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AA I've got a question, if this solar maximum passes and we enter into solar minimum again without this great "cleansing" occurring will you give it up?
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I wouldn't bet the farm on me having to.
Let's leave it at that. All scientists makes errors for all kinds of reasons, in my case it was receiving false information and assuming it was correct. I admitted how very stupid that was of me. Have patience, you don't have long
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Maybe the same has occurred again? Will you give up this time?
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AA I've got a question, if this solar maximum passes and we enter into solar minimum again without this great "cleansing" occurring will you give it up?
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I wouldn't bet the farm on me having to.
Let's leave it at that.
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You were claiming the same thing right up to December 21st.


All scientists makes errors for all kinds of reasons, in my case it was receiving false information and assuming it was correct. I admitted how very stupid that was of me. Have patience, you don't have long
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Nope. Only 10+ months to see all three IDW/A.A predictions fail again.
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It rose in partial lunar eclipse last night at 7:26 PM at my home last night and then gradually transitioned into a normal waning moon with a proper terminator angle by 815 pm.
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How do you determine the proper terminator angle of a full moon?


I have photographs taken every 30 seconds to post here if I am allowed again to imbed.
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Why not upload to somewhere else and just post the link?


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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If that's the case, then GOTO telescopes should have no trouble tracking the Moon, and yet you say they will fail to do this. Which is it?
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If their software has been updated to account for the change they will and if hasn't they won't I think that's easy enough to understand. Most amateurs using their own telescopes who have not received these updates would simply assume they had made some error themselves and in my experience amateur astronomers for the most part do not use 'goto" software to locate the moon or track it, they just point the telescope at it where they see it and follow it manually. it doesn't race across the sky at breakneck speed..

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Wtf are you talking about now? The terminator created during a partial lunar eclipse does does not look at all like the terminator created by lunar phases at near full moon.
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The terminator created by a lunar eclipse at moonrise creates a gradually widening 'smilie face' shape during nearly full or full phases of the moon, as I have repeatedly observed, and it is compounded by the phase of the moon, that is the left side of the 'smile face was incomplete at moonrise last night.

You're simply full of shit and tossing out layer after layer of nonsense to cover up the last bit of nonsense.
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Then petition the administrators to allow me to post the photos I took last night and let us put this to rest.
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Just post them on flickr or something. No one is stopping you from citing images supporting your claim that there were moonrises, last summer, with a "perfectly horizontal terminator". Where are they?

"Compounded by the phase"?? You mean as if the portion of the lunar disk darkened by the alleged eclipse just happens to correspond with the precise portion left dark by normal lunar phase?? What a bunch of hooey! Do you enjoy posting utter nonsense like this?
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AA I've got a question, if this solar maximum passes and we enter into solar minimum again without this great "cleansing" occurring will you give it up?
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I wouldn't bet the farm on me having to.
Let's leave it at that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1176764


You were claiming the same thing right up to December 21st.


All scientists makes errors for all kinds of reasons, in my case it was receiving false information and assuming it was correct. I admitted how very stupid that was of me. Have patience, you don't have long
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1176764


Nope. Only 10+ months to see all three IDW/A.A predictions fail again.
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He's probably willing to continue on with another prediction at that point though, are you willing to continue arguing with him even then?
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in my experience amateur astronomers for the most part do not use 'goto" software to locate the moon or track it, they just point the telescope at it where they see it and follow it manually. it doesn't race across the sky at breakneck speed..

cruise
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Nonsense. The moon moves fairly rapidly out of frame if no tracking mechanism is used. Anyone who has tracking capability and wants to look at the moon for any amount of time would use it.
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Nope. Only 10+ months to see all three IDW/A.A predictions fail again.
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Why would the government spend hundreds of thousands of dollars a year 'debunking' and stalking a crackpot?

Nuff said.
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Nope. Only 10+ months to see all three IDW/A.A predictions fail again.
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Why would the government spend hundreds of thousands of dollars a year 'debunking' and stalking a crackpot?

Nuff said.
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I would guess he's probably not the government and rather some guy who just can't let it go when he sees someone he believes is blatantly wrong. Though I'm not sure what he expects to accomplish in the end by continuously debunking your through the years...but some people just can't let it go if they believe they are right.
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Wtf are you talking about now? The terminator created during a partial lunar eclipse does does not look at all like the terminator created by lunar phases at near full moon.
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The terminator created by a lunar eclipse at moonrise creates a gradually widening 'smilie face' shape during nearly full or full phases of the moon, as I have repeatedly observed, and it is compounded by the phase of the moon, that is the left side of the 'smile face was incomplete at moonrise last night.

You're simply full of shit and tossing out layer after layer of nonsense to cover up the last bit of nonsense.
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Then petition the administrators to allow me to post the photos I took last night and let us put this to rest.
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1176764


it is important to understand there are two terminators in play at once at moonrise, the one caused by the shadow of the earth and the one caused by the phase of the moon.
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What- DAILY partial lunar eclipses is what you're claiming now?
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in my experience amateur astronomers for the most part do not use 'goto" software to locate the moon or track it, they just point the telescope at it where they see it and follow it manually. it doesn't race across the sky at breakneck speed..

cruise
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Nonsense. The moon moves fairly rapidly out of frame if no tracking mechanism is used. Anyone who has tracking capability and wants to look at the moon for any amount of time would use it.
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I do not disagree, i just disagree that failure of the telescope to do so would result in manual tracking by the user, assuming he had made some error.
I have used telescopes that were fairly high dollar that did not have any tracking capability as a child and young adult at all to observe planets, galaxies and nebula,,it isn't that hard to track them manually.
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If that's the case, then GOTO telescopes should have no trouble tracking the Moon, and yet you say they will fail to do this. Which is it?
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If their software has been updated to account for the change they will and if hasn't they won't I think that's easy enough to understand. Most amateurs using their own telescopes who have not received these updates would simply assume they had made some error themselves and in my experience amateur astronomers for the most part do not use 'goto" software to locate the moon or track it, they just point the telescope at it where they see it and follow it manually. it doesn't race across the sky at breakneck speed..


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Well, depends on how magnified you are looking at it. If you want to watch certain features on the lunar surface for any length of time, they can move out in just a couple of minutes if you aren't tracking.

So, let me get this straight again. Un-updated telescopes with GOTO, if aligned with the stars and tracking them, will fail to track the Moon because it is not moving as traditionally predicted. Correct?

Old astronomy books will fail regarding upcoming solar and lunar eclipses if they were published before, what -- 1995?

But Maya predictions of future eclipses will be accurate? Am I stating your position correctly?
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Nope. Only 10+ months to see all three IDW/A.A predictions fail again.
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Why would the government spend hundreds of thousands of dollars a year 'debunking' and stalking a crackpot?

Nuff said.
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1111005


I would guess he's probably not the government and rather some guy who just can't let it go when he sees someone he believes is blatantly wrong. Though I'm not sure what he expects to accomplish in the end by continuously debunking your through the years...but some people just can't let it go if they believe they are right.
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The same thing as you of course, attacking my credibility and attempting to cover up the truth, and You and he have done a damned incompetent job of it
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AA I've got a question, if this solar maximum passes and we enter into solar minimum again without this great "cleansing" occurring will you give it up?
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I wouldn't bet the farm on me having to.
Let's leave it at that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1176764


You were claiming the same thing right up to December 21st.


All scientists makes errors for all kinds of reasons, in my case it was receiving false information and assuming it was correct. I admitted how very stupid that was of me. Have patience, you don't have long
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1176764


Nope. Only 10+ months to see all three IDW/A.A predictions fail again.
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He's probably willing to continue on with another prediction at that point though, are you willing to continue arguing with him even then?
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Sure! More fodder to add to IDW's giant list of failures.
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Oh, and a third question -- when did you start spelling astrophysicist wrong in your name, and why?
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To prevent being autobanned. My original user ID was also autobanned
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Too bad, you should of been banned forever.
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Nope. Only 10+ months to see all three IDW/A.A predictions fail again.
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Why would the government spend hundreds of thousands of dollars a year 'debunking' and stalking a crackpot?

Nuff said.
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Alas, ad hominem noted. I am not compensated in any way to do this.

Well, except in entertainment value.
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If that is the case, then the supposed unpredicted movement of the Moon you were proposing was predicted by the Maya.
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That's what I'm saying, why is that so hard to believe given their perfect record?
Is the movement of the Moon predictable or unpredictable? You've now claimed both. You're as bad as Quantum Mechanics.
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It is not unpredictable if you know how the orbit has changed and why.
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If that's the case, then GOTO telescopes should have no trouble tracking the Moon, and yet you say they will fail to do this. Which is it?
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My GOTO scope tracks the moon and other planets and deep sky objects perfectly fine.
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Old astronomy books will fail regarding upcoming solar and lunar eclipses if they were published before, what -- 1995?

But Maya predictions of future eclipses will be accurate? Am I stating your position correctly?
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You haven't been paying attention, the predictions are being 'borrowed' from the Mayan calender and they are simply not giving them the credit, 'calculations' by modern astronomers are. Funny thing is they don't show their work, ever..
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My GOTO scope tracks the moon and other planets and deep sky objects perfectly fine.
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Prove two things:
1) you have not recently updated the software that tracks the moon
2) you are not simply lying.


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Old astronomy books will fail regarding upcoming solar and lunar eclipses if they were published before, what -- 1995?

But Maya predictions of future eclipses will be accurate? Am I stating your position correctly?
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You haven't been paying attention, the predictions are being 'borrowed' from the Mayan calender and they are simply not giving them the credit, 'calculations' by modern astronomers are. Funny thing is they don't show their work, ever..
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Sigh. So why wouldn't GOTO manufacturers similarly borrow from the Maya so that their telescopes work? Why would they supposedly need super-secret updates to correct for information *they already had?*
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Oh, and a third question -- when did you start spelling astrophysicist wrong in your name, and why?
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To prevent being autobanned. My original user ID was also autobanned
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Too bad, you should of been banned forever.
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If he was, the site would be a lot less fun.
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Too bad, you should of been banned forever.
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Sure would save the government a lot of money wouldn't it? Something you should consider if if the government could fully control the internet you would be back to hitting the pipe out in the ally instead of in a nice cushy pretreatment paid for by the taxpayers.

Have a nice day.
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My GOTO scope tracks the moon and other planets and deep sky objects perfectly fine.
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Prove two things:
1) you have not recently updated the software that tracks the moon
2) you are not simply lying.


cruise
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Are you that stupid? I used it 2 nights ago at my friends kickback. None of them said the tracking or anything was off idiot. Why would I need to update the software if it already tracks smoothly. You obviously have no clue to anything.
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Nope. Only 10+ months to see all three IDW/A.A predictions fail again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


Why would the government spend hundreds of thousands of dollars a year 'debunking' and stalking a crackpot?

Nuff said.
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1111005


I would guess he's probably not the government and rather some guy who just can't let it go when he sees someone he believes is blatantly wrong. Though I'm not sure what he expects to accomplish in the end by continuously debunking your through the years...but some people just can't let it go if they believe they are right.
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The same thing as you of course, attacking my credibility and attempting to cover up the truth, and You and he have done a damned incompetent job of it
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1111005


Well it's not my job to do so, so if it's incompetent then I feel no shame. I'd say you've done a damned incompetent job of being able to pick out "government shills" from regular people.
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Sigh. So why wouldn't GOTO manufacturers similarly borrow from the Maya so that their telescopes work? Why would they supposedly need super-secret updates to correct for information *they already had?*
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How do you know and how can you prove they did not interpolate Mayan data and do just that?. The Mayan calender does not track the movement of the moon throughout the night on any particular day, it predicts eclipses.
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and if I'm good enough at supposedly "debunking" you that you mistake me for a paid shill, can you point me to where I can get paid for it? I'd feel no shame if someone would pay me for "debunking" this thread.
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I used it 2 nights ago at my friends kickback. None of them said the tracking or anything was off idiot. Why would I need to update the software if it already tracks smoothly. You obviously have no clue to anything.
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PROVE IT
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My only battle is with my own inner demons.
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You should have never opened that door and let them in, the Kabbalist are all demon possessed
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Nah.. no Kabbal, here.. merely my own personal quixotic folly.
I'm an idealist in an ignoble society.
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Sigh. So why wouldn't GOTO manufacturers similarly borrow from the Maya so that their telescopes work? Why would they supposedly need super-secret updates to correct for information *they already had?*
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How do you know and how can you prove they did not interpolate Mayan data and do just that?.
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1111005


**BECAUSE YOU ARE CLAIMING GOTOs DON'T TRACK THE MOON!**

How can you be so dense you don't subscribe to your *own* claims?


The Mayan calender does not track the movement of the moon throughout the night on any particular day, it predicts eclipses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1111005


How can you accurately measure and predict eclipses without predicting all the other lunar motions?

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