WARNING: SOLAR DATA PAGE COMPLETELY CENSORED,DATA ON OTHER SOURCES BEING FABRICATED!

IOW, you have no answer.

He was also claiming the Maya stretched far into South America, too. Won't the scholars and archaeologists (not to exclude the Maya themselves!) be surprised...

I don't really give a rats ass who or what you believe, I think I have made myself crystal clear on that subject.

Perhaps. And that is why you should become MUCH more proficient in *providing supporting evidence.*

Your link to the Solar Images was a good start, I must admit.

Actually there is evidence the Mayans and Inca traded with Egypt since cocaine has been found in copious quantities in many Egyptian mummies, as has evidence of tobacco usage..The Extent of the Mayan empire is not firmly established , as their artifacts are found all over south and north america. Think about it in these terms, how far does the US empire extend? Into Afghanistan and South Korea? or not?
Have a nice day now!

I am sorry I thought you were smart enought to understand that when I said you can work BACKWARDS or FORWARD, using the date -3113 that if your numbers going backwards didnt end up with the astronomical year -3113 then the NASA "schills" were lying. Simple math for you.

Still no Empire.

Simple fact is the Maya were never even politically united.
Greece, not Rome.

How many times would you have to admit i was right in contradiction to yourself if you were totally honest? My only mistake was in doing exactly what I warned everyone else not to do, which I admit was a somewhat colossal blunder on my part, but I learn from my mistakes and shall not make the same one again.

The date -3113 is meaningless to this discussion unless you can offer definitive proof it is the start date of the Mayan long count, and YOU CANNOT.

Gee whiz boys. And BTW, I don't call these people shills, a shill is someone who tried to sell an idea or product while pretending not to have any interest one way or another. The proper nomenclature is "disinformation operative"

74444---you should have actually done a search you would find that he just throws stuff out there with the hopes you dont dig further.

I assume that he was talking about this image taken from the 20th.

[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]

Because on the 21st it was off to the right.

[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]

Please show evidence of this claim, after all I do not believe what I am told without proof.



Hm. The maps I found looked pretty definitive. Please show evidence of your claims that the Maya's civilization extent was not firmly established.




Please name ten Mayan artifacts discovered in South America.




I hate to tell you this, but traveling in those days was a hair different form the way it is today. Unless, of course, you are claiming the Mayans had nigh-supersonic tunneling machines as well...

And that is why you should become MUCH more proficient in *providing supporting evidence.
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You know how to use the internet, don't you? You claim to work in IT, why do I need to hold your hand?

Thank you for the links. I stand corrected. I was trying to play the videos, but got the 'unavailable' message. I then proceeded to use the others, which showed sunspots, and started playing with other dates. But I did not notice that the spot had already passed by the 21st.

Thank you for the correction.

Jesus man you are dumb as a box of rocks. Take the date 12-21-2012 and using astronomical years go backwards 13 b'ak'tuns. If it doesnt end up with 3113 then everyone is wrong and you are right. If it does end up with 3113 you are wrong. The mayan calendar is simple to use. 13 b'ak'tuns is 13 times 144,000 earth days. You cant change that number. To figure out when it starts go backwards. If for some reason when you go backwards you dont get the astronomical year 3113 then the start date everyone is giving you is off, and the date 12-21-2012 is wrong for the end.

Because *YOU MADE THE CLAIM.* Therefore *YOU PROVIDE THE SUPPORTING EVIDENCE.*

How many times must this be explained to you?

This is all way off topic but I will do this just to bitchslap you. Here is an article showing somewhat the widespread dispersion of Mayan artifacts:


[link to archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com]

You are simply not intelligent enough to realize the simple error in logic you are making and I doubt I or anyone else can explain it to you, 144,000 days is the only given we have.

The above link is yet again another example of NASA altering data for a specific reason, and this is the reason why the data is missing from the MDI continuum on the SOHO page.

Thanks, but on December 21st at 11:11 est Spaceweather .com displayed the sunspot in the exact center of the Suns disk, as confirmed my the magnetogram.

I have no such responsibility whatsoever. You can do your own research or not, it's best if you find it yourself where it comes to convincing you, and it isn't that difficult for a 10 year old to use a search engine. If I tell you a sunspot was in the center of the Suns disk on december 21st at 11:11 am EST, IT WAS. That is what is called credibility and it is EARNED through consistent honesty,

That article does not seem to support your claim. The fact that there was a mass exodus from the Mayan Highlands around 900 AD to the North, that may have stretched even as far as Georgia is quite interesting, but doesn't help your case. To wit: Georgia is still in the Northern Hemisphere, last I checked.

Your contention is that the calendar start date might be the Southern Solstice instead of the Northern Solstice. Given the fact that the entirety of Mayan civilization was quite North of the equator, this seems like a stretch.

So, please name ten Mayan artifacts discovered in South America, or admit you can't.

So you do not believe the start date of 3113 then is what you are saying. If that is the case then you are correct there is no way to solve. Using that scenario then the end of the mayan calendar could have passed 100 years ago or could still be 100 years away. Fair enough.

No. And your credibility has been thoroughly shattered since your 98.5% prediction fizzled on the 21st.

Your credibility is at zero. And notice I am not questioning your honesty -- I think you might believe what you are saying. But you also may be hopelessly mistaken, or suffering from flavors of confirmation bias.

Therefore, your word is never going to be enough, nor should it ever be. You make a claim, you provide evidence for said claim, you provide the link, you provide the footnote, you provide the bibliography. That's the way it works, if you want to be taken seriously by anyone.

After all, if *I* made such a claim to you, you would demand similar, if not reject what I'm saying altogether. Why should I behave any differently? Why should you or your claims get any preferential treatment -- particularly NOW?

If you go to your source at space weather.com using the 21st as the date you get the following:

[link to www.spaceweather.com]

Now mouse over the image of the daily sun and look at the http link, it gives you the actual date of that photo, so what you were looking at on spaceweather.com was actually taken on the 20th, so even your own link was a day behind.

Note the new link(the date is in the link)

[link to www.spaceweather.com]

I think we can safely assume the Mayans traded and traveled well into south America considering the evidence in Egypt, and I am sure I could find proof but I am fielding too many disinfo ops now to do it for you now as is the common methodology used by your group.

The only problem is I made no such contention, I simply stated the Mayan long count ends on a solstice.

If that is so them your mission is complete, why are you still here?

Read the thread title, SLOWLY THIS TIME

Hm, convenient. I don't think I can safely assume ANYTHING you are claiming, but I certainly can be patient. Take your time digging up said evidence, but until you do, people should be mighty skeptical of your claim about the Mayans in South America.



All right, so can we safely agree that the idea of the Mayan Long Count going from Solstice to Solstice in the SOUTHERN hemisphere is unlikely in the extreme?

I have no mission. Again, this is really quite enjoyable for me.

Again, I have no mission. This is simply really quite enjoyable, and somewhat fascinating for me.

Oops, sorry for the double post. Strange little hiccup there.