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Anonymous Atrophysicist
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and if I'm good enough at supposedly "debunking" you that you mistake me for a paid shill, can you point me to where I can get paid for it? I'd feel no shame if someone would pay me for "debunking" this thread.
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A shill and a debunker are two different things. A shill sells an idea while pretending to be unbiased. A debunker debunks untrue information. A disinformation operative hides the truth pretending to be a debunker. A debunker and a shill are not the same thing. Of all of these jobs 'shill' like you are is easiest, since you don't have to do anything but lick the disinfor ops nuts and claim the target is full of shit.
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My only battle is with my own inner demons.
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You should have never opened that door and let them in, the Kabbalist are all demon possessed
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1179023


Nah.. no Kabbal, here.. merely my own personal quixotic folly.
I'm an idealist in an ignoble society.
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In my experience in dealing with you, you are possessed by demon or perhaps demons. That is one thing indians are deadly accurate at detecting.
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and if I'm good enough at supposedly "debunking" you that you mistake me for a paid shill, can you point me to where I can get paid for it? I'd feel no shame if someone would pay me for "debunking" this thread.
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A shill and a debunker are two different things. A shill sells an idea while pretending to be unbiased. A debunker debunks untrue information. A disinformation operative hides the truth pretending to be a debunker. A debunker and a shill are not the same thing. Of all of these jobs 'shill' like you are is easiest, since you don't have to do anything but lick the disinfor ops nuts and claim the target is full of shit.
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how do i get paid for it?
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and if I'm good enough at supposedly "debunking" you that you mistake me for a paid shill, can you point me to where I can get paid for it? I'd feel no shame if someone would pay me for "debunking" this thread.
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A shill and a debunker are two different things. A shill sells an idea while pretending to be unbiased. A debunker debunks untrue information. A disinformation operative hides the truth pretending to be a debunker. A debunker and a shill are not the same thing. Of all of these jobs 'shill' like you are is easiest, since you don't have to do anything but lick the disinfor ops nuts and claim the target is full of shit.
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how do i get paid for it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34958115


In dope would be my guess, judging by your responses and you obvious lack of any of the subject matter.
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My only battle is with my own inner demons.
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You should have never opened that door and let them in, the Kabbalist are all demon possessed
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1179023


Nah.. no Kabbal, here.. merely my own personal quixotic folly.
I'm an idealist in an ignoble society.
 Quoting: Waterbug


In my experience in dealing with you, you are possessed by demon or perhaps demons. That is one thing indians are deadly accurate at detecting.
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1299288


In my experience with you.. I'm not surprised that you say things like that.
I don't think I am, but you are entitled to your opinion.
Maybe a grouchy asshole, sometimes.. but not possessed.
You might get the impression from my posts that I don't suffer fools lightly.. nor do I care to be led down the primrose path.

I know quite a lot about aboriginals.. having been raised amongst them.
They remain connected to the land.. as do I.
That is my reality.
This website is a distraction that I use to stimulate thought.
Some of the ideas presented here are interesting and entertaining.

Any other motive applied to me is erroneous.
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There is only one thing you cannot do on GLP and that is establish credibility and tell the truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1179023


So what, exactly, is keeping you from posting an image of the alleged anomaly you claim took place where the moon rose with a "perfectly horizontal terminator" last summer?
 Quoting: Menow 636186


It rose in partial lunar eclipse last night at 7:26 PM at my home last night and then gradually transitioned into a normal waning moon with a proper terminator angle by 815 pm. I have photographs taken every 30 seconds to post here if I am allowed again to imbed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1179023


Why is it that you are unable to answer a direct question? I didn't ask about last night. I asked about an image supporting your claim that the moon rose with a "smiley face perfectly horizontal terminator" last summer.
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NOTE: STILL no image demonstrating that the alleged anomaly you claim should be "explained" occurred in the first place.
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So what, exactly, is keeping you from posting an image of the alleged anomaly you claim took place where the moon rose with a "perfectly horizontal terminator" last summer?
 Quoting: Menow 636186


It rose in partial lunar eclipse last night at 7:26 PM at my home last night and then gradually transitioned into a normal waning moon with a proper terminator angle by 815 pm. I have photographs taken every 30 seconds to post here if I am allowed again to imbed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1179023


Why is it that you are unable to answer a direct question? I didn't ask about last night. I asked about an image supporting your claim that the moon rose with a "smiley face perfectly horizontal terminator" last summer.
 Quoting: Menow 636186


NOTE: STILL no image demonstrating that the alleged anomaly you claim should be "explained" occurred in the first place.
 Quoting: Menow 636186


He's too busy imagining what I might actually be like based on some text on a page. He's really really good at projecting.
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Sorry to hear you weren't able to get yours to work right (and it's funny how you only started using and misusing that "mapping" term after I introduced it a couple pages back - clearly you still don't understand it), but can you please explain then why I am able to accurately predict the moon's current position to within at least an arcminute using a book that was published 22 years ago, a decade before you were involved in the hobby?

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Still waiting for an answer on this burning question...
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Still no answer...
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Many pages of bluster, but still no answer. It seems these calculations are "too complicated" for the self-proclaimed astrophysicist.
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In the end this whole thing is fruitless. Both sides pushing and pulling but in the end this could go back and forth forever.
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In the end this whole thing is fruitless. Both sides pushing and pulling but in the end this could go back and forth forever.
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If you really can't assess who is providing factual content, here, and who is only spewing BS, I feel sorry for you. You are exactly the kind folks this kind of malarky is intended to influence.
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In the end this whole thing is fruitless. Both sides pushing and pulling but in the end this could go back and forth forever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34958115


If you really can't assess who is providing factual content, here, and who is only spewing BS, I feel sorry for you. You are exactly the kind folks this kind of malarky is intended to influence.
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In the end this whole thing is fruitless. Both sides pushing and pulling but in the end this could go back and forth forever.
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If you really can't assess who is providing factual content, here, and who is only spewing BS, I feel sorry for you. You are exactly the kind folks this kind of malarky is intended to influence.
 Quoting: Menow 636186


What I should have said is regardless of what is true this can go on forever, and looks like it has been for roughly 12 years and counting.
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In the end this whole thing is fruitless. Both sides pushing and pulling but in the end this could go back and forth forever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34958115


If you really can't assess who is providing factual content, here, and who is only spewing BS, I feel sorry for you. You are exactly the kind folks this kind of malarky is intended to influence.
 Quoting: Menow 636186


Do you actually think one day AA is just going to say "ok you guys were right for the last umpteen years, congrats" and then stop posting?
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This thread lately is chock-full of hired shills.....ahhhahhh
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Well, we suspected Anonymous Astrophysicist was a hired shill. Thanks for confirming it for us.
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Open the thread to all posters and see how you do. Every one of you posting here with the exception of a few anonymous posters who are undoubtedly socks of some of you is known and well established as such SHILL stalker.
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And by SHILL you mean anyone that has the audacity to ask you to provide supporting evidence, right?
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You need to take a closer look.
And who are you anyway, little coward? You know who I am, why do you hide your identities if you are above boards?. Not even Phil Plait or Jay "the weasel" Windley does that!
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So, you're saying you've provided evidence? Then where, pray tell, is it? What page?
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Everyone knows the pattern, the more shill activity the more credibility the poster has.
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LOL!!! Boy, you are delusional.
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There is only one thing you cannot do on GLP and that is establish credibility and tell the truth.
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And, oddly enough, you've done neither of those things.
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There is some indication from what I have seen that the end date of the Mayan calender was falsely promulgated pulling out all the stops as being on the winter solstice of 2012. Since I cannot decipher the Mayan hieroglyphs, I am unable to confirm the end date. I know the actual date by interpolation and by closely examining the pattern that has manifested itself over the past year or so.

You can waterboard me and I won't tell you, you're not to know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1179023


Sounds like you suffer from Nancy Lieder Complex - it's a condition where someone claims to have some special knowledge but thumbs their nose at everyone and says, "Neener, neener! I'm not going to tell! So there!" When in actuality, they don't know anything and are just trying to make themselves feel special.
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Well, let me get this straight. If one can find and produce a source that predicts the current upcoming eclipses from 1975 or before, that would prove *to you* that the Moon is moving predictably?
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I already know the moon is moving according to the Mayan predictions with a great degree of accuracy. I also *know* that long range prediction are made using it, never giving it the credits.

Showing the eclipse was predicted in 1975 does not prove how. I think I made it clear, show your calculations that were *VERIFIABILITY* made in 1975 that predicted it.

Good luck.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1179023


But, I'm confused. Is the Moon moving predictably or not?

Actually when you get to thinking about it, it seems likely the most probable reason for it is that the moons orbit is no longer five degrees off the ecliptic, but right on it, probably forced into that orbit by forces in the glactic plane. This would explain the smilie face moonrise transforming gradually into what appears to be an almost normal moon as the night wears on, WE ARE SEEING A PARTIAL LUNAR ECLIPSE WHEN WE SEE THIS SMILIE FACE MOON RISE because the earth is coming between the sun and the moon as it rises!

THIS is the answer
 Quoting: Anonymous astrophysicist 1304066


You are claiming here that the Moon is moving in VERY unusual ways -- so much so GOTOs cannot track it. Is it or isn't it?

If it is moving unpredictably, why are Mayan/traditional eclipse predictions still accurate?

Which is it, IDW/A.A? It can't be both.
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+1000.

No doubt he'll avoid answering that like the plague.
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Which explains why it is so important to those who employ you to pay you to stalk me and have for 12 years.
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Care to back that up with anything? Oh, wait, of course not. You don't back up anything with supporting evidence.
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I wouldn't bet the farm on me having to.
Let's leave it at that. All scientists makes errors for all kinds of reasons, in my case it was receiving false information and assuming it was correct. I admitted how very stupid that was of me. Have patience, you don't have long
 Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1176764


Needless to say, I'm willing to bet we'll all still be here when we shouldn't be and you'll still be making excuses.
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Why would the government spend hundreds of thousands of dollars a year 'debunking' and stalking a crackpot?

Nuff said.
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Then that proves that he has NOT been sent by the government. But, since you claim they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars - that suggests you have access to financial information showing how much the government spends on "debunking" so why don't you post it to support your claim that anyone is paid to prove you wrong. Can you? I doubt it.
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The same thing as you of course, attacking my credibility and attempting to cover up the truth, and You and he have done a damned incompetent job of it
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Really? Then why have so many people called you out?
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Prove two things:
1) you have not recently updated the software that tracks the moon
2) you are not simply lying.
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Why don't you try proving some of your claims?
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Sure would save the government a lot of money wouldn't it? Something you should consider if if the government could fully control the internet you would be back to hitting the pipe out in the ally instead of in a nice cushy pretreatment paid for by the taxpayers.

Have a nice day.
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Nothing of substance...just more ad hominem attacks. How surprising.
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In the end this whole thing is fruitless. Both sides pushing and pulling but in the end this could go back and forth forever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34958115


If you really can't assess who is providing factual content, here, and who is only spewing BS, I feel sorry for you. You are exactly the kind folks this kind of malarky is intended to influence.
 Quoting: Menow 636186


What I should have said is regardless of what is true this can go on forever, and looks like it has been for roughly 12 years and counting.
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As long as people are around to spout BS like this there will be those of us who are willing to take the time to debunk it.
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In the end this whole thing is fruitless. Both sides pushing and pulling but in the end this could go back and forth forever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34958115


If you really can't assess who is providing factual content, here, and who is only spewing BS, I feel sorry for you. You are exactly the kind folks this kind of malarky is intended to influence.
 Quoting: Menow 636186


Do you actually think one day AA is just going to say "ok you guys were right for the last umpteen years, congrats" and then stop posting?
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Of course not. What in my post could possibly make you believe I think that? As long as people post bunk there will be people who will debunk it. Do you think THAT is ever going to change?
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I have concluded that None of us know shit.

I saw a giant insect, a ghost image, feeding on a star thru my telescope when it was out of focus last summer.

I did. God's honest truth, I swear.

Astromutt....Please EXPLAI!N that.

Nice to see you AA.

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I have concluded that None of us know shit.

I saw a giant insect, a ghost image, feeding on a star thru my telescope when it was out of focus last summer.

I did. God's honest truth, I swear.
 Quoting: Pyractomena borealis

Sounds like you had a literal insect on the objective of your telescope then; when out of focus, stars will show the shape of optics as well as anything on the optics. I occasionally use this "feature" of my telescope's optics to "wave" at viewers during my webcasts.
Nice to see you AA.
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There's nothing "nice" about AA/IDW.
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