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You talk about an "angle on the terminator this time of year" as if the moon's orientation in the sky doesn't change from one hour to the next.
Quoting: Menow 636186

At moonrise a very precise angle of the terminator should be easy to calculate at any given location and date. THIS IS IS PRESENTLY NOT THE CASE. As a person who has spent my whole 52 years observing nature, I know the patterns pretty well
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

By the way... what is wrong with the calculations already presented, here, just a page or so back?
Quoting: Menow 636186

It is impossible to get a horizontal terminator at moonrise any time of year south of the 60the latitude unless it is a lunar eclipse. It's basic math. 23 degrees of "tilt is the maximum possible deviation from vertical due to the tilt of the axis of the earth and the declination of the moons orbit from the ecliptic of 5 derees added to the latitude gives us the maximum angle from vertical the terminator can portend at moonrise.
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

So, why don't you show that this allegedly "impossible" event actually took place?

You have now given three different "maximum tilt" figures: 42 degrees, 22 degrees and 23 degrees. Which is it?
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Arguing with stupid idiot is the folly of fools, you cannot win.
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

That's your best excuse for not providing photo evidence showing what you claim has happened "dozens of times"?
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You talk about an "angle on the terminator this time of year" as if the moon's orientation in the sky doesn't change from one hour to the next.
Quoting: Menow 636186

At moonrise a very precise angle of the terminator should be easy to calculate at any given location and date. THIS IS IS PRESENTLY NOT THE CASE. As a person who has spent my whole 52 years observing nature, I know the patterns pretty well
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

By the way... what is wrong with the calculations already presented, here, just a page or so back?
Quoting: Menow 636186

It is impossible to get a horizontal terminator at moonrise any time of year south of the 60the latitude unless it is a lunar eclipse. It's basic math.
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

False. Basic math indeed:

Given that the apparent equatorial coordinates of the center point of the moon for 1/31/1971 at 2:45 UT were RA: 0h 19m 56.15s Dec: 6d 6' 0.83" (precessed to that date) and given that the moon is approximately half a degree wide in the sky, what were the approximate equatorial coordinates of the northern-most point of the moon on the equatorial grid at that time? Now, that was the easy part. The more challenging question is this, but if you're really better than I am this should not pose a problem for you; what is the apparent azimuth that corresponds to the above coordinates for the center point AND the northernmost point at the above time for the location 28.6084N 80.6043W? What is the difference in those two azimuth angles? At this point you should be starting to see with some degree of horror just how incredibly wrong you are. But to find the exact angle of the moon's terminator relative to the horizon you need to do lots more. For one thing, you need to calculate the position-angle of the moon's bright limb, but for now let's see how you get along with the answers to the above questions...

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At moonrise a very precise angle of the terminator should be easy to calculate at any given location and date. THIS IS IS PRESENTLY NOT THE CASE. As a person who has spent my whole 52 years observing nature, I know the patterns pretty well
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

By the way... what is wrong with the calculations already presented, here, just a page or so back?
Quoting: Menow 636186

It is impossible to get a horizontal terminator at moonrise any time of year south of the 60the latitude unless it is a lunar eclipse. It's basic math.
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

False. Basic math indeed:

Given that the apparent equatorial coordinates of the center point of the moon for 1/31/1971 at 2:45 UT were RA: 0h 19m 56.15s Dec: 6d 6' 0.83" (precessed to that date) and given that the moon is approximately half a degree wide in the sky, what were the approximate equatorial coordinates of the northern-most point of the moon on the equatorial grid at that time? Now, that was the easy part. The more challenging question is this, but if you're really better than I am this should not pose a problem for you; what is the apparent azimuth that corresponds to the above coordinates for the center point AND the northernmost point at the above time for the location 28.6084N 80.6043W? What is the difference in those two azimuth angles? At this point you should be starting to see with some degree of horror just how incredibly wrong you are. But to find the exact angle of the moon's terminator relative to the horizon you need to do lots more. For one thing, you need to calculate the position-angle of the moon's bright limb, but for now let's see how you get along with the answers to the above questions...
Quoting: Dr. Astro

There is absolutely no complex calculations or need to over complicate this issue. True genius explains in the simplest terms , not complicates to appear intelligent..True genius has no need to pretend.
I showed you precisely in very simple terms why the observations that have been seen all around the world are not possible at the latitudes they are occurring unless the moons orbit has changed. BY using terms like azimuth and "position-angle" of the moons limb, you prove to everyone you are not a genius nor even above average intelligence, but a copy paste parrot.
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Arguing with stupid idiot is the folly of fools, you cannot win.
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

That's your best excuse for not providing photo evidence showing what you claim has happened "dozens of times"?
Quoting: Menow 636186

It has not happened dozens of times, it is occurring on regular basis. It will happen again tonight.

The explanation I set forth is the only possible explanation since the moon is still rising in the East and setting in the west. If the moons orbit of the Earth were to become aligned with the ecliptic, lunar eclipses at moonrise would be very common, and they are, and that is why as the night wears on the moon returns to normal.
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By the way, how is that GLP observatory coming, genius astronomer? I heard you fucked up them telescopes so bad the manufacturers refused to honor the warranties, and yes I have my sources.

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By the way... what is wrong with the calculations already presented, here, just a page or so back?
Quoting: Menow 636186

It is impossible to get a horizontal terminator at moonrise any time of year south of the 60the latitude unless it is a lunar eclipse. It's basic math.
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

False. Basic math indeed:

Given that the apparent equatorial coordinates of the center point of the moon for 1/31/1971 at 2:45 UT were RA: 0h 19m 56.15s Dec: 6d 6' 0.83" (precessed to that date) and given that the moon is approximately half a degree wide in the sky, what were the approximate equatorial coordinates of the northern-most point of the moon on the equatorial grid at that time? Now, that was the easy part. The more challenging question is this, but if you're really better than I am this should not pose a problem for you; what is the apparent azimuth that corresponds to the above coordinates for the center point AND the northernmost point at the above time for the location 28.6084N 80.6043W? What is the difference in those two azimuth angles? At this point you should be starting to see with some degree of horror just how incredibly wrong you are. But to find the exact angle of the moon's terminator relative to the horizon you need to do lots more. For one thing, you need to calculate the position-angle of the moon's bright limb, but for now let's see how you get along with the answers to the above questions...
Quoting: Dr. Astro

There is absolutely no complex calculations or need to over complicate this issue.
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

LOL, he can't do it. I'll start you off with the first precursor question; the moon's northernmost point on the equatorial grid would approximately have the coordinates RA: 0h 19m 56.15s Dec: 6d 36' 0.83". It's a simple question, what are the azimuth angles, what is the difference in those angles? Answer the question.
BY using terms like azimuth and "position-angle" of the moons limb, you prove to everyone you are not a genius nor even above average intelligence, but a copy paste parrot.
Quoting: IDW

No, what it means is I am familiar with the real terminology involved in doing the real calculations because I've actually done them. You are incapable of even answering the simple questions above. I haven't even begun to get complicated with you, you clearly couldn't handle it. The real calculations show that it is completely normal and my simple example above illustrates why.
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razamanaz
Quoting: Dr. Astro

By the way, how is that GLP observatory coming, genius astronomer? I heard you fucked up them telescopes so bad the manufacturers refused to honor the warranties, and yes I have my sources.

Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

I did not fuck anything up. I aligned them properly, twice. They are currently working on the software, that is not my department. Post your "sources." You won't and can't because you're a pathetic liar who is lashing out now that he's been exposed.
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No, what it means is I am familiar with the real terminology involved in doing the real calculations because I've actually done them.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Then perhaps you can explain why I have no problem setting up a telescope and having it actually work as it is supposed to and you can't do it?
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I did not fuck anything up. I aligned them properly, twice.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

HMMM HMMM. Why would you have need you allign them twice if you got it right the first time, and both times were properly done and they still don't work?

You are a fucking idiot.

Fuck off my thread and start your own, you're stinking it up
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No, what it means is I am familiar with the real terminology involved in doing the real calculations because I've actually done them.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Then perhaps you can explain why I have no problem setting up a telescope and having it actually work as it is supposed to and you can't do it?

Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

Yes, I can.
Thread: **Breaking** FIRST UFO on GLP Observatory!! Comet/Object Flying Through Space!!
More pictures I took from the GLP observatory:

Again, it works, it has been used by the members here, what they are currently working on with it has nothing to do with me. You have now been exposed not only as someone who can't do the simple calculations outlined above, but flat out lies when cornered.
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I did not fuck anything up. I aligned them properly, twice.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

HMMM HMMM. Why would you have need you allign them twice if you got it right the first time, and both times were properly done and they still don't work?
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

The Meade MAX Mount was having firmware and mechanical problems when I arrived. We aligned it, but it had to be shipped back to the factory for an overhaul. The first versions of that scope went through a quiet recall handled with everyone who purchased one very early on, but that one slipped through the cracks as it was sitting in a dealer's warehouse. It was aligned properly both times, however.
You are a fucking idiot.

Fuck off my thread and start your own, you're stinking it up
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Awww, look how threatened poor widdle IDW feels. How cute!
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I must admit I take a somewhat sadistic pleasure in torturing .gov shills.

I guess in that respect they have succeeded in reducing me to tier level of spiritual development at times. I suppose that is the intent. I shall endeavor not to let that happen again.
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It is impossible to get a horizontal terminator at moonrise any time of year south of the 60the latitude unless it is a lunar eclipse. It's basic math.
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

False. Basic math indeed:

Given that the apparent equatorial coordinates of the center point of the moon for 1/31/1971 at 2:45 UT were RA: 0h 19m 56.15s Dec: 6d 6' 0.83" (precessed to that date) and given that the moon is approximately half a degree wide in the sky, what were the approximate equatorial coordinates of the northern-most point of the moon on the equatorial grid at that time? Now, that was the easy part. The more challenging question is this, but if you're really better than I am this should not pose a problem for you; what is the apparent azimuth that corresponds to the above coordinates for the center point AND the northernmost point at the above time for the location 28.6084N 80.6043W? What is the difference in those two azimuth angles? At this point you should be starting to see with some degree of horror just how incredibly wrong you are. But to find the exact angle of the moon's terminator relative to the horizon you need to do lots more. For one thing, you need to calculate the position-angle of the moon's bright limb, but for now let's see how you get along with the answers to the above questions...
Quoting: Dr. Astro

There is absolutely no complex calculations or need to over complicate this issue.
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

LOL, he can't do it. I'll start you off with the first precursor question; the moon's northernmost point on the equatorial grid would approximately have the coordinates RA: 0h 19m 56.15s Dec: 6d 36' 0.83". It's a simple question, what are the azimuth angles, what is the difference in those angles? Answer the question.
BY using terms like azimuth and "position-angle" of the moons limb, you prove to everyone you are not a genius nor even above average intelligence, but a copy paste parrot.
Quoting: IDW

No, what it means is I am familiar with the real terminology involved in doing the real calculations because I've actually done them. You are incapable of even answering the simple questions above. I haven't even begun to get complicated with you, you clearly couldn't handle it. The real calculations show that it is completely normal and my simple example above illustrates why.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Notice how IDW is avoiding these calculations like the plague. There is a reason for that, a reason illuminated by my spreadsheet presented above.
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Yes, I can.
Thread: **Breaking** FIRST UFO on GLP Observatory!! Comet/Object Flying Through Space!!
More pictures I took from the GLP observatory:
:crabnebulaglp::flamenebulaglp::widehorseglp::narrowhorseglp:​
Again, it works, it has been used by the members here, what they are currently working on with it has nothing to do with me. You have now been exposed not only as someone who can't do the simple calculations outlined above, but flat out lies when cornered.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Prove those photos came from the GLP telescope. I happen to know it has NEVER worked
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I did not fuck anything up. I aligned them properly, twice.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

HMMM HMMM. Why would you have need you allign them twice if you got it right the first time, and both times were properly done and they still don't work?

You are a fucking idiot.

Fuck off my thread and start your own, you're stinking it up
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715
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Yes, I can.
Thread: **Breaking** FIRST UFO on GLP Observatory!! Comet/Object Flying Through Space!!
More pictures I took from the GLP observatory:

Again, it works, it has been used by the members here, what they are currently working on with it has nothing to do with me. You have now been exposed not only as someone who can't do the simple calculations outlined above, but flat out lies when cornered.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Prove those photos came from the GLP telescope. I happen to know it has NEVER worked
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

You are such a liar! The proof is right there!
Thread: **Breaking** FIRST UFO on GLP Observatory!! Comet/Object Flying Through Space!!
People all saw the scope in action. The videos from the live webcasts are all still right here:
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LOL, he can't do it. I'll start you off with the first precursor question; the moon's northernmost point on the equatorial grid would approximately have the coordinates RA: 0h 19m 56.15s Dec: 6d 36' 0.83". It's a simple question, what are the azimuth angles, what is the difference in those angles? Answer the question.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Come on IDW, stop avoiding it and answer the question.
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LOL, he can't do it. I'll start you off with the first precursor question; the moon's northernmost point on the equatorial grid would approximately have the coordinates RA: 0h 19m 56.15s Dec: 6d 36' 0.83". It's a simple question, what are the azimuth angles, what is the difference in those angles? Answer the question.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Come on IDW, stop avoiding it and answer the question.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

I'm not Trained poodle, i don't jump through hoops for an idiot> I showed the only proof necessary To prove you a pretender and an idiot and that i was right about the moon and YOU, and that is why I had to reset my ip to post again
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Arguing with stupid idiot is the folly of fools, you cannot win.
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

That's your best excuse for not providing photo evidence showing what you claim has happened "dozens of times"?
Quoting: Menow 636186

It has not happened dozens of times, it is occurring on regular basis. It will happen again tonight.

The explanation I set forth is the only possible explanation since the moon is still rising in the East and setting in the west. If the moons orbit of the Earth were to become aligned with the ecliptic, lunar eclipses at moonrise would be very common, and they are, and that is why as the night wears on the moon returns to normal.
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

For someone that keeps asking for photographic dated proof where is yours? Where are the pictures?...................yup thought so no where to be found.**adds Anonymous Atrophysicist to the lying attention seeking imbecile list**
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No, what it means is I am familiar with the real terminology involved in doing the real calculations because I've actually done them.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Then perhaps you can explain why I have no problem setting up a telescope and having it actually work as it is supposed to and you can't do it?

Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

If you have no problem setting up and using the scope, then you have already proved the Moon is moving as predicted. If your telescope can track it, it is moving in no unpredictable way at all. QED.

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Yes, I can.
Thread: **Breaking** FIRST UFO on GLP Observatory!! Comet/Object Flying Through Space!!
More pictures I took from the GLP observatory:
:crabnebulaglp::flamenebulaglp::widehorseglp::narrowhorseglp:​
Again, it works, it has been used by the members here, what they are currently working on with it has nothing to do with me. You have now been exposed not only as someone who can't do the simple calculations outlined above, but flat out lies when cornered.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Prove those photos came from the GLP telescope. I happen to know it has NEVER worked
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

You are either a real total fucking idiot or you know damn well what you are doing, that is, starting arguments by calling others shills to keep from posting proof.

The GLP telescope controls have been posted on here AND used by GLP posters.

You obviously don't know a damn thing on Astronomy, I can tell that and I've only read several posts of yours on here.

Astrophysicist my arse !
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Yes, I can.
Thread: **Breaking** FIRST UFO on GLP Observatory!! Comet/Object Flying Through Space!!
More pictures I took from the GLP observatory:

Again, it works, it has been used by the members here, what they are currently working on with it has nothing to do with me. You have now been exposed not only as someone who can't do the simple calculations outlined above, but flat out lies when cornered.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Prove those photos came from the GLP telescope. I happen to know it has NEVER worked
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

It has worked for a while idiot... I was watching people using it here.
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I'm not Trained poodle, i don't jump through hoops for an idiot> I showed the only proof necessary To prove you a pretender and an idiot and that i was right about the moon and YOU, and that is why I had to reset my ip to post again
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1384202

You won't answer the question because you can't. If you did you would see that the difference in azimuth was nearly as much as the total added to the declination. Meaning the moon was nearly horizontal at that point. Now let's move on to figure out the exact angle of the moon relative to the horizon. What was the position-angle of the moon's bright limb at that time? Hint: you'll need to figure out where the sun was at the same time.
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Arguing with stupid idiot is the folly of fools, you cannot win.
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

That's your best excuse for not providing photo evidence showing what you claim has happened "dozens of times"?
Quoting: Menow 636186

It has not happened dozens of times, it is occurring on regular basis. It will happen again tonight.
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

Sorry? What will happen tonight? You have been claiming that the moon has risen with a "perfectly horizontal terminator". You are claiming that will happen again tonight? OK- then it should be no problem for you to take an image showing that, right?

The explanation I set forth is the only possible explanation since the moon is still rising in the East and setting in the west. If the moons orbit of the Earth were to become aligned with the ecliptic, lunar eclipses at moonrise would be very common, and they are, and that is why as the night wears on the moon returns to normal.
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

Sorry? Explanation for what? I'm still waiting for you to show evidence for the alleged event you want explained.
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Arguing with stupid idiot is the folly of fools, you cannot win.
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

That's your best excuse for not providing photo evidence showing what you claim has happened "dozens of times"?
Quoting: Menow 636186

It has not happened dozens of times, it is occurring on regular basis. It will happen again tonight.

The explanation I set forth is the only possible explanation since the moon is still rising in the East and setting in the west. If the moons orbit of the Earth were to become aligned with the ecliptic, lunar eclipses at moonrise would be very common, and they are, and that is why as the night wears on the moon returns to normal.
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

If the Moon were moving in any unpredictable ways, how can long predicted lunar eclipses continue to occur as predicted?

The *number* of things IDW/A.A is failing to understand here is quite staggering.
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Don't worry, AA, by the time we reach the end of March 2013, Astro mutt won't be posting on your thread any longer.
Quoting: Solar Guardian

How much are you willing to bet on that?
Quoting: Dr. Astro

I refuse as I said before to make specific predictions or give an actual 'end date' and I outlined my reasons.

Suffice it to say by the time a year is up you will be feeding the maggots. The people who pay you think less of you than I do, and you have made so many enemies when control is lost I am sure someone will look you up.

Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

Oh boy, another prediction *with specifics* that IDW/A.A can be wrong about!
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No, what it means is I am familiar with the real terminology involved in doing the real calculations because I've actually done them.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Then perhaps you can explain why I have no problem setting up a telescope and having it actually work as it is supposed to and you can't do it?

Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

If you have no problem setting up and using the scope, then you have already proved the Moon is moving as predicted. If your telescope can track it, it is moving in no unpredictable way at all. QED.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444

I don't recall claiming a properly set up telescope will track the moon properly, it won't. Two years ago it would, almost.

Almost no normal amateur astronomer has a permanent fixed mount for his telescope, meaning an alignment has to be done by a process known as mapping with each use. I went thorough this process every single night I set up my own telescope while I was involved in the hobby less than 12 years ago.

Even telescopes fixed in solid bedrock need to be mapped nightly to obtain accurate auto location. This is because being a one hundred thousandth of a degree off will result in total failure, and the timekeeping system in use is not accurate enough to obtain accuracy to this degree, as has already been shown to you through professional references. Without nightly mapping the telescope will locate the Celestia object through the spotter scope then the main telescope must be fine adjusted. THIS IS WHY ALL MAJOR OBSERVATORIES WITH COMPETENT PEOPLE AT THE COM DO A NIGHTLY MAPPING RUN, WHICH TAKES UP TO AN HOUR DEPENDING ON HOW FAST THE TELESCOPE IS.

The computer can then track or find celestial obejcts after several objects are mapped. This does not in any wa indicate they are in the 'proper' places. noly that thye have not moved realtive to each other or in the case of the planets in an unexpected trajectory
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Arguing with stupid idiot is the folly of fools, you cannot win.
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

That's your best excuse for not providing photo evidence showing what you claim has happened "dozens of times"?
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It has not happened dozens of times, it is occurring on regular basis. It will happen again tonight.

The explanation I set forth is the only possible explanation since the moon is still rising in the East and setting in the west. If the moons orbit of the Earth were to become aligned with the ecliptic, lunar eclipses at moonrise would be very common, and they are, and that is why as the night wears on the moon returns to normal.
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1391715

If the Moon were moving in any unpredictable ways, how can long predicted lunar eclipses continue to occur as predicted?

The *number* of things IDW/A.A is failing to understand here is quite staggering.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444

You must not have been paying very close attention there have been some very interesting 'surmises' lately concerning predicted eclipses. You're a dullard. The change has occurred very recently and eclipses that have occurred since the change have not gone off as predicted. This too is on several threads on this and many other websites. Remember, this has only been observed in the past 5 months. Look into the eclipses that have occurred in these months and you willsee some intersting observations
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Almost no normal amateur astronomer has a permanent fixed mount for his telescope, meaning an alignment has to be done by a process known as mapping with each use.
Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1384202

LMFAO! I don't know what's funnier, listening to you try to talk about this like you know what you're talking about, or watching the mistakes you make based on your misunderstanding of information I gave you. No, that's not what the nightly alignment process is called if you don't have a permanently mounted telescope. I know quite a few amateurs who have permanently mounted telescopes though. There's a whole neighborhood of them in Chiefland, Florida. Why don't you give them a call and ask if they still track fine night to night?
I went thorough this process every single night I set up my own telescope while I was involved in the hobby less than 12 years ago.
Quoting: IDW

Sorry to hear you weren't able to get yours to work right (and it's funny how you only started using and misusing that "mapping" term after I introduced it a couple pages back - clearly you still don't understand it), but can you please explain then why I am able to accurately predict the moon's current position to within at least an arcminute using a book that was published 22 years ago, a decade before you were involved in the hobby?

Even telescopes fixed in solid bedrock need to be mapped nightly to obtain accurate auto location.
Quoting: IDW

Nope. Once a mapping run is completed and homing is set, the telescope's precise alignment is saved from session to session. That's the reason you do it, idiot.
And now he thinks that permanently aligned telescopes need constant adjustment. They do not.
"Homing
The Paramount ME can be initialized to exactly the same position using a process called homing. Essentially, the homing procedure slews the mount to an absolute position. Using this home position and an accurate time base (obtained from TheSky6 Professional Edition), the control system can be initialized very accurately from session to session. Homing provides many other benefits.
• Homing (page 34) permits software imposed slew limits, or “soft limits,” so the mount cannot crashe into itself, even if an improper synchronization occurs.
• Once a mapping run (page 47) has been completed, the Paramount ME can maintain extremely accurate pointing without additional synchronization."