ion.

There are three long-lived isotopes of hydrogen. Hydrogen-1 has a single proton as its nucleus. Hydrogen-2 (also called deuterium) has a nucleus consisting of a proton and nuetron. Hydrogen-3 (also called tritium) has a nucleus consisting of a proton and two neutrons. It is radioactive and decays to Helium-3 by conversion of a neutron to a proton, with the emission of a beta particle (an electron) and an antineutrino.
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Read my post again. I never suggested in any way that a proton is a complete atom. I was merely providing data confirming exactly what you are stating, and nothing more.

ohno oh yeah! sorry
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Gee whiz, enough is enough already. If you have nothing on topic to post , find some other thread to slime
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Thank you for the admission that you were wrong in describing the process of hydrogen losing an electron as "Fission".
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Fission when describing the processes of nuclear physics is most normally defined as the splitting of the nucleus of an atom , releasing electromagnetic and particle radiation.


HOWEVER, the definition of fission is as follows:

fis·sion/ˈfiSHən/
Noun:
The action of dividing or splitting something into two or more parts

Will you admit you were wrong and that the splitting of an atom of hydrogen into it's two seperate parts is indeed fission of hydrogen?
I am ten times the man you are and have a scientific base of knowledge that makes you look like a brain damaged slug. GET LOST.
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The most common isotope of hydrogen is protium (name rarely used, symbol 1H) with a single proton and no neutrons.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

A cation (+), from the Greek word katá, meaning "down", is an ion with fewer electrons than protons, giving it a positive charge.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Single Proton = Hydrogen Ion (a positive cation it would seem)


Also, planets with liquid surfaces tend to induce their satellites into regular rather than elliptical orbits over time.
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Nice reasoning there soft sell, but show your deference that states a proton is a an isotope of hydrogen. A proton is a sub atomic particle which is positively charged, it is by no definition a complete atom.

Your argument is so stupid it defies reason
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist 1323590


No one ever said a proton was a complete atom. A proton with a bonded orbital electron is a hydrogen atom. The proton by itself is a hydrogen ion.

There are three long-lived isotopes of hydrogen. Hydrogen-1 has a single proton as its nucleus. Hydrogen-2 (also called deuterium) has a nucleus consisting of a proton and nuetron. Hydrogen-3 (also called tritium) has a nucleus consisting of a proton and two neutrons. It is radioactive and decays to Helium-3 by conversion of a neutron to a proton, with the emission of a beta particle (an electron) and an antineutrino.
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist 1323590

Read my post again. I never suggested in any way that a proton is a complete atom. I was merely providing data confirming exactly what you are stating, and nothing more.

ohno oh yeah! sorry
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Do not post quotes apologizing to you under my screen identity again or I will get out my whipping stick and destroy what is left of your infantile ego . You were posting information contrary to what I was saying and you know that was your intent, making you a liar and an impersonator.
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Let me clarify my last post to avoid any further confusion. An ion is a charged atom. A proton is not an atom and therefor cannot be an ion. I can't explain it any simpler than that,
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Nice reasoning there soft sell, but show your deference that states a proton is a an isotope of hydrogen. A proton is a sub atomic particle which is positively charged, it is by no definition a complete atom.

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No one ever said a proton was a complete atom. A proton with a bonded orbital electron is a hydrogen atom. The proton by itself is a hydrogen ion.

There are three long-lived isotopes of hydrogen. Hydrogen-1 has a single proton as its nucleus. Hydrogen-2 (also called deuterium) has a nucleus consisting of a proton and nuetron. Hydrogen-3 (also called tritium) has a nucleus consisting of a proton and two neutrons. It is radioactive and decays to Helium-3 by conversion of a neutron to a proton, with the emission of a beta particle (an electron) and an antineutrino.
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist 1323590

Read my post again. I never suggested in any way that a proton is a complete atom. I was merely providing data confirming exactly what you are stating, and nothing more.

ohno oh yeah! sorry
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Do not post quotes apologizing to you under my screen identity again or I will get out my whipping stick and destroy what is left of your infantile ego . You were posting information contrary to what I was saying and you know that was your intent, making you a liar and an impersonator.
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Ok I admit it, I lied and am just too stupid to see how obvious it is
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cruise
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yes

so, everyone is out to get AA huh.
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It would seem to me that after 12 years of trying to prove me wrong and having no real examples other than a very few misquotes or typos to fall back on, they would give up. What amazes me is how they take this punishment daily and don't figure it out or go crazy.No amount of money is worth making a lying fool out of yourself.
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:yes:

so, everyone is out to get AA huh.
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I know you're a shill and I also know you're not in mexico and probably never have been. Let's leave it at that.
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Single Proton = Hydrogen Ion (a positive cation it would seem)
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Do you deny posting this, soft sell?
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so, everyone is out to get AA huh.
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Actually in an open free speech thread I generally have almost total support. This thread is closed and the evidence is here to prove it. A few people supporting my position are allowed through to create the illusion it is an open thread, but comparing the first 40 pages with the last 40 and the many reports of people being banned after posting in support of me here tells the tale. In a courtroom they call that "proof beyond any reasonable doubt"
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Oops forgot this odd question I had. Can fluorescent lights glow without any power, even when a building's electrical wiring has been cut? It's a long boring story, but thought you might know. Thought maybe there's some weird ionization going on in the atmosphere or something, but idk.
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Hi AA, check this out (from the Assumption thread)

[link to www.fema.gov]

When I read concrete, I thought of your warnings for protection from the flares....and that is a lot of money...
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Hi AA, check this out (from the Assumption thread)

[link to www.fema.gov]

When I read concrete, I thought of your warnings for protection from the flares....and that is a lot of money...
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Let me put it this way, if every community was preparing in a similar manner millions of Americans could be saved, and this is NOT meant to be a tornado shelter from weather, it is just how I suggested I would design a massive radiation resistant bunker.
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Oops forgot this odd question I had. Can fluorescent lights glow without any power, even when a building's electrical wiring has been cut? It's a long boring story, but thought you might know. Thought maybe there's some weird ionization going on in the atmosphere or something, but idk.
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With the high electron flux readings I reported earlier, a breach in the magnetosphere would cause florescent lights to light without power
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Hi AA, check this out (from the Assumption thread)

[link to www.fema.gov]

When I read concrete, I thought of your warnings for protection from the flares....and that is a lot of money...
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Let me put it this way, if every community was preparing in a similar manner millions of Americans could be saved, and this is NOT meant to be a tornado shelter from weather, it is just how I suggested I would design a massive radiation resistant bunker.
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I got to thinking, obviously the money is not there for FEMA to fund these in every community, so why BROWNSVILLE? What is special about Brownsville? Anyone have any ideas? I know there are redoubtably a lot of government offices there given the location, but what else is special about it that FEMA would provide protection at this cost?
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Let me clarify my last post to avoid any further confusion. An ion is a charged atom. A proton is not an atom and therefor cannot be an ion. I can't explain it any simpler than that,
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Agreed. A hydrogen atom separated from it's electron becomes H+ as shown here

[link to m.eb.com]
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Let me clarify my last post to avoid any further confusion. An ion is a charged atom. A proton is not an atom and therefor cannot be an ion. I can't explain it any simpler than that,
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist 1543421


Agreed. A hydrogen atom separated from it's electron becomes H+ as shown here

[link to m.eb.com]
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That link only works with moblie phones, can you post a snip?

H+ is indicative of a positively charged hydrogen ion, and I do not disagree that this is being taught, I just disagree that it is correct, like the person who posted claiming 29 years of experience teaching chemistry. A free proton simply cannot be called an ion. Many things are being taught as fact that are ridiculously obviously false.
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Let me clarify my last post to avoid any further confusion. An ion is a charged atom. A proton is not an atom and therefor cannot be an ion. I can't explain it any simpler than that,
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Agreed. A hydrogen atom separated from it's electron becomes H+ as shown here

[link to m.eb.com]
 Quoting: Elemental


That link only works with moblie phones, can you post a snip?

H+ is indicative of a positively charged hydrogen ion, and I do not disagree that this is being taught, I just disagree that it is correct, like the person who posted claiming 29 years of experience teaching chemistry. A free proton simply cannot be called an ion. Many things are being taught as fact that are ridiculously obviously false.
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.....the nucleus of a hydrogen atom separated from its accompanying electron. The hydrogen nucleus is made up of a particle carrying a unit positive electric charge, called a proton. The isolated hydrogen ion, represented by the symbol H+, is therefore customarily used to represent a proton. Because the bare nucleus can readily combine with other particles (electrons, atoms, and molecules), the isolated hydrogen ion can exist only in a nearly particle-free space (high vacuum) and in the gaseous state.
In common usage, the term hydrogen ion is used to refer to the hydrogen ion present in water solutions, in which it exists as the combined molecule H+·H2O.
The formula H+·H2O is also commonly written as H3O+ and denotes the hydronium or oxonium ion. The amount of hydrogen ion present in a water solution is used as a measure of the acidity of a substance; the higher the concentration of hydrogen ion the more acidic the solution and the lower the pH. See also pH.
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Let me clarify my last post to avoid any further confusion. An ion is a charged atom. A proton is not an atom and therefor cannot be an ion. I can't explain it any simpler than that,
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist 1543421


Agreed. A hydrogen atom separated from it's electron becomes H+ as shown here

[link to m.eb.com]
 Quoting: Elemental


That link only works with moblie phones, can you post a snip?

H+ is indicative of a positively charged hydrogen ion, and I do not disagree that this is being taught, I just disagree that it is correct, like the person who posted claiming 29 years of experience teaching chemistry. A free proton simply cannot be called an ion. Many things are being taught as fact that are ridiculously obviously false.
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.....the nucleus of a hydrogen atom separated from its accompanying electron. The hydrogen nucleus is made up of a particle carrying a unit positive electric charge, called a proton. The isolated hydrogen ion, represented by the symbol H+, is therefore customarily used to represent a proton. Because the bare nucleus can readily combine with other particles (electrons, atoms, and molecules), the isolated hydrogen ion can exist only in a nearly particle-free space (high vacuum) and in the gaseous state.
In common usage, the term hydrogen ion is used to refer to the hydrogen ion present in water solutions, in which it exists as the combined molecule H+·H2O.
The formula H+·H2O is also commonly written as H3O+ and denotes the hydronium or oxonium ion. The amount of hydrogen ion present in a water solution is used as a measure of the acidity of a substance; the higher the concentration of hydrogen ion the more acidic the solution and the lower the pH. See also pH.
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This 'custom' obviously needs to be done away with because it is technically incorrect. An ion is a charge molecule or atom, and a proton is obviously not an atom because it is defined as a sub atomic particle.
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Hi
I have no internet this morning. Posting from my phone.
I will get the news posted when I get connected again.
Sorry everyone for the delay.
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Ok all good now.

Hello Everyone,

Hope all is well.


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AA - Pls see the video link from this poster. MSM is now talking about the pole shift. Though the article is not very clear and looks very suspecious. Dont blame me for the poor quality of the report.
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H30 IS in fact an ion of the water molecule. It has an extra proton giving it a positive charge, and it meets the definition of an ion.

However, a proton is a sub atomic particle and the H+ designation represents what is supposed to be both an proton and a positive ion of hydrogen. This is incorrect. An ion is defined as a charged atom or molecule and a proton as a sub atomic particle. Sub atomic means it is not a complete atom. The concentration of H3O ions in water determines the PH of the water, but an un bonded proton IS NOT AN ION.


This dumbing down is intentional.

As most of you who have a certain level of intelligence and who received a traditional academic 'education' as a science major probably noticed, there are endless discrepancies and inconsistencies taught in the various disciplines.

As a prime example, in chemistry when one writes a balanced equation of an oxidation reduction reaction, the electromagnetic energy given off in the form of heat and light MUST be represented by an electron symbol, there are NO PHOTONS IN CHEMISTRY.

But when you cross the hall to physics lecture, the energy released in such a reaction MUST be described as photons. The photon was postulated out of thin air with no evidence to explain (without actually doing so) the wave/particle duality paradox of light.

BUT, it is an inescapable fact that the 'photon' defies the basic laws of physics by possessing energy and momentum without mass. This is simply not possible Mass and relative motion are BOTH components of Kinetic energy and momentum, this is basic PROVED physics.

The theory I wrote, "The Electromechanical Theory of Electromagnetic Radiation" , explains not only the wave/particle duality paradox of light succinctly, it also provides simple mathematical equations that explain why the higher frequencies of electromagnetic energy (known generically as light in physics regardless of frequency) can transmit more energy at equal amplitudes.

No one has ever attempted to disqualify this theory, though it is falsifiable hundreds of different ways experimentally.

A goal I set for myself before my death was to dethrone the fraudulent "God Of Science", Albert Einstein.
Unfortunately, I have met with an organized conspiracy to systematically suppress any theory which would provide a real, uncomplicated disqualification of quantum physics and its origin, special and general relativity, both of which are complex nonsense fictions that are self disqualifying by the many unexplained paradoxes they produce and the fact that no consensus whatsoever exists among even two people in the world on what these theories actually mean.


I believe this to be the result of the placement of Jewish gatekeepers in both academic and publishing positions who systematically suppress, oppress, and in some cases kill individuals who attempt to expose this huge fraud. The purpose isn't really all of that hard to understand, as long as this un-penetrable stumbling block exists, the human race will remain enslaved.

For those of you who doubt what I have just told you, I suggest you read about Nicola Tesla. This man is the father of ALL MODERN ELECTRONICS, and goes completely unrecognized because he was a 'Gentile" Serbian. You will frequently hear jews claim modern computers and such were made possible by quantum physics, but they can't explain how and the truth is every single component in it that makes it work was developed by Nicola Tesla.


Despite the magnificent advancements he made in the world of electronics and empiricism based science in general, he died penniless and government goons seized his work and whisked it away.

Some day my theories will be recognized as fact, and Nicola Tesla recognized as the true father of modern scientific achievement, but it's going to take a revolution to remove Jewish gatekeepers permanently and this is what will free the human race from its current bondage empowered by deception and oppression of truth.

THIS COMPLETES MY RAVE FOR TONIGHT
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

idw...
`As a prime example, in chemistry when one writes a balanced equation of an oxidation reduction reaction, the electromagnetic energy given off in the form of heat and light MUST be represented by an electron symbol, there are NO PHOTONS IN CHEMISTRY.'

I seriously don't know if this is an attempt at humour, or if it is a a rather poor twisting of words to attempt to mislead people
either way it seems to be an idw trait to misrepresent things....
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For those of you who doubt what I have just told you, I suggest you read about Nicola Tesla. This man is the father of ALL MODERN ELECTRONICS, and goes completely unrecognized because he was a 'Gentile" Serbian.
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Tesla was born in Smijlan wasn't he??
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I have a question for the solar savvy. I've not been the only one paying attention to the weirdness of the sun lately. I suspect it's even causing some physical symptoms but that's not my question.

I have a little solar 'dancing sunflower' on my desk at work. I have recessed flourescent lights and a compact fleurescent lamp on my desk. There is no sunlight. Generally it doesn't dance but only manages a twitch under these conditions but today it's going faster. I have no idea what wavelengths it responds to and no sophisticated comprehension of solar events but what could come through a metal building with complete cloud cover to increase its movement?
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