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and then you applaud a fellow shill who provides mathematical 'proof' it can happen.
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You have yet to show where the calculations are wrong or part of a conspiracy. Fail boat, I like that. Keep rowing that fail boat IDW.
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Actually when you get to thinking about it, it seems likely the most probable reason for it is that the moons orbit is no longer five degrees off the ecliptic, but right on it, probably forced into that orbit by forces in the glactic plane. This would explain the smilie face moonrise transforming gradually into what appears to be an almost normal moon as the night wears on, WE ARE SEEING A PARTIAL LUNAR ECLIPSE WHEN WE SEE THIS SMILIE FACE MOON RISE because the earth is coming between the sun and the moon as it rises!

THIS is the answer
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and then you applaud a fellow shill who provides mathematical 'proof' it can happen.
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You have yet to show where the calculations are wrong or part of a conspiracy. Fail boat, I like that. Keep rowing that fail boat IDW.
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When you are exposed, post a distracting photograph. Right out of the handbook. The jews use cartoons, I guess you aren't a jew. But you lick their nuts, might as well be one.
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and then you applaud a fellow shill who provides mathematical 'proof' it can happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous astrophysicist 1304066


You have yet to show where the calculations are wrong or part of a conspiracy. Fail boat, I like that. Keep rowing that fail boat IDW.
boatfail
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When you are exposed, post a distracting photograph. Right out of the handbook. The jews use cartoons, I guess you aren't a jew. But you lick their nuts, might as well be one.
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I'm not the one hanging from my own failboat. I'm still waiting for you to show where my calculations are wrong or a conspiracy. Chop chop! You better get to it, because others are clearly seeing how "exposed" you are right now!
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WE ARE SEEING A PARTIAL LUNAR ECLIPSE WHEN WE SEE THIS SMILIE FACE MOON RISE because the earth is coming between the sun and the moon as it rises!

THIS is the answer
 Quoting: Anonymous astrophysicist 1304066


picardpalm

Words can't begin to express how ridiculous that is. Here's a really simply fact of how wrong you are; that's not what the shape of the earth's shadow would look like, which has a much more gradual curvature ( [link to i319.photobucket.com] ) and in such a situation there wouldn't be shadows in the craters outside the darkened portion (as seen above). Yet that is exactly what we see: [link to www.flickr.com]
And do tell, how does this happen when the moon is not opposite from the sun in the sky?

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and then you applaud a fellow shill who provides mathematical 'proof' it can happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous astrophysicist 1304066


You have yet to show where the calculations are wrong or part of a conspiracy. Fail boat, I like that. Keep rowing that fail boat IDW.
boatfail
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When you are exposed, post a distracting photograph. Right out of the handbook. The jews use cartoons, I guess you aren't a jew. But you lick their nuts, might as well be one.
 Quoting: Anonymous astrophysicist 1304066


I'm not the one hanging from my own failboat. I'm still waiting for you to show where my calculations are wrong or a conspiracy. Chop chop! You better get to it, because others are clearly seeing how "exposed" you are right now!
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


And by the way, just to remind you, you claimed I was too stupid to produce such calculations.
Don't know why you dug this thread up...
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Oh you'll see, and you won't be happy about it.
but why not address this post..?
 Quoting: waterbug

Because it's irrelevant, precession is known and a normal effect of tidal forces.
Then tell me how accurate you could be without consulting the information provided by JPL, USNO and NASA.
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Quite accurate. More accurate than you can see by eye. And yes, I'm working on something related to the thread's subject.
Then tell me how you could ever verify if fudged data were given.
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By comparing to my own astrometric measurements...
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Horseshit, you're a fucking moron and too stupid to do any such thing, blowhard.
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Well, you were wrong. So now that I did, it's time for you to put up or shut up. Where are those calculations wrong or a "conspiracy?"
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WOW! Got all the bases covered, huh?
I've seen the perfectly horizontal 'smilie face' moonrise myself literally dozens of times and in the summer as well as winter. It has been reported all over the world, there are dozens of threads about it on this website alone, AND THE SAME SHILLS ARE WORKING THE THREADS. UN FREAKING BELIEVABLE! No fucking shame!

The terminator on the face of the almost full moon tonight is nearly perfectly vertical, which in of itself is not normal for late February. Here at 32 degrees N latitude we should be seeing an approximate 40 degree angle on the terminator this time of year
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What do you mean it isn't normal for late February? Where should it and the moon be exactly?
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When you are exposed, post a distracting photograph. Right out of the handbook. The jews use cartoons, I guess you aren't a jew. But you lick their nuts, might as well be one.
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When did you expose him? You have yet to answer any of his questions or prove that any of his calculations are wrong. Instead, you claim he's a paid shill....and THAT is right out of the woo-woo playbook. Chapter 2 I believe.
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Actually when you get to thinking about it, it seems likely the most probable reason for it is that the moons orbit is no longer five degrees off the ecliptic, but right on it, probably forced into that orbit by forces in the glactic plane. This would explain the smilie face moonrise transforming gradually into what appears to be an almost normal moon as the night wears on, WE ARE SEEING A PARTIAL LUNAR ECLIPSE WHEN WE SEE THIS SMILIE FACE MOON RISE because the earth is coming between the sun and the moon as it rises!

THIS is the answer
 Quoting: Anonymous astrophysicist 1304066


Oh, my. The self proclaimed Astrophysicist with the super-genius I.Q. **doesn't know how Moon phases work,** nor, apparently, how a lunar eclipse works, either.

Priceless.


The only possible explanation of the changes that have been observed is if the moon is no longer orbiting the barycenter of the Earth -moon dual planet system or it has changed it's inclination of orbit to the ecliptic and has been pulled into a substantially different orbit by some as of yet unexplained force that has changed significant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist 1304066


Were that the case, how can GOTO telescopes track it? Surely such a motion would be utterly unpredictable, and fly in the face of Newtonian Mechanics, which underlies the entire GOTO concept.

No one who uses a telescope to view the moon uses a 'goto' program to do it, that would be asinine since it is clearly visible and much easier to simply point the telescope at it manually.
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Oh? Pray, how would the telescope track it for more than a few minutes, then, particularly at high magnifications? You can set up a GOTO and it will track the Moon so you don't have to readjust every few minutes, and will follow it all night (and even into the day, if you want). How is it doing this, particularly when you are, say, way zoomed in watching the terminator, or particular features ON the Moon?

In short: How does the telescope KNOW?

I have shown as have my adversaries mounds of evidence that software from telescopes is periodically updated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist 1304066


I have given you links and information and examples directly contradicting you. The information you referenced also said nothing about changing existing motions or standard assumptions, but merely about adding new objects to the database and bug fixes. Once again, Celestron hasn't offered a patch since 2007. You have also failed to address how old starguides, starwheels, pre-GOTO telescopes, and even sextants could still be tracking and working given a supposed unpredictable sky. Until you can address these observations which directly and provably contradict your claim, your idea remains mere fantasy.


I have also shown with proof from a majpr observatory that major observatories allign their telescopes nightly by mapping the position of celestial objects so they can use their mechanized 'goto' systems to observe particular areas of space.
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Were there unpredictable motion of the Earth, **how would the telescope know how to compensate?**

Even *if* they lined up their scopes every night, were they off by a *fraction* of a degree, astrophotography would be impossible, because the *assumptions* built into the telescope would be wrong. How can you not understand this, particularly claiming that you are a supposed astrophysicist?


Small computer guided telescopes use exactly the same methodology.I was answered with nothing but pure unadulterated horse manure that conflicted with the information the disinfo ops themselves had presented, which is paradoxical to me.
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The only paradoxes that have been presented have been your own. How can guides like the 1966 Pictorial Astronomy still be correct if the Earth or Moon were moving in any unpredicted ways?
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Inability to even acknowledge these gigantic blunders of yours noted, IDW/A.A. My sides hurt again from laughing.

Well, you had your chance. List updated. Have a nice day.
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Wow, gang team on AA/IDW. I almost feel sorry for AA. If AA truely believes his posts, well, I guess that's OK. Still, I must say, no proof has been offered, and there are too many failed predictions to give this thread credance.
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Don't worry, AA, by the time we reach the end of March 2013, Astro mutt won't be posting on your thread any longer.
Thread: Just conducted a new research on annual big quakes that happened since 2010. August 20-30 2014???

Thread: Russian scientist predicts "Massive Earthquake" to hit Japan by end of 2014!!!

"For 2 consecutive years, lots of rumors concerning big earthquakes and pole shifts caused by a celestial object to occur around the date of August 17 has been circulating on the internet from sources like John Moore and Mike Harris (Nibiru Aug 17 2012) and Pattie Brassard (Mag 15 quake Aug 17 2013).....Is there in any way a chance that the real date could actually be this year? .....August 17-27 2014????" ----Solar Guardian
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Don't worry, AA, by the time we reach the end of March 2013, Astro mutt won't be posting on your thread any longer.
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How much are you willing to bet on that?
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I've seen the perfectly horizontal 'smilie face' moonrise myself literally dozens of times and in the summer as well as winter. It has been reported all over the world, there are dozens of threads about it on this website alone, AND THE SAME SHILLS ARE WORKING THE THREADS. UN FREAKING BELIEVABLE! No fucking shame!
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But not one image to prove it actually happened. yawn
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Here at 32 degrees N latitude we should be seeing an approximate 40 degree angle on the terminator this time of year
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Are you not aware that the orientation of the moon compared to your horizon changes on a constant basis?
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It would seem I have found evidence that the Gregorian calender was intentionally manipulated and a year simply left out in 1752. Why this was done is a mystery to me but the most obvious reason seems to be so w would not know what year it actually was. It is evidence that a conspiracy to do so could cover up such a thing as the actual year, and my guess is they did the same thing with the Mayan calender, promoting falsely an end date
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Here at 32 degrees N latitude we should be seeing an approximate 40 degree angle on the terminator this time of year
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Are you not aware that the orientation of the moon compared to your horizon changes on a constant basis?
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Good lord, what a stupidshill shitstorm
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Don't worry, AA, by the time we reach the end of March 2013, Astro mutt won't be posting on your thread any longer.
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How much are you willing to bet on that?
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I refuse as I said before to make specific predictions or give an actual 'end date' and I outlined my reasons.

Suffice it to say by the time a year is up you will be feeding the maggots. The people who pay you think less of you than I do, and you have made so many enemies when control is lost I am sure someone will look you up.
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Here at 32 degrees N latitude we should be seeing an approximate 40 degree angle on the terminator this time of year
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Are you not aware that the orientation of the moon compared to your horizon changes on a constant basis?
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Good lord, what a stupidshill shitstorm
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Yes, you have been putting out a shitstorm, but I am attempting to see past that and get something concrete and intelligible out of you. You talk about an "angle on the terminator this time of year" as if the moon's orientation in the sky doesn't change from one hour to the next.
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I've seen the perfectly horizontal 'smilie face' moonrise myself literally dozens of times and in the summer as well as winter. It has been reported all over the world, there are dozens of threads about it on this website alone, AND THE SAME SHILLS ARE WORKING THE THREADS. UN FREAKING BELIEVABLE! No fucking shame!
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But not one image to prove it actually happened. yawn
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NOTE: No response and no image showing the alleged "perfectly horizontal 'smilie face' moonrise". yawn
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Here at 32 degrees N latitude we should be seeing an approximate 40 degree angle on the terminator this time of year
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Are you not aware that the orientation of the moon compared to your horizon changes on a constant basis?
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Good lord, what a stupidshill shitstorm
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yep.....but you beat them every time AA......your logic is undeniable.....

Even when they tag team you, they fail......
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Here at 32 degrees N latitude we should be seeing an approximate 40 degree angle on the terminator this time of year
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Are you not aware that the orientation of the moon compared to your horizon changes on a constant basis?
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Good lord, what a stupidshill shitstorm
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yep.....but you beat them every time AA......your logic is undeniable.....

Even when they tag team you, they fail......
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Im case you didn't notice, they beat themselves to death with their own stupidity. One was posting 'calculations' claiming a horizontal moonrise was a normal occurrence and another is denying it every happened challenging me to post picts of it, i really don;t know where they get these guys but I have no need to defeat them, they do it all by themselves. If I posted a pict I took last night they would claim it was an eclipse from another date with a false time stamp. You can't beat moron at it's own game.. Thats why I let them do themselves, they do a solid job
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Here at 32 degrees N latitude we should be seeing an approximate 40 degree angle on the terminator this time of year
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Are you not aware that the orientation of the moon compared to your horizon changes on a constant basis?
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Good lord, what a stupidshill shitstorm
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Yes, you have been putting out a shitstorm, but I am attempting to see past that and get something concrete and intelligible out of you. You talk about an "angle on the terminator this time of year" as if the moon's orientation in the sky doesn't change from one hour to the next.
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PS: Or from one location on Earth to another. What you are saying seems to neglect to take into consideration several important factors. No wonder you think something is "wrong" with the orientation of the moon in the sky.

How about taking an astronomy class sometime?
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You talk about an "angle on the terminator this time of year" as if the moon's orientation in the sky doesn't change from one hour to the next.
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At moonrise a very precise angle of the terminator should be easy to calculate at any given location and date. THIS IS IS PRESENTLY NOT THE CASE. As a person who has spent my whole 52 years observing nature, I know the patterns pretty well
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Are you not aware that the orientation of the moon compared to your horizon changes on a constant basis?
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Good lord, what a stupidshill shitstorm
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

yep.....but you beat them every time AA......your logic is undeniable.....

Even when they tag team you, they fail......
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Im case you didn't notice, they beat themselves to death with their own stupidity. One was posting 'calculations' claiming a horizontal moonrise was a normal occurrence and another is denying it every happened challenging me to post picts of it, i really don;t know where they get these guys but I have no need to defeat them, they do it all by themselves. If I posted a pict I took last night they would claim it was an eclipse from another date with a false time stamp. You can't beat moron at it's own game.. Thats why I let them do themselves, they do a solid job
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And yet given the choice of providing a counter argument to either one, you fail to come up with anything other than rambling obfuscation. By the way, I didn't "deny it happened" at all. I simply challenged you to provide evidence showing what you claim took place. Funny how you can't do that- hilarious, in fact, since you want people to "explain" something you can't even show a picture of.
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You talk about an "angle on the terminator this time of year" as if the moon's orientation in the sky doesn't change from one hour to the next.
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At moonrise a very precise angle of the terminator should be easy to calculate at any given location and date.
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715


OK, fine. What calculations have you done showing what the precise angle of the terminator SHOULD BE, as opposed to what we are seeing?

THIS IS IS PRESENTLY NOT THE CASE. As a person who has spent my whole 52 years observing nature, I know the patterns pretty well
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Uh... no... you said "easy to calculate". Let's go with that, rather than your memory of the patterns. Calculate away. You have the floor.
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You talk about an "angle on the terminator this time of year" as if the moon's orientation in the sky doesn't change from one hour to the next.
 Quoting: Menow 636186


At moonrise a very precise angle of the terminator should be easy to calculate at any given location and date. THIS IS IS PRESENTLY NOT THE CASE. As a person who has spent my whole 52 years observing nature, I know the patterns pretty well
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715


By the way... what is wrong with the calculations already presented, here, just a page or so back?
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And yet given the choice of providing a counter argument to either one, you fail to come up with anything....

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Arguing with stupid idiot is the folly of fools, you cannot win.
By the way, I didn't "deny it happened" at all.
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You haven't said anything. It is amazing how shills can post pages of posts and never say a single thing you can pin them down with. If you aren't denying it, what is your point?


I simply challenged you to provide evidence showing what you claim took place. Funny how you can't do that-
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Actually I can, as I said there are literally hundreds of people and perhaps two dozen threads on this subject on this forum alone.I also provided a link to website earlier that clearly showed images that illustrate the effect, apparently you "missed" them?
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You talk about an "angle on the terminator this time of year" as if the moon's orientation in the sky doesn't change from one hour to the next.
 Quoting: Menow 636186


At moonrise a very precise angle of the terminator should be easy to calculate at any given location and date. THIS IS IS PRESENTLY NOT THE CASE. As a person who has spent my whole 52 years observing nature, I know the patterns pretty well
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715


By the way... what is wrong with the calculations already presented, here, just a page or so back?
 Quoting: Menow 636186


It is impossible to get a horizontal terminator at moonrise any time of year south of the 60the latitude unless it is a lunar eclipse. It's basic math. 23 degrees of "tilt is the maximum possible deviation from vertical due to the tilt of the axis of the earth and the declination of the moons orbit from the ecliptic of 5 derees added to the latitude gives us the maximum angle from vertical the terminator can portend at moonrise.
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And yet given the choice of providing a counter argument to either one, you fail to come up with anything....

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Arguing with stupid idiot is the folly of fools, you cannot win.
By the way, I didn't "deny it happened" at all.
 Quoting: Minnow dick

You haven't said anything. It is amazing how shills can post pages of posts and never say a single thing you can pin them down with. If you aren't denying it, what is your point?
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715


I asked you to show evidence proving that the "anomaly" you want someone to explain actually took place. That's my simple and obvious point. What is there to "explain" if you don't show wtf you are even talking about?

I simply challenged you to provide evidence showing what you claim took place. Funny how you can't do that-
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Actually I can, as I said there are literally hundreds of people and perhaps two dozen threads on this subject on this forum alone. I also provided a link to website earlier that clearly showed images that illustrate the effect, apparently you "missed" them?
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715


Yes, apparently I did miss that link. Kindly provide the link again showing a "perfectly horizontal terminator on a rising moon".
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You talk about an "angle on the terminator this time of year" as if the moon's orientation in the sky doesn't change from one hour to the next.
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At moonrise a very precise angle of the terminator should be easy to calculate at any given location and date. THIS IS IS PRESENTLY NOT THE CASE. As a person who has spent my whole 52 years observing nature, I know the patterns pretty well
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By the way... what is wrong with the calculations already presented, here, just a page or so back?
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It is impossible to get a horizontal terminator at moonrise any time of year south of the 60the latitude unless it is a lunar eclipse. It's basic math. 23 degrees of "tilt is the maximum possible deviation from vertical due to the tilt of the axis of the earth and the declination of the moons orbit from the ecliptic of 5 derees added to the latitude gives us the maximum angle from vertical the terminator can portend at moonrise.
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That is not responsive to my question. REPEAT: By the way... what is wrong with the calculations already presented, here, just a page or so back?

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