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Sure would save the government a lot of money wouldn't it? Something you should consider if if the government could fully control the internet you would be back to hitting the pipe out in the ally instead of in a nice cushy pretreatment paid for by the taxpayers.

Have a nice day.
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Nothing of substance...just more ad hominem attacks. How surprising.
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
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In the end this whole thing is fruitless. Both sides pushing and pulling but in the end this could go back and forth forever.
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If you really can't assess who is providing factual content, here, and who is only spewing BS, I feel sorry for you. You are exactly the kind folks this kind of malarky is intended to influence.
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What I should have said is regardless of what is true this can go on forever, and looks like it has been for roughly 12 years and counting.
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As long as people are around to spout BS like this there will be those of us who are willing to take the time to debunk it.
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In the end this whole thing is fruitless. Both sides pushing and pulling but in the end this could go back and forth forever.
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If you really can't assess who is providing factual content, here, and who is only spewing BS, I feel sorry for you. You are exactly the kind folks this kind of malarky is intended to influence.
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Do you actually think one day AA is just going to say "ok you guys were right for the last umpteen years, congrats" and then stop posting?
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Of course not. What in my post could possibly make you believe I think that? As long as people post bunk there will be people who will debunk it. Do you think THAT is ever going to change?
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I have concluded that None of us know shit.

I saw a giant insect, a ghost image, feeding on a star thru my telescope when it was out of focus last summer.

I did. God's honest truth, I swear.

Astromutt....Please EXPLAI!N that.

Nice to see you AA.

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I have concluded that None of us know shit.

I saw a giant insect, a ghost image, feeding on a star thru my telescope when it was out of focus last summer.

I did. God's honest truth, I swear.
 Quoting: Pyractomena borealis

Sounds like you had a literal insect on the objective of your telescope then; when out of focus, stars will show the shape of optics as well as anything on the optics. I occasionally use this "feature" of my telescope's optics to "wave" at viewers during my webcasts.
Nice to see you AA.
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There's nothing "nice" about AA/IDW.
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I saw a giant insect,
a ghost image,
feeding on a star
thru my telescope when it was out of focus

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Are you for real ? crazy
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The ONLY thing that 'SMELLS' around here is ASS tro !
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Ahhh. I can relax. Seems all's well on "Warning: SOLAR DATA PAGE COMPLETELY CENSORED, DATA ON OTHER SOURCES BEING FABRICATED!"
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Do you actually think one day AA is just going to say "ok you guys were right for the last umpteen years, congrats" and then stop posting?

We absorb information and then use that information to make judgements,we conclude that we "know what is right" based on this information.We then go about trying to convince others about this new found 'right'. The more people that we get to agree with us the more secure we feel in our correctness.This is what is at the bottom of all arguments,different opinions of what is right.The battles continue until one surrenders in defeat,agreeing to change his/her mind about the matter at hand.It's not about being "right" or "wrong",they don't really exist,it's more about our attachment to our opinions.Some understand that each person has a reality created by their own perception.Therefore it is not possible to tell someone that they are wrong because this would imply their perception is invalid.What someone may of thought once as wrong,may now appear to be right, or at least ok,after being presented with new information. "Right" and "wrong" haven't changed because they never existed. It exists only in each individuals mind.So the only thing that is changing is "our" minds. Anonymous Astrophysicist is just a game playing attention whore trying to validate their idiocy with sok puppets.Since we use information to make judgement of what is "right" or "wrong". For any 3rd person reading this thread attempting to learn and gather information they should be presented both sides.
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Do you actually think one day AA is just going to say "ok you guys were right for the last umpteen years, congrats" and then stop posting?

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You obviously don't know AA. The answer is no, Absolutely not. Ain't gonna happen. Not in your lifetime. Just plain NOT.
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So, at this particular point, in figuring out exactly what IDW/A.A is claiming I remain hopelessly mixed up.

Circular Reasoning -- see Reasoning, Circular

He is claiming that un-updated GOTOs can't track the Moon, because it is moving unpredictably.

But he is also claiming that the Moon is moving unpredictably, except the Mayans predicted it.

Then he has claimed that the Mayans predicted it, but only with eclipses.

He then adds eclipses are occurring as predicted, but only if the predictions are *recent.*

But then he also claims that old books' predictions of lunar and solar eclipses should be off, since the eclipses and lunar motions have recently become unpredictable.

Which brings us back to claiming that un-updated GOTOs can't track the Moon, because it is moving unpredictably.

Reasoning, circular -- see Circular Reasoning.

Instead of Schrodinger's Cat, we seem to have IDW's eclipse. It is both predictable and unpredictable!
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In the end this whole thing is fruitless. Both sides pushing and pulling but in the end this could go back and forth forever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34958115


If you really can't assess who is providing factual content, here, and who is only spewing BS, I feel sorry for you. You are exactly the kind folks this kind of malarky is intended to influence.
 Quoting: Menow 636186


Do you actually think one day AA is just going to say "ok you guys were right for the last umpteen years, congrats" and then stop posting?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34958115


Of course not. If he did, I'd be quite disappointed.

It's the lurkers and readers of the thread that I write for. In repeatedly demonstrating how wrong IDW/A.A's claims are, despite his iroclad assurances that *this* time he is correct, I get to explain all sorts of nifty science to people who otherwise might fall for IDW/A.A's drivel.

And, admittedly, I do get a small kick out of seeing what contortions he goes through covering that *next* failure -- whatever that next failure is.

IDW/A.A repeatedly hounded posters who's stuff I liked to read. Thus, as I wrote directly to him: what's good for the goose...

Goose.
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In the end this whole thing is fruitless. Both sides pushing and pulling but in the end this could go back and forth forever.
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Nah. As far as IDW/A.A's predictions go, it only goes to the next two solstices, and about a week in January. At that point, so long as the 'cleansing' hasn't occured, three *more* IDW/A.A predictions will have failed utterly.

He, of course, won't wager on them, but oh, well.
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There's nothing "nice" about AA/IDW.
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Indeed. By the way, any particular critique of what I was *trying* to explain to IDW/A.A on the thread earlier? For the life of me, I don't know how I could have explained his apparent self-contradictions in more simplistic terms...
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So, at this particular point, in figuring out exactly what IDW/A.A is claiming I remain hopelessly mixed up.

Circular Reasoning -- see Reasoning, Circular

He is claiming that un-updated GOTOs can't track the Moon, because it is moving unpredictably.

But he is also claiming that the Moon is moving unpredictably, except the Mayans predicted it.

Then he has claimed that the Mayans predicted it, but only with eclipses.

He then adds eclipses are occurring as predicted, but only if the predictions are *recent.*

But then he also claims that old books' predictions of lunar and solar eclipses should be off, since the eclipses and lunar motions have recently become unpredictable.

Which brings us back to claiming that un-updated GOTOs can't track the Moon, because it is moving unpredictably.

Reasoning, circular -- see Circular Reasoning.

Instead of Schrodinger's Cat, we seem to have IDW's eclipse. It is both predictable and unpredictable!
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lmao
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Take the tomatoes back outside. My uncle just called. AA's back on his meds. He's going to make an announcement, soon.

Doom Off!

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There's nothing "nice" about AA/IDW.
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Indeed. By the way, any particular critique of what I was *trying* to explain to IDW/A.A on the thread earlier? For the life of me, I don't know how I could have explained his apparent self-contradictions in more simplistic terms...
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Looks right to me. I don't think IDW sees the contradictions though, I think he honestly believes he's "winning." I call it Sheen syndrome.
sheen
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I think he honestly believes his assumptions are correct as long as they fit his basic racist template of "mayan science" > "white science." I think he really believes all those assumptions are true, gold-plated facts even if they're self-contradictory, let alone contradicted by empirical evidence. To him, all those contradictions are just machinations of "evil white science," "shills," and "jews" and by a priori assumption must be wrong because "mayan science" > "white science." Even his 2012 are not his fault in his mind, it was all a conspiracy by "white science" to discredit him. In his mind the circular reasoning is ok because it's driven by that basic template, and as long as his beliefs fit that template they must be true, a priori.
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In the end this whole thing is fruitless. Both sides pushing and pulling but in the end this could go back and forth forever.
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Nah. As far as IDW/A.A's predictions go, it only goes to the next two solstices, and about a week in January. At that point, so long as the 'cleansing' hasn't occured, three *more* IDW/A.A predictions will have failed utterly.

He, of course, won't wager on them, but oh, well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


he'll simply make another date.. remember everyone thought that would be it after his Dec 21/2012 predictions failed... but here he is again!
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In the end this whole thing is fruitless. Both sides pushing and pulling but in the end this could go back and forth forever.
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Nah. As far as IDW/A.A's predictions go, it only goes to the next two solstices, and about a week in January. At that point, so long as the 'cleansing' hasn't occured, three *more* IDW/A.A predictions will have failed utterly.

He, of course, won't wager on them, but oh, well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


he'll simply make another date.. remember everyone thought that would be it after his Dec 21/2012 predictions failed... but here he is again!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34958115


No bet. I could certainly believe he'll just keep picking dates for the supposed forthcoming cleansing, but his list of failures will continue to grow...

And I'll just make sure to keep that List safely backed up.
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There's nothing "nice" about AA/IDW.
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Indeed. By the way, any particular critique of what I was *trying* to explain to IDW/A.A on the thread earlier? For the life of me, I don't know how I could have explained his apparent self-contradictions in more simplistic terms...
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Looks right to me. I don't think IDW sees the contradictions though, I think he honestly believes he's "winning." I call it Sheen syndrome.
:sheen:
:winningsheen:

I think he honestly believes his assumptions are correct as long as they fit his basic racist template of "mayan science" > "white science." I think he really believes all those assumptions are true, gold-plated facts even if they're self-contradictory, let alone contradicted by empirical evidence. To him, all those contradictions are just machinations of "evil white science," "shills," and "jews" and by a priori assumption must be wrong because "mayan science" > "white science." Even his 2012 are not his fault in his mind, it was all a conspiracy by "white science" to discredit him. In his mind the circular reasoning is ok because it's driven by that basic template, and as long as his beliefs fit that template they must be true, a priori.
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I am now cursed to forever think of IDW's GLP 'voice' as Charlie Sheen's now -- darn you, Astro!
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If civilization is to perish I'm sure it will be through some self imposed ecocide rather than any sort of "cleansing"
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In the end this whole thing is fruitless. Both sides pushing and pulling but in the end this could go back and forth forever.
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Nah. As far as IDW/A.A's predictions go, it only goes to the next two solstices, and about a week in January. At that point, so long as the 'cleansing' hasn't occured, three *more* IDW/A.A predictions will have failed utterly.

He, of course, won't wager on them, but oh, well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


he'll simply make another date.. remember everyone thought that would be it after his Dec 21/2012 predictions failed... but here he is again!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34958115


IMHO, he's scrambling to come up with a plausible excuse to prop up his failed theory. However, as a self declared unparalleled genious, I would've suspected there was a 'fall back' plan. Maybe he's not such superior intellect after all. Looks like Einstien still rules the roost on brainpower.

AA? L'chaim bitches!
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So, at this particular point, in figuring out exactly what IDW/A.A is claiming I remain hopelessly mixed up.

Circular Reasoning -- see Reasoning, Circular

He is claiming that un-updated GOTOs can't track the Moon, because it is moving unpredictably.

But he is also claiming that the Moon is moving unpredictably, except the Mayans predicted it.

Then he has claimed that the Mayans predicted it, but only with eclipses.

He then adds eclipses are occurring as predicted, but only if the predictions are *recent.*

But then he also claims that old books' predictions of lunar and solar eclipses should be off, since the eclipses and lunar motions have recently become unpredictable.

Which brings us back to claiming that un-updated GOTOs can't track the Moon, because it is moving unpredictably.

Reasoning, circular -- see Circular Reasoning.

Instead of Schrodinger's Cat, we seem to have IDW's eclipse. It is both predictable and unpredictable!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


You never did show those calculations made in the 70's predicting the eclipse in Australia recently. Because you can't. Why can't you? Why can't astroturd?

I have said it repeatedly and I cannot imagine given the way the Gregorian calender is so obviously grossly inaccurate with continuous adjustments that must be made that any intelligent person would attempt to disagree, but it is simply not possible to time an event 37 years in the future when a critical part of the input data cannot be relied upon to be accurate.
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. Looks like Einstien still rules the roost on brainpower.


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It's "Einstein" smart guy, and his theories have been disqualified by continuously observed empirical evidence and the fact that his formula fail to predict ANYTHING with accuracy.

His wife did all of his writing and the man was completely unintelligible. He was an idiot savant. Tesla said it best, he was used to promote fairy tales and hidden away from the public. On this thread there is unimpeachable evidence that proves GR and SR CANNOT be valid theories since basic assumptions of them have been falsified. Cosmic radiation int he form of particles is taught to students of physics as cosmic rays. Why 'rays'? because if you admit it is a particle with an atomic mass unit of 1 and a energy level in the trillions of electron volts, you are admitting mass in excess of light speed.

The point is information IS controlled, and people like you have your fingers in the dyke where the truth is leaking out. Sooner or later the dam is going to burst. If you're smelling BS, might wanna check your drawers.
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So, at this particular point, in figuring out exactly what IDW/A.A is claiming I remain hopelessly mixed up.

Circular Reasoning -- see Reasoning, Circular

He is claiming that un-updated GOTOs can't track the Moon, because it is moving unpredictably.

But he is also claiming that the Moon is moving unpredictably, except the Mayans predicted it.

Then he has claimed that the Mayans predicted it, but only with eclipses.

He then adds eclipses are occurring as predicted, but only if the predictions are *recent.*

But then he also claims that old books' predictions of lunar and solar eclipses should be off, since the eclipses and lunar motions have recently become unpredictable.

Which brings us back to claiming that un-updated GOTOs can't track the Moon, because it is moving unpredictably.

Reasoning, circular -- see Circular Reasoning.

Instead of Schrodinger's Cat, we seem to have IDW's eclipse. It is both predictable and unpredictable!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


You never did show those calculations made in the 70's predicting the eclipse in Australia recently. Because you can't. Why can't you? Why can't astroturd?
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist 1270944

I have already presented my own calculations regarding the moon's position. You still haven't properly addressed them. I'm STILL waiting for you to address them.

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If civilization is to perish I'm sure it will be through some self imposed ecocide rather than any sort of "cleansing"
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Don't bet on it though.

The cleansing will be selective and involves not just the death of physical incarnations of spirits in people and other life forms, but the dissolution of certain spirits into oblivion for eternity never to be intelligently arraigned again, spirits which have openly defied the creator claiming themselves as gods. Demons do exist, every Kabbalist posting here derives their power from them, but the cost is very great.
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You never did show those calculations made in the 70's predicting the eclipse in Australia recently. Because you can't. Why can't you? Why can't astroturd?
 Quoting: Dr. Astro
I have already presented my own calculations regarding the moon's position. You still haven't properly addressed them. I'm STILL waiting for you to address them.

 Quoting: Dr. Astro


You have shown no proof that these calculations are not copy pasted.

I offered you the opportunity to prove what you claim is possible, and you cannot because it is not. If it were you would have been eager to prove me worn and posted the information and proof.

Since it IS NOT, then astronomers must be using another method of predicting celestial events far into the future that they are no acknowledging because it is simply not good public relations to admit the ancient Mayans were far superior astronomical observers and were capable of doing what no modern scientist can 700 years ago. Face it, I proved my assertion, whether you acknowledge it or not is simply irrelevant.
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You never did show those calculations made in the 70's predicting the eclipse in Australia recently. Because you can't. Why can't you? Why can't astroturd?
 Quoting: Dr. Astro
I have already presented my own calculations regarding the moon's position. You still haven't properly addressed them. I'm STILL waiting for you to address them.

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You have shown no proof that these calculations are not copy pasted.
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Burden of proof is on you to show that they are. Furthermore, you just proved why no one should bother wasting their time doing any more calculations for you until you have properly addressed my calculations. You just proved you will ignore them and dismiss them as "lies" and "copy/pasted." I have shown my work, I have provided the excel sheet. You have not shown that I faked, stole, or performed incorrect calculations at all. I have proven that my calculations are correct, accurate, and work, both for modern empirical data and old. Anyone who does not believe me is free to check out the same book I used and see for themselves that I am telling the truth.
I offered you the opportunity to prove what you claim is possible, and you cannot because it is not.
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I already did:


The book referenced is freely available from a variety of libraries. If you do not believe I am being honest, then it is up to YOU to show that the book's calculations and tables differ from mine.
Since it IS NOT, then astronomers must be using another method of predicting celestial events far into the future
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See what I mean people? He's making a priori ASSumptions and he will not address my calculations posted above. He's doing exactly what I described earlier tonight.
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Ahhh. I can relax. Seems all's well on "Warning: SOLAR DATA PAGE COMPLETELY CENSORED, DATA ON OTHER SOURCES BEING FABRICATED!"
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Not quite, it seems the people you work for are more concerned with the remote possibility that they might get me to slip up and post something they can use but they are pissing in the wind.

I know the date and time that you seek, but you are not to know it. You can guess it is on a solstice and from what you have learned from me you think it likely that it must be, and that leaves you with two possibilities, but it's not on a solstice.

Have a nice day. and remember this, I NEVER lie
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You never did show those calculations made in the 70's predicting the eclipse in Australia recently. Because you can't. Why can't you? Why can't astroturd?
 Quoting: Dr. Astro
I have already presented my own calculations regarding the moon's position. You still haven't properly addressed them. I'm STILL waiting for you to address them.

 Quoting: Dr. Astro


You have shown no proof that these calculations are not copy pasted.
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist 1270944

Burden of proof is on you to show that they are. Furthermore, you just proved why no one should bother wasting their time doing any more calculations for you until you have properly addressed my calculations. You just proved you will ignore them and dismiss them as "lies" and "copy/pasted." I have shown my work, I have provided the excel sheet. You have not shown that I faked, stole, or performed incorrect calculations at all. I have proven that my calculations are correct, accurate, and work, both for modern empirical data and old. Anyone who does not believe me is free to check out the same book I used and see for themselves that I am telling the truth.
I offered you the opportunity to prove what you claim is possible, and you cannot because it is not.
 Quoting: IDW

I already did:


The book referenced is freely available from a variety of libraries. If you do not believe I am being honest, then it is up to YOU to show that the book's calculations and tables differ from mine.
Since it IS NOT, then astronomers must be using another method of predicting celestial events far into the future
 Quoting: IDW

See what I mean people? He's making a priori ASSumptions and he will not address my calculations posted above. He's doing exactly what I described earlier tonight.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

Here you go:
[link to www.worldcat.org]
Anyone who disbelieves me can verify my spreadsheet with the above book. It works, despite being published 22 years ago. Burden of proof is on anyone who wishes to accuse me of lying, I can't force you to read the book, so the burden of proof is on the person claiming that I'm lying.
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